08:50 Shiirn: mod my map
08:52 Faust: which one
08:52 Shiirn: felys
08:52 Shiirn: just to ge tmore mods so people shut the fuck up about speedranks
08:56 Faust: ok.
08:57 Shiirn: thanks.
08:57 Shiirn: also
08:57 Shiirn:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/431189608:57 Shiirn: IF THAT ISN'T SOME BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE
08:57 Faust: honeycomb ?
08:57 *Shiirn is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/877056 Camellia - Routing [Comfort]]
08:57 Shiirn: it's a huge jump section
08:58 Shiirn: that uses the honeycomb pattern as a rigid frame to allow for the back-and-forth jumps to flow and be predictable
08:58 Faust: feel like nazi modding but at the same time not like nazi modding because that will take more time.
08:58 Faust: ;;
08:58 Shiirn: you can see how 123456 are patterned
08:58 Shiirn: for felys?
08:58 Shiirn: nazi mod only shit people will notice
08:58 Shiirn: remember its inconsistent in some patterns on purpoe
08:59 Faust: the intro is well done but I strongly feel some of the variation shouldn't be used.
08:59 Faust: there's this feeling of friction
09:00 Shiirn: well i strongly disagree in this case as I'm tired of dealing with a bazillion conflicting mods because of how felys is mapped inconsistently
09:00 Shiirn: because it's several different representations of the same music
09:00 Shiirn: its different styles
09:00 Faust: a song like felys I'd feel it should have a very shallow resistance going
09:01 Faust: I always thought it was good when it came to the quieter sections
09:01 Faust: the lead-up to the streams seem to feel disproprotionate.
09:02 Faust: 03:33:229 (8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6) - now this is really weird to me
09:04 Faust: even the hitsounding
09:04 Shiirn: uhh
09:04 Shiirn: are you going to savelog and post
09:04 Shiirn: before we go any further
09:04 Shiirn: because uhhh
09:04 Faust: sure I'll log this and include this in a post
09:05 Faust: it's a so-so at best to me :l
09:05 Shiirn: well i mean
09:05 Faust: if I were you I'd stack 4 5 6
09:05 Shiirn: so-so is what you're going to get
09:05 Shiirn: from felys
09:05 Shiirn: cuz it's a so-so track
09:06 Faust: :/
09:06 Shiirn: also stacking 456 does NIGHTMARES
09:06 Faust: what kind of reasoning is that !
09:06 Shiirn: for readability
09:06 Faust: but your map is cluttered as fuck
09:06 Faust: and you're saying that affects readability
09:06 Faust: lol
09:07 Shiirn: well
09:07 Shiirn: it's clustered but it'd be far worse if i stacked 456
09:07 Shiirn: :I
09:07 Faust: eh
09:07 Shiirn: cuz it's ltierally
09:07 Shiirn: directly under 1
09:08 Faust: :CC
09:08 Shiirn: )
09:08 Faust: sure
09:10 Shiirn: uhhh
09:11 Shiirn: lol
09:11 Shiirn: whatever
09:11 Faust: ; ;
09:11 Shiirn: <3
09:13 Faust: did you have some sort of structure in mind for this
09:14 Shiirn: for...felys?
09:14 Faust: mhmm
09:14 Shiirn: tbh not really, it's just lots of artistic patterns threaded together
09:14 Faust: yeah that's what I thought.
09:15 Shiirn: Routing is the structure map, REANIMATE is pretty much an eldritwgah'nagl fhtagn h'nglui mglw'nafh
09:15 Faust: the rhythm is established sure, I just can't help but think the presentation could be much better
09:15 Faust: it is.
09:15 Shiirn: [progressively more eldritch speech]
09:15 Faust: see the way it looks just becomes counter-productive to the map.
09:16 Faust: it's making itself disadvantageous.
09:16 Shiirn: uh
09:16 Shiirn: what
09:17 Faust: 01:09:395 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
09:17 Faust: like I get this is a conscious pattern
09:17 Faust: but like why use this sort.
09:17 Shiirn: because it's there?
09:18 Faust: :C
09:19 Faust: 01:14:229 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - and why is this even needing a combo change
09:19 Shiirn: technically it doesn't, but people get uppity if 2-note streams arent patterned right
09:19 Shiirn: i mean i can totally just 123456 (do) it and leave it as is
09:20 Faust: feeling a wave of deja vu now
09:21 Shiirn: ?
09:21 Faust: post will be ready in a few hours
09:21 Faust: long *
09:23 Shiirn: ?
09:23 Shiirn: ;A;
09:23 Shiirn: plst don't sallt the earth with a wall of text
09:23 Faust: what you dont want a long post
09:23 Shiirn: tbh i don't
09:23 Faust: short ver then
09:23 Shiirn: i mean
09:23 Shiirn: objectively speaking
09:23 Shiirn: is this map bad
09:23 Shiirn: did you read the beatmap description?
09:24 Faust: my first post in your thread was 70% serious
09:24 Faust: 30% is just my reaction/impression
09:25 Faust: but yeah I really thought you could do better
09:25 Faust: "am i being trolled"
09:25 Shiirn: i mean
09:25 Shiirn: i mapped it while banned
09:25 Shiirn: i was experimenting a lot
09:25 Shiirn: and not really putting tons of effort into it
09:25 Faust: I'm just asking if this is the final product you're satisfied with
09:26 Faust: and if you can't give yourself a straight yes it's better to make a bunch of changes
09:26 Shiirn: Now, that's a question I can't answer directly, so let me put it this way
09:27 Shiirn: If there are any actual, definitive mistakes in the patterning or new combos or whatever, the kind of OBJECTIVE OVERSIGHTS or MISTAKES in the map
09:27 Shiirn: i want them gone
09:27 Shiirn: but OTHER THAN THOSE
09:27 Shiirn: I am satisfied with this map
09:27 Faust: I see
09:27 Faust:
09:27 Faust: anyway have a hot girl
09:27 Shiirn: 2d
09:27 Shiirn: pd
09:27 Faust: she's 3d u dick
09:28 Shiirn: i missed a number
09:28 Shiirn: 3dpd
09:28 Faust: your loss
09:28 Faust:
k back to asian girls
09:29 Faust:
09:29 Faust: this is turning to be a good irc mod
09:29 *Faust prepares post
09:36 Faust: hm
09:36 Faust: why use this shit level grid ?
09:36 Faust: restricts your layout imo
09:36 Shiirn: ?
09:36 Shiirn: i usually
09:36 Shiirn: don't
09:36 Shiirn: use grid
09:37 Shiirn: i eyeball things
09:37 Faust: okay.
09:37 Shiirn: i only use grid to make sliders before scaling them to pixel perfect
09:38 Faust: hm, no custom HS. Final decision yes ?
09:38 Shiirn: why, was it on grid3?
09:38 Shiirn: i mean
09:39 Shiirn: idk what a custom hitsound would do for felys unless i wanted to keysound it which FUCK THAT
09:39 Faust: mm no I just think a higher grid surface would give you a better choice for fine-tuning some objects
09:39 Shiirn: i usually don't snap at all
09:39 Faust: think the custom hitnormal for my Icarus being used at certain points
09:39 Shiirn: i'll snap to make sure things are linear/slider construction/etc you know
09:39 Faust: this song has lots of tings etc
09:39 Shiirn: mmm
09:40 Shiirn: i dont usually emphasize them tho
09:40 Faust: that's why I'm saying
09:40 Faust: lol
09:42 Shiirn: i mean
09:43 Shiirn: they're going to be on hitfinish
09:43 Shiirn: because i already liberally use wistles and claps
09:43 Faust: isnt there an option to stack em
09:43 Shiirn: i mean
09:44 Shiirn: you can have as many cusotm sets as you want
09:44 Shiirn: but short of swapping on the fly
09:44 Shiirn: idk how to add any hitsounds that wont be under hitfinish and i use a lot of hitfinish too
09:45 Shiirn: this is ignoring the fact that i think the hitsounds are already pretty decent
09:45 Shiirn: and it'd be a lot more effort to put in any additional hitsounds and they'd be another thing the BNs/QAT would need to check along the path
09:45 Shiirn: etc etc
09:45 Faust: lol
09:45 Faust: okay
09:45 Shiirn: also do you think my logic here is sound
09:46 Shiirn:
p/480748509:46 Faust: a simple fix to appease any asshole is to reverse selection
09:46 Faust: lol
09:47 Shiirn: yeah but fuck those guys
09:47 Faust: anyway it's a single command
09:47 Faust: seems okay to me
09:47 Shiirn: i legitimately do
09:47 Shiirn: really like how it is right now
09:47 Shiirn: its not just me bullshitting to not have to fucking rotate it 90 degrees
09:47 Shiirn: i legitimately like it how it is
09:47 Faust: if you like it you can keep it blahblah