Shiirn wrote:

I am not offended by any of them

Shiirn wrote:

There are always Mazzerin maps, after all. One of his just got an icon with a fraction of the effort I've put out into reaching out.

Kynan wrote:

Please don't rank this as it is, it's been made with that ONE diff at first, why would it end on a mapset WITHOUT that original diff ?!

1. 00:59:978 (1,2) - This transition isn't good because players will want to cut corners on the sliders instead of playing it through unlike all the other sliders. With patterns like this you want players to play through the whole slider and a bit more to get that emphasis going.
2. 01:06:645 (1,2,3,4,5) - Same can apply to the stuff here, where you kind of want to break the directional flow of the slider inorder to have a better time playing the next slider. Stuff like : 01:00:395 (2,3,4) - play really well though, because players can go through the entire motion of the slider without experiencing a flowbreak onto the next slider's path. This really draws out the emphasis you get from the slider-motions, Try and reflect this kind of motion if you can. Stuff like: 00:56:645 (1,2,3,4,5) - Is also really nice for the same reasons .
3. 01:30:186 (2) - I wish you could Ctrl+G this instead cuz it would flow a lot better coming out of slider 1. But you'd have to do some pattern changes (i think its worth it).

1. 00:08:727 (2,3,4) - I would just keep the spacing the same. There are too few circles here for that decelerating stream thing to make sense here. It just looks out of place rather than a design element unless you have like 4-5+ circles imo.
2. 00:27:895 (1,1,1,1) - Im actually surprised you didnt do anything over the top here lol.
3. 00:33:520 (1,2) - While there are two beats here, the one on 00:33:624 (2) - is really feint in comparison. I think this pattern is better two two sets of beat pairings, rather than 3. Try making this a slider instead.
4. 00:35:256 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I really recommend making these all NC's because it gets rid of the follow points in between circles and it forces players to be more aware of their rhythm. (I would apply this to other diffs that are Insane+ too)
5. 00:52:686 (1,2,3) - Fix the spacing here?
6. 01:29:978 (6,7) - This sounds more 1/3 to me... What do you think? ;o.

1. 00:08:311 (1,2) - This is fine but like
   
   You could try angling it a bit both for more readability and cuz its pretty cool imo xD

   
2. 00:12:895 (1,2) - No jump here? Good place for emphasis.
3. 01:44:978 (1) - This slider doesn't look like it's snapped properly. Actually a lot of the sliders in this section are snapped to 1/12 and 1/16's... check your snapping with Extra.

1. 01:16:228 (5) - Can we not do 2x repeat sliders please? :C Just do two sliders instead and remove both repeats.

1. 01:09:978 (1,1) - This isn't enough recovery time for a spinner because you've mapped this difficulty using 1/1 rhythm on 140 bpm.
   Also, thats a really large break :C.

Monstrata wrote:

[Comfort]

1. 00:59:978 (1,2) - This transition isn't good because players will want to cut corners on the sliders instead of playing it through unlike all the other sliders. With patterns like this you want players to play through the whole slider and a bit more to get that emphasis going. The transitions for these are fine due to the extremely large sliderball area we have for our cursor to be in. They're all very close together and there is plenty of leeway in every direction for players to have their cursor between these notes.
2. 01:06:645 (1,2,3,4,5) - Same can apply to the stuff here, where you kind of want to break the directional flow of the slider inorder to have a better time playing the next slider. Stuff like : 01:00:395 (2,3,4) - play really well though, because players can go through the entire motion of the slider without experiencing a flowbreak onto the next slider's path. This really draws out the emphasis you get from the slider-motions, Try and reflect this kind of motion if you can. Stuff like: 00:56:645 (1,2,3,4,5) - Is also really nice for the same reasons . I had already re-done this pattern and I think i can take a bit of liberty on the "bounce" direction here since it's the fourth and final iteration of the same pattern they've been doing.
3. 01:30:186 (2) - I wish you could Ctrl+G this instead cuz it would flow a lot better coming out of slider 1. But you'd have to do some pattern changes (i think its worth it). Hnnnghhh, true, but i like how the slider curves INTO 4 as well. idk what to do exactly

[Extra]

1. 00:08:727 (2,3,4) - I would just keep the spacing the same. There are too few circles here for that decelerating stream thing to make sense here. It just looks out of place rather than a design element unless you have like 4-5+ circles imo. UHHH THIS WAS ACTUALLY A STACKING ERROR DON'T TELL ANYONE
2. 00:27:895 (1,1,1,1) - Im actually surprised you didnt do anything over the top here lol. I can totally make them 1/8 sliders if you like babe
3. 00:33:520 (1,2) - While there are two beats here, the one on 00:33:624 (2) - is really feint in comparison. I think this pattern is better two two sets of beat pairings, rather than 3. Try making this a slider instead. Changed the first pair into a slider. Fits gud.
4. 00:35:256 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I really recommend making these all NC's because it gets rid of the follow points in between circles and it forces players to be more aware of their rhythm. (I would apply this to other diffs that are Insane+ too) I'm torn with these because the follow points let it be actually readable in a "psuedo-random" pattern which the music is kind of doing, but at the same time they're actually quite the same time apart from eachother. I'll new combo them.
5. 00:52:686 (1,2,3) - Fix the spacing here? How in the f-----
6. 01:29:978 (6,7) - This sounds more 1/3 to me... What do you think? ;o Discussed on irc, tl;dr: the vocals are pretty much impossible to map directly as they occur because it uses a weird combination of 1/8 and 1/6, so diffs that map them just map "over" the voice.

[Ongaku]

1. 00:08:311 (1,2) - This is fine but like
   
   You could try angling it a bit both for more readability and cuz its pretty cool imo xD

   
2. 00:12:895 (1,2) - No jump here? Good place for emphasis.
3. 01:44:978 (1) - This slider doesn't look like it's snapped properly. Actually a lot of the sliders in this section are snapped to 1/12 and 1/16's... check your snapping with Extra.
4. All done.

[Collab Hard]

1. 01:16:228 (5) - Can we not do 2x repeat sliders please? :C Just do two sliders instead and remove both repeats. Ahahaha, yeah uhh done

K2Shape wrote:

One good map with a Irony inside :
The hardest difficulty is started as 'Comfort' when it isn't comforting to play that insane difficulty at all XD.

Garven wrote:

Extra:
01:14:353 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Why? Doesn't fit the overall map flow at all and seems like just a high point of stress for a fairly flowing musical thought which is repeated for the entire song.

Kynan wrote:

Garven wrote:

Extra:
01:14:353 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Why? Doesn't fit the overall map flow at all and seems like just a high point of stress for a fairly flowing musical thought which is repeated for the entire song.

How does it not fit ? It's the most enjoable part of the map IMO D:

Garven wrote:

What is it representing in the song compared to the rest of the map that calls for such a drastic departure from the established flow?

Len wrote:

nice map

Gero wrote:

Also 01:14:353 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - How about adding NCs here for a better readability? as you did on Extra otherwise trying to do something different instead.

Garven wrote:

Extra:
01:14:353 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Why? Doesn't fit the overall map flow at all and seems like just a high point of stress for a fairly flowing musical thought which is repeated for the entire song.

Timorisu wrote:

And you complain about AXION being overmapped? lol.

Natsu wrote:

This really need a diff between Extra and Comfort, you can argue about rhythm being similar, but the jump in skill range its really huge, as I said before in my mod.. Even if you close thinking its imposible its fairly easy to make a diff between them and improve the spread. Even if just memes about the Ultra thing this set feels like that, Take in mind im not talking about the numbers at the star ranting, but about both diffs (Not only my opinion, you know I asked some people for this as well).

Shiirn wrote:

but this kind of "crazy mapping" is something most self-respecting mappers stopped doing early on as it is a newbie fantasy.

Silynn wrote:

I like this map, but I don't Comfort is ready for ranking in its current state. There's a lot of things that don't flow well and need to be polished. Lots of the placements look random and could be cleaned up quite a bit, and there's also many places in the map where you lose track of the melody and start placing objects on weird beats. I don't know if that is intentional, but if it is I feel that it detracts from the map.

Here's a few examples (I don't want to do a full mod right now, but if you want me to go over the map in more detail with you, let me know in-game)

00:27:686 (1,2,3,4) - I don't know if it's just me, but this is very awkward to play, especially when 2keying. I would make the spacing in this pattern simpler, or change the rhythm all together I've never seen this considered awkward to play. It's basically juast an 8-note 144 stream followed by alternating brief holds. If anything, this pattern is way easier to alternate than it is for singletappers since the later end of it basically forces alternation.

00:31:332 (6,7) - the 6 should be 1/2 and the 7 1/1 to follow the melody better. The current rhythm is awkward for the player to follow and detracts from the structure of the map These two notes are following the bass as it fades in and out. The rhythm is fine. The structure is perfectly fine.

00:32:374 (3,4) - the 3 should be a slider here as well. I know you're following beats that are technically in the music, but if you're going to map mostly to the melody - keep it consistent. It gives the player a better feel of the music and makes things less awkward. I either recommend making the 3 a 1/2 slider and the 4 a note, or just ditching 4 completely and making 3 a 1/1 slider I feel like you don't know what you're trying to say here. This entire section is following the bass with a secondary focus on the instruments below it. This is what most maps do...

00:33:311 (3) - this doesn't really make much sense musically. the long note starts on the 2 before it, so either make that a 1/1 slider or follow a different rhythm like this:
http://puu.sh/n7TIg.png

Okay, so many things are wrong about that particular note of yours. 00:33:415 - this is a tiny ass wub right here, but you want me to have a click on it? When the current rhythm is quite adeptly following the really weird bass patterning the music is? I dunno, man. I really want to be objective and rational with this here and not sound like a hater but none of this is actually making any sense to me.

anyways just a few things to point out that the map definitely isn't ready. I think it needs a lot more work on it. Message me in-game if you want more opinions.

Mazziv wrote:

@shiirn mind explaining me a few things? (extra diff)
00:16:436 (2,3) - i literally vomit everytime when i see this,why dont you just simply stack? Blame the people that cry "hard to read" when it's stacked. Normally I stack them.
00:36:228 (1) - i dont even know what to say bout this slider. it just hurts in my eyes. you should use a simple curved slider not this lmao Weird noise, weird slider. It's not like it's all that ugly, it just has a weird bend. What's your problem?

Mazziv wrote:

@shiirn mind explaining me a few things? (extra diff)
00:16:436 (2,3) - i literally vomit everytime when i see this,why dont you just simply stack? Blame the people that cry "hard to read" when it's stacked. Normally I stack them. mind showing me those people saying its hard to read? as now it just looks horrible imo



00:36:228 (1) - i dont even know what to say bout this slider. it just hurts in my eyes. you should use a simple curved slider not this lmao Weird noise, weird slider. It's not like it's all that ugly, it just has a weird bend. What's your problem?

RikiH_ wrote:

Guys, don't even try to give suggestions, he just rejects everything thinking he's the best. This map is really low-quality, as I already addressed in my previous mod

Kynan wrote:

WTF is up with you ? Do you think you're any better with you linear stream maps ? It's not because you can't play the map that it's bad, and if you want a extra diff because you think the spread isn't good (when it is), then you're free to make a GD with repetitive jumps for 6.xx stars I guess ?