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Title:Perspicuus Aestus
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Thanks for modSkylish wrote:
Thanks again for your GD!
Here are some amendments I would like to make:[General]I added "k" a little.
>OD:5, HP:6
The settings should be at least harder than Muzukashii, right? - That's right. I think that is better a little more difficult.
>The Kiai time of all difficulties should remain the same in order to follow the guidelines of Taiko mapping. Moreover, I do not agree with your Kiai time session: - oh.sorry.
From 00:43:983 (120) - , it is a crossing section from phrase to main theme (chorus). It should not undergo a Kiai.
From 01:04:740 (299) - , it is the solo of the long vocal SE. It is continued from the music before 01:04:740, and remains hyper. There should be a Kiai.
[nyanmi-'s Oni]
> 00:07:010 (6) - change from 'd' to 'k', matching with the pitch of 00:06:524 (5) - and also a better flow. ok
> 00:14:632 (19) - change from 'd' to 'k', matching with the pitch of 00:14:146 (18) - ok
> 00:23:227 (1) - wanna add a Finish? no. I think not pot it's good.
> 00:27:767 (15) - change from 'd' to 'k', mathcing with pitch of 00:28:091 (16) - ok
> 00:32:308 (29) - delete Finish because there is no clear accent. ok
> 01:33:281 (520) - to 01:35:227 (529) - , only onbeat notes should have a Finish, others should delete Finish because the music has emphasized on the accent so much solely, and I think mapper should follow it.
> 01:41:064 (573,574,575,576,577,578,579,580,581) - too odd? any variations?
I just take a glimpse of it and want the others mod yours instead of me since I may input my style to yours. That's not good and not what I want. I will not make any changes until you make a reply.
Thank you~
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22:27 bananannian: heyo~
22:27 Skylish: heyo~
22:27 bananannian: would you like to talk about your Inner Oni more now?
22:27 Skylish: I am free to do so, but do not want to get an IRC mod.
22:28 Skylish: I have made some amendments in the afternoon.
22:28 bananannian: hmm, the best way to communicate is through irc
22:29 bananannian: I don't know if I can tell you what I think well enough in the forum
22:29 bananannian: I guess I can try
22:29 Skylish: well that's fine, just mod in IRC. I can save it into .txt.
22:30 bananannian: it's not really a mod
22:30 bananannian: I don't really want to give it a mod
22:30 bananannian: before we've got a few things clarified
22:30 bananannian: this song is not meant for taiko mapping
22:31 bananannian: ;_;
22:31 Skylish: :(
22:31 *Skylish wanna cry
22:31 bananannian: I tried to map it myself, as I've mentioned, to give you some ideas
22:31 bananannian: I got up to 01:04:740 -
22:32 bananannian: then I can't map any further
22:32 bananannian: at least in a satisfying way
22:32 Skylish: reason behind=? too difficult to map?
22:33 bananannian: the song in the beginning is good for taiko
22:33 bananannian: it offers a lot of variation for different patterns
22:33 bananannian: but then we get to 00:43:983 -
22:34 bananannian: 00:43:983 - to 00:54:362 -
22:34 Skylish: um.
22:34 bananannian: this section is just kinda noisy
22:35 Skylish: well...
22:35 bananannian: we have the drums, the synth melody, and then the sfx in the background
22:35 Skylish: um.
22:35 bananannian: in your inner oni you are trying to get the rhythm to match the sfx right?
22:35 Skylish: yes.
22:35 Skylish: obviously.
22:36 bananannian: the problem is, it's not very audible
22:36 bananannian: compared to the melody and the drums it's just... sort of quiet noise
22:36 bananannian: you broke it down into complicated plets
22:37 bananannian: like, 3-2-4
22:38 Skylish: **I probably nurture a 'bad or good' habit in my previous music life. I often focus on the BG more than the prominent part. I am checking my pattern. from00:43:983 (156) -
22:38 bananannian: the problem is, it is hard even for me to tell if these plets match the music or not
22:38 bananannian: what about the player?
22:39 bananannian: that's what I mean about the sfx being not very audible is a problem
22:40 bananannian: if they cannot hear what the notes are there for
22:40 Skylish: It comes to the issue of the function of Taiko.
22:40 bananannian: they'd just think it's random
22:40 Skylish: What does it for? Is Taiko for the BG/ the prominent part?
22:40 bananannian: and this problem is made worse by you using a LOT of different patterns
22:41 bananannian: and so it looks even more random
22:41 Skylish: LOL checking .
22:41 bananannian: I'm not against matching the sfx btw
22:42 bananannian: however, I think in this scenario you should use rhythm to match it, and not note color
22:42 bananannian: you like k for high pitch
22:42 bananannian: so use k to match the melody, perhaps
22:42 Skylish: um good observation.
22:42 Skylish: further checking.
22:43 bananannian: by "using rhythm to match it" I mean gap filling
22:43 bananannian: arghhhhh this is hard
22:43 bananannian: do you want to see my version of an inner oni?
22:43 bananannian: that I gave up halfway on? :P
22:44 Skylish: sure, for my ref. ** listening to the music in 0.8X
22:45 bananannian: http://puu.sh/mXWMh/7294663e03.osu
22:45 Skylish: okay, let me go back to the topic of concerning the following of sfx or rhythm.
22:45 Skylish: wait.
22:47 bananannian: do you know how to import that text file?
22:47 Skylish: yes.
22:48 bananannian: nice! :)
22:48 Skylish: I am looking through your map. Please wait, but I want to continue my words later on, about the following of sfx or rhythm.
22:49 Skylish: I stop til 00:54:362 (328) -
22:50 Skylish: b4 I make any comments on your map, go back to my previous topic first.
22:50 bananannian: go on
22:50 Skylish: 先講點解我想係00:43:983 (231) - 跟SFX
22:51 Skylish: 本身SFX成首野都有，係得00:43:983 (231) - 個位，本身高音位落左幾個intervals，而SFX冇變.
22:51 Skylish: 令到SFX比之前硬加明顯.
22:51 bananannian: wait are we talking about different sfx?
22:52 Skylish: 之前的意思是指: 00:33:605 (173) -
22:52 Skylish: ?_?
22:52 bananannian: like, the tinkling noise in the background, right?
22:53 Skylish: 'the base'
22:54 Skylish: I don't know how to express that sound.
22:55 Skylish: 總之不是main theme，而是後面的背景音效
22:56 bananannian: ok, continue
22:56 Skylish: are we talking on the same point and the same issue = =?
22:56 Skylish: good.
22:56 bananannian: hang on, you updated your map?
22:56 Skylish: ** 令到SFX更加明顯
22:57 Skylish: yes, just a little bit difference. after 01:04
22:57 Skylish: and the audio vol. setting.
22:57 bananannian: ok
22:57 bananannian: I understand your wish to express the sfx after 00:43:983 -
22:58 bananannian: the problem is, how would you do that?
22:59 Skylish: 嗯。具體做法就是我的MAP了... 個人來說，SFX 真係好明顯mask左main theme.
22:59 Skylish: from 00:43:983 (156) - to 00:54:362 (1) -
23:00 Skylish: 所以我成段個結構基本上跟足SFX再加上自己一些額外音上去。
23:01 Skylish: 而且main theme仲要連續三次一樣，好悶.
23:02 bananannian: that was my problem with mapping it lol
23:02 bananannian: it repeats the same thing a bunch of times :\
23:02 Skylish: lol I know, this is one of my point in my comment on your difficulty :P
23:02 bananannian: ok, since your map has been updated, the part where I originally thought was messy
23:03 bananannian: is actually ok now :)
23:03 Skylish: 矣?
23:03 Skylish: 我好似冇改到00:43:983 (156) - 打後的notes啊.
23:04 bananannian: how many times did you update the map these 3 days?
23:04 bananannian: it's much different from the original one
23:04 Skylish: at least 4 times, really? - -
23:05 Skylish: 我只大改左頭廿三秒咋... 差咁遠?-0 0
23:05 bananannian: lol what?
23:05 Skylish: 後面都係修改一下1/6 pattern.
23:05 bananannian: well I guess I have been convinced
23:05 bananannian: lol
23:06 Skylish: lol? /me confused
23:06 *Skylish confused a lot right now.
23:06 Skylish: Just make sure you are on the latest ver.
23:06 Skylish: You can see Nyanmi-'s Oni.
23:06 bananannian: I could have sworn it was MUCH different lol
23:06 Skylish: Then that's the latest.
23:08 Skylish: 起馬中間的43s to 54s 係冇改過.
23:08 bananannian: did you change after 54?
23:09 Skylish: 現時的版本都係做到有D一舊舊二舊舊咁... 要再改。 * YES
23:09 Skylish: The Kiai part was changed in a certain extent...
23:09 bananannian: well the part that I thought was messy is the original kiai
23:09 bananannian: which you modified
23:10 bananannian: oh no wait
23:10 bananannian: wtf =="
23:10 Skylish: but still not enhanced in the greatest extent, * or you mess up sth? - -
23:10 bananannian: am I drunk or something ._.
23:11 Skylish: WTH?_)?
23:11 Skylish: too busy workload in APA XP? Okay what's going on? - -
23:11 bananannian: idk what I did lol
23:11 bananannian: this map looks a lot different from when I first looked at it
23:11 bananannian: a lot better ;)
23:11 Skylish: briefly describe the situation.
23:12 bananannian: are you sure you didn't change much?
23:12 Skylish: dude, I made very minor changes and I DO NOT believe that they will make a great change to the whole music.
23:12 Skylish: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:12 Skylish: OMFG
23:12 bananannian: lol this is hilarious
23:12 bananannian: I might have had a stroke or something
23:12 Skylish: I am speechless right now. LOL let me laugh a while.
23:12 bananannian: what the hell man
23:12 bananannian: I just updated it once
23:12 bananannian: just now
23:13 Skylish: I will give you my updated record. plz wait. ** F that ppy crash down again.
23:13 bananannian: well, I'd say it's between "ok" and "good"
23:13 bananannian: still room for improvement
23:13 bananannian: but I can actually mod it now
23:13 Skylish: but not excellent =wasted. * Yeah, I know.
23:13 bananannian: so sorry for all the trouble
23:13 bananannian: I'll do a mod of it lol
23:14 Skylish: it's fine, just clarify the thing clear is alright.
23:14 bananannian: and for the record, about the sfx situation
23:14 Skylish: I am going to prove that I REALLY have made very minor changes within these days. * Yes go on plz.
23:14 bananannian: from 00:43:983 - onwards I did follow sfx in my map too
23:14 Skylish: http://puu.sh/mXZ9E/d91ddf1800.png that's all.
23:15 Skylish: 00:43:983 (231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243) - are obvious, but for others, not really.
23:16 bananannian: however, I think I only used d as a gap filler
23:16 Skylish: probably since 00:46:254 (251,252,253,254) - mix up with the main theme. In the whole view, it is acceptable.
23:16 bananannian: and not many k's
23:16 Skylish: I catch this point, too.
23:17 bananannian: the k's in mine mainly match the melody
23:17 bananannian: except in cases where it would play better for there to be a k there
23:17 Skylish: yes, I figure it out
23:18 bananannian: e.g. 00:47:470 (262) - this one
23:18 bananannian: if I were to fully match the melody I would move this forward by 1/4
23:18 bananannian: to 00:47:389 -
23:18 Skylish: * that's backward.
23:18 bananannian: and it actually plays better if I move it to there
23:19 bananannian: backwards, yes, sorry ^^
23:19 bananannian: however I tried to do what you did
23:19 bananannian: and match the sfx
23:19 bananannian: ...and I do not like it
23:19 Skylish: The feel at 00:47:389 (262) - is better, really.
23:20 bananannian: same thing goes for 00:44:875 (238) and 00:45:524 (244) -
23:20 bananannian: both were originally 1/4 backwards
23:20 bananannian: but I tried to move it forward to match the synth
23:21 bananannian: ...and I don't like it
23:21 bananannian: so, after 00:54:362 - I did not purposefully try to match the synth
23:22 Skylish: I figured that my Inner Oni has the same situation ( I mean those notes on the same timeline are k.)
23:22 bananannian: yup, you do
23:22 bananannian: it might be worthwhile for you
23:23 bananannian: to try out not matching synth
23:23 bananannian: like me trying out matching synth in my map
23:23 bananannian: (I mean the sfx)
23:23 bananannian: (god my brain just doesn't work today lmao)
23:24 bananannian: anyways, if you decide to keep with the complex rhythm for the purpose of matching synth
23:24 bananannian: 1. it's ok :)
23:24 bananannian: 2. it plays more INTERESTING, but not necessarily BETTER
23:25 Skylish: I would like to match with the SFX in 00:43:983 (156) - !
23:25 Skylish: not the synth ( the melody)!
23:25 bananannian: 3. it may be confusing for players as they might not be able to hear sufficient musical support for the notes they're playing
23:25 bananannian: LOL I MEANTH SFX
23:25 bananannian: MEANT* jesus christ
23:26 Skylish: ok roger. But, 00:54:362 (1) - here.
23:26 bananannian: ...maybe I should sleep
23:26 Skylish: I want to follow back the main theme as it is Kiai session.
23:27 Skylish: And you can see that in 01:04:740 (92) - owwards.
23:27 Skylish: the patterns are following melody. * hey at this moment I come up with a mind.
23:27 Skylish: Just let 00:54:362 (1) - be matching with the BG, until a more hyper melody in 01:04:740 (92) -
23:28 Skylish: What do you think? Did your mind get blown up today?- - This Sat!
23:28 Skylish: * This is Sat! :)
23:28 Skylish: * The 3 major concerns are beard in mind.
23:29 bananannian: sure!
23:30 bananannian: question:
23:30 bananannian: 01:06:037 (102,103,104,105,106,107) -
23:30 Skylish: alright I will mark it down in this (savelog) * um?
23:30 bananannian: is it matching sfx or synth?
23:30 bananannian: I assume
23:31 bananannian: because there is no melody there, you've decided to basically switch channel to sfx?
23:31 Skylish: in case the melody are in a long one, without any suppory.
23:31 Skylish: *BG support
23:32 Skylish: I will just switch to SFX.
23:32 bananannian: how about 01:07:983 (120,121,122,123,124,125) -
23:32 bananannian: ?
23:32 Skylish: Just follow the prominent music ( due to Kiai)
23:33 Skylish: offbeat melody patterns (doubting)
23:34 Skylish: while this is a replica of 01:05:875 (101,102,103,104,105,106,107) -
23:35 bananannian: I don't think it's a replica lol
23:35 bananannian: only the rhythm is similar
23:36 bananannian: anyways, my point is, you've been switching channels from melody to sfx frequently
23:36 bananannian: although this is ok in many circumstances
23:36 bananannian: because you just mentioned that you want to have the part before this "hyper" melody following the sfx
23:36 bananannian: and this section following the synth melody
23:36 bananannian: I think if you made it EVEN more obvious what you're doing
23:37 Skylish: slightly different, truely. I slapped my face :(
23:37 bananannian: by eliminating all dublet/quadruplet
23:37 Skylish: what does' it ' stand for?
23:37 bananannian: in this section
23:37 Skylish: ok go on.
23:37 bananannian: if you made your idea of switching channels at this "hyper melody" section
23:37 bananannian: it = your idea
23:38 bananannian: so, if you change all the parts where you use 2 or 4-plet rhythm
23:38 bananannian: to a simpler triplets or 5-plets
23:39 bananannian: it would be more obvious to modders AND players what your idea is
23:39 bananannian: HOWEVER
23:39 bananannian: it would make the kiai pretty boring
23:39 Skylish: um.
23:40 bananannian: I think you could make both work
23:41 Skylish: I agree with you. Here sth I concern:
23:41 Skylish: 1. I am slapping myself at the 3rd kiai.
23:42 bananannian: what do you mean by that exactly? ^.^
23:43 Skylish: 2. The 2or4- plet rhythm in the session where I want to follow the melody, does not cause a huge contradiction between the previous one ( I mean 00:43:983 (156) - )
23:43 Skylish: For the 1., you can see that my 3rd kiai ( I am going to it).
23:44 Skylish: In this whole part, the patterns are in a chaos, and the notes are not matching at all, neither SFX nor melody.
23:44 *Skylish slap my face twice in the same time.
23:45 Skylish: get it clean and clear?
23:45 bananannian: well easy solution, if you don't like it, delete everything and try again
23:46 Skylish: 3. IT IS VERY HARD TO MAP . * I may remap the 3rd kiai session.
23:46 Skylish: This is a pessimistic way to deal with a difficult problem.
23:46 Skylish: Knock it down! :P
23:46 bananannian: unfortunately I don't think the third kiai is any different from the 1st or 2nd lol
23:47 bananannian: it's fine as is
23:47 Skylish: 連續狂用2-4連音，因為當中幾乎只有長音。
23:47 Skylish: 前兩次KIAI都冇.
23:48 Skylish: 撞音都死得人多啦-,-
23:48 Skylish: 兩頭唔到岸，忌!
23:48 bananannian: 01:30:281 (42) - move 1/4 backwards and k
23:48 Skylish: change it to k?
23:49 bananannian: perhaps
23:49 bananannian: 01:28:578 (27,28,29,30) - kd dk
23:49 Skylish: trying.
23:49 bananannian: 01:31:335 (52,53,54,55,56) - ddkdk
23:50 bananannian: that's basically the stuff I'd change
23:50 bananannian: to make it a bit better
23:51 Skylish: still changing ur 2nd order.
23:53 Skylish: reject this order due to anti-boring pattern.
23:53 Skylish: trying on the 3rd one.
23:55 bananannian: 01:28:578 (27,28,29,30) - hmm, what are you matching?
23:55 bananannian: the sfx is gone in the third kiai
23:55 bananannian: so you can either match melody or synth or drums
23:55 bananannian: melody is holding a long note here
23:55 Skylish: 3rd arrangement is accpted. It can form a mirror pattern of 01:31:983 (58,59,60,61,62) -
23:56 Skylish: wait, checking on it.
23:56 bananannian: you don't seem to like matching drums at all
23:56 bananannian: (which is fine ^^)
23:56 bananannian: so the only thing left is the synth
23:56 *Skylish cannot withstand too many things at the same time.
23:56 Skylish: wait a moment.
23:57 *bananannian is sorry D:
23:58 Skylish: I run up to a problem at
23:58 Skylish: 01:28:578 (27,28,29,30) -
23:59 Skylish: I don't really know what I want to express in these notes. Still in a chaos situation in the 3rd Kiai. It is necessary to clarify my purpose right now, before I move on to the issue of whether I match with the drum.
23:59 bananannian: well, do you hear the bell-like synth in the background while the melody has that long note?
00:00 Skylish: * my purpose in 3rd Kiai.
00:00 bananannian: ok, so to clarify from before
00:00 bananannian: 1st kiai is matching sfx
00:00 bananannian: also the section before the 1st kiai is also matching sfx
00:01 bananannian: 2nd kiai is matching melody
00:01 Skylish: * I cannot answer ur previous Q., I cannot hear anything bell-like. * Ok, let me think a while....
00:02 bananannian: do you see why this map is hard to map? :(
00:02 bananannian: 00:43:983 - after this it's basically the same thing x4
00:03 bananannian: no wait, x6
00:03 Skylish: yes.
00:03 Skylish: Kiai session should be divided from the normal one.
00:03 Skylish: X4+X2
00:03 Skylish: I would say so.
00:04 bananannian: so at times like this, when an entire section is repeating itself
00:04 bananannian: you can do a couple of things to make it interesting
00:04 bananannian: 1. map to different channels
00:04 Skylish: um.
00:04 Skylish: go on.
00:04 bananannian: and it's ok to choose the same channel for different sections
00:05 bananannian: third kiai, you could just do the same thing as in the 2nd kiai again
00:06 bananannian: because there's also another thing you could do to make it interesting
00:06 Skylish: deciding, I am considering the session after 3rd Kiai.
00:06 bananannian: which is density
00:06 bananannian: note density
00:06 Skylish: DENSITY!!!!! I mess this up very much before.
00:07 bananannian: but unfortunately your kiais are very dense already ^^
00:08 bananannian: it would maybe be a bit overdone if you increase the density even higher in the third kiai
00:08 Skylish: Okay I have my decision on 3rd Kiai now. I would like to follow the melody with construction of 3 and5 - plets, for letting the player get prepared for the later on stream.
00:08 Skylish: 'Mess' can be overdone or the other side.
00:08 bananannian: ok, 3 and 5-plets
00:09 bananannian: btw, 2nd kiai, did you get rid of all the double/quadruple rhythm?
00:09 *Skylish is marking it down the purposes.
00:09 *bananannian thinks you picked the wrong song for your first map.
00:09 Skylish: 01:09:929 (136) - Look at here.
00:10 Skylish: this is different from the other parts in 2nd Kiai,
00:10 Skylish: from 01:09:929 (136) - to01:15:118 (183) -
00:10 *Skylish knew it and he did not regret to do so because he is just a damn brave nut.
00:11 bananannian: 01:17:227 (201) - k
00:11 Skylish: fixed
00:12 bananannian: 01:05:389 (96,97,98,99,100) - I find it strange that this is how you match the melody
00:13 bananannian: for me, 01:05:551 (98,100,101) - would be all k
00:13 Skylish: Some modders advise me to make a map of a music of TV size first. My facial expression=:$ * checking .
00:13 bananannian: 01:05:389 (96,97,98,99,100) - would be ddkdk
00:13 bananannian: if you want to keep the 5-plet
00:15 Skylish: maybe I should follow the rhythm of 01:15:118 (183) - to 01:16:091 (191) - in the timeline of 01:04:740 (92) - to01:05:875 (101) - ?
00:16 bananannian: perhaps
00:17 bananannian: either way, the 3 k's are how I would match the melody
00:17 bananannian: 01:16:254 (191) - this would be k too
00:17 Skylish: I have followed your changes, but I do not feel sth special. * trying my way of changing 01:05:389 (96,97,98,99,100) -
00:19 bananannian: anyways, these details doesn't matter
00:19 bananannian: get them polished with mods
00:20 Skylish: I am yet to ready for being modded again, the situation in 3rd Kiai has not been fixed at all.
00:21 Skylish: At least I am not satisfying with that.
00:21 bananannian: have you decided on what to do in the third kiai?
00:22 Skylish: yes, I have mentioned that in the previous dialogue.
00:22 bananannian: then it's good :)
00:22 Skylish: here it is: following melody, with 3and5-plets, for the preparation for the later on stream
00:22 Skylish: then how about any comment on the stream? (after 3rd Kiai)
00:22 bananannian: and the final section is the streams
00:23 bananannian: they're bad
00:24 Skylish: good to hear that, so that I can make amendments completely.
00:24 Skylish: why bad? how baD?
00:25 bananannian: hmmm
00:25 bananannian: one thing is they're just too long
00:26 bananannian: and the placement of the stream itself is inconsistent
00:26 bananannian: one stream here: 01:36:037 -
00:26 bananannian: one stream here:
00:26 bananannian: 01:37:173 -
00:27 bananannian: no stream from here 01:38:470 - to here 01:39:767 -
00:28 bananannian: I'd suggest break the first really long one apart here: 01:42:443 (85) -
00:28 Skylish: WTF had I made before? they are crappy :( ...
00:28 bananannian: I can accept the second one being that long since it's the climax at the very end
00:28 Skylish: go on plz.
00:29 bananannian: and then for the NOTES in the streams
00:29 bananannian: messy.
00:29 bananannian: lots of switch hands rhythm
00:30 bananannian: which are not supported well by the music because the sfx is pretty quiet here
00:30 Skylish: ** Frankly speaking, this part was made when I was a real NOOB, and those notes are not considered well.
00:30 Skylish: so what should I follow? free composing ?
00:30 bananannian: I'd rather you map these streams with respect to the melody
00:31 bananannian: let me try ;)
00:31 Skylish: alright~
00:32 Skylish: oh, here's a reminder: I must end this up at 0100, I have to do a very heavy housework in the morning.
00:34 bananannian: http://puu.sh/mY3in/9d2672dcb9.jpg
00:34 bananannian: my style is to keep onbeat d, offbeat k
00:34 Skylish: adopting.
00:34 bananannian: the bpm is high enough that simple ddkkddkk is interesting
00:35 bananannian: 01:39:200 - why not add a note?
00:36 bananannian: keep the density high throughout
00:38 Skylish: better streams now. looking at the timing pt you mentioned.
00:38 bananannian: and the last few streams I trust you can make yourself
00:39 bananannian: mapping streams:
00:39 bananannian: pitch mapping is the simplest
00:40 bananannian: but it might not play well
00:40 bananannian: or sound good, for that matter
00:40 Skylish: the last long note is so free, this method is not applicable in all circumstances.
00:40 bananannian: for me, I try to think of a way to "lead" towards the last note
00:41 bananannian: it's hard to explain as it's a personal style
00:41 Skylish: 你意思指帶去收尾?
00:43 bananannian: http://puu.sh/mY3N6/520422a19a.jpg
00:43 Skylish: adopting.
00:44 bananannian: 01:43:659 (98,99,100,101,102,103,104) - is just simple onbeat d offbeat k
00:44 bananannian: 01:44:308 (105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112) - is a pattern that plays nicely
00:45 bananannian: and it does match the music well
00:45 bananannian: 01:44:956 (113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120) - repeat
00:46 bananannian: since we have the same small phrase in the melody
00:46 bananannian: and everything else stays the same, I thought it'd be a nice structure
00:46 bananannian: 01:45:605 (121,122,123,124,125,126,127) - kkk at the end to lead to the last note
00:48 Skylish: this stream is so good and I don't want to change it anymore-,-
00:48 Skylish: really does match the very weak melody behind the super prominent long note.
00:48 Skylish: *match with
00:49 bananannian: it is a very hard stream, so you might get complaints about difficulty spikes
00:50 bananannian: I've said it before, but personally I don't like this last long stream
00:50 bananannian: it's too long for my taste
00:50 bananannian: but it plays well imo :l
00:51 Skylish: LOL this is meaningless to 大神。* Inner Oni, just let it be a very long stream at the end.
00:51 bananannian: it is kinda meaningless LOL
00:51 bananannian: anyways the entire point of this discussion
00:51 bananannian: and why I talked to you through irc and not forum
00:51 Skylish: ikr.
00:51 bananannian: was because I wanted to know what was your idea for each section
00:52 bananannian: and part of your style
00:52 bananannian: and so now I know that, I can get to the specifics
00:52 bananannian: (if you want me to)
00:52 Skylish: good mentor~ are you a pro. = =?
00:52 bananannian: (later, not today)
00:52 bananannian: hehe I like teaching people stuff
00:53 Skylish: Let me make rephrase my Inner Oni first. I've got a mod from the thread by iloveu4ever.
00:53 Skylish: I will also consider his opinion.
00:53 bananannian: alright
00:54 Skylish: Thanks in advance!! :)
00:54 *Skylish want to give more kudosu! but he cannot!:(
I know English well and please do not treat me like a retard :\iloveyou4ever wrote:
Sorry for late modding
Mark with '?' is questionable
[General]
the fewer the notes,the higher the hp
you can check the ranked map https://osu.ppy.sh/b/808290&m=1
Kantan I suggest change to hp 7/8
Futsuu 6/7
etc...
Inner Oni may change to hp 6
01:50:794 - remove this x1,the map is already ended
> Fixed as below:
Kantan HP=8
Futsuu HP=7
Muzu HP=6
Inner Oni=5
Timing Point of 01:50:794 is removed.
[Futsuu]
00:11:713 - change to d? > ok
00:15:443 - a bit low pitch,I suggest change to d > ok
00:16:416 - ^ > ok
00:20:308 - add a note here > add k then
00:41:875 - change to k > ok
01:08:794 - change to d? > no, it's an emphasized offbeat.
01:44:308 - change to K,I think K K K K K will be more suitable > ok
01:45:605 - ^ > ok
[Muzukashii]
I think the difficulty spread(難度分佈)is a bit uneven
You could think to increase the difficulty of muzukashii
** I have change a majority of the pattern, based on my initial idea and your ref. Increasing density (esp. in Kiai) and enhancing the pattern.**
00:08:146 - change to d > ok
00:40:416 - maybe add d here? > add d
00:43:010 - add d here > alright, I add d here because I want to make a trending to the next phrase. However, I did not follow all of it because your change will ruin my style (being porous from 00:38:794 (92) - to 00:43:983 (114) - )
00:43:335 - move this d to 00:43:659 > see the above, rejected.
01:17:389 - the slider should end at 第四拍? > careless mistake... fixed
01:19:983 - ^ > same ^
01:27:118 - swap this and next note(紅藍調轉) > ctrl+G of 01:27:118 (9,10) - is needed.
01:33:281 - high pitch,consider to change to K > nope, D is fine.
01:46:091 - add k here > adpoted
01:46:254 - change to D > adopted
[Inner Oni]
00:05:794 - remove this > see below
00:05:794 - change to d > yes, nice one.
00:11:794 - change to d > ok, it sounds less messy.
00:14:551 - remove this > yeah this can make the patterns become consistent
00:14:632 - change to d > yeah, following the consistency of other difficulties.
00:22:497 - listen slowly,it's low pitch then others,consider to change to d > nice one~ I used to focus on the increasing intervals but neglect the small differences of it between other neighbouring notes!
00:32:794 - 1/6 sound is here,change like this http://puu.sh/mY1Zt.jpg > In my latest ver., there's a 1/6 beats' pattern.
00:51:200 - change to k > yes, it is a better pattern now.
01:13:416 - add d here,change next note to k > I change the pattern, to make the stream become consistent.
01:25:010 - change to d > fine!
01:33:281 - change to K > rejected, see the reason in Muzu.
01:39:362 - remove this? > For the final part after the 3rd Kiai, I need to re-map.
01:41:227 - You should consider and check the red or blue notes in this stream,some of them don't fit the music
01:43:821 - ^
Nice song but I think the organisation could be improved
but consider the first map this is already very well
Getting just few more mods can get your map buubled I think
Good luch with DSE and rank
I will extract some useful points and post them in the front page, to let the modders know what is going on with my Inner Oni. ( also for a nice reminder for me to re-map it.)bananannian wrote:
something22:27 bananannian: heyo~
22:27 Skylish: heyo~
22:27 bananannian: would you like to talk about your Inner Oni more now?
22:27 Skylish: I am free to do so, but do not want to get an IRC mod.
22:28 Skylish: I have made some amendments in the afternoon.
22:28 bananannian: hmm, the best way to communicate is through irc
22:29 bananannian: I don't know if I can tell you what I think well enough in the forum
22:29 bananannian: I guess I can try
22:29 Skylish: well that's fine, just mod in IRC. I can save it into .txt.
22:30 bananannian: it's not really a mod
22:30 bananannian: I don't really want to give it a mod
22:30 bananannian: before we've got a few things clarified
22:30 bananannian: this song is not meant for taiko mapping
22:31 bananannian: ;_;
22:31 Skylish: :(
22:31 *Skylish wanna cry
22:31 bananannian: I tried to map it myself, as I've mentioned, to give you some ideas
22:31 bananannian: I got up to 01:04:740 -
22:32 bananannian: then I can't map any further
22:32 bananannian: at least in a satisfying way
22:32 Skylish: reason behind=? too difficult to map?
22:33 bananannian: the song in the beginning is good for taiko
22:33 bananannian: it offers a lot of variation for different patterns
22:33 bananannian: but then we get to 00:43:983 -
22:34 bananannian: 00:43:983 - to 00:54:362 -
22:34 Skylish: um.
22:34 bananannian: this section is just kinda noisy
22:35 Skylish: well...
22:35 bananannian: we have the drums, the synth melody, and then the sfx in the background
22:35 Skylish: um.
22:35 bananannian: in your inner oni you are trying to get the rhythm to match the sfx right?
22:35 Skylish: yes.
22:35 Skylish: obviously.
22:36 bananannian: the problem is, it's not very audible
22:36 bananannian: compared to the melody and the drums it's just... sort of quiet noise
22:36 bananannian: you broke it down into complicated plets
22:37 bananannian: like, 3-2-4
22:38 Skylish: **I probably nurture a 'bad or good' habit in my previous music life. I often focus on the BG more than the prominent part. I am checking my pattern. from00:43:983 (156) -
22:38 bananannian: the problem is, it is hard even for me to tell if these plets match the music or not
22:38 bananannian: what about the player?
22:39 bananannian: that's what I mean about the sfx being not very audible is a problem
22:40 bananannian: if they cannot hear what the notes are there for
22:40 Skylish: It comes to the issue of the function of Taiko.
22:40 bananannian: they'd just think it's random
22:40 Skylish: What does it for? Is Taiko for the BG/ the prominent part?
22:40 bananannian: and this problem is made worse by you using a LOT of different patterns
22:41 bananannian: and so it looks even more random
22:41 Skylish: LOL checking .
22:41 bananannian: I'm not against matching the sfx btw
22:42 bananannian: however, I think in this scenario you should use rhythm to match it, and not note color
22:42 bananannian: you like k for high pitch
22:42 bananannian: so use k to match the melody, perhaps
22:42 Skylish: um good observation.
22:42 Skylish: further checking.
22:43 bananannian: by "using rhythm to match it" I mean gap filling
22:43 bananannian: arghhhhh this is hard
22:43 bananannian: do you want to see my version of an inner oni?
22:43 bananannian: that I gave up halfway on? :P
22:44 Skylish: sure, for my ref. ** listening to the music in 0.8X
22:45 bananannian: http://puu.sh/mXWMh/7294663e03.osu
22:45 Skylish: okay, let me go back to the topic of concerning the following of sfx or rhythm.
22:45 Skylish: wait.
22:47 bananannian: do you know how to import that text file?
22:47 Skylish: yes.
22:48 bananannian: nice! :)
22:48 Skylish: I am looking through your map. Please wait, but I want to continue my words later on, about the following of sfx or rhythm.
22:49 Skylish: I stop til 00:54:362 (328) -
22:50 Skylish: b4 I make any comments on your map, go back to my previous topic first.
22:50 bananannian: go on
22:50 Skylish: 先講點解我想係00:43:983 (231) - 跟SFX
22:51 Skylish: 本身SFX成首野都有，係得00:43:983 (231) - 個位，本身高音位落左幾個intervals，而SFX冇變.
22:51 Skylish: 令到SFX比之前硬加明顯.
22:51 bananannian: wait are we talking about different sfx?
22:52 Skylish: 之前的意思是指: 00:33:605 (173) -
22:52 Skylish: ?_?
22:52 bananannian: like, the tinkling noise in the background, right?
22:53 Skylish: 'the base'
22:54 Skylish: I don't know how to express that sound.
22:55 Skylish: 總之不是main theme，而是後面的背景音效
22:56 bananannian: ok, continue
22:56 Skylish: are we talking on the same point and the same issue = =?
22:56 Skylish: good.
22:56 bananannian: hang on, you updated your map?
22:56 Skylish: ** 令到SFX更加明顯
22:57 Skylish: yes, just a little bit difference. after 01:04
22:57 Skylish: and the audio vol. setting.
22:57 bananannian: ok
22:57 bananannian: I understand your wish to express the sfx after 00:43:983 -
22:58 bananannian: the problem is, how would you do that?
22:59 Skylish: 嗯。具體做法就是我的MAP了... 個人來說，SFX 真係好明顯mask左main theme.
22:59 Skylish: from 00:43:983 (156) - to 00:54:362 (1) -
23:00 Skylish: 所以我成段個結構基本上跟足SFX再加上自己一些額外音上去。
23:01 Skylish: 而且main theme仲要連續三次一樣，好悶.
23:02 bananannian: that was my problem with mapping it lol
23:02 bananannian: it repeats the same thing a bunch of times :\
23:02 Skylish: lol I know, this is one of my point in my comment on your difficulty :P
23:02 bananannian: ok, since your map has been updated, the part where I originally thought was messy
23:03 bananannian: is actually ok now :)
23:03 Skylish: 矣?
23:03 Skylish: 我好似冇改到00:43:983 (156) - 打後的notes啊.
23:04 bananannian: how many times did you update the map these 3 days?
23:04 bananannian: it's much different from the original one
23:04 Skylish: at least 4 times, really? - -
23:05 Skylish: 我只大改左頭廿三秒咋... 差咁遠?-0 0
23:05 bananannian: lol what?
23:05 Skylish: 後面都係修改一下1/6 pattern.
23:05 bananannian: well I guess I have been convinced
23:05 bananannian: lol
23:06 Skylish: lol? /me confused
23:06 *Skylish confused a lot right now.
23:06 Skylish: Just make sure you are on the latest ver.
23:06 Skylish: You can see Nyanmi-'s Oni.
23:06 bananannian: I could have sworn it was MUCH different lol
23:06 Skylish: Then that's the latest.
23:08 Skylish: 起馬中間的43s to 54s 係冇改過.
23:08 bananannian: did you change after 54?
23:09 Skylish: 現時的版本都係做到有D一舊舊二舊舊咁... 要再改。 * YES
23:09 Skylish: The Kiai part was changed in a certain extent...
23:09 bananannian: well the part that I thought was messy is the original kiai
23:09 bananannian: which you modified
23:10 bananannian: oh no wait
23:10 bananannian: wtf =="
23:10 Skylish: but still not enhanced in the greatest extent, * or you mess up sth? - -
23:10 bananannian: am I drunk or something ._.
23:11 Skylish: WTH?_)?
23:11 Skylish: too busy workload in APA XP? Okay what's going on? - -
23:11 bananannian: idk what I did lol
23:11 bananannian: this map looks a lot different from when I first looked at it
23:11 bananannian: a lot better ;)
23:11 Skylish: briefly describe the situation.
23:12 bananannian: are you sure you didn't change much?
23:12 Skylish: dude, I made very minor changes and I DO NOT believe that they will make a great change to the whole music.
23:12 Skylish: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:12 Skylish: OMFG
23:12 bananannian: lol this is hilarious
23:12 bananannian: I might have had a stroke or something
23:12 Skylish: I am speechless right now. LOL let me laugh a while.
23:12 bananannian: what the hell man
23:12 bananannian: I just updated it once
23:12 bananannian: just now
23:13 Skylish: I will give you my updated record. plz wait. ** F that ppy crash down again.
23:13 bananannian: well, I'd say it's between "ok" and "good"
23:13 bananannian: still room for improvement
23:13 bananannian: but I can actually mod it now
23:13 Skylish: but not excellent =wasted. * Yeah, I know.
23:13 bananannian: so sorry for all the trouble
23:13 bananannian: I'll do a mod of it lol
23:14 Skylish: it's fine, just clarify the thing clear is alright.
23:14 bananannian: and for the record, about the sfx situation
23:14 Skylish: I am going to prove that I REALLY have made very minor changes within these days. * Yes go on plz.
23:14 bananannian: from 00:43:983 - onwards I did follow sfx in my map too
23:14 Skylish: http://puu.sh/mXZ9E/d91ddf1800.png that's all.
23:15 Skylish: 00:43:983 (231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243) - are obvious, but for others, not really.
23:16 bananannian: however, I think I only used d as a gap filler
23:16 Skylish: probably since 00:46:254 (251,252,253,254) - mix up with the main theme. In the whole view, it is acceptable.
23:16 bananannian: and not many k's
23:16 Skylish: I catch this point, too.
23:17 bananannian: the k's in mine mainly match the melody
23:17 bananannian: except in cases where it would play better for there to be a k there
23:17 Skylish: yes, I figure it out
23:18 bananannian: e.g. 00:47:470 (262) - this one
23:18 bananannian: if I were to fully match the melody I would move this forward by 1/4
23:18 bananannian: to 00:47:389 -
23:18 Skylish: * that's backward.
23:18 bananannian: and it actually plays better if I move it to there
23:19 bananannian: backwards, yes, sorry ^^
23:19 bananannian: however I tried to do what you did
23:19 bananannian: and match the sfx
23:19 bananannian: ...and I do not like it
23:19 Skylish: The feel at 00:47:389 (262) - is better, really.
23:20 bananannian: same thing goes for 00:44:875 (238) and 00:45:524 (244) -
23:20 bananannian: both were originally 1/4 backwards
23:20 bananannian: but I tried to move it forward to match the synth
23:21 bananannian: ...and I don't like it
23:21 bananannian: so, after 00:54:362 - I did not purposefully try to match the synth
23:22 Skylish: I figured that my Inner Oni has the same situation ( I mean those notes on the same timeline are k.)
23:22 bananannian: yup, you do
23:22 bananannian: it might be worthwhile for you
23:23 bananannian: to try out not matching synth
23:23 bananannian: like me trying out matching synth in my map
23:23 bananannian: (I mean the sfx)
23:23 bananannian: (god my brain just doesn't work today lmao)
23:24 bananannian: anyways, if you decide to keep with the complex rhythm for the purpose of matching synth
23:24 bananannian: 1. it's ok :)
23:24 bananannian: 2. it plays more INTERESTING, but not necessarily BETTER
23:25 Skylish: I would like to match with the SFX in 00:43:983 (156) - !
23:25 Skylish: not the synth ( the melody)!
23:25 bananannian: 3. it may be confusing for players as they might not be able to hear sufficient musical support for the notes they're playing
23:25 bananannian: LOL I MEANTH SFX
23:25 bananannian: MEANT* jesus christ
23:26 Skylish: ok roger. But, 00:54:362 (1) - here.
23:26 bananannian: ...maybe I should sleep
23:26 Skylish: I want to follow back the main theme as it is Kiai session.
23:27 Skylish: And you can see that in 01:04:740 (92) - owwards.
23:27 Skylish: the patterns are following melody. * hey at this moment I come up with a mind.
23:27 Skylish: Just let 00:54:362 (1) - be matching with the BG, until a more hyper melody in 01:04:740 (92) -
23:28 Skylish: What do you think? Did your mind get blown up today?- - This Sat!
23:28 Skylish: * This is Sat! :)
23:28 Skylish: * The 3 major concerns are beard in mind.
23:29 bananannian: sure!
23:30 bananannian: question:
23:30 bananannian: 01:06:037 (102,103,104,105,106,107) -
23:30 Skylish: alright I will mark it down in this (savelog) * um?
23:30 bananannian: is it matching sfx or synth?
23:30 bananannian: I assume
23:31 bananannian: because there is no melody there, you've decided to basically switch channel to sfx?
23:31 Skylish: in case the melody are in a long one, without any suppory.
23:31 Skylish: *BG support
23:32 Skylish: I will just switch to SFX.
23:32 bananannian: how about 01:07:983 (120,121,122,123,124,125) -
23:32 bananannian: ?
23:32 Skylish: Just follow the prominent music ( due to Kiai)
23:33 Skylish: offbeat melody patterns (doubting)
23:34 Skylish: while this is a replica of 01:05:875 (101,102,103,104,105,106,107) -
23:35 bananannian: I don't think it's a replica lol
23:35 bananannian: only the rhythm is similar
23:36 bananannian: anyways, my point is, you've been switching channels from melody to sfx frequently
23:36 bananannian: although this is ok in many circumstances
23:36 bananannian: because you just mentioned that you want to have the part before this "hyper" melody following the sfx
23:36 bananannian: and this section following the synth melody
23:36 bananannian: I think if you made it EVEN more obvious what you're doing
23:37 Skylish: slightly different, truely. I slapped my face :(
23:37 bananannian: by eliminating all dublet/quadruplet
23:37 Skylish: what does' it ' stand for?
23:37 bananannian: in this section
23:37 Skylish: ok go on.
23:37 bananannian: if you made your idea of switching channels at this "hyper melody" section
23:37 bananannian: it = your idea
23:38 bananannian: so, if you change all the parts where you use 2 or 4-plet rhythm
23:38 bananannian: to a simpler triplets or 5-plets
23:39 bananannian: it would be more obvious to modders AND players what your idea is
23:39 bananannian: HOWEVER
23:39 bananannian: it would make the kiai pretty boring
23:39 Skylish: um.
23:40 bananannian: I think you could make both work
23:41 Skylish: I agree with you. Here sth I concern:
23:41 Skylish: 1. I am slapping myself at the 3rd kiai.
23:42 bananannian: what do you mean by that exactly? ^.^
23:43 Skylish: 2. The 2or4- plet rhythm in the session where I want to follow the melody, does not cause a huge contradiction between the previous one ( I mean 00:43:983 (156) - )
23:43 Skylish: For the 1., you can see that my 3rd kiai ( I am going to it).
23:44 Skylish: In this whole part, the patterns are in a chaos, and the notes are not matching at all, neither SFX nor melody.
23:44 *Skylish slap my face twice in the same time.
23:45 Skylish: get it clean and clear?
23:45 bananannian: well easy solution, if you don't like it, delete everything and try again
23:46 Skylish: 3. IT IS VERY HARD TO MAP . * I may remap the 3rd kiai session.
23:46 Skylish: This is a pessimistic way to deal with a difficult problem.
23:46 Skylish: Knock it down! :P
23:46 bananannian: unfortunately I don't think the third kiai is any different from the 1st or 2nd lol
23:47 bananannian: it's fine as is
23:47 Skylish: 連續狂用2-4連音，因為當中幾乎只有長音。
23:47 Skylish: 前兩次KIAI都冇.
23:48 Skylish: 撞音都死得人多啦-,-
23:48 Skylish: 兩頭唔到岸，忌!
23:48 bananannian: 01:30:281 (42) - move 1/4 backwards and k
23:48 Skylish: change it to k?
23:49 bananannian: perhaps
23:49 bananannian: 01:28:578 (27,28,29,30) - kd dk
23:49 Skylish: trying.
23:49 bananannian: 01:31:335 (52,53,54,55,56) - ddkdk
23:50 bananannian: that's basically the stuff I'd change
23:50 bananannian: to make it a bit better
23:51 Skylish: still changing ur 2nd order.
23:53 Skylish: reject this order due to anti-boring pattern.
23:53 Skylish: trying on the 3rd one.
23:55 bananannian: 01:28:578 (27,28,29,30) - hmm, what are you matching?
23:55 bananannian: the sfx is gone in the third kiai
23:55 bananannian: so you can either match melody or synth or drums
23:55 bananannian: melody is holding a long note here
23:55 Skylish: 3rd arrangement is accpted. It can form a mirror pattern of 01:31:983 (58,59,60,61,62) -
23:56 Skylish: wait, checking on it.
23:56 bananannian: you don't seem to like matching drums at all
23:56 bananannian: (which is fine ^^)
23:56 bananannian: so the only thing left is the synth
23:56 *Skylish cannot withstand too many things at the same time.
23:56 Skylish: wait a moment.
23:57 *bananannian is sorry D:
23:58 Skylish: I run up to a problem at
23:58 Skylish: 01:28:578 (27,28,29,30) -
23:59 Skylish: I don't really know what I want to express in these notes. Still in a chaos situation in the 3rd Kiai. It is necessary to clarify my purpose right now, before I move on to the issue of whether I match with the drum.
23:59 bananannian: well, do you hear the bell-like synth in the background while the melody has that long note?
00:00 Skylish: * my purpose in 3rd Kiai.
00:00 bananannian: ok, so to clarify from before
00:00 bananannian: 1st kiai is matching sfx
00:00 bananannian: also the section before the 1st kiai is also matching sfx
00:01 bananannian: 2nd kiai is matching melody
00:01 Skylish: * I cannot answer ur previous Q., I cannot hear anything bell-like. * Ok, let me think a while....
00:02 bananannian: do you see why this map is hard to map? :(
00:02 bananannian: 00:43:983 - after this it's basically the same thing x4
00:03 bananannian: no wait, x6
00:03 Skylish: yes.
00:03 Skylish: Kiai session should be divided from the normal one.
00:03 Skylish: X4+X2
00:03 Skylish: I would say so.
00:04 bananannian: so at times like this, when an entire section is repeating itself
00:04 bananannian: you can do a couple of things to make it interesting
00:04 bananannian: 1. map to different channels
00:04 Skylish: um.
00:04 Skylish: go on.
00:04 bananannian: and it's ok to choose the same channel for different sections
00:05 bananannian: third kiai, you could just do the same thing as in the 2nd kiai again
00:06 bananannian: because there's also another thing you could do to make it interesting
00:06 Skylish: deciding, I am considering the session after 3rd Kiai.
00:06 bananannian: which is density
00:06 bananannian: note density
00:06 Skylish: DENSITY!!!!! I mess this up very much before.
00:07 bananannian: but unfortunately your kiais are very dense already ^^
00:08 bananannian: it would maybe be a bit overdone if you increase the density even higher in the third kiai
00:08 Skylish: Okay I have my decision on 3rd Kiai now. I would like to follow the melody with construction of 3 and5 - plets, for letting the player get prepared for the later on stream.
00:08 Skylish: 'Mess' can be overdone or the other side.
00:08 bananannian: ok, 3 and 5-plets
00:09 bananannian: btw, 2nd kiai, did you get rid of all the double/quadruple rhythm?
00:09 *Skylish is marking it down the purposes.
00:09 *bananannian thinks you picked the wrong song for your first map.
00:09 Skylish: 01:09:929 (136) - Look at here.
00:10 Skylish: this is different from the other parts in 2nd Kiai,
00:10 Skylish: from 01:09:929 (136) - to01:15:118 (183) -
00:10 *Skylish knew it and he did not regret to do so because he is just a damn brave nut.
00:11 bananannian: 01:17:227 (201) - k
00:11 Skylish: fixed
00:12 bananannian: 01:05:389 (96,97,98,99,100) - I find it strange that this is how you match the melody
00:13 bananannian: for me, 01:05:551 (98,100,101) - would be all k
00:13 Skylish: Some modders advise me to make a map of a music of TV size first. My facial expression=:$ * checking .
00:13 bananannian: 01:05:389 (96,97,98,99,100) - would be ddkdk
00:13 bananannian: if you want to keep the 5-plet
00:15 Skylish: maybe I should follow the rhythm of 01:15:118 (183) - to 01:16:091 (191) - in the timeline of 01:04:740 (92) - to01:05:875 (101) - ?
00:16 bananannian: perhaps
00:17 bananannian: either way, the 3 k's are how I would match the melody
00:17 bananannian: 01:16:254 (191) - this would be k too
00:17 Skylish: I have followed your changes, but I do not feel sth special. * trying my way of changing 01:05:389 (96,97,98,99,100) -
00:19 bananannian: anyways, these details doesn't matter
00:19 bananannian: get them polished with mods
00:20 Skylish: I am yet to ready for being modded again, the situation in 3rd Kiai has not been fixed at all.
00:21 Skylish: At least I am not satisfying with that.
00:21 bananannian: have you decided on what to do in the third kiai?
00:22 Skylish: yes, I have mentioned that in the previous dialogue.
00:22 bananannian: then it's good :)
00:22 Skylish: here it is: following melody, with 3and5-plets, for the preparation for the later on stream
00:22 Skylish: then how about any comment on the stream? (after 3rd Kiai)
00:22 bananannian: and the final section is the streams
00:23 bananannian: they're bad
00:24 Skylish: good to hear that, so that I can make amendments completely.
00:24 Skylish: why bad? how baD?
00:25 bananannian: hmmm
00:25 bananannian: one thing is they're just too long
00:26 bananannian: and the placement of the stream itself is inconsistent
00:26 bananannian: one stream here: 01:36:037 -
00:26 bananannian: one stream here:
00:26 bananannian: 01:37:173 -
00:27 bananannian: no stream from here 01:38:470 - to here 01:39:767 -
00:28 bananannian: I'd suggest break the first really long one apart here: 01:42:443 (85) -
00:28 Skylish: WTF had I made before? they are crappy :( ...
00:28 bananannian: I can accept the second one being that long since it's the climax at the very end
00:28 Skylish: go on plz.
00:29 bananannian: and then for the NOTES in the streams
00:29 bananannian: messy.
00:29 bananannian: lots of switch hands rhythm
00:30 bananannian: which are not supported well by the music because the sfx is pretty quiet here
00:30 Skylish: ** Frankly speaking, this part was made when I was a real NOOB, and those notes are not considered well.
00:30 Skylish: so what should I follow? free composing ?
00:30 bananannian: I'd rather you map these streams with respect to the melody
00:31 bananannian: let me try ;)
00:31 Skylish: alright~
00:32 Skylish: oh, here's a reminder: I must end this up at 0100, I have to do a very heavy housework in the morning.
00:34 bananannian: http://puu.sh/mY3in/9d2672dcb9.jpg
00:34 bananannian: my style is to keep onbeat d, offbeat k
00:34 Skylish: adopting.
00:34 bananannian: the bpm is high enough that simple ddkkddkk is interesting
00:35 bananannian: 01:39:200 - why not add a note?
00:36 bananannian: keep the density high throughout
00:38 Skylish: better streams now. looking at the timing pt you mentioned.
00:38 bananannian: and the last few streams I trust you can make yourself
00:39 bananannian: mapping streams:
00:39 bananannian: pitch mapping is the simplest
00:40 bananannian: but it might not play well
00:40 bananannian: or sound good, for that matter
00:40 Skylish: the last long note is so free, this method is not applicable in all circumstances.
00:40 bananannian: for me, I try to think of a way to "lead" towards the last note
00:41 bananannian: it's hard to explain as it's a personal style
00:41 Skylish: 你意思指帶去收尾?
00:43 bananannian: http://puu.sh/mY3N6/520422a19a.jpg
00:43 Skylish: adopting.
00:44 bananannian: 01:43:659 (98,99,100,101,102,103,104) - is just simple onbeat d offbeat k
00:44 bananannian: 01:44:308 (105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112) - is a pattern that plays nicely
00:45 bananannian: and it does match the music well
00:45 bananannian: 01:44:956 (113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120) - repeat
00:46 bananannian: since we have the same small phrase in the melody
00:46 bananannian: and everything else stays the same, I thought it'd be a nice structure
00:46 bananannian: 01:45:605 (121,122,123,124,125,126,127) - kkk at the end to lead to the last note
00:48 Skylish: this stream is so good and I don't want to change it anymore-,-
00:48 Skylish: really does match the very weak melody behind the super prominent long note.
00:48 Skylish: *match with
00:49 bananannian: it is a very hard stream, so you might get complaints about difficulty spikes
00:50 bananannian: I've said it before, but personally I don't like this last long stream
00:50 bananannian: it's too long for my taste
00:50 bananannian: but it plays well imo :l
00:51 Skylish: LOL this is meaningless to 大神。* Inner Oni, just let it be a very long stream at the end.
00:51 bananannian: it is kinda meaningless LOL
00:51 bananannian: anyways the entire point of this discussion
00:51 bananannian: and why I talked to you through irc and not forum
00:51 Skylish: ikr.
00:51 bananannian: was because I wanted to know what was your idea for each section
00:52 bananannian: and part of your style
00:52 bananannian: and so now I know that, I can get to the specifics
00:52 bananannian: (if you want me to)
00:52 Skylish: good mentor~ are you a pro. = =?
00:52 bananannian: (later, not today)
00:52 bananannian: hehe I like teaching people stuff
00:53 Skylish: Let me make rephrase my Inner Oni first. I've got a mod from the thread by iloveu4ever.
00:53 Skylish: I will also consider his opinion.
00:53 bananannian: alright
00:54 Skylish: Thanks in advance!! :)
00:54 *Skylish want to give more kudosu! but he cannot!:(
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[Inner Oni]
其實你的要求我第一次見, 所以如果有分類得不好或怎樣的請見諒w
D和K 我弄了兩個版本 選你認為合適的看就好了
如果兩個都很爛 Sorry qwqD 和 K (1)只要D和K就好辦才怪
K
00:02:470 > ya da~ 我想D做第一個音
D
00:07:659 - 因為和第一顆相比 這邊的琴音明顯低了許多
D
00:12:848
D
00:18:037
D
00:23:227
D
00:38:794
K
00:40:091 - 這樣和前後的大圓形成了"D K D K D"的規律 我覺得這樣也比較符合音樂 > NICE!!!
D
00:41:389
K
00:42:686
D
00:43:983
00:43:983 - 00:54:362 - 除了前後兩顆大圓之外 我建議你裡面都別放大圓
要強調的音太多了 與其全部強調 不如全部都不強調（ 全部強調的話 譜面會很很雜 很難打 ）> 否決，這裡我跟了sfx，背景音有很明顯的重音下了，我也跟上放D
D
00:54:362
K
01:04:740
D
01:07:335
D
01:09:929
D
01:12:524 刪除後面的Note形成 O xox > 更改了現時的pattern
K
01:15:118
D
01:17:713
K
01:19:010 > rejected. It breaks down my pattern
K
01:20:308 > rejected. same reason ^
01:24:200 (1,5,9,1) - 我建議你弄成這樣（ 有藍色光環的就是大圓 ） > rejected. 01:25:497 (1) - 比01:24:200 (1) - 要低音，由於後者用了K，所以前者我用D。 當中的三連音我使用自己的pattern，音樂BG本身只剩下大鼓+SFX+Melody 單音，在這我認為不宜加上自己的旋律。
K
01:28:091
D
01:29:389
K
01:30:686 - 這顆你決定~ > 我繼續用D，我想突顯前面的01:30:524 (45) - 。
D
01:33:281
D
01:35:875
K
01:46:254 - 前面很明顯是高音 然後到現在這個時間變低了
^ 沒加'>' 的地方多數都已經正在沿用中。 ^D 和 K (2)只要D和K就好辦才怪D
- 00:07:659 - 因為和第一顆相比 這邊的琴音明顯低了許多
00:12:848
00:18:037
00:23:227
00:38:794
00:41:389
00:43:983
00:54:362
01:07:335
01:09:929
01:12:524 刪除後面的Note形成 O xox
01:17:713
01:29:389
01:33:281
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- 00:02:470
00:40:091 - 這樣和前後的大圓形成了"D K D K D"的規律 我覺得這樣也比較符合音樂
00:42:686
01:04:740
01:15:118
01:19:010
01:20:308
01:28:091
01:30:686 - 這顆你決定~
01:46:254 - 前面很明顯是高音 然後到現在這個時間變低了
00:43:983 - 00:54:362 - 除了前後兩顆大圓之外 我建議你裡面都別放大圓
要強調的音太多了 與其全部強調 不如全部都不強調（ 全部強調的話 譜面會很很雜 很難打 ）
01:24:200 (1,5,9,1) - 我建議你弄成這樣
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^ 我習慣跟時間軸看，不過你將它們分做兩類也是很好的，謝謝。1/6> 天啊
00:13:335 - 00:13:497 - ooox
00:17:551 - 我認為這裡不需要用到ooox 因為沒有任何明顯的音表示他是1/6 > I still use 1/6 beats pattern as a style.
00:20:146 - 00:20:308 - ooox
00:32:956 - 00:33:118 - 我建議你弄成xoox私心希望01:04:416 - 01:04:578 - xxxo> this one is quite nice, I adpoted
01:09:443 - 01:09:605 - 同樣不需要用到ooox 因為沒有任何明顯的音表示他是1/6 > 同上一個同樣的pattern
01:13:983 - 01:14:794 - 試試> 這個我保留我自己原有的，因為那是一個 4 個bar長的音 (再加上前面都是長音)，所以這裡不宜斷開。
01:16:578 - 01:16:740 - 我認為這裡的ooox可用可不用 自己確認~
01:24:037 - 01:24:200 - 有1/6的感覺 我是認為強調後面的K比較好 一樣自己確認~ > 為了強調K，前面不做1/6了。Extra00:10:254 (18,26,34) - 你想要突出這些音 不一定要用大圓（ 而且這裡的音沒有明顯到到需要用大圓來表現 ）試試這樣 用d凸顯k （ P.S. 這裡沒有大圓 ）
> OMFG!! This is almost exactly the same as my current ver., only 00:10:902 is different (mine is k, and your suggestion is d). I think k is better.
同理適用於後面有相符合的地方 我就不全部列出來了
希望我這篇有助於你的譜變得更完美
Good luck~
Had to do some house cleaning and stuff for CNY orz, wanted to do some regular playing too.
Thanks for modding!Invective wrote:
nyanmi-'s Oni
01:33:686 (522) - Snapped to a 1/4 tick when it should go on the 1/3 tick at 01:33:713.
First section felt a bit empty. The section between 00:23:227 and 00:33:605, which sounds way calmer than the first section, has more notes mapped to it in half the time.
00:07:335 (7) - IMO this note should be the same as 00:06:524 (5). I think for these first 7 notes k d k d k k d goes with pitch better (high notes with k, low with d), but that's my style of mapping and idk if it matches yours, but at least having 5 and 7 match would be good. - umm...I think d k d k k d d better than your style. but, I'm going to at reference.
00:09:605 - You could map the sound here, or the beat in the background?
00:12:200 (13,14,15) - I think Ctrl+g would be good here, following the same idea as above. - ok. That's better.
For the most part I thought the rest was fine, the k's followed the melody pretty well. I just think that regarding the 1/4 there's a big gap between the use of 1/4 in the Muzu and here in the Oni (long streams even though the patterns are fairly easy).
00:53:470 (201) - Delete this? - Deleted.
01:03:848 (288) - ^, and I think the first 5 note pattern at 01:03:443 (283,284,285,286,287) should be kdkdk or at least not have k's on the offbeat. - ^ and 01:04:010 deleted.
01:14:227 (370) - ^ - ^
01:45:362 (610) - ^^
Hope it helps
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Thank you for your extremely detailed mod!Invective wrote:
Hi, from my mod queue.
Sorry for the late post
d = don, red note
k = kat, blue note
D = don finisher, big red note
K = kat finisher, big blue notemodGeneral
Tag conflicts between the difficulties in Song Setup, these need to be fixed (Check AIMod).
Timing lines differ between your diffs and nyanmi's GD. I'm not sure if that's important though since I'm fairly new to modding
> Tag conflicts solved now. (AIMod will change my SV node by square it automatically, I do not want to use AIMod really.)
> Timing lines issue is fine. Just let it be until TNA said no.
Inner Oni
Some of my suggestions may be off, and I only went over the first third or so of the song in detail since this diff is definitely way above my skill level. > OK.
I found it quite hard to understand the note choices at first until I read through the map description box thingy. Even then I still had trouble making out the sfx at some points for the first section. I'm gonna try and provide suggestions to what I think was the style you had in mind, but honestly (for this first part at least), I don't think mapping to the sfx is the best choice > This problem has been mentioned by previous modder, but if I choose not to follow the sfx, the notes of Taiko will be very repetitive and boring. (ddd and ddddd) (That's why the previous modder said that this map is not suitable for Taiko mapping >_<)
00:05:064 (15,16) - Ctrl+g? A couple of the k's for this first part seemed to land on this synth (??? idk what it is lol i'll just call it synth) sound (yup this is called synth) so having the k on 15 matches better IMO. I'm not sure what other sounds you're using k for (like on 16) but in terms of the sfx I think those synth beats are the easiest to make out while listening and thus should be emphasised.
00:05:875 (20) - If you do make that above change, it'd make sense to change this to d, but then again you probably want to find a more interesting rhythm for the d's in between the synth beats. > For 00:05:064 (15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22) - , I have tried to adopt the ctrl+G in 15 and 16, but there's already 4 d in the pattern. Therefore, I just keep my orignial one. In the same time, I ctrl+G in 18 and 20, so the synth will be equal to k. However, it comes another Q., the next coming part will be the same because the locations of synth do not change at all.
00:07:335 (30) - Change to k? To match the synth. > Ok. I may change sth in other easier difficulties because they have k k k in this phrase (15-30).
00:08:794 (8) - Change to k? Essentially the same as 00:09:118 (9,10,11,12) where d k k go on the 1/2 beats >good observation, changed.
00:10:740 (22) - Change to k? For the synth again.
00:11:713 (30) - ^ > 00:10:254 (18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32) - I changed the pitches of Taiko notes here and 22 and 30 are k now.
Whether or not you choose to remove or change the other k's in this section is up to you because I honestly don't know what other audible sounds they'd be mapped to. > There're loud sfx sounds on every 1/2 off-beat. They are not very useful for mapping in this stage. Also, some k is used for creating own pattern or emphasising on the next coming notes.
00:13:335 (3,4,5,6) - 1/6 sounds ok I guess but to me I heard it as a little offtimed to that piano arpeggio since its actually a 1/8 triplet starting on 00:13:416. Not sure how relevant just pointing it out
00:13:821 (7) - Change to d? Not much happening in the music to warrant this being a k IMO. > I do not make a change here because this note creates an off-beat pattern of k k k with 00:13:821 (6,10,15) -
00:14:146 (8,12,16,17) - These four single notes coincide with the piano beats, if the intention was to give them more emphasis you could make them k's, or else I don't see the reason why 00:14:794 (13,14,15,16) isn't mapped as a ddkkd or some close variant like in the previous two sections. > From 00:12:848 (1) - to 00:18:037 (36) - , I am matching with the synth, using mostly d to indicate the synth, except 00:13:497 (5) - due to its highest pitch in this phrase. The k in this phrase is used for creating an off-beat pattern. Due to the above explanation and my intention of matching the notes, I am sorry to reject your suggestion here although they really make sense.
EDIT: Now I think I should really follow your suggestion because I figure that your's suggestion is matching my other difficulties. Due to consistencies, I should follow the same flow.
00:15:443 (17,18) - Ctrl+g? I don't really see a reason for 18 to be k when 17 is by far the more prominent sound in the music.
> I pressed wrongly when I was mapping -,- 17 should be k really. ** Some pitches of notes are changed now.
00:15:929 - From this part I really don't understand the use of k's 00:17:389 (32) and 00:17:713 (36) are k's, I'm gonna go ahead and say that 00:16:416 (24) and 00:16:902 (28) should be k too.
00:17:551 (33,34,35,36) - I can't make out anything in the sfx to make this a 1/6 rhythm. > 00:17:389 (32) this note is d now. 00:17:713 (36) is for emphasizing the down beat in 00:18:037 (36) - 00:16:416 (24) is following the synth and all synth is d in this phrase. (refer to my previous words) 00:16:902 (28) should not be k because I am forming an off-beat pattern. 00:17:551 (33,34,35,36) , 33 and 36 are single beat. As the space between them is empty and I can put 1/6 beat here due to Inner Oni.
00:24:037 (32,33) - Ctrl+g? Given that 32 and 34 are the same pitch and I think given how you mapped this section pitch is the way to go. dkd could work, but I think kdk is better due to how you used k's in the following pattern. > Yes, I changed it to k d k now.
00:29:227 (48,49) - ^ > I don't know why I mis-mapped it in the first time....
00:31:335 (54,55) - ^ > I would like to say that these notes are in purpose of making an off-beat pattern, but considering the pitches of these two notes, I ctrl+G them now.
00:32:875 (59,60,61,62,63) - Another 1/8 triplet starting on a blue tick, I guess 1/8 isn't the best choice for a taiko diff but this 1/6 doesn't feel fitting to me either. > I followed the 1/8 triplets to dkd , and 00:33:281 (63,64,65,66) - uses a 1/6 quadraplets of dddk.
From here on out I could barely keep up with the patterns so I'm gonna leave modding these streams to someone more qualified
> Alright, it's fine.
01:33:281 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - K D D K D D K D D or K D D K D D K K K? Not necessary changes though. > I changed to K D D x3. This issue has already been mentioned for more than 2 times so I decided to follow the changes by considering the pitches between the notes there.
01:35:227 (10,11,12,13,14,15) - Ctrl+g the two triplets? Fits the pitch better. > I changed to kdk ddk. Both triplets are kdk indeed, as 01:35:551 (13) - is lower than 01:35:389 (12) - , I change the former to d now.
Hope it helps
I won't slap you because both of us are students. The workload of damn HW is high and we all know this awful fact. Please update the map for the latest ver., Proph. Thank you~Prophecy wrote:
M4M Mod #2
[Kantan]
01:05:389 (13) - delete for Beginner. (5 1/1 notes is enough)
01:18:200 (6) - Not suggested to add this note.
01:07:821 (16,17) - ^ or move before
[Futsuu]
Seems Fine~ Good Job :3
[Muzukashii]
General: Please make sure 1/2 notes combo not more than 5.
General: Adding more 1/4 (ddd/kkk/ddk/kkd) is better~
01:16:416 (8) - Slider? Try adding some notes instead.
01:19:010 (12) - ^
[nyanmi's Oni]
General: Second Kiai dense should be higher than 1st kiai
General: Extra inherited timing point should be remove. (Offset 43983,49173,51767,75118)
00:35:875 - add kdd or as 00:41:389 (98,99,100,101,102)
00:36:848 (62,63,64,65,66) - weird, 5 notes suddenly.
00:38:146 (73,74,75,76,77) - as above, suggest: remove or replace
00:56:308 (225,226,227,228,229) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4517712
01:03:443 (284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299,300) - too long, not kiai part
01:03:443 (284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298) - http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4517716
01:37:821 (550,551,552) - adding some notes here
01:44:956 (604,605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616) - I don't know why you do this, It's not really match with music.
Comment: Nice mapset. Good luck for rank.
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Welcome to slap me in-game if you want... /me runbtw, what electives subject you've study?
As you have'not finished it, I cannot adopt the changes from your mod in this current stage~ Thanks for your mod. Wait for nyanmi-'s reply.Ppus wrote:
From my queue
d: Don
k: Kat
D: Big Don
K: Big Kat> Nope, following consistency of Futsuu.Kantan 00:41:389 (1) - delete finish > I cannot see a reason why there's a need to delete finish.
01:04:091 (11) - d > Yes, 01:03:443 (10) - is the highest pitch.
01:45:605 (14,15) - Ctrl+G> yes, follow the consistency of Muzu and have a variation of that pattern.Futsuu 00:22:578 (32) - d > nope. 00:20:632 (29,30,31,32) - is an ascending pitching pattern.
01:08:794 (26) - ^ > nope. k sounds better and follow the consistencies of all difficulties.
01:24:686 (2) - D> nope. This change should be applied on 01:35:227 (7) - , and I do have a change here.Muzukashii 00:32:875 (73) - delete this > nope, triplet here and I change it to ddd.
01:04:416 (5) - k > ok. 01:04:254 (4,5) - is d k now.
01:35:010 (6) - ^Oni 00:38:146 (71,72,73,74,75) - dkddk
00:48:524 (157,158,159,160,161) - ^
01:24:686 (452,453) - KK
* Wait for nyanmi-'s reply> ok.Inner Oni 00:32:875 (59,60,61) - this part it's unrankable i think, charge this to 1/4 like this --->> I think the 1/8 beats pattern is used properly so I do not change it, unless TNA said that this could not be ranked.
01:01:010 (61) - k > nope. 01:00:848 (59,60,61,62) - is the mirror of 00:59:551 (47,48,49,50) - .
01:09:443 (136) - ^Good Luck With Rank
Thanks for your mod~Prophecy wrote:
M4M Mod #2
[Kantan]
01:05:389 (13) - delete for Beginner. (5 1/1 notes is enough) > Yes, I agree with you that there's a need of deletion here for the note. However, considering consistency of the overall flow of Kantan, the other similar notes should also be deleted, and I think that it is acceptable. ( This change makes the map become more simpler
01:18:200 (6) - Not suggested to add this note. > Accepted. I delete this note.
01:07:821 (16,17) - ^ or move before > no, these two notes are the main rhythm of the BGM.
[Futsuu]
Seems Fine~ Good Job :3 > I did some changes according to other's mod. It is not as good as you thought!
[Muzukashii]
General: Please make sure 1/2 notes combo not more than 5. > I think it does not matter at all.... Why do you say so? I may ask you in-game then.
General: Adding more 1/4 (ddd/kkk/ddk/kkd) is better~[/b] > I agree with that, but it is hard to do so! I must give it a real try....
General: Second long kiai is mostly covered by the spinner, Suggest replace it! > Replaced with 'evil combo burst' XP
General: HP setting is really high, Suggest HP5 to balance the overall spread. > HP=6 is fine. Some mappers said that HP is inversely proportional to difficulty.
01:16:416 (8) - Slider? Try adding some notes instead.
01:19:010 (12) - ^ > slider is for replacing the entering of don and katsu in the long note. I keep the sliders.
00:56:146 (179,180,181,182) - ddk k is not allowed, suggest : ddk d > I change it into kkk now.
00:59:713 (197,198,199,200) - ddk k is not allowed, suggest : ddk d > I change it into ddd now.
01:08:146 (25,26,27,28) - same as above, It's a rules :3 > Hey I doubt this so called 'rules'. I will find you in-game~ This pattern is changed completely. ( ddd k)
01:25:659 (2,3,4,5) - ^ > ^
01:28:254 (14,15,16,17) - same issue as above > ^
01:36:037 (2,3,4,5) - ^ > ^
ATM, I am afraid of the accumulation of repetitive patterns....
[nyanmi's Oni]
General: Second Kiai dense should be higher than 1st kiai
General: Extra inherited timing point should be remove. (Offset 43983,49173,51767,75118)
00:02:470 to 00:04:740 - why no notes there, you should compare with Muzu. (Adding notes)
00:35:875 - add kdd or as 00:41:389 (98,99,100,101,102)
00:36:848 (62,63,64,65,66) - weird, 5 notes suddenly.
00:38:146 (73,74,75,76,77) - as above, suggest: remove or replace
00:56:308 (225,226,227,228,229) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4517712
01:03:443 (284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299,300) - too long, not kiai part
01:03:443 (284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298) - http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4517716
01:37:821 (550,551,552) - adding some notes here
01:44:956 (604,605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616) - I don't know why you do this, It's not really match with music.
Wait for nyanmi's reply.
Comment: Nice mapset. Good luck for rank.
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Welcome to slap me in-game if you want... /me runbtw, what electives subject you've study?
* ok, thanks. * ok, thanks. Ppus wrote:
From my queueOni 00:38:146 (71,72,73,74,75) - dkddk - Fixed.
00:48:524 (157,158,159,160,161) - ^ - fixed
01:24:686 (452,453) - KK - fixed
Thanks for modding!Prophecy wrote:
[nyanmi's Oni]
General: Second Kiai dense should be higher than 1st kiai - I think better of not dense. because, trying to dense of the 3rd kiai.
General: Extra inherited timing point should be remove. (Offset 43983,49173,51767,75118) - All removed.
00:02:470 to 00:04:740 - why no notes there, you should compare with Muzu. (Adding notes) - add notes.
00:35:875 - add kdd or as 00:41:389 (98,99,100,101,102) - don't add notes for break.
00:36:848 (62,63,64,65,66) - weird, 5 notes suddenly. - Fixed. I placed "ddk d".
00:38:146 (73,74,75,76,77) - as above, suggest: remove or replace - I think that not suddenly.
00:56:308 (225,226,227,228,229) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4517712
01:03:443 (284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299,300) - too long, not kiai part
01:03:443 (284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298) - http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4517716 - I think not too long.
01:37:821 (550,551,552) - adding some notes here - adding k
01:44:956 (604,605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616) - I don't know why you do this, It's not really match with music. - Fixed in one's own way.
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I will make further amendments later because I am not free now!Ulqui wrote:
I'll mod this map later
cyaKantan00:08:632 (6) - delete
00:22:254 (21) - add a note(?
00:31:983 - add a note
00:32:956 - ^
00:39:443 - ^
00:42:037 - ^
00:48:848 - add a kat
00:54:037 - add a kat
01:04:740 (11,12,13,14,15,16,17,1) - it would be better to remap this section
01:25:173 (2) - add a kat
I think you did not update the latest ver.. They are out of phase completely and not relevant to the latest one. Really. I will find you again for another modding for Kantan. (maybe also Futsuu, I will find you in-game.)Futsuu> add d00:19:335 (27) - move to 00:19:983 (27) - > I add d on 00:19:983 , and remain 00:19:335 (27) unchanged.
00:22:254 - add note > add d
00:22:902 - add note > no note is added here because the complexity is too high.
00:23:227 (34,35,36) - do something like that
00:28:416 (48,49,50) - here too
> reject the above suggestions because the note hits on the offbeat and in this situation I think I can neglect the guidelines of Futsuu.
00:33:118 (60,61) - add dk
> You should state the timing point in which I can add the notes in the corresponding points.... I can do nothing for this suggestion because it is not comprehensible.
00:48:848 (15) - add noteMuzukashii00:20:064 (42,43) - add dd > wrong timing? Idk what you mean frankly.
00:19:010 (39,40) - delete > alright... but it sounds so empty for 4 bars...
00:35:227 - add a note > add k
00:40:416 - add note > no, it should be left some space to make the pattern sounds like porous. That is the effect I want to make.
00:41:389 - add d
00:41:713 - add d
00:41:227 (110) - change to k fot yummy pattern > kdkdddk is so full! Let's try it.
00:58:254 (194,195,196,197) - unnecesary, if you want, delete 00:58:254 (194,197) -
> The link is in a chaos now... I make a change like this: 00:58:254 (189,190,191,192,193,194,195) - d d d kkk dnyanmi-'s Oni00:43:497 (114,115) - change to k
00:44:794 (127,128) - ^
00:45:443 (132,133) - ^
00:47:389 (148,149) - ^ (no reasons...)
01:14:308 (367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,376,377) - ddkkkkddddk to continue with ddd(01:15:281 (378,379,380) - )
01:45:929 (612,613) - change to kInner Oni00:22:416 (19,22) - Ctrl + G > alright. This is a better flow.
00:32:875 (59,60,61) - delete and put a 1/6 (it's only a suggestion)
> this is my original ver., but note 59 does not match the melody, so I delete it. If there's a necessary to add a note on it to form a 4-plets in 1/6 beat, I will fix so.
00:41:551 (130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142) -
> better flow for the above battern. Nice.
00:40:497 (121) - delete> no, this is a gap-fill note to make a 5-plets
00:43:010 (146) - change to d(?
00:51:118 (217) - change to d(?
00:52:740 (230) - change to d(?
> The above 3 suggestions are rejected. They are some variation of the previous patterns.
00:53:227 (234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246) -
or
> Neither of them was adopted. They have some pros and cons..., but I still make some changes on this stream:
01:01:173 (63,64,65,66) - delete, add a note here: 01:01:497 - 01:01:173 - 01:01:254 - 01:01:335 and do that:
> This idea is good and I follow most of your suggestion with a little amendment on the notes of the stream. Nice and make Inner Oni more complex.
01:02:470 (75,76,77,78,79) - kkdkk(? > I can give it a try!
01:19:335 (226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235) -
> Your suggestion inspired me to make a better flow :
01:26:064 (6) - delete
> reasonable change!
01:42:200 (82,83) - change to k > I can give it a try!
Thats it
This is a great song and the map is nice
good luck
Stay tuned.Thanks for your mod.Chocola_2287 wrote:
M4M request modoverallCan't mod kantan, I suck at it. (HP8 is a bit high with this song length, reduce it to 7?) > HP=8 is fine.BG resolution is weird, consider change a new BG. (I know some cutting software make the resolution weird, so I don't recommend resizing)
Check AI MOD
> AI MOD shows nothing wrong about BG. The resolution of BG is 1365X768.FutsuuNo 1/2 patterns, making futsuu looks like a kantan . Moreover, notes no. between futsuu and muzu is too big > Alright, I will add some 1/2 patterns.
00:17:713 (25) - d , low ptich >No, the sound of SFX is even higher than 00:17:389 (23) - .
00:25:173 (36,37,38) - this can be placed at kkdkd (1/2 interval) and match the BG song > I change that pattern into kkd d in Futsuu, and kkdkd in Muzu and Inner Oni.
00:32:956 (52,53) - kkddd(1/2 interval) > These are now dkd D for 00:32:956 (54,55,56,57) -
Just some example to put 1/2 patterns , if you map according to the music sound effects, there are lots of places which ar suitable for 1/2 patterns. > Yes, I do agree with you.Muzu00:18:037 (38) - slider should start from here > Ok
01:07:659 (24) - k (high pitch) > 01:07:335 (23) - This should be k, but not 01:07:659 (24) - .
01:09:281 (35) - d (low pitch) > No, I want to emphasize 01:09:605 (36) - .
01:16:416 (9,13) - don't see a point placing sliders here > I was lazy atm XP. I changed it by following the BGM.
01:21:281 (20) - d ^ > I changed the overall pattern and changed this note to d.
01:36:686 (6,7,8) - ddd or ddk (follow the previous pattern) > I changed it to ddkInner OniGL on ranking00:32:875 (59,60,61) - what? are u sure? 1/6 patterns make sense, but 1/8 does not , and mostly unrankable > I am absolutely sure that the notes are really 1/8 triplets in dkd pattern. I know this's hard to play and I think I need to replace it with other things,but not 1/6 because 1/6 is out of phase in this situation.Maybe players will notice the differences between 1/6 and 1/8 under BPM=185 ...
01:20:632 (238,239,240,241,242,243,244) - k kkddk k -> kkddk ddk (fits more) > no... you cannot see why I map like this, but I changed some patterns though.
01:34:794 (8) - k (relatively high pitch) > Yes, that's true.
* Wait for nyanmi's reply.[R] wrote:
[Muzukashii]
00:04:740 - d to emphasize next note > OK
00:12:524 - delete this, sounds different than previous part > It sounds as same as 00:07:335 (11) - .
00:15:767 - | 00:16:740 - idk why put 3/2 here, but sound isn't good to add there so delete it > Apparently I want to make some more complicated pattern but I failed
00:20:956 (44) - spiner is better in 00:21:929 - then you can start adding note from 00:21:281 - > Yes... I was so lazy at that time... Pattern is changed.
00:25:659 - add note ? sound still continous > yes, k is added
00:27:767 - can be d > k is good to go.
00:43:983 - density to high from here , maybe try delete some like 00:46:416 - | 00:49:010 - | 00:51:605 - | 00:54:200 - > Yes, you are right. I do not add notes here in Inner Oni, and so should have been done in Muzu....
00:56:146 (179,180) - delete this note, triplet more reasonable in 00:56:470 - > I see your point although you have given me a wrong timing point. Changed!
00:58:254 - delete
00:58:416 - delete
> ^no, there're SFX in the BG.
01:07:173 - k > I think d is fine. No change
01:45:929 (44,45,46) - can be kkD > I changed it into ddK
[Oni]sems like inner oni this diff
00:04:091 (4,5) - ctrl+G
00:25:659 - k for variety
00:32:794 - kkk make simple triplet
Ulqui wrote:
nyanmi-'s OniThis is a great song and the map is nice00:43:497 (114,115) - change to k
00:44:794 (127,128) - ^
00:45:443 (132,133) - ^
00:47:389 (148,149) - ^ (no reasons...)
01:14:308 (367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,376,377) - ddkkkkddddk to continue with ddd(01:15:281 (378,379,380) - )
01:45:929 (612,613) - change to k
Sorry.I don't fix all.
good luck
All fixed[R] wrote:
[Oni]sems like inner oni this diff
00:04:091 (4,5) - ctrl+G
00:25:659 - k for variety
00:32:794 - kkk make simple triplet
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Alright, I have received your req and I do not think it is an appropriate way to do so because you can see the latest post was a M4M req and I yet to make any response. You should wait patiently for my latest reply on my queue. Besides, I've got 5 diff.s and you only mod 1 of them. Please be notice that your mod's quality is directly proportional to my mods.IControl wrote:
iControl's modInner Oni> ^00:13:335 - add d this pattern feels awkward > I should have added a d here...
00:17:551 (33,34,35,36) - change to ddk 1/6s not necessary here > no, it's pattern and potential 1/6 pattern here.
00:33:281 (64,65,66,67) - change to d k ^ >^
00:35:551 (82,83,84,85) - why not trysounds better and more fun to play imo > nice change here, but I cannot adopt to it because I am following sfx here and I changed the whole phase into kdddk
00:37:010 (94) - move to 00:37:091 - why note more doubles lol > same reason
01:16:578 (202,203,204,205) - change to ddk unnecessary 1/6 again > same reason as above
01:19:821 (231,232,233,234) - ^
Good luck
Thanks for your mod and 5 kds star !although they are useless under this hilarious ranking sys.Nathan Kiss wrote:
[Kantan]> For Kantan, there are apparently a lot of issuses have been found out and I want to make a conclusion here instead of answering each point. Basically what you said are right and most of them have been adopted now. Due to a large re-mapping for Kantan, I cannot reply on every point you have made. Yeah, I have considered much from your suggestion.
- The flow at the beginning is kinda weird imo, like there is a note here 00:11:227 (9) but not at 00:06:037 even though there is the exact same rhythm. Idk it just feels like the first 12 notes or so dont really follow anything
- 00:29:064 (31) - I recommend to delete this note as well as others that follow this pattern
- 00:40:091 (41,2) - Change to D
- 01:07:335 (14,15,16,17,1) - I think this part flows a bit weirdly too, especially for a Kantan. This rhythm would be tricky for a beginner dont you think? How about this? ---> http://puu.sh/nsWAp/e84828de33.jpg If you decide not to use this I still think you need to use something similar.
- 01:30:686 (1) - slider seems way out of place when you could have just repeated the rhythm prior. I think I heard somewhere to try and not use sliders at all in kantans
- 01:33:281 (1) - change to K
- 01:38:470 (4,5,6,7) - Same as 1:07:335 (14,15,16,17,1)
- 01:43:659 (10) - Change to D
- 01:44:956 (12) - Change to D
I also think you've used way too many finishes. Like 01:41:064 (8) and 01:43:659 (10,11,12,13). I didnt mention each one individually since you haave a lot of finishes in this diff. Actually now that I think about it 01:43:659 (10,11,12,13) might be ok only because its at the end of the song though.
[Futsuu]> It seems that in this current stage I cannot find a better pattern than yours so I probably adopt your changes for replacing that inappropriate difficult part. I aslo re-mapped a lot in Futsuu LOL.
- 00:38:794 (71) - The piano is faint and because you have a don here where goes in sync with the drums I think you should delete 00:39:281 (72,73,74,75) and have simple beats with follow the bass --> http://puu.sh/nsXxQ/78e24a3986.jpg It improves flow to me. Another reason why I suggested you to follow the bass is because its significantly louder than the melody at this point
You will change this part 00:41:389 (1) - though if you do the above > I can see your point but I would like to map according to sfx and synth here. (plz refer to my notes in #1 in case you did not read itprobably you did not(?))- 00:42:686 (4,5) - If you dont do the above these 2 need to be the same, so change (4) to a d > change to another thing
- 00:54:362 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - These are the kinda patterns you see in muzukashii diffs. I really do think this is too hard for a futsuu especially considering the earlier parts of the map, no pattern was nearly as hard as this. > um... I may had make it too hard XD. I will nerve the main part forsure. (The SR sys. shows that the distribution of difficulties is not okay at all.)
- 01:00:200 (9,10) - > change to another pattern
- 01:04:740 (18,19,20,21,22,23,24) - same as earlier > I will nerf that.
- 01:06:686 (25,26,27,28,29) - why is this pattern different to 00:56:308 (1,2,3,4,5) ? its the same meoldy right? Anyways I think > oh you are right! I lost my consistency! I have changed them to the same one and have enhanced the pattern.
01:07:335 (27) should definitely be a don. I recommend using this pattern http://puu.sh/nsY75/c5e9c0f1a1.jpg > It should definitely be kat according to my mapping style and way. I reject your suggestion.- 01:09:929 (1) - you should map this slider imho > Yes, re-mapped here.
- 01:18:686 (12,13) - The pitch of these 2 notes are quite distinguishable right? I think for that reason they should have different signs, preferably d k > my intention is exactly yours. Things have to go back to the last saving XP. Changed!
- 01:25:497 (1) - Recommend you nerf this pattern to the ground xD > LOL, /me really has to map better here.
Basically the really hard patterns I stated are extremely difficult in comparison to the other parts of the difficulty. My small recommendation for 01:25:497 (1) would be to to something like this (thought to be honest some may think this might be too hard xD idk) http://puu.sh/nsYrY/551b6b6f38.jpg and repeat at note (9). Use similar patterns for the other part
[Muzukashii]Thats all from me, sorry for being late. 5 stars makes up for it right?!
- 00:35:551 (82,83,84,85,86) - Chance to kkdkd? > good change here
- 00:40:416 - add don > good change here again!
- 00:42:200 (109) - Change to k > I think d is good to go
- 00:43:173 (114) - Change to don if you do the above > so no change here
- 00:44:794 (121,122,123) - should be the same pattern as 00:45:443 (124,125,126) imho. Change one or the other > These are the firetrucking repetitive patterns. If they are going to repeat for 4 times, it would be extremely boring. So I have to change the pattern in same rhythm but different pitches. >_<
- 01:22:254 (31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43) - I think you should create a 1/2 beat pause in this pattern somewhere >
The original pattern may be too hard for Muzu players. I have changed a bit to leave some space and reduce the density of notes.- 01:26:308 (6,7,8) - You dont need to use multicoloured triplets for this since the note at the end 01:26:632 (9) - emphasises it. You can have the it all dons. A lot of players in the muzukashii level cant hit multicoloured triplets so imo you should only use them if you cant map the sound any other way.
> I opt to remove the triplet patterns.- 01:29:551 (24,25,26) - - same as above, all kats > same as above, I reduce the density.
- 01:41:064 (23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36) - If youre trying to map the symph instrument then you need remap this pattern, it doesnt match the changes in pitch tbh. > As the prominent part is a long note, I cannot follow it. I choose to follow sfx here. Notes changed!
> I have to thank for your contribution at first, but I regret to tell you that kds star of a beatmap is completely useless and it is just a gimmick because once the beatmap reaches +12SP, the extra kds really do not matter at all because if the beatmap is good enough to get ranked, no matter what it must be ranked, and vice versa.
Basically I have re-mapped Kantan according to Mirrichi's advice. They are useful and there was an apparent lack of structure in Kantan in my previous ver..Mrriichi wrote:
こんにちは～Modding Queueから～
[Kantan]
全体的に難しいリズムの3/2が目だったのでそこは何とかしたほうが良いと思います。 > I think using 3/2 is fine due to the pattern and structure of the music. The most important is that it does not violate the rule of mapping Kantan.
・00:23:227 (19,20,21) -&00:27:767 (25,26,27) -
ここのパターンは同じにすべきです。Kantanプレイヤーには叩きづらいです。
というより、3/2のこういうタイプの多用はKantanプレイヤーには難しいのでFutsuuなどで使うべきです。
・00:43:983～00:54:362
ここはkiai前の盛り上がりのパートのはずなのに2/1のみで簡単すぎます。
どちらかというと簡単にすべきなのはコレより前のパートのような気がします。
・01:04:740～01:33:281
ここもkiaiなのに前半のkiaiでないパートよりも簡単でもっと難しくするべきだと思います。
Kantan自体が個人的にはあまりよくないと思うので、Futsuu以上はSpreadの関係上とりあえずしません。
