Did some more polishing up. Everything looks good to go from my end so here's Bubble #1!
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19:13 Shiirn: ok you're in felys
19:13 Shiirn: uhh other than a broadline 10% volume increase across the entire map
19:14 Shiirn: 05:08:072 (1) - i want to move this around so it's not a hanzer slider
19:14 Shiirn: 02:37:739 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - and close these up a bit
19:15 Shiirn: that's it
19:15 Shiirn: want me to do them?
19:19 Shiirn: uh well i did them :Y ready when you get back
19:20 Monstrata: okay
19:20 Shiirn: it wasnt a flat 10% increase across the entire thing, but 5-10 here and there in the bits that were troublesome
19:21 Shiirn: the most common issue is probably going to be stacking because things keep unstacking the second i upload and leave the editor =_=
19:24 Monstrata: okay lets see
19:24 Monstrata: 00:38:239 (2) - Not going to emphasize this note?
19:25 Monstrata: 00:38:072 (1) - This on the other hand doesnt need that kind of a jump imo
19:25 Shiirn: mmm how do you mean? it's already kind of emphasized because of the jump after it, maybe you mean the one before it?
19:25 Monstrata: the one before
19:25 Monstrata: like 1>2 is a pretty short jump compared to 3>1
19:26 Monstrata: but the jump from 3>1 itself doesn't emphasize much
19:26 Shiirn: oh yeah
19:26 Shiirn: you're right, i think that's a leftover from the reorganizing i did considering your advice on the triangles
19:26 Monstrata: ah
19:26 Monstrata: ok
19:26 Shiirn: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4290692 something kind of like this?
19:27 Shiirn: gives a bigger jump 1->2 to emphasize 2 more
19:27 Monstrata: okay yea that'll work
19:33 Monstrata: 00:58:905 (3) -
19:33 Monstrata: slider-end
19:33 Shiirn: ?
19:33 Monstrata: eh nvm
19:33 Monstrata: was kinda weird you map that snare to jumps earlier
19:34 Monstrata: or at least made it clickable
19:34 Shiirn: yeah that slider instead emphasizes the...
19:34 Shiirn: wub? idk what to call it
19:35 Shiirn: like the desc says it kind of jumps around what layers of instruments it's playing
19:35 Shiirn: so it's fairly inconsistent
19:36 Monstrata: 01:05:905 (3,5) - you could maybe space them out a bit more so they arent touching
19:37 Shiirn: I shrunk it by a tiny amount so that they clearly don't touch while following the same shape
19:37 Monstrata: 01:18:655 (2) - Spacing is a bit weird here
19:37 Monstrata: ok
19:37 Monstrata: intentional?
19:37 Monstrata: the spacing anyways
19:38 Shiirn: uh
19:38 Shiirn: I want to say "yes" because it was to make the (2) be on (1)'s slider track
19:38 Shiirn: but 3 is arleady off of it for readability purposes anyway so...
19:38 Shiirn: lemme try move it a bit to see if i can even it out
19:38 Monstrata: 01:22:655 (2) - I guess you can even it out here too maybe
19:38 Shiirn: yeah they're teh same pattern
19:38 Shiirn: and i evened it out ti .93/.91
19:39 Shiirn: to*
19:39 Monstrata: ok
19:39 Monstrata: 01:28:072 (1,2,3,4) - These jumps are so bit xd
19:39 Monstrata: big*
19:40 Shiirn: I've never actually seen anyone break there
19:40 Shiirn: but i mean
19:41 Shiirn: i could ctrl+g 1 and 4
19:41 Shiirn: tho that makes 3 the massive jump
19:41 Shiirn: heh
19:42 Shiirn: i can put 3 under 01:27:739 (7) - if you really insist on changing that spacing though
19:42 Monstrata: how about
19:42 Monstrata: http://puu.sh/mnEK0.jpg
19:42 Monstrata: just swapping 1 and 4 in timeline
19:42 Monstrata: so overall spacing is bigger
19:42 Shiirn: then wouldn't the
19:42 Shiirn: 01:28:989 (5,6) -
19:42 Shiirn: now be kinda crazy?
19:42 Monstrata: ah damn
19:43 Monstrata: but yea the spacing is really large even though there isn't much of a change in the music
19:43 Shiirn: hmm....
19:43 Shiirn: I've got an idea.
19:44 Shiirn: ...
19:44 Shiirn: this is really hard to like
19:44 Shiirn: show with a screenshot
19:44 Shiirn: so im going to update and u can check it?
19:45 Shiirn: updated
19:45 Shiirn: 01:28:072 (1) - reversed this, and rotated the curve pattern so that 2,3 could be a straight line across the axis
19:45 Shiirn: while stacking
19:46 Shiirn: phone call
19:46 Shiirn: brb
19:48 Monstrata: okay that works
19:49 Monstrata: 01:30:905 (3) - I think its better for you to map that slider-end to a circle
19:49 Monstrata: to justify those jumps
19:51 Shiirn: keep going
19:51 Shiirn: family call i need to take
19:51 Shiirn: ill be back soon
19:52 Monstrata: kk
19:54 Monstrata: 01:42:405 (1) - weird you NC here but not 01:41:738 (5) -
19:54 Monstrata: hmm seems a pattern i guess, like it works out better for the next stream cuz of the bend
19:54 Monstrata: but here it just looks like a symmetrical pattern
19:54 Monstrata: 01:43:072 (3,4) - overlap doesnt look nice xd
19:56 Monstrata: 01:56:239 (2,3,4) - so confusing to read ;c
19:57 Monstrata: 02:09:405 (1,2,3,4) - I liked these a lot better lol
19:58 Monstrata: 02:12:239 (2) - Why the switch here? Not going to map 02:12:572 - to something clickable?
19:59 Monstrata: 02:22:905 (2) - Same here. you should map that white tick too xd
19:59 Shiirn: those streams are doing 8,4,4
19:59 Monstrata: 02:25:905 (4) - rotate 240 stack on 1 etc. plays better lol but ehh
20:00 Shiirn: overlap fixed
20:00 Shiirn: moved (4) so it isnt stacked but ive never heard anyone complain about it...? i like the circle-slider pattern
20:01 Monstrata: 02:30:072 (1,2,3,4) - try arranging like http://puu.sh/mnFNp.jpg
20:02 Monstrata: ok
20:02 Shiirn: o.o?
20:03 Shiirn: back for now
20:03 Shiirn: a lot of those "why the switch" is because of that different-isntrument mapping
20:03 Shiirn: it's intentional
20:03 Shiirn: swapped 2 and 3 on that last one tho
20:04 Monstrata: u know, ppl are just going to be like ?__? so inconsistent
20:04 Monstrata: xP
20:04 Monstrata: like whether it was intentional or not
20:04 Shiirn: i know
20:04 Shiirn: but
20:05 Shiirn: i address that in the beatmap description
20:05 Shiirn: and if people choose to not understand it after that
20:05 Shiirn: that's their problem, not mine
20:05 Shiirn: like i said in the desc as well, i hate to come back only to say "respect my style" but this is seriously a one-time thing for me as i mapped this entirely while i was banned and getting NO response for support
20:05 Monstrata: have you considered using specific combo colors?
20:05 Shiirn: so i was being pretty introspective
20:05 Monstrata: like alternating between say light blue/dark blue for one layer
20:05 Monstrata: and going to light purple/dark purple for another layer
20:06 Monstrata: so theres a visual shift
20:06 Shiirn: that seems needlessly complex when most people who are able to play things of this level use custom combo colors and a black bg anyway
20:06 Shiirn: so i figured
20:07 Shiirn: ...yeah
20:07 Shiirn: lol
20:08 Monstrata: 03:21:072 (3,4,5) - Space them instead of stacking
20:08 Monstrata: emphasizes 5 a bit more
20:08 Shiirn: mmm i stacked them because it mimics the triangle pattern used at the start of the map
20:09 Shiirn: and i dont think 5 needs any emphasis
20:09 Shiirn: as it is simply the same instrument doing the entire triple, just loudest at the bottom
20:09 Shiirn: if anything i'd have 3 timing sections changing the volume of the triple but that also seemed overkill
20:18 Monstrata: hmm ok
20:18 Monstrata: 03:22:905 (1) -
20:18 Monstrata: xdd
20:18 Shiirn: ...
20:18 Shiirn: do i need to explain that
20:18 Shiirn: ;_;
20:18 Monstrata: can you make it nicer lol
20:18 Shiirn: it's
20:19 Shiirn: a copy
20:19 Shiirn: of gowww's slider
20:19 Monstrata: well gowww makes ugly sliders then
20:19 Monstrata: xdd
20:19 Shiirn: from
20:19 *Shiirn is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/85762 onoken - felys -long remix-]
20:19 Shiirn: the 2011 map
20:19 Monstrata: this is 2016 xD there are better slider creation functions or something
20:19 Shiirn: i mean its not even THAT ugly ;_;
20:19 Monstrata: its pretty uneven xd
20:20 Shiirn: hnngggghhh
20:20 Monstrata: I mean like... you can make this slider in the same shape as goww's but you could also make it a better version of his
20:20 Monstrata: you know? lol
20:20 Shiirn: well what would i replace it with except another wave slider and it's a perfectly fine and functional wave slider as it is now its not following a pattern or anything
20:21 Shiirn: i'll try ;_;
20:22 Monstrata: http://puu.sh/mnGSR.jpg
20:22 Monstrata: maybe?
20:22 Monstrata: idk
20:22 Shiirn: i mean
20:23 Shiirn: if it's important enough that you insist it's important enough that i should do it
20:23 Shiirn: i-i-i just need a moment.
20:23 Shiirn: ;_;
20:23 Shiirn: T_T7
20:23 Monstrata: it looks better
20:23 Monstrata: but if you dont want to
20:23 Monstrata: you dont have to change it xP
20:23 Monstrata: its just
20:24 Monstrata: idk. i don't think copying gowww's slider is a good reason
20:24 Monstrata: to keep it from being nicer
20:24 Monstrata: but anyways
20:24 Shiirn: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4290902
20:25 Shiirn: thoughts?
20:25 Shiirn: is that wave slider okay?
20:25 Monstrata: maybe curve the tail sliiightly less
20:25 Shiirn: ...
20:26 Shiirn: it's perfectly rotationally symettrical down to the pixel
20:26 Monstrata: maybe im just being too nazi here cuz i do a lot of sliderart stuff on my maps
20:26 Monstrata: lol
20:26 Monstrata: ahh whatever
20:26 Monstrata: sry lol
20:27 Shiirn: i mean
20:27 Shiirn: it is literally a pixel to the right on the righthand side
20:27 Shiirn: so kudos if you actually noticed that but
20:27 Shiirn: it's done. the gowww slider is dead. You monster. ;_; replaced with wave slider. Anything else?
20:28 Monstrata: lol
20:28 Monstrata: hmm
20:28 Monstrata: still checking
20:28 Monstrata: had to take a break and get some snaks
20:28 Monstrata: lol
20:28 Shiirn: i am aware
20:28 Shiirn: if i suddenly afk
20:28 Shiirn: its because ill be back like 10minutes after that
20:29 Shiirn: that family call
20:29 Monstrata: ok ok
20:29 Monstrata: 03:48:405 (2,3) - This jump is really large tho
20:29 Monstrata: idk what its emphasizing
20:29 Shiirn: i'll move 2 a bit between 1 and 3
20:29 Shiirn: maybe on 4's end
20:29 Shiirn: idk
20:30 Monstrata: 04:08:405 (5,6,7,8) - Also uh, looks like this stream like almost bends upward a bit?
20:31 Shiirn: ...
20:31 Shiirn: how in the fuck...?
20:32 Shiirn: oh, i remember now
20:32 Shiirn: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4290926
20:32 Shiirn: changed it to that
20:32 Monstrata: http://puu.sh/mnHpv.jpg
20:32 Monstrata: lol
20:32 Monstrata: o
20:33 Monstrata: yeee
20:34 Monstrata: 04:19:739 (1,1) - Btw for this like
20:34 Monstrata: http://puu.sh/mnHsN.jpg
20:34 Monstrata: if you just moved it a bit so the outline is clean
20:34 Monstrata: would look really cool
20:34 Shiirn: oh
20:34 Monstrata: imo anyways
20:34 Shiirn: right
20:34 Shiirn: no i agree
20:34 Shiirn: and done
20:37 Monstrata: 05:16:072 (3) - 05:21:405 (3) - 05:26:739 (1) - 05:32:072 (1) -
20:37 Monstrata: Maybe NC the first two
20:37 Monstrata: for consistency
20:37 Monstrata: but that
20:37 Monstrata: should be it hang on
20:38 Shiirn: ok
20:38 Shiirn: nc'd first two
20:40 Shiirn: updated it if you want to re-confirm
20:41 Monstrata: ok
20:41 Monstrata: ugh i wish it dodnt automatically scroll down
20:42 Monstrata: every time i close chat
20:42 Shiirn: sorry ;.;
20:42 Monstrata: lol dw
20:43 Monstrata: 02:30:405 (3,4) - Switch in timeline?
20:43 Monstrata: so the white ticks receive larger spacing
20:43 Shiirn: ...
20:44 Shiirn: you had me switch 2 and 3 already
20:44 Shiirn: ._.
20:44 Monstrata: I didnt explain well sry xP
20:44 Shiirn: but sure
20:44 Monstrata: on my picture i swapped 2 and 3, then 3 an 4
20:44 Monstrata: lol
20:44 Shiirn: i see what you're doing there
20:44 Shiirn: i agree
20:44 Shiirn: oh
20:44 Shiirn: then my fault
20:44 Shiirn: fixed
20:45 *Monstrata is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/871193 onoken - felys]
20:45 Monstrata: lemme just redl
20:45 Monstrata: update
20:45 Shiirn: k
20:45 Monstrata: if you havent yet
20:45 Shiirn: updating
20:46 Monstrata: i'll just do one last check for hitsounds, and if nothing then the map should be 100% objectively rankable
20:46 Shiirn: updated
20:46 Shiirn: soft-sliderwhistle is used on the very last slider and nowhere else
20:46 Shiirn: soft-sliderslide2 is used on the initial sliders in the beginning before the first spinner and nowhere else
20:46 Shiirn: soft-hitclap is a slightly reduced volume normal-hitnormal
20:46 Shiirn: (for reference)
20:47 Monstrata: oh ok
20:47 Monstrata: i meant like checking volume and stuff
20:47 Shiirn: ...
20:47 Monstrata: sometimes ppl randomly add a whistle onto some part with 5% volume
20:47 Shiirn: e-either way works!
20:47 Shiirn: ;A;
20:47 Monstrata: yee
20:48 Shiirn: i used to get
20:48 Shiirn: really nazi on la cataline's ass
20:48 Shiirn: for her soft hitsounds
20:48 Monstrata: lol
20:48 Shiirn: because nobody but me seemed to be able to hear soft-sliderwhitle
20:48 Shiirn: and people would just select an entire slider to put whistles on both ends for soft hitsets
20:48 Shiirn: not realizing it added a soft-sliderwhistle that was really annoying
20:48 Shiirn: =_=
20:49 Shiirn: I MEAN THAT STILL EXISTS. DON'T GET ME WRONG. THAT STILL VERY MUCH EXISTS.
20:49 Shiirn: =_=
20:50 Monstrata: lol
20:50 Monstrata: yea
20:50 Monstrata: xD
20:50 Monstrata: anyways
20:50 Monstrata: looks good
20:51 Monstrata: did you get the metadata checked out?
20:51 Monstrata: o wait
20:51 Monstrata: theres already ranked versions
20:51 Monstrata: yea
20:51 Shiirn: sec
20:51 Shiirn: i mean
20:51 Shiirn: TECHNICALLY speaking it doesnt even need BMS source
20:51 Shiirn: as this is the album version
20:51 Shiirn: but...
20:52 Shiirn: isn't it great to have something with almost blank metadata? O_o
20:55 Monstrata: lol
20:55 Monstrata: lemme just doublecheck lol
20:56 Monstrata: cuz
20:56 Shiirn: no problem
20:56 Monstrata: nowadays metadata is really big
20:56 Monstrata: when maybe just a year ago it wasn't really important
20:56 Shiirn: i mean, i guess.
20:56 Shiirn: there's not much to say about it
20:56 Monstrata: like Tv Size and tv Size are dq'able reasons now
20:56 Shiirn: https://remywiki.com/Kennosuke_Ono
20:57 Monstrata: http://axsword.com/special/swellstrings/
20:57 Monstrata: yea
20:57 Monstrata: should be correct i just wonder about the source
20:57 Monstrata: cuz i dont know BMS
20:57 Shiirn: i mean technically
20:58 Shiirn: it isnt the bms version
20:58 Shiirn: so it isnt FROM bms
20:58 Shiirn: its from swellstrings album i guess?
20:58 Monstrata: yea swell strings album
20:58 Shiirn: but album names arent sources, but tags
20:58 Shiirn: right
20:58 Monstrata: it doesn't have to be the bms version, but as long as the music was part of BMS it should be good
20:58 Monstrata: yea album names are tags
20:59 Shiirn: ok so
20:59 Shiirn: source:bms
20:59 Monstrata: if you decide to add swell strings as tags, maybe add axsword too
20:59 Shiirn: tags: swell strings
20:59 Shiirn: ugh
20:59 Shiirn: ok
20:59 Shiirn: axsword
20:59 Monstrata: alright
20:59 Monstrata: yep
20:59 Monstrata: that should be all