Demetori - Gensou, Yume no Owari · forum

GoldenWolf

Joined May 2012

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GoldenWolf 2016-01-22T22:07:38+00:00

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on mercredi 11 mai 2016 at 10:30:31

Artist: Demetori
Title: Gensou, Yume no Owari
Source: 東方Project
Tags: Fantasy Dream's End 徳南 tokunan 九宝時 kyuuhouji 葉っぱ happa 花は幻想のままに hana wa gensou no mama ni touhou Kaeidzuka 花映塚 Phantasmagoria of Flower View c-clays cclays GROUND ZERO TOHO ROCK 2007 ZUN 上海アリス幻樂団 Team Shanghai Alice progressive instrumental Alheak
BPM: 120,3
Filesize: 12827kb
Play Time: 05:15
Difficulties Available:

Genjitsu no Hajimari (3,83 stars, 825 notes)

Download: Demetori - Gensou, Yume no Owari
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Last edited by GoldenWolf 2016-05-11T08:31:18+00:00, edited 11 times in total.

Nozhomi

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4,568 posts

Joined May 2013

Nozhomi 2016-02-04T16:24:23+00:00

M4M with baguette.

- General :

Not sure you want to keep Countdown and Letterbox~

- Genjitsu no Hajimari :

01:05:836 (2,3) - You should put them more in evidence, or people could be thinking it's 1/4 rhythm. Like you did for 01:10:036 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - is a good solution.
01:27:536 (4,5,6) - What do you think about doing a custom stack like this http://puu.sh/mVCy0/e4cc9d2dbc.jpg ? Would be more aesthetic and good for readability.
03:28:642 (6) - So you follow guitar here who finish on a 1/6 tic. Ok that's quite strange to have a 1/6 suddenly but why not. But then explain me why you don't map this one too 03:29:072 - ? You should if you map previous one or this make no sense.
03:41:798 (2,3) - I dunno but this might be quite hard for this diff imo. I would reduce spacing here and make flow more evident to avoid a frustrating break.
04:22:249 (1,2) - This overlap looks bad and out of nowhere if you look at the diff. It's easy to fix it and not even inconsistent with other parts http://puu.sh/mVDfF/80e010f113.jpg .
Dunno why but a spinner could be cool at the end :/

Stop mapping that good thx I can't mod this orz.
Mukyu~

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Alheak 2016-02-04T21:08:16+00:00

Nozhomi wrote:
M4M with baguette.

- Genjitsu no Hajimari :
01:05:836 (2,3) - You should put them more in evidence, or people could be thinking it's 1/4 rhythm. Like you did for 01:10:036 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - is a good solution. oui
03:28:642 (6) - So you follow guitar here who finish on a 1/6 tic. Ok that's quite strange to have a 1/6 suddenly but why not. But then explain me why you don't map this one too 03:29:072 - ? You should if you map previous one or this make no sense. mais y'a rien ici o.o j'avoue que la guitare est un peu en avance, mais elle est sensée jouer sur le downbeat
03:41:798 (2,3) - I dunno but this might be quite hard for this diff imo. I would reduce spacing here and make flow more evident to avoid a frustrating break. il n'y a pas vraiment de "difficulté cible" ici, on map ce qu'on entend et de façon agréable à jouer. C'est sûrement un peu dur à lire mais quand joué correctement ça a son effet
04:22:249 (1,2) - This overlap looks bad and out of nowhere if you look at the diff. It's easy to fix it and not even inconsistent with other parts http://puu.sh/mVDfF/80e010f113.jpg . oui changé

Stop mapping that good thx I can't mod this orz.
Mukyu~

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GoldenWolf

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Topic Starter

GoldenWolf 2016-02-04T22:58:32+00:00

To clarify a bit:

03:28:642 (6) - The bass land on 1/3 snapping, this is probably intended and as such is mapped accordingly. On the other hand, 03:29:093 - This guitar note is most likely just rushed, it's closer to 1/12 snapping but really should be on the downbeat, and as such was ignored.

03:41:798 (2,3) - Think of the kick slider as a circle; it plays exactly like every other spaced 1/4 in the map. It might cause some confusion for a sightread, but that slider is necessary for hitsounding purpose.

Natteke desu

2,487 posts

Joined August 2012

Natteke desu 2016-02-04T23:25:34+00:00

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dermit

12 posts

Joined May 2014

dermit 2016-03-22T13:21:40+00:00

Alright, my mod as requested by the leek

General:
OD: we talked about this, but I disagree with OD 8, It's 120bpm and AR 8.5. Rethink it, I'd tone it down to at least 7.5

00:35:528 (1) - The beat of the sliderend here is way stronger than the beginning
00:35:528 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - I disagree with this whole section. It doesn't play the way it sounds if you catch my meanings. Really strong beats end on ends of kicksliders like 00:37:250 (6) - I'd reconsider
00:37:495 (1,2,3) - Here you follow the guitar so shoving the stronger beat to the sliderend makes sense, but you abandon that right away in the next measure in 00:39:463 (1,2,3) - which makes this play very awkwardly to me and you kinda lose the justification for sliders in my eyes.
01:23:233 (2) - I can't hear anything that would justify a sliderbeginning here.
01:23:971 (5) - ^

The rest is really nice not much to say.
I'd really reconsider the low importance you seem to assign to the snare in the early portions of the map. Sure it is barely used at the beginning of a measure but it's by far the most prominent percussive in the song. Shoving it to sliderends makes the map play awkwardly in my opinion.

GoldenWolf

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GoldenWolf 2016-03-22T14:04:04+00:00

dermit wrote:
Alright, my mod as requested by the leek

General:
OD: we talked about this, but I disagree with OD 8, It's 120bpm and AR 8.5. Rethink it, I'd tone it down to at least 7.5 So after thinking this through, I decided to lower the OD down to 7.5. I'm not going further down than that, and you're not likely to see me using an OD that low anytime soon either. :c

00:35:528 (1) - The beat of the sliderend here is way stronger than the beginning I disagree. The slider starts on a bass beat + splash cymbal, all on a downbeat, which is way stronger than just a snare on a blue tick. Besides, the map alternates between 3/4 sliders and two 1/2 sliders here and there, whenever there's a bass on the first redtick.
01:23:233 (2) - I can't hear anything that would justify a sliderbeginning here. For 01:23:233 (2) - and 01:31:102 (2) - there is indeed no strong reasons for them to be here, they're mostly there to keep the flow going nice and smooth, rather than following the song 1:1. It's a deliberate choice I've made when mapping it, fully conscious of what it implies, its downs and upsides. If it's really detrimental to the map I can change it, but I'd like to keep that as is.
01:23:971 (5) - ^ To add to my previous point, notice how I used 3/4 sliders whenever a measure starts with a splash/crash cymbal, except for the very first one because of the guitar giving another rhythm, so it's at least consistent in that regard.

Thanks for your mod!

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Alheak 2016-03-22T14:12:54+00:00

dermit wrote:
Alright, my mod as requested by the leek

General:
OD: we talked about this, but I disagree with OD 8, It's 120bpm and AR 8.5. Rethink it, I'd tone it down to at least 7.5

00:35:528 (1) - The beat of the sliderend here is way stronger than the beginning I don't think so, the start has a kick+finish and is the beginning of the new part
00:35:528 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - I disagree with this whole section. It doesn't play the way it sounds if you catch my meanings. Really strong beats end on ends of kicksliders like 00:37:250 (6) - I'd reconsider partially agree, but we have to keep in mind that sometimes things play better and more naturally with sliders starting on certain beats even if they're not the most accentuated ones - also already talked about this but I tried your suggestion but it just doesn't feel right
00:37:495 (1,2,3) - Here you follow the guitar so shoving the stronger beat to the sliderend makes sense, but you abandon that right away in the next measure in 00:39:463 (1,2,3) - which makes this play very awkwardly to me and you kinda lose the justification for sliders in my eyes. those aren't exactly the same rhythmical patterns and accentuation, in the first part the guitar is more prominent but then we go back to the "classic" rhythm

The rest is really nice not much to say.
I'd really reconsider the low importance you seem to assign to the snare in the early portions of the map. Sure it is barely used at the beginning of a measure but it's by far the most prominent percussive in the song. Shoving it to sliderends makes the map play awkwardly in my opinion.

thanks again for your feedback, I did reconsider some things and made me see things from another perspective, even if they weren't changed in the end

Joshua Elvanus

Joshua Elvanus 2016-03-23T11:37:57+00:00

Nice Map
Hope This Get Ranked

Bearizm

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Joined October 2013

Bearizm 2016-03-24T01:50:26+00:00

d

maybe this hitsound may come in handy on some parts like 02:52:986 (1,2,3,4,5) - http://puu.sh/nRHLX.wav
01:02:577 (6) - should make this 2 circles so the second drum is clickable. u did it at 00:54:709 (5,6) - 00:58:643 (6,7) - so why not here.
01:15:610 (3) - remove the repeat in here because 01:16:102 - is quite strong sounding due to that umm.. guitar/bass/idk my instruments. make a triple at 01:16:102 -
01:26:184 (6) - I have no solution for this, but people might mistake this as 1/4 since the SV throughout the map is so low and makes it hard to distinguish different snappings. NC or something?
01:45:610 - break is unsnapped. I don't think there should even be a break here, it's way too short.
01:50:897 (1) - remove NC?
03:09:831 - now this calls for a break imo
03:28:642 (6,7) - what?
03:29:995 (3,4,5) - yo this is just too evil..
04:25:568 (4,5,6) - ^
sorry for a shitmod I don't really know how to mod hard-marathons as marathons has way much more freedom.

good luck.

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Alheak 2016-03-24T02:38:53+00:00

Bearizm wrote:
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01:02:577 (6) - should make this 2 circles so the second drum is clickable. u did it at 00:54:709 (5,6) - 00:58:643 (6,7) - so why not here. yes
01:45:610 - break is unsnapped. I don't think there should even be a break here, it's way too short. agreed, removed, tho gwolf will have the last word i guess
01:50:897 (1) - remove NC? uh yes
03:09:831 - now this calls for a break imo I guess so too
03:28:642 (6,7) - what? mhh changed from 1/6 to 1/8
03:29:995 (3,4,5) - yo this is just too evil.. l2alt skrub git gud
04:25:568 (4,5,6) - ^
sorry for a shitmod I don't really know how to mod hard-marathons as marathons has way much more freedom. this is an extra in the body of a hard, or for short a wonder of the rating system

good luck.

thanks bear

btw wolf delete .osb

Last edited by Alheak 2016-03-24T21:14:02+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Silverboxer

670 posts

Joined December 2012

Silverboxer 2016-03-24T20:58:28+00:00

from my modding queue

Genjitsu no Hajimari

00:33:807 (1,2,3) - this being 1/6 notes right after 00:32:577 (3,4,5) being 1/4 might be slightly confusing. they look almost identical but are different timing
00:49:791 (3) - this should be 1/6 slider repeating only once
00:57:536 (2) - blanket better with slider 1 (maybe x:484 y:108 or slightly adjust anchor points instead)
00:58:151 (4) - ctrl + h and then move
01:28:028 (6) - overlap is slightly weird because of the circle over the last slider. move to x:420 y:212 and then adjust next pattern
02:52:986 (1,2,3,4,5) - I'm not sure this is a good place for a stream. the notes are very quiet so maybe make it a kick slider. also there are notes before this pattern, starting at the next 1/6 tick after 02:52:495 (3)
04:48:806 (4) - nc
04:52:741 (4) - nc
05:00:659 (1) - this note extends longer than the slider. maybe stretch the slider until 05:01:276
05:01:399 (2) - extend this to next 1/4 tick and delete circle 3
05:03:868 bpm here seems slightly off. I can't find the exact one but 122 bpm on this timing point sounds a bit better to me

Really nice map. Most of it is perfect and I barely found anything wrong with it. Good luck with this

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Alheak 2016-03-24T21:13:49+00:00

Silverboxer wrote:
from my modding queue

Genjitsu no Hajimari

00:49:791 (3) - this should be 1/6 slider repeating only once indeed fixed
00:57:536 (2) - blanket better with slider 1 (maybe x:484 y:108 or slightly adjust anchor points instead) moved a bit but can't do much better since i don't want to place it too far as it is 1/4
00:58:151 (4) - ctrl + h and then move yes

Really nice map. Most of it is perfect and I barely found anything wrong with it. Good luck with this

Thanks! That was a nice mod

http://puu.sh/nSEga/24b784fabc.osu

-Keitaro

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Joined October 2013

-Keitaro 2016-03-25T00:20:59+00:00

From my modding queue~
You break the rules in my modding queue :p

01:18:315 (5) - Stack with the end of 01:16:840 (1) -
There is no spinner in this map, this make in ctb, most of the score are same, please add some spinner, on the end of the beatmap. Please read This or read standard ranking criteria
oh lol, perfect beatmap :3 GL to get approved~

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Alheak 2016-03-25T01:18:28+00:00

wait how, I'm sure i read everything right
welp

this is not my part so i won't be the one responding to the mod, but about the spinner issue, we thought about that, we'll look into it again

thank you for taking your time!

GoldenWolf

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Joined May 2012

Topic Starter

GoldenWolf 2016-03-25T03:02:00+00:00

Bearizm wrote:
d
maybe this hitsound may come in handy on some parts like 02:52:986 (1,2,3,4,5) - http://puu.sh/nRHLX.wav meh, sounds way too loud and not really fitting there
01:15:610 (3) - remove the repeat in here because 01:16:102 - is quite strong sounding due to that umm.. guitar/bass/idk my instruments. make a triple at 01:16:102 - There is a guitar note starting there with a closed hihat, but I want 01:16:225 (4) - something to start there because of the snare, which feels stronger.
01:26:184 (6) - I have no solution for this, but people might mistake this as 1/4 since the SV throughout the map is so low and makes it hard to distinguish different snappings. NC or something? It has the same length as other 1/6s sliders, and are quite clearly shorter than 1/4s sliders to me, so until other people point it out as detrimental, it's fine by me.
01:45:610 - break is unsnapped. I don't think there should even be a break here, it's way too short. I guess
03:09:831 - now this calls for a break imo Would be a nice break time if the silence was longer, but as is it's way too short (even shorter than the previous break that got removed) and would just be annoyingly confusing, not confusing like you'd miss, but confusing enough to make players cringe, so nope from me.
sorry for a shitmod I don't really know how to mod hard-marathons as marathons has way much more freedom.

good luck.

GoldenWolf

2,983 posts

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Topic Starter

GoldenWolf 2016-03-25T03:20:51+00:00

Silverboxer wrote:
from my modding queue

Genjitsu no Hajimari

00:33:807 (1,2,3) - this being 1/6 notes right after 00:32:577 (3,4,5) being 1/4 might be slightly confusing. they look almost identical but are different timing Yes indeed. If that pattern were to be further into the map, I'd most likely change it so to not be annoying to play and miss in the middle, but since it's 30 seconds into the map, and is not that hard to read (Likely to be misread on the 1st-2nd attempt, then afterward I expect the player to understand it's a 1/6) I'm going to try to keep it, unless it gets mentionned in futures mods, then I'll think of a way to make it easier to read. But as of now, I really like the way it plays, feels and goes with the upgoing snare roll.
01:28:028 (6) - overlap is slightly weird because of the circle over the last slider. move to x:420 y:212 and then adjust next pattern Ooo that's really nice because then by moving the next pattern, I can now add a circle to 01:29:504 (3) - this hihat sound! Nice one.
02:52:986 (1,2,3,4,5) - I'm not sure this is a good place for a stream. the notes are very quiet so maybe make it a kick slider. also there are notes before this pattern, starting at the next 1/6 tick after 02:52:495 (3) Huh. Wait what? I don't hear anything between 02:52:495 (3,1) - these two circles. Besides, the streams in this section do fit imo as the notes are not so quiet you can't hear them (it's actually not hard to hear them and even guess they're 1/6s), they're also there for hitsounding purposes.
04:48:806 (4) - nc k
04:52:741 (4) - nc k
05:00:659 (1) - this note extends longer than the slider. maybe stretch the slider until 05:01:276 Nope. It is indeed on 05:01:029 - .
05:01:399 (2) - extend this to next 1/4 tick and delete circle 3 Yeah no, it used to be that way, but it was just awkward to play, so I made it a triple instead.
05:03:868 bpm here seems slightly off. I can't find the exact one but 122 bpm on this timing point sounds a bit better to me It is indeed slightly off, but it's leaning toward 121.5 :p Nice catch though
Nice mod

Really nice map. Most of it is perfect and I barely found anything wrong with it. Good luck with this

GoldenWolf

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Topic Starter

GoldenWolf 2016-03-25T03:24:23+00:00

Rendyindo wrote:
01:18:315 (5) - Stack with the end of 01:16:840 (1) - What if it's manually stacked eh? :^)
There is no spinner in this map, this make in ctb, most of the score are same, please add some spinner, on the end of the beatmap. Please read This or read standard ranking criteria No spinner would properly fit in this map, anywhere I would put one, it would feel forced.

sahuang

2,293 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2016-03-25T05:58:15+00:00

From Alheak's STD queue
My english is poor, wish you can understand LOL

General
A pretty cool touhou map!!!!!

cs5 & ar8.3 is better?
Dunno if you can close letterbox or not
04:43:888 - i suggest kiai ends here which seems better with bgm

Text

01:02:454 (5,6,7) - The time duration between 6,7 is twice as 5,6. So why are 6 and 7 stacked and away from 5?
http://puu.sh/nT7UI/a851eb0505.jpg This is better.
01:30:118 (6,7) - Is this too far away?I think it's even better if you make 01:30:364 (7,1) - stack.
01:50:036 (2,3) - This place is really strange, you did not catch the beat.I don't hear a beat here 01:50:897 (3) - And
01:50:221 - is much louder than 01:50:405 -
01:52:003 (8) - NC?
03:39:708 (3,4,5) - 4 and 5 has quite a long time duration but you put them too close,not clear enough.
03:46:347 (7,8) - stack?
03:50:281 (4,5) - ^
wonder why you didn't stack in some '2's(by '2's i mean 2 circles in 1/4 distance) but did it here: 03:59:995 (5,6) - etc.?
04:20:036 (5,6,1) - Looks bad.
04:37:126 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - The distance of 4.5.6 makes people think it's '3's rather than single tap.
04:45:855 (1,2,3) - For here,i suggest that the distance of 2,3>1,2 since sound is higher
04:49:790 (1,2,3) - ^
04:53:724 (1,2,3) - ^

It feels good when I play！
Wish you can rank it soon

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Alheak 2016-03-25T12:29:36+00:00

sahuang wrote:
From Alheak's STD queue
My english is poor, wish you can understand LOL

General
A pretty cool touhou map!!!!!
cs5 & ar8.3 is better?
Dunno if you can close letterbox or not
04:43:888 - i suggest kiai ends here which seems better with bgm maybe yes, gwolf will have the last word i guess

Text

01:02:454 (5,6,7) - The time duration between 6,7 is twice as 5,6. So why are 6 and 7 stacked and away from 5? so the player has to make a pause on (7), it fits with the song. stopping the cursor to play (5,6) would not be appropriate
http://puu.sh/nT7UI/a851eb0505.jpg This is better.
01:50:036 (2,3) - This place is really strange, you did not catch the beat.I don't hear a beat here 01:50:897 (3) - And
01:50:221 - is much louder than 01:50:405 - I am following the bass here
01:52:003 (8) - NC? I prefer keeping my consistency of one NC every measure, and NCing for just 2 combos wouldn't be very useful
03:39:708 (3,4,5) - 4 and 5 has quite a long time duration but you put them too close,not clear enough. same stopping effect as ealier
04:20:036 (5,6,1) - Looks bad. i don't think so, what makes you say that? do you have a suggestion?
04:37:126 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - The distance of 4.5.6 makes people think it's '3's rather than single tap. they're all 1/4s, this is a stream

It feels good when I play！
Wish you can rank it soon

thank you! glad to hear it plays nicely

GoldenWolf

2,983 posts

Joined May 2012

Topic Starter

GoldenWolf 2016-03-25T14:50:58+00:00

sahuang wrote:
From Alheak's STD queue
My english is poor, wish you can understand LOL

General
A pretty cool touhou map!!!!!
cs5 & ar8.3 is better? Given that it's an Extra in the body of a low Insane/Hard, I think ar8.5 is the lowest I'd go.
Dunno if you can close letterbox or not O. Not sure why it's on, I probably forgot to untick it.
04:43:888 - i suggest kiai ends here which seems better with bgm Mhhh it should have ended there, not sure why it doesn't. Guess I overlooked that too, fixed.

Text

01:30:118 (6,7) - Is this too far away?I think it's even better if you make 01:30:364 (7,1) - stack. That would ruin the flow there
03:46:347 (7,8) - stack? Well, it is stacked?
03:50:281 (4,5) - ^
wonder why you didn't stack in some '2's(by '2's i mean 2 circles in 1/4 distance) but did it here: 03:59:995 (5,6) - etc.? Oh, I get what you mean now. Because I wanted to vary patterns a bit and not always use the same one over and over again. Also depends on the area and if I had enough room to work with a more spaced out pattern, I didn't have the room to do that properly where you linked.
04:45:855 (1,2,3) - For here,i suggest that the distance of 2,3>1,2 since sound is higher They are placed given their position on the screen, since now hitsounds are dependent on where they are on the screen. More on the left = Hitsound is going to be heard more on the left side, and same for the right side. The places the circles currently are, are just perfect to me based on how much I want the hitsounds to lean toward the left/right side.
04:49:790 (1,2,3) - ^
04:53:724 (1,2,3) - ^

It feels good when I play！
Wish you can rank it soon

Thanks for your mod!

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-03-25T17:29:15+00:00

Ahoy, from #modreqs :^D

Timing (if you want me to suggest exact offsets/BPM tell me, I'm just kinda lazy rn)

00:09:955 (6) - Head and final tail sound rather late even though the reverse is accurate, how about moving it by like -10ms to be more balanced? Pretty much the same for 00:15:856 (4) and 05:09:793 (4) but maybe keeping the offset but raising the BPM works for the last one too
00:11:922 (2) - Raising BPM for this one would be great bc reverse is a bit late and tail is pretty late
00:19:791 - What's this section for? I mean it moves offset +1 lol but actually pretty much everything seems a teeny tiny bit late anyways so imo deleting that one would be for the better
01:39:217 - I don't see how that section makes any sense rhythmically, uh, how about placing one at 01:38:479 with 7/4-signature?
05:00:643 - This seems late by like 15ms
05:04:608 - whereas this seems early by 15ms
05:11:772 - This is extremely late, having it on the red tick of the previous section sounds pretty accurate, so maybe do that and just lower the BPM by a very tiny bit?
05:13:716 - uh I think you accidentally raised the BPM here lol - The heads of both sound rather late anyways, might fix that as well
And it doesn't really have any gameplay-effect at all but putting at 120BPM-section at 05:15:683 -(or wherever that downbeat is now) seems accurate for the rest of the fade-out (gets even slower anyways but yeah)

Genjitsu no Hajimari

soft-hitwhistle4 and soft-hitwhistle5 seem to have a delay of 5ms, is that fixable?
unsnsapped green line at 02:06:119 lol
00:23:233 (1) - NC seems unnecessary, you didn't do that anywhere else
00:25:200 (4,1) - Spacing might be a bit misleading (at least it misled me lol), maybe make the radius a bit bigger so you can space it like 00:30:610 (3,4) -
Ok so the stacking seems a bit messy over the whole map, I don't know what system you guys have individually but you should talk it through together, here's some of the issues I found: Generally it seems like 1/2s are spaced bigger than 1/4s (which makes sense for readability), like 01:02:577 (6,7) - 04:09:954 (7,8) - 04:17:822 (4,5) - 04:40:937 (4,5) but then there's also many that are spaced like 1/4s again, like 03:46:347 (7,8) - 03:50:281 (4,5) - 03:54:216 (5,1) - I mean sometimes they are perfectly stacked like 03:14:134 (3,4) - 03:18:314 (4,5) and that's consistent with the slider-stacks in the intro-section being perfectly stacked but I dunno if it's consistent with other circle-on-slider-stacks, but also 03:54:216 (5,1) is not perfectly stacked again, etc.etc., it just seems a bit messy
I mean I don't really have an issue with it but since similar stuff was mentioned in the previous mod: From 00:35:528 until the break there are only three stacked triplets which seems a bit random, why not space them out too?
I'd also recommend spacing out (=spacing them like 1/4s I guess) 02:45:609 (1,2) - 02:57:413 (1,2) for better readability and it's also done at 03:05:527 (1,2) - (although that's not exactly 1/8 but w/e)
01:29:012 (2,3,4) - pls enable viewing Stacking in editor bc this is stupid lol
02:55:200 (4,1) - you didn't stack those anywhere else iirc, kinda weird to have no movement here and iirc it's also the only time that circles are perfectly stacked (being a great pain for HD-players lol) - although it happens again at 03:07:003 (3,1) so dunno
03:28:642 (6,7) - have 1/8s ever been spaced out? seems a bit misleading
03:33:437 (1,1) - Are those NCs really necessary? bc there are many really long combos in the map so I'd avoid NC-'spam' like here and there's no SV-change or anything either so I think it would be better without them (same at 04:36:388 (1,1) -)

Yeah I think that's it (I'm kinda exhausted rn lol), that's a really beautiful song & map, call me back

GoldenWolf

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Topic Starter

GoldenWolf 2016-03-25T19:32:02+00:00

Bonsai wrote:
Ahoy, from #modreqs :^D Ohai

Timing (if you want me to suggest exact offsets/BPM tell me, I'm just kinda lazy rn) I'm good thanks. Before I answer everything below; Yes I am very aware of the slight timing hiccups through the song, and have checked every one of them, I may have missed a few though but they should be so small they won't even matter. I did use redlines were it was really necessary, and for the smaller mistimings, brushed over them with louder hitsounds, because redlines would break the timing the player is trying to get, instead of helping. That said, the intro and outro still need a bit more work, especially since I'm on a shitty laptop that runs osu! at 40fps so I can't time as accurately as I usually do.
00:09:955 (6) - Head and final tail sound rather late even though the reverse is accurate, how about moving it by like -10ms to be more balanced? Pretty much the same for 00:15:856 (4) and 05:09:793 (4) but maybe keeping the offset but raising the BPM works for the last one too For all them except 00:15:856 (4) - I am fairly sure the slider head is on point. The only one that sounds a bit weird is 00:09:955 (6) - this one, since there are two acoustic guitars playing (and a quiet piano but I'm not paying attention to that), the one you hear first is on the left, and is not the one I'm mapping since it's quieter. Focusing on the right one; it does star just about where the slider starts, within 5 milliseconds. For 00:15:856 (4) - , as I said, I will move it slightly earlier since it is off.
00:11:922 (2) - Raising BPM for this one would be great bc reverse is a bit late and tail is pretty late Indeed, fixed.
00:19:791 - What's this section for? I mean it moves offset +1 lol but actually pretty much everything seems a teeny tiny bit late anyways so imo deleting that one would be for the better O yeah, it's a remnant of when I originally timed the song, and forgot to delete it woops
01:39:217 - I don't see how that section makes any sense rhythmically, uh, how about placing one at 01:38:479 with 7/4-signature? Don't listen to the guitars, the timing is based on the drums and bass, because that's what he mapped there. The guitars are on a 7/8 signature I believe. Poly-rhythms yay.
05:00:643 - This seems late by like 15ms 12 ms actually, I thought I fixed it, but didn't go with the last update.. oh well.
05:04:608 - whereas this seems early by 15ms Less than 10ms, but since it's the slider tail, there isn't much I can do, nor that it would change anything.

05:11:772 - This is extremely late, having it on the red tick of the previous section sounds pretty accurate, so maybe do that and just lower the BPM by a very tiny bit? Huh yeah it is, that's what happens when I time at 5am >_> Fixed.
05:13:716 - uh I think you accidentally raised the BPM here lol - The heads of both sound rather late anyways, might fix that as well
And it doesn't really have any gameplay-effect at all but putting at 120BPM-section at 05:15:683 -(or wherever that downbeat is now) seems accurate for the rest of the fade-out (gets even slower anyways but yeah) I accidentaly timed at 5am too. ;_;
Genjitsu no Hajimari
soft-hitwhistle4 and soft-hitwhistle5 seem to have a delay of 5ms, is that fixable? Damnit. Fixed.
unsnsapped green line at 02:06:119 lol Not anymore!
00:23:233 (1) - NC seems unnecessary, you didn't do that anywhere else Guess so
00:25:200 (4,1) - Spacing might be a bit misleading (at least it misled me lol), maybe make the radius a bit bigger so you can space it like 00:30:610 (3,4) - Mhhhh kay
Ok so the stacking seems a bit messy over the whole map, I don't know what system you guys have individually but you should talk it through together, here's some of the issues I found: Generally it seems like 1/2s are spaced bigger than 1/4s (which makes sense for readability), like 01:02:577 (6,7) - 04:09:954 (7,8) - 04:17:822 (4,5) - 04:40:937 (4,5) but then there's also many that are spaced like 1/4s again, like 03:46:347 (7,8) - 03:50:281 (4,5) - 03:54:216 (5,1) - I mean sometimes they are perfectly stacked like 03:14:134 (3,4) - 03:18:314 (4,5) and that's consistent with the slider-stacks in the intro-section being perfectly stacked but I dunno if it's consistent with other circle-on-slider-stacks, but also 03:54:216 (5,1) is not perfectly stacked again, etc.etc., it just seems a bit messy So the "wrong" ones were on my end, and thus changed them. The perfectly stacked one were intended as they are so no change for them.
I mean I don't really have an issue with it but since similar stuff was mentioned in the previous mod: From 00:35:528 until the break there are only three stacked triplets which seems a bit random, why not space them out too? When he starts by a triple, it is either stacked, either it's a 1/4 slider. The choice between the two depends on the feel of the flow.
I'd also recommend spacing out (=spacing them like 1/4s I guess) 02:45:609 (1,2) - 02:57:413 (1,2) for better readability and it's also done at 03:05:527 (1,2) - (although that's not exactly 1/8 but w/e) I didn't like the idea of spacing them out because it's a slow and calm section, albeit with a tricky rhythm. The reason why the last one is not stacked is because it looked weird when the slider leads to a repeat slider, and it looks better (imo) when the repeat slider that leads to the 1/1 slider is perfectly stacked over its head.
01:29:012 (2,3,4) - pls enable viewing Stacking in editor bc this is stupid lol Yeee another side-effect of mapping at 5am ;-;
02:55:200 (4,1) - you didn't stack those anywhere else iirc, kinda weird to have no movement here and iirc it's also the only time that circles are perfectly stacked (being a great pain for HD-players lol) - although it happens again at 03:07:003 (3,1) so dunno It also happens at 02:52:495 (3,1) - , so it's actually a bit more common than you noticed, but wether or not I stack there depends on where it is on the playfield, and where I want the hitsound to lean toward to. In the mentionned cases, it happened to be on the same side of the screen, so I stacked them.

Thanks for your mod! I'm calling you back bby

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Alheak 2016-03-25T19:45:30+00:00

Bonsai wrote:
Ahoy, from #modreqs :^D

Genjitsu no Hajimari
03:28:642 (6,7) - have 1/8s ever been spaced out? seems a bit misleading fixed
03:33:437 (1,1) - Are those NCs really necessary? bc there are many really long combos in the map so I'd avoid NC-'spam' like here and there's no SV-change or anything either so I think it would be better without them (same at 04:36:388 (1,1) -) I'm not sure you could call them "necessary", but they give a really nice effect in my opinion, especially since the notes seem so distinct, like 04:36:019 (1,1,1) - a bit later in the song, for a more obvious example
Yeah I think that's it (I'm kinda exhausted rn lol), that's a really beautiful song & map, call me back

Hope I explained my point well, thanks for giving this much of your time

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-03-25T21:09:59+00:00

Ranking no Hajimari

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Alheak 2016-03-25T21:13:54+00:00

bubble

Bearizm

1,213 posts

Joined October 2013

Bearizm 2016-03-26T05:54:10+00:00

hoyl

Mint

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Joined February 2013

Mint 2016-04-26T21:34:29+00:00

Hey! Requested by Alheak. ~~27 days ago lol~~

General

* Unused hitsounds:

soft-hitclap7.wav

soft-hitclap8.wav

soft-hitclap9.wav

soft-hitfinish9.wav

soft-hitnormal9.wav

soft-sliderslide9.wav

Genjitsu no Hajimari

* 01:12:904 (1,2) - Found the rhythm choice here a bit strange? The 3/4 doesn't really fit in my eyes, as there's quite a noticeable sound on the red tick which is completely skipped now. (2) doesn't seem that strong to actually be clickable with this 3/4 either...
* The blue & red tick from (2) are so much stronger than the head as well <_<
* 01:26:183 (6,7) - Even though the player can profit from slider leniencty, still not sure if most people can catch this 1/6 gap. Move closer?
* 02:46:839 (1) - 1/8?
* 02:57:413 (1) - Hmm.. I doubt whether this is 1/6. Would use 1/8, seems closer to the original.
* 03:05:527 (1) - No repeat before this? Up to you guys.
* 03:18:314 (4,5) - Eh, 5 is so strong, the stack takes away much of the emphasis tbh ._.
* 03:22:249 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - While the player defenitely has to rely on reading skills in this whole map, having both different snaps stacked right after each other seems too tricky to me. Would have a NC for readability or varying DS here to make it a bit more clear.
* 03:54:708 (1) - So strong, but stacked... such a pity in my eyes ._.
* 04:11:429 (2,3,4,5) - These sound noticeably off, may need an extra section. May be ignored for keeping playability, but it's quite noticeable even at 100%.

Feel free to call me back!

EDIT: do you also have any metadata proof or something xd?

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Alheak 2016-04-26T23:43:09+00:00

appleeaterx wrote:
Hey! Requested by Alheak. ~~27 days ago lol~~ heya ~~well at least you finally came~~

Genjitsu no Hajimari

* 03:18:314 (4,5) - Eh, 5 is so strong, the stack takes away much of the emphasis tbh ._. the pause is stronger imo, plus the slider makes the cursor move again exactly for the accentuation, so I believe this is appropriate
* 03:22:249 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - While the player defenitely has to rely on reading skills in this whole map, having both different snaps stacked right after each other seems too tricky to me. Would have a NC for readability or varying DS here to make it a bit more clear. agreed, changed

Feel free to call me back!

EDIT: do you also have any metadata proof or something xd? http://www.c-clays.com/03_pro/gz/gz.html, hope this is enough

Rest is GW's, thanks for showing up and the mod lol

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