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Bonsai
Heyho, nice map but I came across some overmaps in the Hard D:
  1. 00:52:943 (12) - There's definitely no prominent note here at all, there might be a barely audible Cis1 (I mean the lowest Cis on a regular piano) but it's really not noticable at all and it feels off to play this as four notes. The rhythm is very weird here already, this makes it even worse imo
  2. 01:41:072 (12) - definitely nothing here
  3. 01:43:662 (2) - The echo of the previous note almost sounds like there'd be a veeeery quiet note here but that would be way too early, and again it just feels off playing like that anyways
  4. 01:30:065 (7) - definitely nothing here either, I didn't even notice it at first but would've pointed this pattern out anyways as 01:29:633 (5) get's emphasized by being out of the curve but none of 01:30:281 (8,9) get emphasized at all which felt weird to me, but removing this overmap would fix that anyways
I also have a few other, non-severe points for the Hard I'd like to bring up while I'm at it:
  1. 00:23:159 (6) - I don't really understand the placement of this note, it doesn't complete the 'pattern' of the previous notes which makes me assume you wanted it to stand out, but since (4,5,6) are almost a straight line that doesn't make it stand out either, which just leaves me confused / aesthetically unsatisfied lol. (would spacing (5,6) like 00:21:000 (1,2) go against your concept? bc that would make sense)
  2. 00:23:159 (6,7,8) - afaik this is the only time you spaced 2/1 like they were 1/1 in the whole map, and additionally it's right before the most 'challenging' rhythm so far / in the intro 00:25:317 (9,10,11) which can be really confusing because you don't expect spacing to indicate the rhythm anymore after that
  3. 00:58:554 (9,10) - Why exactly is this spaced so low / not like the previous notes? If anything (10) is even more prominent than (8) so I don't understand that at all
  4. 01:48:842 (16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,1) - Are you sure that you want to differentiate between (18,19) and not (19,20)? (20) is a really loud note + it's the beginning of the new melody-line. Also, I don't understand why (22) stands out here, there's nothing special about that note to me
  5. 01:55:748 (14,15) - Dunno if this is an accident or not but that's significantly higher spaced than (15,16) which makes no sense to me, I'd understand spacing (17,18) more though
  6. While the notes at 02:16:684 (2,3) are significantly louder than the previous two white ticks you left out, that is not the case with 02:18:410 (4,5,6) and 02:17:979 - (what I mean is that 02:17:979 should really have a circle)
  7. Since there is nothing mapped beyong 02:22:333 why not make the timing sections line up so there isn't that much clutter of line or whatever in auto-converts and Nightcore? (what I mean is making the BPMs 125,9; 120,9 etc., right now the BPM-values make absolutely zero sense as they aren't snapped to the notes in-between anyways) If you want I can perfectly time the outro in a few minutes, it somehow makes me sad to see it half-done like this ^^
  8. About NCing: At 01:51:216(1) you start to NC in the patterns themselves, on the major downbeats, which you never did before, and while I don't have any solution for this combo since it's so long I think 02:14:525 (10,11,1) could definitely be done differently and maybe the two in-between too, rn it seems like starting from there you just generally NC'd every fourth measure (except that between 01:58:123 and 02:08:482 there are five but I don't think anyone notices that while playing bc of how the harmonies are built) which you never did before and I think that's kinda weird, I hope you understand what I mean lol
Irreversible
Hey there, was talking with Garven about it ingame and there seems to be 1-2 issues that are definitely worth considering.

Call me for rebubble!
Topic Starter
Garven

Bonsai wrote:

Heyho, nice map but I came across some overmaps in the Hard D:
  1. 00:52:943 (12) - There's definitely no prominent note here at all, there might be a barely audible Cis1 (I mean the lowest Cis on a regular piano) but it's really not noticable at all and it feels off to play this as four notes. The rhythm is very weird here already, this makes it even worse imo Whoops, yeah.
  2. 01:41:072 (12) - definitely nothing here Yep
  3. 01:43:662 (2) - The echo of the previous note almost sounds like there'd be a veeeery quiet note here but that would be way too early, and again it just feels off playing like that anyways This one is here - it doesn't sound like an echo at all.
  4. 01:30:065 (7) - definitely nothing here either, I didn't even notice it at first but would've pointed this pattern out anyways as 01:29:633 (5) get's emphasized by being out of the curve but none of 01:30:281 (8,9) get emphasized at all which felt weird to me, but removing this overmap would fix that anyways The note is there, actually, and I didn't want to try and make a new "emphasis" point by using the same change in direction at this point. It will just plain look weird as well as play fairly poorly with the general curves to finish off the phrase.
I also have a few other, non-severe points for the Hard I'd like to bring up while I'm at it:
  1. 00:23:159 (6) - I don't really understand the placement of this note, it doesn't complete the 'pattern' of the previous notes which makes me assume you wanted it to stand out, but since (4,5,6) are almost a straight line that doesn't make it stand out either, which just leaves me confused / aesthetically unsatisfied lol. (would spacing (5,6) like 00:21:000 (1,2) go against your concept? bc that would make sense) I had originally placed a circle there to "complete" the pattern, but the flow felt too poor going out from that shape. I decided to continue to a new shape to kind of create a larger arcing shape for the entire combo (which looks like a constellation version of Trogdor).
  2. 00:23:159 (6,7,8) - afaik this is the only time you spaced 2/1 like they were 1/1 in the whole map, and additionally it's right before the most 'challenging' rhythm so far / in the intro 00:25:317 (9,10,11) which can be really confusing because you don't expect spacing to indicate the rhythm anymore after that This was a hard section to map from the previous explanation and then going into this new set of rhythms. I decided to channel my inner Colin Hou and went pure feeling. I think it worked out pretty well since the AR pretty much has the circle appear after you've already clicked the previous circle. The fake triplet afterward has things visible, so I wanted to make it a different spacing to emphasize that there is an actual rhythm change here.
  3. 00:58:554 (9,10) - Why exactly is this spaced so low / not like the previous notes? If anything (10) is even more prominent than (8) so I don't understand that at all The phrase is moving and rising pitch-wise, but the dynamics are near-steady. I wanted to kind of show the rise of the melody line, but bring it back down to the fairly muted feel of the section.
  4. 01:48:842 (16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,1) - Are you sure that you want to differentiate between (18,19) and not (19,20)? (20) is a really loud note + it's the beginning of the new melody-line. Also, I don't understand why (22) stands out here, there's nothing special about that note to me This was just a simple grouping of fours. This is a pretty long stream of circles, and this is only a Hard level difficulty, so I don't want to make things too horribly complicated during a difficulty spike.
  5. 01:55:748 (14,15) - Dunno if this is an accident or not but that's significantly higher spaced than (15,16) which makes no sense to me, I'd understand spacing (17,18) more though This is just distance snap on a grid. It happens, and there's no significance behind it. I just wanted a tight-knit pattern for a long stream. I evened things out.
  6. While the notes at 02:16:684 (2,3) are significantly louder than the previous two white ticks you left out, that is not the case with 02:18:410 (4,5,6) and 02:17:979 - (what I mean is that 02:17:979 should really have a circle) It just didn't feel right for the diminishing ending to map that particular rhythm.
  7. Since there is nothing mapped beyong 02:22:333 why not make the timing sections line up so there isn't that much clutter of line or whatever in auto-converts and Nightcore? (what I mean is making the BPMs 125,9; 120,9 etc., right now the BPM-values make absolutely zero sense as they aren't snapped to the notes in-between anyways) If you want I can perfectly time the outro in a few minutes, it somehow makes me sad to see it half-done like this ^^ Talked to you in IRC and you're helping me out with this~
  8. About NCing: At 01:51:216(1) you start to NC in the patterns themselves, on the major downbeats, which you never did before, and while I don't have any solution for this combo since it's so long I think 02:14:525 (10,11,1) could definitely be done differently and maybe the two in-between too, rn it seems like starting from there you just generally NC'd every fourth measure (except that between 01:58:123 and 02:08:482 there are five but I don't think anyone notices that while playing bc of how the harmonies are built) which you never did before and I think that's kinda weird, I hope you understand what I mean lol This was honestly the hardest point for me to combo. Before I had the new combo at 01:49:705 - but the phrasing and the point of the melody line made it feel incredibly unbalanced and splitting up a stream like that wouldn't fit the combo flow visually. I opted to give it a more balanced feel for the gameplay for this one exception
Thanks for the check!
Bonsai
whee
code of the red lines for the outro
138842,406.779661016949,4,2,1,17,1,0
139452,470.588235294118,4,2,1,17,1,0
139922,400,4,2,1,17,1,0
140607,437.956204379562,4,2,1,17,1,0
142333,452.830188679245,4,2,1,25,1,0
142785,470.588235294118,4,2,1,25,1,0
143020,521.739130434783,4,2,1,25,1,0
143280,452.830188679245,4,2,1,25,1,0
143506,600,4,2,1,25,1,0
143806,652.173913043478,4,2,1,25,1,0
144132,727.272727272727,4,2,1,25,1,0
144495,705.882352941176,4,2,1,25,1,0
144847,875.912408759124,4,2,1,25,1,0
145284,1090.90909090909,4,2,1,25,1,0
145829,1333.33333333333,4,2,1,25,1,0
Topic Starter
Garven
All updated.
Irreversible
And it's ready again!
Yuii-
2
DaxMasterix
weeeee
DakeDekaane
Fail and applause sounds are so lovely, as well as the map.
Underforest
Applause sound makes me feel happy
Mao
<3
l1mi
I never understood when to use NC and just place them wherever I want them to be. But 30 notes long combos on a 139 BPM map is impressive. ^^


01:43:662 (2) - Because im an amature, want to learn and are curious I have to ask how it works. You seem to follow the right hand of the piano most of the times but there isnt anything playing here. How do one know where you can place notes where nothing is playing and when not to do it? Is there a way to know when it works and dont work?

Just to make it more clear, I dont criticize anything just want to learn.
edit: (the hard diff)
Bonsai
^ same :^)
Sieg

l1mi wrote:

I have to ask how it works.
Topic Starter
Garven
There's a lot of implied tones in the song - most of it ended up being a combination of consistency with the rhythms in the map and at least some echos of sounds to help guide these rhythms. You just kinda go with the feel of it - it's not like you're going to endlessly bash your head into a which canvas with paint buckets strapped to your back.
BeatofIke
Please enjoy game ^-^
Sieg

Garven wrote:

You just kinda go with the feel of it - it's not like you're going to endlessly bash your head into a which canvas with paint buckets strapped to your back.
words of gold
Topic Starter
Garven
Which = white damnit.
Sonnyc

Underforest wrote:

Applause sound makes me feel happy
damn lol'ed at that part

maybe will fl this someday
sKuhLight
Heey,

Really nice Beatmap! I wanted to ask, where I can find this song? :o

I can't find it on yt or find any Sheet Music for it :/ Would be awsm when someone can help :x
Topic Starter
Garven
Check this site out for more detailed information in English for all the tracks in this album.

http://vgmdb.net/album/47411

Official sheet music tends to be scarce unfortunately, so I haven't even bothered to try looking on this one.

If you're still having problems locating this, send me a PM and I can help you out.
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