-Kamikaze- wrote:

part 2
[Lude's Another]

00:05:933 - Why is everything in this quieter section at least doubles? The song's intensity is lower here - as it is a bridge between more intense sections - so you really should not continue the density from before if not higher. I'd suggest either lowering ALL chords by one note or just the doubles. Deleted one of each high-hat sounds (e.g 00:06:040 - 00:06:255 - 00:06:469 - )

00:09:362 - And same here - even higher diffs use lower density here - although with one/two long LNs - but also with less straining patterning (Alter Ego uses some more LNs in this specific section but still)

00:16:219 (16219|3,16219|0,16380|1,16380|4) - I don't get why the first LNs stop with second set incoming, the sound they're mapped to does not stop, there's just a new layer, and also that layer is not significant enough to put double LNs here in 3rd highest diff of the set imo
I suggest just making something like this: Deleted them; makes sense and don't wanna cause any troubles on HS


00:16:862 (16862|4,16862|1,17023|0,17023|3) - Same deal here except this time none of the other difficulties recognize any sound here so I'm not exactly sure if this is correct. Same suggestion applies anyway

00:19:862 - 00:29:076 - Now here's the general issue I have with this difficulty: You are overemphasizing the calmest parts of the song compared to the rest of difficulties and rest of the set.
I see no reason why you would arbitraly use double LNs for every single sound in this section. This is the calm part - again - a bridge between sections and you are layering it almost as if it was a critical part.
You can argue that Zen's diff does that but it just has 3 LNs for the background that are used as anchors and each sound is represented with a single LN/note.
Alter Ego uses double LNs, but at the same time looking at the difficulty and density curve it's still eons less dense.
Of course you can argue that it's not hard at all and I agree - but you are still overemphasizing those sounds for what they're worth in the song. There's not enough contrast in my opinion. So I would suggest really to make this section (and others I'll point out below) as single LNs because it's just how it should be.
There are some nicely executed spots tho like 00:25:648 (25648|2,25862|4,26076|5,26290|1) - fits pretty well, if you don't want to make it all single LNs then you can try to fiddle with stuff like this. Makes sense, re-arranged ALL of them, including next patterns as well.

Another exapmles of the same issue:
00:55:648 - 00:59:719 -
01:02:505 (62505|1,62505|0,62719|4,62719|6,62790|3,62790|5,62862|2,62862|4,62933|1,62933|3,63148|2,63148|0) - This 1/3 LN doublestair in a calm intersection is honestly just unpleasant to play

00:38:183 (38183|5,38290|4,38398|5) - Man those 27ms LNs are an edge case, but they should be fine. However why is there no double on 00:38:076 - connected to that pattern? 00:48:362 - Does it correctly lel arranged correctly

01:33:362 (93362|3,93362|2,93362|4) - Those LN releases are for nothing and make no sense, maybe just use two LNs and end them in the same spot instead of overcomplicating it? Deleted one LN on the middle, 3-5 remains the same, including the end spot, id like to emphasize on one sound being continuous and one being cut. Not sure if you'll get me here but I'd leave them

01:34:648 (94648|4,94648|2) - What are those LNs for? Deleted and rearranged the small LNs

01:38:505 (98505|0,98505|2,98612|1,98719|6,98719|4,98826|5) - Is this intentionally made to be the most uncomfortable one handed pattern possible? For a section so short I would really ask to remove 01:38:505 (98505|2,98719|4) - those I don't even know what I was thinking, since this was mapped long time ago ;w; fixed

looked through the rest of the diffs and they should be okay - I'll check everything one more time when you apply the mod tho, poke me

-Kamikaze- wrote:

part 2

[jakads' Extra]
me me big boy fucc yea boi

nice meme

00:04:648 - I feel like this should be 3 notes and 00:04:862 - 4 notes due to the clap sound that can be nicely emphasized here, next 4-chords land on those too (00:05:290 - 00:05:719 - )
so the way I mapped this part is quite ok_hand
1 note every 1/2 snap (hi-hat)
2 note every 1/1 snap (drum)
1 note for melody
makes sense eh



00:08:076 (8076|0,8076|5,8076|1,8076|4,8290|4,8290|0,8290|3) - same thing ^

00:42:576 (42576|4,42576|6,42576|5,42683|5,42683|6,42683|4,42790|6,42790|5,42790|4) - I don't think this 3 note chordjack is warranted by anything tbh, at least not 3 note chords, maybe tone them down to doubles? there are three drums here so they totally deserve 3 notes
but I guess what you meant is "I hate them being placed exactly the same" kinda thingy so I moved 00:42:790 (42790|5) - to 3
which makes the pattern after that prettier
me likey


00:48:362 - I think you could make minijacks here tho for this scratch-like sound - for example:

good idea sir
I made 12 12 67 67 jack and Ctrl+H the later part


01:01:219 (61219|3) - WHY IS THIS LN NOT SNAPPED TO THE METRONOME BUT 1/4 APART FROM THE START OF THE NEXT ONE HNGGNHGNHGNHNGHNGNHGNHGNHNGHNGHNGNHGNH lol ! I love enraging you
well if you listen in 25% or smth, the synth actually ends there, but I guess I triggered your OCD
moved to 01:01:540 - just like Alter Ego diff
cuz this is actually copy of the hardest diff !!
(it's not)


looks kinda like watered down, friendlier version of alter ego in the ending which is pretty okay tbh, I'm fine with this
Interesting how you say this diff is ＦＲＩＥＮＤＬＹ




looked through the rest of the diffs and they should be okay - I'll check everything one more time when you apply the mod tho, poke me

-Kamikaze- wrote:

fun fact jin plays league of legends so I can automatically assume that all of his statements hold no value

jk all good with me, let's get this rolling

Qualified!

Evening wrote:

lol what year is it

01:22:433 (82433|4,82433|3,82433|2,82648|3,82862|2,82862|4) - lol what i don't remember this being a fake sv on my diff

Jinjin wrote:

Evening wrote:

lol what year is it

01:22:433 (82433|4,82433|3,82433|2,82648|3,82862|2,82862|4) - lol what i don't remember this being a fake sv on my diff

It didn't use to be, but there was a snap error as pointed out by nivrad and we decided to redo this section slightly.
Went with the SV suggestion from niv

Soul Evans wrote:

While i do understand you want it to be in the qualified section, however, just saying that ''players can handle it it's fine no need to change'' isn't suppose to be
the case here, other than that as i said it should be having the same SV effect as the others, you say you haven't had players have any problems but i noticed it
without the editor and evening doesn't like it either,

and i am really against this set going for rank with any sort of regrets, no way i am letting this one tiny thing
slide for that matter, even though you see it as ''players can handle it'' this is one of the rarest kinds of maps in the ranked sections which is why i am complete against this.

Also, why is zen's diff called ''zen's insane'' instead of ''evenings insane''? tags show evening which would show all his maps and all but it would be misinforming to players who don't know evenings old name to generally assume that ''zen mapped this'' so i am gonna suggest it to an accurate change, do tell me how you think it shouldn't be the case, your map is gonna hit big within the ranked section and i can already see it achieving top 3 on 2017 maps so the people who don't know who zen is, i think a change to the accurate current naming of him is what is necessary. it's okay to do both, but it's better to stay accurate always to who exactly did the difficulty.

jakads wrote:

the entire map is full of fake SVs what're u talking about xdd

imo, I don't think it'll matter that much if there's fake sv there, since the entire map is full of them anyway and the intention was to make players memorize them
If it were in, say, my extra diff, it would be a problem for having it all of a sudden
But because it's in the map by Evening the infamous SV gimmick creator lol jk ily, it fits the theme so it should be fine

But if you think it needs some fixing, feel free to req DQ


but please don't I wanna eat pp asap
c'mon it's only like what, 3 days left
doPPelgangbanger plzzzzz

Raveille wrote:

For the "Zen" part, it is just what he was known before and should stay that way to keep some consistency when people are trying to search for his work on GDs (when he did Empress etc.)

Soul Evans wrote:

Raveille wrote:

For the "Zen" part, it is just what he was known before and should stay that way to keep some consistency when people are trying to search for his work on GDs (when he did Empress etc.)

What consistency? there are legit players who thing there is a different ''zen'' than evening, and it's not consistent if you look at it from the point of that it's not his name anymore, and zen's emrpess diff was when he wasn't called evening back then iirc, diff names should be accurate not in this sense if this map is gonna get recognized then give full credibility for the guest mapper, because imo, people get confused.

ByeForNow wrote:

Hey there,
Firstly, I wanna congratulate you on getting the map qualified!
However, I wanna point out something that caught my attention in 'Zen's Insane' difficulty.

Taking 01:15:576 - 01:16:219 - as a section,
1. 01:15:576 (75576|0,75576|4,75683|5,75683|1) - Why are these notes placed as LNs yet not 01:15:790 (75790|2,75790|6,76005|1,76005|5) - ?
2. 01:15:576 (75576|4,75576|0,75683|1,75683|5) - Why doesn't these notes have the pause-like SVs like 01:15:790 - and 01:16:005 -?
I highly suggest to replace those notes with normal notes for and put in the pause-like SVs for consistency.
Also, after all the intense SVs from section 01:08:505 - 01:15:362 - , 01:15:576 (75576|4,75576|0,75683|1,75683|5) - feels too a little too sudden/out of place to just have a simple 1.00x. Hence in my opinion, it's better to apply the similar pause-like SVs to those notes.

Thanks for your attention, I hope you can carefully consider this.

Another Lie wrote:

Entrust to Jinjin for more PP rain maps.
Congrats for 2nd time destructing PP system after Maniera.