Lami wrote:
02:12:012 - 힛사 x
05:10:280 (1) - 키아이 폭죽효과 넣어보실?
05:16:511 (4,3) - 스택이 잘 안대어잇내요
다 고침
[C u r i] wrote:
00:17:666 (3) - 스무스한 원 어떰 예시로 든 사진이 바꾸기 전이랑 뭐가 다른지 모르겠어서 냅둠00:26:897 (2,1) - 00:36:590 (1,1) - 똑같은 1/1에 똑같은 리듬인데 전자는 안스택이고 후자는 스택을 한 이유는? 보컬의 텐션이 다르다고
생각했기 때문
00:57:358 (1,5) - 이 겹침이 죠큼 보기 안좋네오 ㅎ; 플레이해보면 그렇게까지 신경 쓰이는 정도는 아닌 것 같아요
05:58:050 (3,3) - 스택 예
06:12:588 (4) - hp bar 에 좀 많이 가까운거 같은데 안전하게 ㄲ? 쪼매 낮춰봤음
M4M ㄱ? 응 ㄱ~ https://osu.ppy.sh/s/434016
모딩 감사합니다Reya wrote:
Hello.
00:08:436 (2) - i'don't know why you desrtoying smoothie flow, ctrl+g making flow more intuitive.
00:12:128 (4) - same omg... nice suggestions
01:07:397 (4) - i think this circle playing a bit wierd. Considering with flow you never used the same stuck in this parts of song. You can unstack and replace this circle upward. Thats would play slightly and more intuitively without a stop circle and big jump. ok fixed
01:33:589 (2,3) - too big for me, compare with 3/4 you used before - i understand why microjumps here 01:22:051 (4,1) - for example. New part in music supports spacing. you are right! fixed
+ comparing with the same moment in music 01:29:897 (2,3) - one spacing. 01:35:204 (1,2) - same spacing, but why here 01:33:589 (2,3) - a really big? You can fix this if do a blanket like https://makina.s-ul.eu/xkexGUvY.jpg
01:39:358 (3,4,5,6,1) - can you make curve of this stream part more deep? It can help understand abrupt transition of this stream current of the streams are fine since the new combo may help you to notice it.
02:56:897 (3,4,5,6,1) - ^ ^
01:54:820 - you can copy your sliderclap and hitsound this tick. Sounds a bit off for me without clap imo.
01:56:897 - ^
03:12:358 - ^
03:14:204 - ^ all done
02:12:012 - why clap here? You didn't put clap in the same moment previously. that's my mistake
02:22:166 (4) - the same problem i said upper. Anti-jumps destoying your flow. fixed
02:51:127 (2,3) - no reason to do a big 3/4 jump here. I said that previously. fixed
02:54:012 (2,3) - this anti-flow playing a bit wierd for me, but no problem here. Do w/e you want. humm i re-worked this around part
03:02:377 - forgot to silence blue tick? yee
wow, pretty clean map. hope ranked soon!
Thank you for coming! When I get Dailycare's part and finished the SB working, I will call you back.Garden wrote:
metadata reference? I asked it to the people of the metadata help server. but, I think we can use it p/5280871 as a reference. but i don't know ;_;
GeneralRevolution
- unused sb files:
SB\triangle1.png
SB\triangle2.png
SB\triangle3.png
SB\Background\00.png
SB\Background\02.png
SB\Background\03.png
SB\Background\BG_nochar.png Removed- also turn Epilepsy warning on, 00:56:435 - 01:28:743 - etc. are a bit flashy Fixed
- 04:11:550 - volume level conflicts What should I do with this? The volume gives enough feedback to the song?
Enon parts:[]
- 01:06:589 (1,2) - turning into 1/1 slider+circle or even a 3/2 slider instead to follow the extended guitar sound here? like you did to 01:01:974 (1,2,1) - Nice idea. But, I wanted to emphasize drum sounds more.
- 02:04:166 (2,1) - you might wanna put 1 up a bit to avoid the minor overlap for neat visual Fixed
- 02:06:127 - 02:06:820 - some personal suggestions, add some different hitsounds to indicate that you're following the vocal thing(? in music instead of guitar here (e.g. normal sample+whistle can be nice imo) Added Normal Sampleset Whistle
- 02:13:512 - 02:14:204 - ^ same suggestion here if you don't wanna use soft finish too often Nice idea
- 02:14:204 (7,8,1) - pattern looks too crowded, try https://puu.sh/ywW7k/7d319fa900.png maybe? flows well too Fixed
- 02:33:358 - 02:37:051 - add finish to be consistent with 02:29:666 - Fixed
- 05:18:588 (1) - tho not offscreen but almost hitting the edge, move it up Fixed
- 05:31:742 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - not sure if its just me but i found it a hard to control my cursor to follow the 05:31:742 (2,3,4) - flow and then suddenly get to the stream, using https://puu.sh/ywX7m/19f22158e9.png is better to me but it's your choice whether to change or not, might as well get some other players' opinions too I asked someone about it and I think it's better to change the pattern. Fixed
- 05:37:973 - finish? kwang!
- 06:13:050 - 06:14:896 - 06:16:742 - 06:18:588 - adding finish would sound cool Fixed
- 06:22:280 (1) - it can be way too punishing to put such a long stream at the very end (same length as 03:15:820 (1) - ) , converting 06:22:280 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - to two reversed slider seems to work well as a build up I am not sure I did it properly
nice to see this epic song gets mapped again, call me back once you replied stuff
thanks for the checkGarden wrote:
Dailycare parts:
- 03:01:281 - missing clap ok
- 03:31:974 (1,2,3,4) - I don't hear an increasing intensity in music that supports the sudden 1/2 jump, but it wound sound kinda justified to me if you add clap to all the four notes um i see. but don't wanna add a clap to (2)
- 04:17:675 - whistle? so it sounds a bit different from 04:17:516 - ok
- 04:26:550 (2,4) - 04:28:396 (2,4) - i assume they should have whistle like 04:24:704 (2,4) - yes
- 04:30:588 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - six 1/4 kicksliders in a row at 260bpm can be a bit harsh imo, dunno how it turns out to top players but I suggest nerfing it a bit by turning 04:30:934 (1) - into two circles nerfed it but changed the second 1,2 to a repeat slider. actually im not sure of the pattern and changed rhythm so please check it again lol
- 04:31:165 - should be a whistle refering to 04:30:704 - k
- 04:33:242 - also whistle? yup
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Garden wrote:
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seem unused?
04:11:549 - here i mean make green/red line volume same
other changes look fine to me, storyboard is cool!
Even after streams would potentially get nerfed after fixing some overmaps, the rest would still make this a hard map with unbalanced difficulty spikes on streams. But hey this shouldn't be a thing as long as the music supports so. See those 1-2 jump maps? They seem justifiable too.Lasse wrote:
also difficulty wise it mainly looks like you took a double bpm style insane/low extra and put some 7* streams on it, which in most cases don't even follow the song
Thank you for posting Lasse and Garden. Sorry for being lated to reply.Lasse wrote:
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01:28:282 (1,2,3,4) - what is this even mapped to, there's a clear change to really noticeable 1/4 snares on 01:28:512 - - which your current thing completely ignores by just mapping a full stream I know it is existing a variation from 01:28:512 - on this streams. but I thought it would be nice the 1,2,3,4 to flow to the starting of kiai along with 5,6,7,8. While I can hear some melody changes on single 1/4 tick 01:28:281 - 01:28:339 - 01:28:397 - 01:28:454 - I am thinking it is okay to keep current.
01:32:205 (7,8,9,10) - held string sound mapped as 1/4 with clap spam, why... I agree I did put clap sounds to where clap sounds even don't exist. How about change it to whistle or just soft-hitnormal?
01:39:358 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1) - basically same, there is no base for 1/4 rhythm Okay, I turned it to two 1/2 sliders.
01:39:820 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - what is this following? completely ignores the 1/1 melody to spam filler rhythm I wanted to follow where you can listen to drum sounds on single 1/2 tick more than melodies you think it has to be supoosed. The music goes to the finale of a highlight, so I want to give a strong effect here.
02:57:358 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^ same as above
01:58:281 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - most of this is not in the song either I still believe the vocals are supposed to be done as the streams. 01:58:281 - the vocals start from here, and keeping sound for several ticks. The vocals exist along with drums and are making a harmony into the part. If I didn't put here the streams it would feel weird so much.
01:59:608 (8,1,2) - this is just suddenly extremely harsh gameplay wise for no apparent reason, it's just a drum roll but this is stands out so much in the map pattern and difficulty wise It was for the aesthetic of the pattern actually. It might be harsh to play as you said, but it won't be that big issue for the player who is able to play it.
02:15:358 (3,4) - why ignore the guitar switching to red ticks for such a bland rhythm? something like https://i.imgur.com/gTwiGIL.jpg would make for a much more engaging rhythm
same thing applies basically for the whole part, your rhythm is just so bland when the song offers a lot of possibilities for more interesting rhythm than just spamming sliders on white ticks I tried to follow the rhythm you suggested.
02:29:551 (4,1) - basically just a free sliderbreak with how much momentum the square builds up, different angle/breaking movement on the slider would be much nicerGarden explained it very well. I really think current flow is following and expressing the music.Garden wrote:
02:29:551 (4,1) - Rather than being read as 02:29:320 (2,3,4,1) - (the square you mention? sorry if i didnt get it right here), it's more like 02:28:743 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - 02:29:204 (1,2,3,4) - , then 02:29:666 (1) - , so the slider works really well as a flowbreaker to transfer to the slow part.
02:59:781 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - this is probably the worst one overmap wise... I am not sure if you would be fine with the change.
05:23:895 (4) - so there are a ton of overmapped streams, but then you ignore the ones actually in the songIt is as Garden said.Garden wrote:
05:23:895 (4) - : 05:23:204 (1,2) - 05:23:665 (3,4) - should be consistent to support the vocal pattern. So mapper decided not to start the stream at 05:23:896 - (also it seems a bit abrupt to play if it starts there).
05:24:127 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - yea I think it applies as well what I said on 01:58:281 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) -
05:37:050 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
05:37:511 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - well, this is in the song, but 05:37:741 (5,6,7,8) - is clearly different since it switches from kicks to way louder snaresIt is as Garden said.Garden wrote:
05:37:511 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Surely your point makes sense here, but it's more a mapper's perspective of view (imo it's only noticeable in editor when we slowly listen to the intensity changes in music, but players won't really find it obvious while playing)
06:10:280 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 06:22:280 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - etc
I fixed the 6:10 thing, but 6:22 thing would have really weird rhythm if I going to change it. It would be appreciated if you give me some recommendation.
06:12:588 (4) - 06:14:434 (5) - etc. melody on these is twice as fast as before but represented in the same way which is just really underwhelming I really don't get what is the problem with it.
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I only pointed out some of the worst overmaps, there are more which are probably just on the edge of being acceptable since they don't feel too unfitting
for overmapped triples like 00:58:166 (6,7) - at least hitsound them properly (1/4 claps)
should also go over hitsounding again, it's extremely bland for what the song offers and it also seems like you missed a lot of stuff like cymbals on 04:43:511 - or 06:05:665 - 06:07:511 - 01:01:974 - To be honest, I am really not good at hitsounding. So I might put some wrong hitsounds. and, yeah. It is my hitsounding style to only finish those cymbals that indicates a transition in sections. So it also would be appreciated if you give me some recommendation
also normal claps on 02:13:512 (9,7) - sound really out of place, just use your custom clap for normal too if you want clap with normalwhistle? I admit I did make a mistake on here
pop is mainly for the in my opinion very badly executed overmapping, though in general I don't think this is an accurate representation of the song and just very underwhelming in general
also difficulty wise it mainly looks like you took a double bpm style insane/low extra and put some 7* streams on it, which in most cases don't even follow the song
I tried to fix those things you mentioned and I am thinking this is good for now!Lasse wrote:
02:59:781 (2,3,4) - etc these triples will be much nicer with proper hitsounding (read: claps on all ticks) if you use 1/2 claps with 1/4 rhythm is just becomes really weird (basically hitsound these similar to 01:45:243 (5,6) - etc) fixed
things like 01:28:282 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - still don't make any sense to me with what the song is doing, even if you try to tell me there is a "change in movement on 01:28:512 (5) - " which is not anything that will stand out in gameplay, as an experienced player you should know how streams like this play (one fluid motion)
maybe even something like https://i.imgur.com/VE2UGOx.jpg would work, right now you are representing 1/4 and 1/2 in the song both in the same way which is just really questionable Two 1/4 kick sliders feel weird a little for meI fixed the distance of 01:28:281 (1,2,3,4) - this stream instead.
01:32:205 (7,8,9,10,1) - this is just a very random feeling overmap since you never do it for similar spots in this part, so it feels just out of place I did it at 02:49:743 (4,5,6,7) - as well. and I could only hear the sounds at 01:32:204 - 01:32:262 - 01:32:320 - 01:32:377 -
01:39:820 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - "The music goes to the finale of a highlight, so I want to give a strong effect here." how does an insane level alt pattern give any strong effect in a map filled with spaced 260 streams The pattern is like preparing for the 260 long streams? I really think it is fine to keep.
"I still believe the vocals are supposed to be done as the streams."
just
what
no
how does this make any sense
this sentence alone makes me just feel like I'm wasting my time arguing here OK, I fixed it with VINXIS's help.
02:29:551 (4,1) - yea whatever, this is a minor point anyway
03:00:589 (1,2,3,4) - ignores the really noticeable change in drums on 03:00:820 (3,4) - , some kind of expanding pattern for example would be much nicer I tried but I am not sure you would be satisfied with this change.
05:23:895 (4) - what, there isn't even a vocal on this, why would you make it consistent with the "vocal pattern" I can hear the sound "ah-----------" which is starting to exist from 05:23:665 - and it seems a bit abrupt to play if it starts there.
06:10:280 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - at least this actually follows the song now..
06:12:127 (3,4) - compare the sounds on both, 3 maps melody only on head, while 4 has it both, this one is also only a minor issue not related to the pop, but I still think something like https://i.imgur.com/91aXjfq.jpg would be better ok!
yea I still don't think this is in any way acceptable with how you put streams over held vocals with no 1/4 to support and overall unfitting and inconsistent overmaps. I'm not saying overmapping is bad in general, it can be nice if used well, but not the way you executed it.
[XV] wrote:
Checking the timing I see some minor issues especially on the slow parts. You should really change the mp3 and copy the timing from the set that got ranked last year in CtB. It even has timed the ending too. Because with your current timing parts like this 04:16:408 (1) - and this 04:18:906 (1) - are not properly timed.
I am not sure about it. because it uses same mp3 file with the mapset? I will contact to someone has knowledge of timing.
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04:18 Enon: Hello Rizia
04:18 Rizia: hello
04:20 Enon: Do you mind if I ask you to give me an opinion for some patterns being issue in my map?
04:20 Rizia: sure
04:20 Enon: Since it's really hard map
04:21 Enon: so I want to ask some play-experienced mapper
04:21 Enon: thanks!
04:21 *Enon is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/875945 Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>]
04:21 Enon: Which map is this
04:22 Enon: The issues are started from https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6387790 Lasse's mod
04:22 Enon: and I replied like https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6391296 and https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6396973
04:22 Enon: and it seems we made an agreement with Lasse
04:23 Enon: so I think it's fine to go
04:23 Enon: but
04:23 Enon: Garden worries if it might be bubble-popped again
04:23 Enon: so
04:23 Enon: before rebubbling
04:23 Enon: needs to gather some mappers' opinions
04:24 Rizia: 01:59:608 (8,1,2) -
04:24 Rizia: nerf plz
04:24 Rizia: since its 260
04:25 Rizia: streams better have a smooth flow
04:25 Enon: humm
04:26 Enon: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9780127
04:26 Enon: like this?
04:26 Rizia: its looks better
04:26 Rizia: xd
04:27 Enon: OK
04:29 Rizia: for me, i dont see any serious issue in the map now
04:30 Enon: thank you for checking!
04:30 Enon: if you don't mind
04:30 Enon: can you post it in the thread?
04:30 Enon: it would be appreciated!
04:32 Rizia: 01:32:262 (8) -
04:32 Rizia: not too bad if deleted
04:33 Enon: humm
04:33 Enon: 01:32:204 - 01:32:262 - 01:32:320 - 01:32:377 - i mapped in a way to indicate the increasing pitch in melody
04:34 Rizia: oh
04:35 Rizia: actually fine
04:35 Rizia: its
04:35 Rizia: xd
04:35 Enon: XD
04:35 Rizia: yeah i think thats all for me
04:36 Enon: XD
04:36 Enon: good to hear
04:36 Rizia: good luck with your map~!
04:37 Enon: thank you for your time
04:37 Enon: :D
2017-12-18 01:40 neonat: like uh
2017-12-18 01:41 neonat: 01:42:877 (6,8) - there is no music here
2017-12-18 01:43 neonat: 02:06:012 (4,5) - kinda underwhelming spacing when 02:06:127 (5) - is so strong
2017-12-18 01:44 neonat: it's weird to start the sliders on the red line 02:15:474 (4) - 02:15:474 (4) - 02:16:397 (4) - etc
2017-12-18 01:44 neonat: their strong part is the white line
2017-12-18 01:45 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 01:45 Enon: about the part
2017-12-18 01:45 Enon: lasse suggested me the rhythms
2017-12-18 01:46 Enon: like "why ignore the guitar switching to red ticks for such a bland rhythm? something like https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/gTwiGIL.jpg would make for a much more engaging rhythm "
2017-12-18 01:46 neonat: because the guitars hold at 02:15:358 (3) - then 02:16:281 (3,4) - is a double guitar sound
2017-12-18 01:46 neonat: while 02:16:512 - guitar starts here too
2017-12-18 01:47 Enon: https://puu.sh/yIqOJ/77a58db679.png
2017-12-18 01:47 Enon: how about these rhythms?
2017-12-18 01:47 neonat: the violin at 03:23:666 - is strong enough to not be slider end
2017-12-18 01:48 neonat: I think for 02:15:358 (3,4) - you can merge them all together into a slider
2017-12-18 01:48 neonat: 02:16:281 (3,4,5) - can be like those sliders you ss-ed
2017-12-18 01:49 Enon: that mean 02:15:358 (3,4) - for this is
2017-12-18 01:49 Enon: make 02:15:358 (3,4) - it to 1/1?
2017-12-18 01:49 neonat: yeh
2017-12-18 01:50 neonat: 03:13:512 - 03:13:627 - 03:13:743 - 03:13:858 - you just left this blank
2017-12-18 01:50 neonat: or at least dailycare did
2017-12-18 01:50 Enon: i did it as well
2017-12-18 01:50 neonat: that violin part also daily's part
2017-12-18 01:50 Enon: 01:55:743 -
2017-12-18 01:50 neonat: it's different
2017-12-18 01:51 neonat: your part doesn't have the same percussion
2017-12-18 01:51 Enon: ahh
2017-12-18 01:51 Enon: the red ticks?
2017-12-18 01:52 Enon: maybe
2017-12-18 01:52 Enon: he wanted to make it as similar as mine because its mood is really similar?
2017-12-18 01:52 neonat: not quite
2017-12-18 01:52 neonat: same mood
2017-12-18 01:53 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 01:53 Enon: i didn't say it's same :O
2017-12-18 01:53 Enon: just really similar
2017-12-18 01:54 neonat: still not quite lol
2017-12-18 01:54 neonat: the percussion is much more prevalent in daily's
2017-12-18 01:55 neonat: 05:11:197 (1,2) - the stack pauses in the kiai differ, it's not really consistent
2017-12-18 01:55 neonat: it's 6 beats here from the start of the phrase
2017-12-18 01:55 neonat: it's after 12 at 05:19:504 (1) -
2017-12-18 01:56 Enon: ????????
2017-12-18 01:56 Enon: what does mean of that number
2017-12-18 01:56 Enon: hard to understand tbh
2017-12-18 01:56 Enon: :(
2017-12-18 01:58 neonat: anyway that's what I have to say from seeing once through
2017-12-18 01:58 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 01:58 Enon: i need your explanation about the part you mentioned "phrase"
2017-12-18 01:59 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 01:59 neonat: it just means when a section of music begins
2017-12-18 01:59 neonat: but that's just a thought on that part
2017-12-18 02:01 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 02:01 Enon: i will consider your suggestions
2017-12-18 02:01 Enon: thank you for your time
Thank you for the checkingneonat wrote:
- 01:42:877 (6,8) - there is no music here deleted
- 02:06:012 (4,5) - kinda underwhelming spacing when 02:06:127 (5) - is so strong i think lower distance could emphasize the strong sound.
- it's weird to start the sliders on the red line 02:15:474 (4) - 02:15:474 (4) - 02:16:397 (4) - etc because the guitars hold at 02:15:358 (3) - then 02:16:281 (3,4) - is a double guitar sound while 02:16:512 - guitar starts here too tried to fix it
- 02:15:358 (3,4) - you can merge them all together into a slider fixed
- 02:16:281 (3,4,5) - can be like those sliders you ss-ed fixed
- 05:11:197 (1,2) - the stack pauses in the kiai differ, it's not really consistent it's 6 beats here from the start of the phrase it's after 12 at 05:19:504 (1) - humm I really didn't understand your said though, I followed the rhythm from the similar part Dailycare has mapped 03:17:666 - ?
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