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senya - Though the Scent Lingers, the Flowers Scattered

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SolarFox
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 14 January, 2016 at 9:35:35 AM

Artist: senya
Title: Though the Scent Lingers, the Flowers Scattered
Source: touhou
Tags: touhou
BPM: 138
Filesize: 4581kb
Play Time: 02:43
Difficulties Available:
  1. Hard (3.17 stars, 429 notes)
  2. Insane (3.85 stars, 765 notes)
Download: senya - Though the Scent Lingers, the Flowers Scattered
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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remind me to make a full set

Easy - nyet
Normal - nyet
Hard - WIP
Insane - done
Big thanks to
Rumia- for timing + bit modding
LunarFox for a bit modding
TequilaWolf for modding
Jeffrey for modding
:) :)
TequilaWolf
these are all just suggestions.

Insane-

00:06:562 (2) - don't touch previous slider, move up more
00:08:736 (1) - remove grey node to make it straight
00:09:388 (2) - make it as curved as you can
00:10:040 (3,1) - better if you exchange circle and slider to make it 4 1/2 taps in a row, fits music. just ctrl+g and adjust placements
00:11:345 (5,1) - change to 2 1/2 sliders then 8 singletaps in a row
00:13:519 (9,10) - change to one slider also can
00:13:954 (1) - here then use repeat slider nice, also 00:14:823 (3) - same
00:15:693 (1) - this one right, you can shorten the spinner and add one note right here, then spinner put on next blue tick. kan.
00:15:801 (1) - spinner maybe end here 00:19:171 and lower volume of the ending hitsound. the gap feels too empty
00:23:075 (2) - move to the right of previous slider, left side feels cramping, then maybe adjust 00:23:945 (1) - somewhere else
00:24:379 (2) - prefer 2 circles
00:31:771 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - nice. just maaaaaybe try ctrl+g-ing the whole thing and move 00:33:075 (1) - nearer
00:33:515 (4) - shorten. add circle at 00:34:167
00:35:906 (4) - let player click on the white tick 'wa' sound pls, change to circle on red tick and 1/2 slider right after
00:36:994 (1) - that 'ga' sound lasts for 1/1 but you can shorten slider to 1/2 then add a circle maybe some variety
00:40:037 (2,3) - can consider changing to a slider
00:41:123 (1) - change to circle -> slider, 00:42:862 (1) - same thing
00:44:818 (1,2,3,4) - maybe ctrl+g and move closer to previous
00:47:210 - can consider adding one circle on slidertail
00:56:100 (9,10) - curve both, and ctrl+g slider 9 and move further away




01:01:317: 01:01:751: 01:02:186 - consider something for vocals? xD (slider slider circle seems nice, put very low volume)
01:06:535 (1,2) - copy and rotate. these are not the same
01:11:535 (4,5) - ctrl+g and adjust. always double-check stuff like this especially sliders that start on red ticks
01:16:751 (7,8,1) - needs neater spacing
01:19:139 (7) - two circles
01:23:487 (2,3) - slider
01:28:703 (4) - move further away from slider
01:38:269 (3,4,5,6,7) - I don't think this is a good idea at all actually. just make it a straight line or regular curve. I have no idea what is this. you might want to try ctrl+g too
01:53:052 (6) - maybe change to normal 5-note stream and add circle on red tick
01:55:226 (1,2) - copypaste rotate your sliders more, gives it a neater feel




02:14:342 (1) - move closer to previous slidertail
02:14:886 (3) - remove
02:26:515 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3) - hard. regular 9-note stream seems good, also red tick slider 02:27:602 (1) - you know the drill
02:28:255 (6) - triplet
02:33:473 (1,3) - needs to be the same shape and direction I feel o:
02:34:560 (4,5) - ctrl+g
02:40:537 (1) - same thing as before, move spinner to blue tick
02:42:820 - 'eeeeeeeeeee' stops right here. I have no suggestions though
02:45:625 (1,2,3,1) - f..fancy. circle seems good for 02:45:733 (2) - but I don't really know
02:46:603 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - ya
02:59:756 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - yaaaa




03:01:494 (1) - blue, and maybe extend spinner till 03:04:103
03:04:539 (2) - might want fancy slider
03:12:256 (4) - remove
03:24:539 (3) - ctrl+g, then ctrl+g this 03:24:973 (4) - and ctrl+g these 03:24:973 (4,5) - AHAHA
03:29:104 (3,4,5) - please don't do evil things
03:31:060 (1) - spinner thing

gl c:
Topic Starter
SolarFox

TequilaWolf wrote:

these are all just suggestions.

Insane-

00:06:562 (2) - don't touch previous slider, move up more k
00:08:736 (1) - remove grey node to make it straight I like curves
00:09:388 (2) - make it as curved as you can curved this and ^ more
00:10:040 (3,1) - better if you exchange circle and slider to make it 4 1/2 taps in a row, fits music. just ctrl+g and adjust placements k
00:11:345 (5,1) - change to 2 1/2 sliders then 8 singletaps in a row I prefer it this way.
00:13:519 (9,10) - change to one slider also can I prefer it this way.
00:13:954 (1) - here then use repeat slider nice, also 00:14:823 (3) - same k
00:15:693 (1) - this one right, you can shorten the spinner and add one note right here, then spinner put on next blue tick. kan. I prefer it this way. (vocal also drag, hence spin)
00:15:801 (1) - spinner maybe end here 00:19:171 and lower volume of the ending hitsound. the gap feels too empty k
00:23:075 (2) - move to the right of previous slider, left side feels cramping, then maybe adjust 00:23:945 (1) - somewhere else forced to move this whole bit 00:23:510 (3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2) -
00:24:379 (2) - prefer 2 circles feels..weird to tap the stream later on? idk, keep for now
00:31:771 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - nice. just maaaaaybe try ctrl+g-ing the whole thing and move 00:33:075 (1) - nearer gradual movement from bottom to top feels really nice
00:33:515 (4) - shorten. add circle at 00:34:167 I thought of this initially. In the end I figured it plays nicer like this.
00:35:906 (4) - let player click on the white tick 'wa' sound pls, change to circle on red tick and 1/2 slider right after I added a note, removed slider on 00:36:558 , lengthen the first slider and added repeat arrow
00:36:994 (1) - that 'ga' sound lasts for 1/1 but you can shorten slider to 1/2 then add a circle maybe some variety simple is best
00:40:037 (2,3) - can consider changing to a slider I feel that it's better to keep since 00:41:776 (2,3) - are present
00:41:123 (1) - change to circle -> slider, 00:42:862 (1) - same thing piano
00:44:818 (1,2,3,4) - maybe ctrl+g and move closer to previous managed somehow. no idea if it works well
00:47:210 - can consider adding one circle on slidertail sound too faint
00:56:100 (9,10) - curve both, and ctrl+g slider 9 and move further away k




01:01:317: 01:01:751: 01:02:186 - consider something for vocals? xD (slider slider circle seems nice, put very low volume) I need to adjust my mouse hand Kappa
01:06:535 (1,2) - copy and rotate. these are not the same k
01:11:535 (4,5) - ctrl+g and adjust. always double-check stuff like this especially sliders that start on red ticks are sliders on red ticks bad? (changed anyway)
01:16:751 (7,8,1) - needs neater spacing k
01:19:139 (7) - two circles k
01:23:487 (2,3) - slider I prefer it this way.
01:28:703 (4) - move further away from slider changed somehow
01:38:269 (3,4,5,6,7) - I don't think this is a good idea at all actually. just make it a straight line or regular curve. I have no idea what is this. you might want to try ctrl+g too k
01:53:052 (6) - maybe change to normal 5-note stream and add circle on red tick k
01:55:226 (1,2) - copypaste rotate your sliders more, gives it a neater feel k




02:14:342 (1) - move closer to previous slidertail I don't understand lol. overlap a little bit? (did it anyway)
02:14:886 (3) - remove k
02:26:515 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3) - hard. regular 9-note stream seems good, also red tick slider 02:27:602 (1) - you know the drill lol looks harder. changed anyway
02:28:255 (6) - triplet already a triplet before it
02:33:473 (1,3) - needs to be the same shape and direction I feel o: did something else
02:34:560 (4,5) - ctrl+g ^
02:40:537 (1) - same thing as before, move spinner to blue tick changed somehow
02:42:820 - 'eeeeeeeeeee' stops right here. I have no suggestions though break feels a bit too long if I end it there, so keep c:
02:45:625 (1,2,3,1) - f..fancy. circle seems good for 02:45:733 (2) - but I don't really know the kick bass sounds nice, hence fancy xd
02:46:603 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - ya ^
02:59:756 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - yaaaa ^.. I wish someone can help fix.. I really wanna keep mapping to the bass tho.




03:01:494 (1) - blue, and maybe extend spinner till 03:04:103 I prefer it this way.
03:04:539 (2) - might want fancy slider I'm out of ideas LOL
03:12:256 (4) - remove k
03:24:539 (3) - ctrl+g, then ctrl+g this 03:24:973 (4) - and ctrl+g these 03:24:973 (4,5) - AHAHA k lol
03:29:104 (3,4,5) - please don't do evil things wtf how did I
03:31:060 (1) - spinner thing seems fine here

gl c:
Thanks for mod!
Jeffrey
Hi first time modding so might not be of good quality but I'll try my best. Give or take it's up to you.

Generally the flow is good, comfortable to play, but the spacing is abit too small where it should be bigger like the chorus and its build up. Make the spacing for these sections bigger and the difficulty gap between hard and insane might increase as well.

Insane

00:03:519 (3) - imo 1/2 slider then a circle would sound better according to the music
00:08:736 (1,2) - use 2 1/2 sliders instead, the piano sound fits better, i.e. http://puu.sh/mlRG0/1b606637ac.jpg
00:09:823 - , 00:10:040 - , 00:10:258 - map 3 circles here instead for the vocals (if you dont like to map to vocals its okay im just stating what's more intuitive for me, the "yuru" sounded very prominent)
00:11:345 (5) - put a circle here, move the reverse to 00:11:562 - then map a circle at 00:12:214 - for the 5 beats in front to be consistent with the behind one
00:13:519 (7,8) - 1/2 slider
00:20:249 (4,8) - 8 overlap with 4 for overall flow
00:24:379 (2) - 1/2 slider? the reverse can't seem to really fit in
00:44:818 (1,2,3,4) - maybe ctrl+h? awkward to play the same pattern back and forth again
00:48:490 (5) - can consider ctrl+h also, flows better imo
00:54:360 - from here onwards can consider increasing the spacing between notes, as build up for the chorus, if not abit too monotonous through the whole map
00:59:577 (5,6,7,8,9) - use 2 1/2 sliders (with maybe increasing sv)? as buildup for the chorus and the "bakari" is very prominent also
01:02:622 (1,2,3) - 1/2 slider instead? with lower sv
01:07:405 (3,4,5,6) - maybe a zigzag pattern going downwards? imo fits the song cuz "chirinuru" means falling down (okay bad reason) but the vocals pitch is decreasing too so something like this: http://puu.sh/mlTGN/c20633eecd.jpg but your choice
01:11:209 (2) - remove this circle, consistent with the front section
01:22:617 (6) - move downwards abit, maybe in the middle of both sliders (sorry I like it symmetrical)
01:23:270 (1) - remove NC, use it here 01:23:487 (2)
01:33:486 (1) - ctrl+g maybe?
01:35:660 (2) - use 2 circles might be better, the song pattern is similar to the front few parts (if you're mapping to the background snares)
01:59:574 (4,5,6) - place some angle between the circles, one straight line abit awkward to play but ur choice
02:14:885 - if you want to be consistent at that section then add 1 circle here, make it either all 1/2 circles or triplets
02:18:580 (2) - remove this, sounds awkward, make the "chirinuru" a new section like 02:18:689 (3) - NC here
02:21:515 (2,3,4,5,6) - putting this here sounds abit weird, i suggest removing 02:21:624 (3) - and making 02:21:733 (4,5,6) - into 1/2 slider, fits the background cymbal sound better
02:31:299 (3,4,5) - im sure you can think of something better than straight lines, curve the slider abit more for better flow
02:49:972 (2) - maybe consider using a 3/4 slider since you're mapping to the guitar
02:50:190 (3) - remove this, no noticeable beat to map to
03:12:147 (3,4) - 1/2 slider again?
03:25:190 (5) - ctrl+g

overall not bad, very nice map, although you can consider making some of the sliders curve abit more for better flow at certain parts but otherwise the sliders are okay.

And for hard I'm not going to mod cuz I still don't have much experience, still learning, but I've looked through and I think you used way too many circles, try reducing the number of circles where possible and put in more sliders instead to reduce the difficulty. And try to use less streams/triplets if avoidable, but triplets are fine for hards. (your hard mcm copy paste from insane just change abit only so I assume still WIP)

good luck :)
Topic Starter
SolarFox

Jeffrey wrote:

Hi first time modding so might not be of good quality but I'll try my best. Give or take it's up to you.

Generally the flow is good, comfortable to play, but the spacing is abit too small where it should be bigger like the chorus and its build up. Make the spacing for these sections bigger and the difficulty gap between hard and insane might increase as well.

Insane

00:03:519 (3) - imo 1/2 slider then a circle would sound better according to the music I prefer it this way.
00:08:736 (1,2) - use 2 1/2 sliders instead, the piano sound fits better, i.e. http://puu.sh/mlRG0/1b606637ac.jpg I prefer it this way. I don't want to make the intro too hard.
00:09:823 - , 00:10:040 - , 00:10:258 - map 3 circles here instead for the vocals (if you dont like to map to vocals its okay im just stating what's more intuitive for me, the "yuru" sounded very prominent) there's already singletaps after the sliders, it kinda ruins the "calmness" of the song if I added more before it. also, it's samayou, not yuru :^)
00:11:345 (5) - put a circle here, move the reverse to 00:11:562 - then map a circle at 00:12:214 - for the 5 beats in front to be consistent with the behind one will keep for now.
00:13:519 (7,8) - 1/2 slider ^
00:20:249 (4,8) - 8 overlap with 4 for overall flow k
00:24:379 (2) - 1/2 slider? the reverse can't seem to really fit in feels a little cramped but changed anyway
00:44:818 (1,2,3,4) - maybe ctrl+h? awkward to play the same pattern back and forth again k
00:48:490 (5) - can consider ctrl+h also, flows better imo would overlap with 00:49:143 (1)
00:54:360 - from here onwards can consider increasing the spacing between notes, as build up for the chorus, if not abit too monotonous through the whole map I'll try my best
00:59:577 (5,6,7,8,9) - use 2 1/2 sliders (with maybe increasing sv)? as buildup for the chorus and the "bakari" is very prominent also I mapped the earlier parts to the music, not the vocal, so if I map it to the vocal now it would feel a little weird. Plus, I like the bass lol
01:02:622 (1,2,3) - 1/2 slider instead? with lower sv I prefer it this way
01:07:405 (3,4,5,6) - maybe a zigzag pattern going downwards? imo fits the song cuz "chirinuru" means falling down (okay bad reason) but the vocals pitch is decreasing too so something like this: http://puu.sh/mlTGN/c20633eecd.jpg but your choice would break the flow ;-;
01:11:209 (2) - remove this circle, consistent with the front section I think triple here fits more nicely.
01:22:617 (6) - move downwards abit, maybe in the middle of both sliders (sorry I like it symmetrical) k
01:23:270 (1) - remove NC, use it here 01:23:487 (2) k
01:33:486 (1) - ctrl+g maybe? breaks flow
01:35:660 (2) - use 2 circles might be better, the song pattern is similar to the front few parts (if you're mapping to the background snares) k
01:59:574 (4,5,6) - place some angle between the circles, one straight line abit awkward to play but ur choice I prefer it this way.
02:14:885 - if you want to be consistent at that section then add 1 circle here, make it either all 1/2 circles or triplets k
02:18:580 (2) - remove this, sounds awkward, make the "chirinuru" a new section like 02:18:689 (3) - NC here k
02:21:515 (2,3,4,5,6) - putting this here sounds abit weird, i suggest removing 02:21:624 (3) - and making 02:21:733 (4,5,6) - into 1/2 slider, fits the background cymbal sound better k
02:31:299 (3,4,5) - im sure you can think of something better than straight lines, curve the slider abit more for better flow k
02:49:972 (2) - maybe consider using a 3/4 slider since you're mapping to the guitar idk what is a 3/4 slider lol. changed to something else
02:50:190 (3) - remove this, no noticeable beat to map to ^
03:12:147 (3,4) - 1/2 slider again? k
03:25:190 (5) - ctrl+g k

overall not bad, very nice map, although you can consider making some of the sliders curve abit more for better flow at certain parts but otherwise the sliders are okay. generally I like curved sliders, but too much curves make them look ugly, so I refrained from doing it too much. Might made it too uncurved tho zzz

And for hard I'm not going to mod cuz I still don't have much experience, still learning, but I've looked through and I think you used way too many circles, try reducing the number of circles where possible and put in more sliders instead to reduce the difficulty. And try to use less streams/triplets if avoidable, but triplets are fine for hards. (your hard mcm copy paste from insane just change abit only so I assume still WIP) yes it's still a WIP (not even 1/4 done yet lol). I copy pasted the whole [Insane] difficulty and is planning to nerf stuff here and there. The idea is to keep the rhythm consistent with the [Insane] diff, and hitsounding everything from the scratch is a pain in the neck.

good luck :) thanks :) :)
TequilaWolf
3/4 sliders are sliders that extend from a white/red tick to a blue tick, they cover 3 'spaces' in the timeline hence they are called 3/4, same like how 1/2 (2/4) covers 2 spaces and 1/4 covers 1 space
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