Infevo wrote:
And I agree and think this and some other facts are what makes it so impressive. He barely played. He barely tried hard. And he didn't farm pp maps primarily like most of the other top players (absolutely legitimate; no question).
I mean while everyone else had 100k+ plays on him and was trying hard and playing a lot for rank he was just back for so short and took #3 with ease.
If this does not impress the competitive osu! play enthusiasts I don't know what should. He could easily be around 13k pp now with just another 1k plays on top. Overhyping Cookiezi's current skill level is plainly not possible. And this thread deserves to exist imho.
Infevo wrote:
I don't see how your explanation, which was dispensable, contradicts anything I said. Neither can I recall making any claims about the ranking system which shouldn't be common sense by now.
And at no point did I claim pp is depending on play count exclusively. But allocating a certain amount takes plays and to top out one's own absolute pp in terms of potential is always gonna take a good portion of invested time. Even the most consistent players will need some thousand plays to make their pp represent their current skill level. It takes time, it takes plays, it takes dedication, it also sometimes requires the player to resort to pp/farm maps. And my point was that Cookiezi didn't need thousands of plays for #3, he didnt need to try too hard, he didnt need to spam farm maps. And while everyone else was still playing more than him he still gained rank #3 with ease which from my point of view is impressive to say the least. Now, if we know all this isn't it perfectly legitimate to assume his current skill level is far above anyone else's?
That's my whole point. And I felt it was necessary to get this across since people play his performance down while not even providing any proper reason.
Here's a snapshot from right before Cookiezi gets banned:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130927000 ... py.sh/p/ppSee how he has 110,405 plays? That amounts to a certain amount of skill, won't you agree? And that skill won't just magically disappear either, right? So why is it incredible that he farmed 10k pp within 1000 plays? If you were to reset hvick's account so he had 0 plays, he would still retain his current skills, and get back to where he is right now, or at least very close to his current pp within 1000 plays as well. Only your highest scores ever count towards your ranking, this means that the 100000 plays many players have spent from getting 1pp to 300pp scores counts more or less 0pp towards their overall rank. This is why the playcount is irrelevant. The only difference between Cookiezi's case and a hypothetical reset of hvick or rafis is that we don't know where Cookiezi's pp will cap. It might cap soon, or it might not cap until he reaches upwards to 13k pp as you're saying, but it's not going to be "easy".
As for your claim that Cookiezi doesn't play farm maps, how so? So since hvick/rafis can set multiple 500-600pp scores within a few hours, it's because they play farm maps, while Cookiezi doing the same isn't? Even though he also plays some of the same maps, while others he can't actually play yet because of speed/ar?
Don't get me wrong, Cookiezi is an amazing player, but you're getting excited about the wrong thing.
Edit: and fyi, it was still ppv1 back then.