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bakadere
25 posts
Joined November 2015
Topic Starter
bakadere
So as of lately my rank has jumped quite a bit. 150k is still far from what I like to consider "good" however.I can do insane songs fairly easily and FC if I try. I can even HR FC the occasional Insane song I can complete Insane songs, occasionally with HR.I feel like its time to move a step up because its become too easy for the most part, but Extra is so far beyond me I'm not sure what to do. Most Another songs just end up being like Insane or ever so slightly harder. My accuracy is pretty good shit at 93% and jump maps are my strong suit, my finger speed is not. I can do small bursts of 200 BMP but can't accurately stream more than 140. Take (UNDEAD CORPORATION) Yoru Naku Usagi wa Yume o Miru and Everything Will Freeze both on Lunatic for example. I feel as if it should be a challenge, but still do-able. Yet I cant do them. My keyboard is rubber-dome and trash so I can't help but feel it holds me back a bit. Likely getting an RGB STRAFE MX Blue, hopefully it helps. Other than that, what would you guys suggest to improve finger speed? My left hand is always super slow at everything and no amount of stream practice I've been doing seems to help.
For all you guys and girls out there who managed to make the jump progress between Insane to Extra, how did you do it?

TL;DR
I made myself look like an idiot with this post yet received extremely good advice anyway. This is why I love this game and the community, thanks! (No sarcasm intended)
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Mahogany
2,684 posts
Joined August 2014
Mahogany
At 150k you should probably be playing 3* maps, not 5*
trebby
489 posts
Joined August 2014
trebby
Stick with your hard diffs and 3 star insanes. Even if you could HRFC an "insane song", it won't help you improve speed. Play some higher bpm maps.
But anyways, you're still too inexperienced to play an actual Extra diff. They're about 5.5+ stars, and (sorry to say, but) you're not even close to that skill level. In short, just play more.
bakadere
25 posts
Joined November 2015
Topic Starter
bakadere

Mahogany wrote:

At 150k you should probably be playing 3* maps, not 5*
How so? To HR FC a 4.5* songs may take me a few tries but I've done it before. 4.7-5* seems to be where I cap out right now and I can't figure out how to progress from here as "playing more" doesn't look like its going to work.
-Makishima S-
2,434 posts
Joined August 2013
-Makishima S-
Hi there,

First of all, i checked your user profile, top ranks, hits, play count and honestly what i need to say - you are ready to play 4* maps. General rule how to progress: Play whatever you can FC and actualy do this with higest possible acc. But let's go on your post:

I can do insane songs fairly easily and FC if I try. I can even HR FC the occasional Insane song.
You don't have a single FC like that in your ranks.
Insane maps gives normaly 100pp+ each and your top ranks ends at 58.

I feel like its time to move a step up because its become too easy for the most part, but Extra is so far beyond me I'm not sure what to do. Most Another songs just end up being like Insane or ever so slightly harder.
Please don't, playing too hard maps develop bad habits which are hard to remove later on and make you unable to truly enjoy this game by making very high scores.
You are not ready for this maps.

My accuracy is pretty good at 93%
Sorry my friend but:
pretty good = 97%
good = 98%

93% is garbage what you should immidiatly fix and work. This acc just indicate you can try to improve on this map but you should never keep it like that.

Overall:

Finger speed comes while playing more, a lot more. You have 654k hits, that's nothing, that's actualy very newbie amount and shows that you barely play this game.
Play more maps on your level like 3 - 3,5*. You don't even need to rush 4* maps yet. I started playing 4* while having ~1500pp and 97% global acc. By this time i was progressing slowly on star rating and it went good for me, while moving to 4* i didn't felt any pressure or considered this maps "impossible".

Don't go too fast my friend, it will only slow your progress a lot if you rush like that.

@edit:

How so? To HR FC a 4.5* songs may take me a few tries but I've done it before.
No you didn't, your top ranks doesn't have any plays like that.
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Mahogany
2,684 posts
Joined August 2014
Mahogany

-[Akira]- wrote:

Mahogany wrote:

At 150k you should probably be playing 3* maps, not 5*
How so? To HR FC a 4.5* songs may take me a few tries but I've done it before.
If you were FCing 4.5* songs properly you wouldn't be 150k
bakadere
25 posts
Joined November 2015
Topic Starter
bakadere

CuboidBeats wrote:

Stick with your hard diffs and 3 star insanes. Even if you could HRFC an "insane song", it won't help you improve speed. Play some higher bpm maps.
But anyways, you're still too inexperienced to play an actual Extra diff. They're about 5.5+ stars, and (sorry to say, but) you're not even close to that skill level. In short, just play more.
I know I'm far from being able to do them, but I don't gain rank off HR FC Hard songs (I suck at hidden unless its a high bpm song) and even FCing an Insane in 1-2 tries doesn't give me much.
-Makishima S-
2,434 posts
Joined August 2013
-Makishima S-
You probably doesn't get what means FC:

Get full combo which means - 0 x miss, 0 x sliderbreak
FC isn't just passing a map.
You call something FC when you passed map (or played it if it's high acc above this 97% acc) without single miss and sliderbreak.
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Saphirshroom
627 posts
Joined May 2013
Saphirshroom

-[Akira]- wrote:

My accuracy is pretty good at 93%
That's absolutely atrocious.

-[Akira]- wrote:

My keyboard is rubber-dome and trash so I can't help but feel it holds me back a bit.
No.

-[Akira]- wrote:

For all you guys and girls out there who managed to make the jump between Insane to Extra, how did you do it?
You're expecting too much. I'm far from that jump and played this game 10 times more than you.

Stop lying to yourself and play maps you can FC with 99% accuracy.
bakadere
25 posts
Joined November 2015
Topic Starter
bakadere

[Taiga] wrote:

You probably doesn't get what means FC:

Get full combo which means - 0 x miss, 0 x sliderbreak
FC isn't just passing a map.
Thank you for the advice in your previous post btw, But I do know FC mean 0 miss and no combo break.
Suhun
129 posts
Joined August 2013
Suhun
I'm 33k and I can barely pass 5* maps lol, let alone fc them.
-Makishima S-
2,434 posts
Joined August 2013
-Makishima S-

NotSuhun wrote:

I'm 33k and I can barely pass 5* maps lol, let alone fc them.
I'm 28k and i barely touch 5*, not mention i cannot play anything with HR. 4,4-4,8* is my range where i still get a lot of pp.
bakadere
25 posts
Joined November 2015
Topic Starter
bakadere
I forgot to mention one key thing actually, my standards are stupidly high. Most other games I play I destroy at (CSGO, was GE before I stopped, BF4 etc...) and I expect the same thing to happen. Anyway, presuming I get my acc up to 98-99% and can FC any insane song. I don't feel at that point even the jump to anything harder would be possible at all.
Endie-
784 posts
Joined March 2015
Endie-
just play more
-Makishima S-
2,434 posts
Joined August 2013
-Makishima S-
Anyway, presuming I get my acc up to 98-99% and can FC any insane song. I don't feel at that point even the jump to anything harder would be possible at all.
Osu is not mindless FPS. This game require a lot of work, A LOOOT, tons of practice, nerves and especialy - patience.
Don't expect to play 4* maps @ 98-99% acc within first few months. Osu require babysteps to be good at.
More - if you screw up your progression by developing bad habits, it will go even harder and longer.
That's why everyone tell you to play easier stuff what you can properly acc and FC.
Good pp = very high acc and FC.
No pp = 93% acc and barely FC or no FC
Saphirshroom
627 posts
Joined May 2013
Saphirshroom

-[Akira]- wrote:

Anyway, presuming I get my acc up to 98-99% and can FC any insane song. I don't feel at that point even the jump to anything harder would be possible at all.
That's because there are no jumps in this game. Improvement is slow, continuous and non-linear. The difficulty names are arbitrarily defined and don't represent the skill needed to play them in any way.

And it's obvious you don't feel that you can make the "jump" to anything harder because you're not even at the level you think you're at yet. You haven't FC'ed a single song >4*.
Suhun
129 posts
Joined August 2013
Suhun

[Taiga] wrote:

Anyway, presuming I get my acc up to 98-99% and can FC any insane song. I don't feel at that point even the jump to anything harder would be possible at all.
Osu is not mindless FPS. This game require a lot of work, A LOOOT, tons of practice, nerves and especialy - patience.
Don't expect to play 4* maps @ 98-99% acc within first few months. Osu require babysteps to be good at.
More - if you screw up your progression by developing bad habits, it will go even harder and longer.
That's why everyone tell you to play easier stuff what you can properly acc and FC.
Good pp = very high acc and FC.
No pp = 93% acc and barely FC or no FC
This, I played my first few months not focusing on acc, and right now I reached a wall where I have to fix my acc :<.
bakadere
25 posts
Joined November 2015
Topic Starter
bakadere
I understand now :P Once again I'm trying to rush to be good at osu. Im apparently not the god I like to think of myself as. When I said I could FC a 4.5* I was WAY off. Thought it was 4.5 stars when in fact it was 3.5* lol Last time I was stuck in Hard songs. Thanks for the advice guys!
Saphirshroom
627 posts
Joined May 2013
Saphirshroom

NotSuhun wrote:

This, I played my first few months not focusing on acc, and right now I reached a wall where I have to fix my acc :<.
You merely adopted the wall. I was born in it, moulded by it.
-Ene-_old_1
-Ene-_old_1

-[Akira]- wrote:

I understand now :P Once again I'm trying to rush to be good at osu. Im apparently not the god I like to think of myself as. When I said I could FC a 4.5* I was WAY off. Thought it was 4.5 stars when in fact it was 3.5* lol Last time I was stuck in Hard songs. Thanks for the advice guys!
I'm playing 4.3-4.7* maps with HR atmo. Short/TV size ones (because you know, easy farming :) ) You get roughly 150-200pp for 97-99% acc fc...so....long way off 8-)
DeathHydra
651 posts
Joined November 2015
DeathHydra
No need to rush to be good in any games. Even though you are getting quite good in a short time, you will be nothing compared to those who have played for a long time. Just take it slowly and enjoy the game.
chainpullz
2,334 posts
Joined June 2013
chainpullz

-[Akira]- wrote:

CuboidBeats wrote:

Stick with your hard diffs and 3 star insanes. Even if you could HRFC an "insane song", it won't help you improve speed. Play some higher bpm maps.
But anyways, you're still too inexperienced to play an actual Extra diff. They're about 5.5+ stars, and (sorry to say, but) you're not even close to that skill level. In short, just play more.
I know I'm far from being able to do them, but I don't gain rank off HR FC Hard songs (I suck at hidden unless its a high bpm song) and even FCing an Insane in 1-2 tries doesn't give me much.
HR fc'ing a (post increase) 4.99* 4 minute map can give upwards of 300pp. That's more than triple your top rank. The reason why you don't get shit for pp from your HR FC's is that your acc sucks. This indicates some combination of lack of reading skills and/or lack of finger control. If you cant even do low 4* maps with high accuracy then you would benefit a lot from playing hards (possibly with HR). Despite their lower accuracy requirement they stress single tapping and triples over everything else. Single tapping and triples are the most relevant skill for maps in the 4-4.5* range and are the bread and butter of rhythm. You don't need to be able to OD10 acc singles/triples but you better be able to do them in the OD8-9 range if you expect to be able to do more complex rhythms.

Just based on your accuracy I can tell you are not ready for anything above 4.5*. I won't give you a specific accuracy to shoot for before moving up because there is no clear line, but I'll emphasize that if there was a line, you are currently way below it.
Endaris
5,282 posts
Joined June 2010
Endaris
I'm challenging you to stream 124bpm accurately, here you go:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/87580

inb4 you can't.
bakadere
25 posts
Joined November 2015
Topic Starter
bakadere

Endaris wrote:

I'm challenging you to stream 124bpm accurately, here you go:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/87580

inb4 you can't.
I appreciate your effort to be a dick, thanks. 90% accuracy on that. As I already stated, I can't stream for my life and part of my post was asking how to get better. Not for someone like you to come along. Though with such a post where I made myself look stupid for most of it, it's expected.
Vuelo Eluko
5,484 posts
Joined October 2013
Vuelo Eluko

Endaris wrote:

I'm challenging you to stream 124bpm accurately, here you go:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/87580

inb4 you can't.
Personal Best (#2831 achieved 12 months ago)
Score 5,979,335 (82.18%)
Max Combo 548
300 / 100 / 50 453 / 80 / 51

ahh back when b1rd linked this to me to see if i could dt fc for the pp

i couldn't
Yolshka
669 posts
Joined April 2014
Yolshka

-[Akira]- wrote:

90% accuracy on that.
Canon difficulty? Then that's pretty good isn't that?
Endaris
5,282 posts
Joined June 2010
Endaris

-[Akira]- wrote:

Endaris wrote:

I'm challenging you to stream 124bpm accurately, here you go:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/87580

inb4 you can't.
I appreciate your effort to be a dick, thanks. 90% accuracy on that. As I already stated, I can't stream for my life and part of my post was asking how to get better. Not for someone like you to come along. Though with such a post where I made myself look stupid for most of it, it's expected.
can't accurately stream more than 140.
It's below 140 so no problem?
Good self-evaluation playing more is the first step to get better. You assumed A LOT of things in your opening post that are simply not true.
A lot of people don't listen when you tell them that their assumptions are wrong so it's easier to let them see for themselves by giving them a map that is specific for a skill the person claims to possess.

90% are actually not horrible (better than I expected) but not good either.

I also kinda started typing the post when the thread was still fresh so I guess it was stupid on my behalf to post it 2h later when people overran you with answers already so my apologies for looking like a douche.

I also wrote some kind of guide for new players to build some fundamentals in case you're interested: t/342548
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dung eater
2,395 posts
Joined December 2013
dung eater
find maps that are hard to you because of tapping/reading/patterns, practice those. ignore stars, trust yourself and learn what you are bad and get better at it

don't just stick to the maps that you find easy and are as high star as possible, unless you want to focus on aim/speed. learning finger control before learning speed is also really good.

a thing to note about hr, while good for aim and acc (if you already 99/100% it without hr), it makes reading much easier (less notes on screen, less things for brains to process).
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bakadere
25 posts
Joined November 2015
Topic Starter
bakadere
can't accurately stream more than 140.
It's below 140 so no problem?
Good self-evaluation playing more is the first step to get better. You assumed A LOT of things in your opening post that are simply not true.
A lot of people don't listen when you tell them that their assumptions are wrong so it's easier to let them see for themselves by giving them a map that is specific for a skill the person claims to possess.

90% are actually not horrible (better than I expected) but not good either.

I also kinda started typing the post when the thread was still fresh so I guess it was stupid on my behalf to post it 2h later when people overran you with answers already.[/quote]

I love all the answers I got, sorry if I just came off a bit of a dick myself there. Just the way you said "inb4 you cant" is like you were purposefully trying to be a dick. Whether you were or not, yeah I understand what you're saying. I made a lot of false comments in my original post, unintentionally. Goes along with my whole "I like to think I'm god of everything" attitude.
KanoSet
906 posts
Joined October 2014
KanoSet
play more to git gud and enjoy game pls
N0thingSpecial
2,355 posts
Joined November 2015
N0thingSpecial
you're not stuck, you're not even there how can you get stuck lol?
Vuelo Eluko
5,484 posts
Joined October 2013
Vuelo Eluko
im still stuck at around 4.5 stars tbh in terms of what i can consistently fc
you are amazing for 700 pp
must be elo hell, bads keeping your rank down
shortpotato
312 posts
Joined December 2011
shortpotato
wat is going on with these wackamole players!!!??!
Saphirshroom
627 posts
Joined May 2013
Saphirshroom

shortpotato wrote:

wat is going on with these wackamole players!!!??!
New players focus on aim because they see Cookiezi doing sick stuffz and aim is where shortterm pp gain is at.
-Makishima S-
2,434 posts
Joined August 2013
-Makishima S-
#BlameCookiezi
[ Kakuja ]
[ Kakuja ]
lol wtf, all these ''rush2insane'' players.

It's better to learn the game properly, it might be slow but worth it in the end.
Accuracy is the key to PP (with combo near FC or FC), low acc with FC isn't worth it in the end.
Accuracy is also the key to get good.

Play something around 4 star instead :P
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