[ Yui ] wrote:

He can still join if a team is willing to take him.

Yeah, lucky me I found a team to join looking forward to this!

what are the current rank restrictions for players to still be able to compete?

The current rank restriction is you cannot bring anyone under 40k in and if you drop below 30k then you will be asked to leave the tournament.

[ Yui ] wrote:

Si1entKiTTeh wrote:

I hope this mappool is only for the round of 16... Please... I got fucked...

Well I hope it was gentle at least

My hands are dead now thanks bb.

[ Yui ] wrote:

The current rank restriction is you cannot bring anyone under 40k in and if you drop below 30k then you will be asked to leave the tournament.

so the people who are already in the tournament which are under 40k are allowed to stay then?

Tohka Yatogami wrote:

[ Yui ] wrote:

The current rank restriction is you cannot bring anyone under 40k in and if you drop below 30k then you will be asked to leave the tournament.

so the people who are already in the tournament which are under 40k are allowed to stay then?

Yes, but if you go below 30k then you are pretty much kicked. (example xNate or Nate9000)

Why are the No-Mod pool so difficult? This is way beyond 40k. Aren't tournaments supposed to be fun? Cause I can tell you right now that I've had 0 fun trying to practice these maps. There's no sense of accomplishment in me slugging it out with another team holding 20x combo before dropping every 5 seconds (IMO). I don't feel it represents any meaningful purpose. Sure it's fine if they're only hard to the lower rank limit but when they're so hard that even the average/top runners struggle, I don't feel it's going to be any fun to anyone. For example, it's like making someone at #5000 play Defenders, sure they can pass it, but it's not any fun when you're struggling to hold even a small combo.

Ripperino my hands.

Ascended wrote:

Why are the No-Mod pool so difficult? This is way beyond 40k. Aren't tournaments supposed to be fun? Cause I can tell you right now that I've had 0 fun trying to practice these maps. There's no sense of accomplishment in me slugging it out with another team holding 20x combo before dropping every 5 seconds (IMO). I don't feel it represents any meaningful purpose. Sure it's fine if they're only hard to the lower rank limit but when they're so hard that even the average/top runners struggle, I don't feel it's going to be any fun to anyone. For example, it's like making someone at #5000 play Defenders, sure they can pass it, but it's not any fun when you're struggling to hold even a small combo.

imho the map pool is supposed to be harder compared to the last map pool because it's knockout stages now, which it is, but saying that the songs are WAY above 40k is a bit over exaggerated

Ascended wrote:

Why are the No-Mod pool so difficult? This is way beyond 40k. Aren't tournaments supposed to be fun? Cause I can tell you right now that I've had 0 fun trying to practice these maps. There's no sense of accomplishment in me slugging it out with another team holding 20x combo before dropping every 5 seconds (IMO). I don't feel it represents any meaningful purpose. Sure it's fine if they're only hard to the lower rank limit but when they're so hard that even the average/top runners struggle, I don't feel it's going to be any fun to anyone. For example, it's like making someone at #5000 play Defenders, sure they can pass it, but it's not any fun when you're struggling to hold even a small combo.

I didn't think the map pool was overall difficult. I made the map pool, so that is would challenge people at our rank to play them, but still possible to do. I added some old maps because I thought it would be a good idea to challenge your reading skills on maps. Staying with the norm of everything being AR 9 is not a good idea to progress as a player. Learning to read lower ARs helps out not only reading, but also rhythm placement because it doesn't feel as natural, so you have to go with the beat. My intention was not to make the tournament no fun, but to make it a learning experience as well as a place to compete against others with the fun and enjoyment of oh I could do better here, here, and here as that is what I am weak at and then work on it. People wanted stream maps, so I gave them 3 of the better sub 5 star stream maps out there. People wanted harder maps, so I added Big Money, AR8 hidden and Scatman as a different source than what they are used to to learn from. I made like a 2 page document explaining each map and why I choose them in this pool. I didn't just go in and just say FU to everyone by just picking random maps to troll. I put though into this thing, and for the average rank it is a pretty solid pool. Is it harder than the last pool yeah it is. Is it more finger killing of fluffy people... I guess so, but it is possible. Making combos isn't how I look at the game. Yeah it is cool to FC a map and get that pp, but you only get better by experiencing different things in different environments. Sorry you aren't having fun learning the map pool, but sometimes you just have to hate things to get better at something you do.

TLDR:
I made the map pool to help you progress and not make you feel like you aren't having fun. These maps are something I put time in and I hope everyone does well in the tournament. (TBH Scatman was a full on troll against the 30ks XD)

I Tried
[ Yui ]

I played majority of the mappool since i was 50k already and i think its already alright.

P.S. wtf yui scatman seriously?

Ascended wrote:

Why are the No-Mod pool so difficult? This is way beyond 40k. Aren't tournaments supposed to be fun? Cause I can tell you right now that I've had 0 fun trying to practice these maps. There's no sense of accomplishment in me slugging it out with another team holding 20x combo before dropping every 5 seconds (IMO). I don't feel it represents any meaningful purpose. Sure it's fine if they're only hard to the lower rank limit but when they're so hard that even the average/top runners struggle, I don't feel it's going to be any fun to anyone. For example, it's like making someone at #5000 play Defenders, sure they can pass it, but it's not any fun when you're struggling to hold even a small combo.

There are high BPM and stream maps wich is not the usuall types of maps you'd find so maybe you are just not used to it. For me personally this types of maps are the one that i enjoy the most, even if i don't do well on them.

[ Yui ] wrote:

Ascended wrote:

Why are the No-Mod pool so difficult? This is way beyond 40k. Aren't tournaments supposed to be fun? Cause I can tell you right now that I've had 0 fun trying to practice these maps. There's no sense of accomplishment in me slugging it out with another team holding 20x combo before dropping every 5 seconds (IMO). I don't feel it represents any meaningful purpose. Sure it's fine if they're only hard to the lower rank limit but when they're so hard that even the average/top runners struggle, I don't feel it's going to be any fun to anyone. For example, it's like making someone at #5000 play Defenders, sure they can pass it, but it's not any fun when you're struggling to hold even a small combo.

I didn't think the map pool was overall difficult. I made the map pool, so that is would challenge people at our rank to play them, but still possible to do. I added some old maps because I thought it would be a good idea to challenge your reading skills on maps. Staying with the norm of everything being AR 9 is not a good idea to progress as a player. Learning to read lower ARs helps out not only reading, but also rhythm placement because it doesn't feel as natural, so you have to go with the beat. My intention was not to make the tournament no fun, but to make it a learning experience as well as a place to compete against others with the fun and enjoyment of oh I could do better here, here, and here as that is what I am weak at and then work on it. People wanted stream maps, so I gave them 3 of the better sub 5 star stream maps out there. People wanted harder maps, so I added Big Money, AR8 hidden and Scatman as a different source than what they are used to to learn from. I made like a 2 page document explaining each map and why I choose them in this pool. I didn't just go in and just say FU to everyone by just picking random maps to troll. I put though into this thing, and for the average rank it is a pretty solid pool. Is it harder than the last pool yeah it is. Is it more finger killing of fluffy people... I guess so, but it is possible. Making combos isn't how I look at the game. Yeah it is cool to FC a map and get that pp, but you only get better by experiencing different things in different environments. Sorry you aren't having fun learning the map pool, but sometimes you just have to hate things to get better at something you do.

TLDR:
I made the map pool to help you progress and not make you feel like you aren't having fun. These maps are something I put time in and I hope everyone does well in the tournament. (TBH Scatman was a full on troll against the 30ks XD)

I Tried
[ Yui ]

I'm really grateful that you want to help us improve for the future, but I'm still relatively apprehensive towards these maps because in essence, my intention joining this tournament was to have fun and improvement wasn't a focus when I first signed up. Sure, sticking to AR9 or the general osu! meta is bad for the future but isn't the game supposed to be fun for its players? I don't wish to play AR8 or below or 'troll' maps like Scatman ever in my time in this game. Call me a PP farmer but this is what draws me into the game. I don't like being forced to play what I don't want to play and I enjoy being in my comfort zone.

Basically, I really hate the fact I'm forced to play out-of-meta maps when my whole reason of joining tournaments were to have fun and I honestly don't care that I can't play maps from 2011 etc... because that's not what drawn me into the game. Although I'm grateful for your intentions, playing I enjoy is always my core belief.

Ascended wrote:

Basically, I really hate the fact I'm forced to play out-of-meta maps when my whole reason of joining tournaments were to have fun and I honestly don't care that I can't play maps from 2011 etc... because that's not what drawn me into the game.

You aren't the only one who is playing. This is their tournament, their picks. You don't like them? Ban them. And I hope you did not think that everyone's going to pick those ''out-of-meta'' songs you mentioned.

PiiiPiii wrote:

Ascended wrote:

Basically, I really hate the fact I'm forced to play out-of-meta maps when my whole reason of joining tournaments were to have fun and I honestly don't care that I can't play maps from 2011 etc... because that's not what drawn me into the game.

You aren't the only one who is playing. This is their tournament, their picks. You don't like them? Ban them. And I hope you did not think that everyone's going to pick those ''out-of-meta'' songs you mentioned.

No need to be so rude when we're debating calmly. I also think you're mistaking the relationship between the producer and the consumer. Sure it's their tournament, but their tournament is played by their players. In essence, we are the ones who decide what maps are played or nobody would like to play in this tournament anyway. Also, I don't want variables in what we're playing. Sure, not everybody is going to play the out-of-meta songs but considering you're saying 'everybody', that means there's still a chance that people will play those songs. As I said beforehand, I don't want to play those songs regardless if I only have to play them once or twice and It's obviously impossible to ban away all of those songs due to quantity and I also need to ban away what my team doesn't like to maximize our chances of winning. Finally, while I'm completely fine with answering these replies, please read through what you write because it was very obvious in what was wrong in your 'suggestions'. I'd rather not waste time writing pointless replies for the sake of both of us.

I don't even know why we are discussing this.

Electoz wrote:

I don't even know why we are discussing this.

Tbh, I don't know either, I was done with it until that guy came to dig it in.

Ascended wrote:

No need to be so rude when we're debating calmly. I also think you're mistaking the relationship between the producer and the consumer. ...I'd rather not waste time writing pointless replies for the sake of both of us.

Ascended wrote:

Tbh, I don't know either, I was done with it until that guy came to dig it in.

ooops, didn't know you define ''rude'' that way. Byee

The times are up for tomorrow. If you have any conflicts please tell me and I will try to compensate.

Make sure to check the google doc to see if your time has changed because it most likely has and will probably change constantly depending on responses.

Is there going to be a mappool show case today? inb4 NF mappool...

Also, everyone has their own preferences in maps, however even Yui told us, he put in some troll maps. I'm not going to complain since I really don't give a single shit. But, Yui, please don't ever put troll maps in for tournaments, or you'll stir up a lot of hate.

Yes there is a map pool showcase once I am done with my homework and get in contact with the streamer. I may stream one person though if I can't get in contact with the streamer.

About to stream the finals map pool. I am creating a lobby for you to join just pm me and I will let you in. I will be the only one you see though.

The map pool is up. I do not have links for them yet, but the rules and maps are there for you to search. I will have the links up by the end of tonight for you to download.

If I'm reading it correctly, and referencing the challonge bracket, winners round 3 and losers round 2 will be played on saturday and winners semifinals and losers round 3 on sunday?

WhakMyWontons wrote:

If I'm reading it correctly, and referencing the challonge bracket, winners round 3 and losers round 2 will be played on saturday and winners semifinals and losers round 3 on sunday?

I will have the schedule up soon so you can see what I have planned.

The times are up and available to look at. Pm me with questions if you have them. Also I giving those who missed their times a second chance if they where in the losers bracket or notified me ahead of time. Try to make it to the times that are set as this will make everything easier.

is it 3 game sets for grand finals or just 1 set BO13?

Tohka Yatogami wrote:

is it 3 game sets for grand finals or just 1 set BO13?

1 set of BO13

There has been a change to the map pool hope you guys enjoy it (You may want to click the links)

i dont see the link/ any changes to the mappool? can you post the link here? thx

Tohka Yatogami wrote:

i dont see the link/ any changes to the mappool? can you post the link here? thx

*cough* click on any of the maps from the current pool *cough*

[ Yui ] wrote:

Tohka Yatogami wrote:

i dont see the link/ any changes to the mappool? can you post the link here? thx

*cough* click on any of the maps from the current pool *cough*

they all link to 1 same song dafuq?

Me need training

I'm sorry yui. But how many fucking times do I have to tell you that we can't do anything under 10:30 am mt. Pretty tilted from yesterday sorry. You gotta understand that some members can't fucking wake up at 6am. Please do understand. Best finals match btw. I honestly don't understand why you couldn't reschedule the game. Make it more enjoyable instead of me joining in 0-5 half asleep, hungry as shit, and no warmup. Also, Player enjoyment is number one priority in tournaments like these where there isn't a prize, a semi-serious tournament, NOT Streaming is number one priority, what type of logic is that? You've missed like 7 matches that you said you would stream, but it's whatever. If you say that streaming is number one priority, what's the point if streaming a shitty ass sweep? I honestly don't understand the logic you went through. I'm quite dissapointed atm.

Times are up for next week if you have any conflicts please let me know and I will adjust the times to the best of my abilities.

[ Yui ] wrote:

Times are up for next week if you have any conflicts please let me know and I will adjust the times to the best of my abilities.

11:30am MST Please. Like Usual.

9 am MST for team sliderbreak 1st match thank you

Tohka Yatogami wrote:

9 am MST for team sliderbreak 1st match thank you

just when i was happy about a 2am start xD

Make sure you guys are not on cutting edge this weekend because of the recent slider changes that are on it currently. It may interfere with the actual score, so go to any of the stable versions just in case.