i support this map.
please ranked soon!!
please ranked soon!!
22:16 Level 51: whenever you're ready? we can do irc mod
22:17 pporse: yes im ready! gogo
22:18 Level 51: :D ok
22:23 pporse: 00:34:955 (34955|4,35051|2,35147|4,35243|2,35340|4,35436|2) - how about this? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5335312
22:23 Level 51: ah i think you said that last time
22:23 Level 51: i'll change it
22:23 pporse: okk
22:24 pporse: 00:47:263 (47263|4,47359|2,47455|4,47551|2,47647|4,47743|2) - dont forget this part
22:25 Level 51: mhm
22:27 pporse: 00:57:070 (57070|3,57199|3,57327|3,57455|3,57583|3,57711|3,57840|3) - actually this structure is really hard pattern.
22:28 Level 51: ah yeah
22:28 Level 51: it was evening's suggestion
22:28 pporse: 00:57:455 (57455|3) - move to 5th column in order to reduce the pressure of thumb
22:28 Level 51: but that breaks the structure :s
22:28 pporse: if you change it,
22:29 Level 51: i think it's easier with thumb actually
22:29 pporse: yea
22:30 pporse: but it's just suggestion :3
22:30 Level 51: yea :d
22:32 pporse: 01:00:788 (60788|5,60852|6) - misplaced? i'm not sure that it is the correct position
22:32 Level 51: hm you're correct
22:32 Level 51: fixing that
22:38 pporse: 01:25:147 (85147|6,85147|4,85211|3,85275|2,85340|1,85340|5,85436|4,85436|2,85436|0) - hmm..i think it is not suited.
22:38 pporse: i hope that you focus on piano sound at 01:25:243 -
22:39 Level 51: as in?
22:39 Level 51: so just 3 chords instead of that?
22:41 Level 51: changed to http://puu.sh/pk2dl/97f3993ba0.png
22:43 pporse: well, how about this? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5335432 i think 2-jack pattern is suited in this part
22:45 Level 51: yeah that's pretty good
22:45 Level 51: done that
22:46 pporse: and..
22:46 pporse: 01:24:811 - there is drum sound in 1/8 snap
22:46 pporse: you can add notes
22:47 Level 51: i think it would make it too crowded
22:47 Level 51: i did hear that though
22:48 pporse: and 01:24:955 (84955|1,84955|2,85019|5,85019|4,85083|2,85083|0) - i think it should be located in 1/8 snap
22:48 pporse: it is not 1/6 snap (i guess)
22:49 Level 51: im hearing 1/6
22:50 pporse: hmm then keep it. actually i cannot believe my ear :p lol
22:51 Level 51: lol
22:51 pporse: 01:32:647 (92647|0,92711|1,92775|2,92840|3,92840|4,92904|5,92968|6) - this piano part is started at 01:32:455 -
22:52 Level 51: does it?
22:52 Level 51: oh well ill just add
22:52 Level 51: if it's wrong evening can remove
22:52 pporse: yea
22:52 pporse: i believe evening
22:52 pporse: hue
22:53 Level 51: lol
22:55 pporse: 01:38:417 (98417|5,98417|1,98609|3,98609|6) - hmm you used 2-chords on this timing.
22:56 Level 51: oh is that wrong?
22:56 pporse: but i think you should use 2-chords on 01:38:513 - 01:38:705 -
22:56 Level 51: it might be haha
22:56 Level 51: yeah agree
22:57 pporse: 01:44:570 (104570|6,104570|3,104763|2,104763|5) - same as before
22:57 Level 51: changed the whole section a bit
22:57 Level 51: mhm ok
22:59 pporse: 02:08:862 (128862|4,128894|2,128926|3,128991|0,128991|5,129055|1,129087|4,129119|2,129183|3,129183|6,129247|5,129279|1,129311|4) -
22:59 pporse: i guess it is 1/8 snap
23:01 Level 51: sounds more like 1/6 to me actually
23:01 Level 51: but i can hear a bit of 1/8
23:01 Level 51: very strange :S
23:02 pporse: we believe evening
23:02 pporse: huehue
23:03 Level 51: yeah ill ask evening haha
23:03 pporse: ask it to him when you're bn-check
23:03 Level 51: yeah
23:04 pporse: 02:11:202 (131202|3,131202|5) - hmm delete one note and add one note at 02:11:394 -
23:04 pporse: i think you should use 2chords at 02:11:394 -
23:04 Level 51: hm
23:05 Level 51: actually i think 02:11:394 - is only piano
23:05 Level 51: whereas 02:11:202 - has some drum
23:07 Level 51: haha there's no need to be so careful, bn check will pick up most of this~
23:07 pporse: this song is based on piano sound. all main sound is piano. so i think that it is better to use chord at piano timing
23:08 Level 51: hm
23:08 Level 51: well 02:11:202 - also has piano so :/
23:09 pporse: uh..there is no piano sound
23:09 Level 51: uh
23:10 Level 51: oh
23:11 Level 51: ok
23:11 Level 51: changed to http://puu.sh/pk3Np/b690ddcb5d.jpg
23:11 Level 51: hang on i need to change computers
23:11 Level 51: :s
23:12 pporse: ok
23:14 Level 51: hi
23:14 Level 51: i changed computer
23:15 pporse: yup
23:16 Level 51: i hope my internet connection is fine :s
23:17 pporse: 02:44:471 - add note? there is piano sound
23:19 Level 51: ok i'm ready!
23:20 pporse: 02:44:471 - add note? i guess there is piano sound :3
23:22 Level 51: oh
23:23 Level 51: done
23:23 pporse: 04:25:044 - hmm there is sound but you did not use note. is it your intention? :3
23:25 pporse: i think it is better to use note in there
23:28 Level 51: oh i missed that
23:29 Level 51: added
23:30 pporse: and 04:24:660 (264660|4,264660|1) - there is no synth sound.
23:30 Level 51: removed, and repositioned the stuff around it :D
23:31 pporse: ok :D
23:34 pporse: 05:04:275 (304275|5,304275|6,304371|5,304371|6) - 05:04:371 (304371|5,304371|6) - delete? there is no piano sound
23:34 Level 51: i hear one :s
23:36 pporse: hmm ok then ignore it :3 actually im not sure that
23:37 Level 51: im not sure either :3 haha
23:39 pporse: ok! i could not find any more issues
23:39 Level 51: ok! thanks so much!
23:39 Level 51: do you have the log? you can post it on the thread :D
23:39 pporse: ok i'll post it
* is mostly general statements and I use this to denote important mods to check through over again for myself
00:24:186 (24186|5,24186|2) - Personally think you can find a way to accent this instrument as the hat after this piano chord is the same note count added a note on 7
00:36:590 - Put a note (for hammer) on 5 to be consistent with the hammers here I don't hear anything there, that bit sounds distinctly different from the parts where there are actually hammers?
00:38:032 (38032|0) - Suggesting to move to the right by 1 since this piano sequence here isn't actually a trill so i'm suggesting something to avoid that Instead changed this from  to 
* 00:45:532 (45532|1) - Taking note that this section (from this timeframe forwards) is a repeat of the previous section (from this timeframe backwards), this section is slightly more intense with the introduction with more instrumentals (drums in particular), so I'm suggesting to beef up the note density/layering here by throwing extra notes on more prominent drums
00:45:917 (45917|2) - Just an example, I felt that this was rather underemphasized due to the heavy kick and clap in the music here I heavily value the symmetry of that section but I can see where you're coming from. So I tried to build a somewhat symmetrical pattern which fits the bill: http://puu.sh/pl8KS/346ff72c9f.jpg
00:57:840 - Rather understandable if you can't fit this idea in but:
Felt that it'd be great if you can somehow map in piano graces on (for example): 00:59:378 (59378|5,59955|3,60724|3) - 01:03:128 (63128|4) - and so on The reason I didn't map graces in this map is because then for the sake of consistency I'd have to apply them across all the graces I found, which can get kind of annoying both for me and the player. Also in cases such as this one it gets rather dense :S I'd rather leave them out
01:05:436 (65436|5) - Think it's better if you shift this down by 1/4, this is to emphasize the sound there and prevent chart from being way too smooth when there are accents in the music Assuming you meant shift backwards (earlier on the timeline). If so, done.
01:10:788 (70788|4) - Felt that it plays better on column 7, but then again this section is slightly mindblockable since you can't sweep 4567 for 01:11:109 (71109|4,71205|5,71237|3,71301|6) - so idk what you plan to do Made the first change, and deleted the notes at 01:11:173 (71173|2,71237|3) - to make the section more comfortable.
01:24:859 (84859|5) - Consider making this a 3 note chord for a piano chord here Added on 4
* 01:27:840 (87840|6,87840|3,87904|5,87936|2,87968|4,88032|3,88032|0,88096|1,88128|4,88160|2) - Tons of ghost notes here, might want to rethink patterning here Changed to this: http://puu.sh/pl5ry/62e8db8977.jpg . Relevant notes highlighted. Dunno how this place for a space bar user but I imagine it's fine.
* 01:30:532 (90532|2) - The 1/6 stream starts from here actually, i guess you can repattern this Attempted to repattern, hope this is ok http://puu.sh/pl8kH/00d7f167ac.jpg
* 01:32:455 (92455|6,94570|6) - Personally quite dislike this section due to linearity of layering and pretty much the lack of layering towards the drum here, I would suggest something like:
It's a rough pattern but shows the idea of how you can do a double 1/6 stream layer here instead of a 1-off piano layer Changed to this: http://puu.sh/pl79e/825cf08a5c.jpg
01:37:263 (97263|5,97263|4,97327|1,97327|2,97391|4,97391|5,97455|6,97455|0,97455|3) - Think that you can differentiate the different instrument used here by making it:
* 01:41:974 (101974|2,102070|3) - Not sure if you wanna map this 1/8 in Added
01:45:340 (105340|6,105404|5,105468|4,105532|3) - Quite sure this is 1/8 Changed to 1/8
01:46:878 (106878|4,106878|1,106974|5,106974|2,107070|3,107070|6,107070|0,107167|4,107167|1,107167|5,107263|3,107263|6,107263|2,107359|1,107359|5,107455|2,107455|3,107455|4,107455|0) - Chord here seem to emphasize on the wrong instrument? Especially with 01:47:455 (107455|2,107455|3,107455|0,107455|4) - ,a 4 note chord here doesn't feel right as it's comparitively softer Fixed! Here's the updated pattern http://puu.sh/pl7b2/4467201a20.jpg
01:50:051 (110051|3) - You missed a chord here Added
01:50:243 (110243|5) - Don't see a reason for a chord Fixed
01:52:455 (112455|4) - Either remove this or map the 1/4 before it that is blank, they are both hats and I'm not sure why you missed that one out and mapped this in Mapped the previous one in
01:54:763 (114763|2,114763|4) - Emphasize the last chord somehow since it's stronger with the drum Changed to a 3-chord
* 01:54:090 (114090|2,114090|5,114186|4,114186|1,114282|3,114282|0,114378|4,114378|1,114474|5,114474|2,114570|3,114570|6,114667|1,114667|5) - Adding onto that, you can probably make this denser as it's comparatively more intense than the previous piano section Changed to a 3-2-3-2 pattern
01:54:955 (114955|6,115147|4) - Sounds like a chord, if it is actually a chord then make the thing a chord i guess Chorded
01:56:301 (116301|4,116301|2) - Might want to make this a 3 note chord since there's a kick here and it's quite notice-able Changed to a 
* 02:01:298 (121298|0,121298|6,121394|2,121587|4,121587|5,121587|0,121587|6) - Personally think these sounds can be more emphasized through hammering and what not Respectfully disagree. Don't think the first sound needs much emphasis, and the second sound feels emphasised enough to me due to the outward sweep along .
02:08:221 (128221|2,128221|5) - Suggesting a 3 note chord to differentiate itself from other chords here Added a note on 7
* 02:08:798 (128798|6) - Piano is 1/8 here actually, would be best if you can do that but 1/6 would be arguably ok if you can't think of anything If 1/6 is ok I'd like to stick with that, plays better imo
02:17:548 (137548|4) - Think you can emphasize this a bit more Changed to a 2-note chord on  with the next two notes on 
02:20:112 (140112|4,140112|5,140176|1,140176|2,140241|5,140241|6) - Quite sure these are 1/12 early, shift them 1/12 later (redundance for clarification) Done, thanks for pointing that out, it was bugging me
* 02:21:106 (141106|6) - Piano is 1/8 again, if you wanna restructure Would rather not
* 02:27:773 (147773|2,147837|1,147837|0,147837|6,147837|5) - Would be *really* great if you can grace this piano to the right (there are more snaps here btw, approximation is allowed here since it's not that audible of a snap) Help how do I grace this :S
* 02:34:760 (154760|6,154760|5,154856|4,154856|3,154952|0,154952|1,155048|2,155048|3,155144|6,155144|5,155241|3,155241|4,155337|0,155337|1,155433|2,155433|3,155529|5,155529|4,155529|6) - There are variety of instruments here, I'm quite sure a non-linear/non-repeating pattern would be better Changed to http://puu.sh/pl7Vw/173f73f633.jpg
02:37:644 (157644|0,157709|2,157773|4) - This should be 1/8 Fixed
02:40:000 (160000|1,160048|2,160096|3) - Think this is 1/6 and 02:40:289 (160289|2) - this is probably a ghost note Fixed both
* 02:41:394 (161394|5,161491|3,161491|2) - Doesn't really make sense when you map this drum instrument then totally ignore it after 02:41:875 (161875|4,161875|5) - , not sure what you're planning here basically The chord is for the soft piano in the background, since I'm only mapping to the piano in that entire section. The single is intended as a ghost note to ease the transition from high density -> low density, but I can delete the single (and all the other ghosts in that section) if needed.
02:43:221 (163221|0,163221|6,163221|2) - Pretty sure this can be heavier than a 3 note chord Added a note
02:44:712 (164712|6) - Shift this to the above 1/12 Done all of these v
02:44:888 (164888|2) - Shift this to the below 1/16
02:45:209 (165209|1) - Shift this to the above 1/16
02:51:539 (171539|5) - Shift this to the below 1/12
02:51:747 (171747|4) - Shift this to the below 1/16 Assuming you mean the blue line here.
02:52:837 (172837|3) - Shift this to the below 1/16 That's already on a 1/16, so I assumed you meant to move it back one line to a yellow line.
02:53:093 (173093|3) - Shift this to the below 1/12 Already on a 1/12, so I assume I need to go back one more?
02:53:446 (173446|1) - Shift this to the above 1/16
02:53:734 (173734|4) - Shift this to the below 1/16
02:54:151 (174151|3) - Shift this to the above 1/16
02:54:343 (174343|2) - Shift this to the below 1/16 Done all of these ^
02:56:683 (176683|2,176779|4) - Think you can CTRL+H this for the hammer effect Nice, done
02:57:356 (177356|4,177741|2,178125|4) - Similarly Also nice, done
02:58:318 (178318|2,178414|4,178510|6) - Think you can shift all of this to the left by 1 since these piano notes are on different pitch within this section Shifted accordingly
WILL CONTINUE LATER
03:12:644 (192644|5,192644|2) - Piano starts 1/4 earlier here, you might want to take note of that added a chord just before
03:21:491 (201491|6,201683|5) - Not sure if you want to but you can probably squeeze in this 1/6 piano here added on 
03:22:548 (202548|2,202741|1,202933|0,203125|2) - There is also a piano sequence that goes up in pitch here, you can probably do a stair-to-the-right pattern here for the left hand added
03:29:369 (209369|4,209369|5,209369|3) - The chord here starts on the next measure line actually (on the red line) fixed
03:29:691 (209691|4) - think you missed a piano thing here changed that first note to a chord
03:29:991 (209991|0,210041|1,210091|2) - Suggesting a 1/12, the grace sounds faster than a 1/8 yeah sounds about right. fixed
03:35:264 (215264|5,215332|6,215400|4) - Shift this to the left by 1 column, quite sure the 2nd note is of the same pitch as 03:35:060 (215060|5) - shifted
03:37:022 (217022|5) - Think this is a 1/8 grace changed indeed to 1/8
03:37:566 - Snaps should be as follows (highlighted notes are the only ones shifted, the 2nd note there is on 1/12:wow o_o thanks man, i'm bad at snaps
* 03:38:944 - Suggesting something like this since the last 2 beats there is a skip/grace beat so it's better to kind of separate both of them instead of doing them as a chordthat looks like a cool pattern, fixed
03:46:487 - Taking note of the accents in the piano here, you can potentially break the stream to do a chord pattern here just to map to them:looks good!
** 03:55:269 (235269|2,235301|1,235333|0,235397|1) - The anchor here on column 2 is rather hard to execute, 03:56:102 (236102|6) - the anchor on 6 here is also hard to execute, quite a big change but i suggest:oof. yeah agree that that pattern is kinda dumb, changed to your suggestion since it's about the best i'll get
03:56:935 (236935|0,237064|1,237192|2) - Not too sure why are they 1/6 lagging behind those drum hits oops, fixed.
04:05:141 (245141|0,245205|1,245269|2) - This is 1/8, not sure if you plan to change it however did that
* 04:13:987 (253987|3,253987|0,254083|1,254083|5,254179|2,254275|3,254371|4,254468|5,254564|2,254564|0,254564|6) - Personally think that you can do a more grand/intense/strong build up here:
Not too sure if you're a fan of big chord hammers but this is one of many ways you can do it:the  hammer was a bit awkward for me personally so I changed it to a simple  hammer: http://puu.sh/pmviy/a82fd3cba7.jpg
04:33:506 (273506|3) - Think this can be a 2 note chord considering how you layered this part added
04:35:237 (275237|5) - and this can be 3 added also
04:42:737 (282737|1) - Suggesting to move up by 1/4 because 1) it's a ghosty 2) for drum thing did
04:55:044 (295044|4,295044|1) - Think you can shift these upwards, same reason as above coincidentally did also coincidentally
* 04:56:294 (296294|1,296294|2,296487|5,296487|4,296583|2,296679|1,296775|4,296775|5,296871|3,296968|2,297064|1,297064|0) - Think you can structure this like:cooL
** 05:06:679 (306679|1,306679|2,306679|0,306968|0,306968|2,306968|1,307064|2,307064|0,307064|1,307352|1,307352|2,307352|0,307641|0,307641|2,307641|1,307737|1,307737|0,307737|2) - eeeh i can only hear notes on:discussed with you on discord
** 05:13:025 - the pattern here is... just really hard to execute well, i think this will work better:agreed and fixed!
Level 51 wrote:Hi Blocko!Hi Level 51!
Evening gave me a BN check, but there is one issue he and I are both not sure about. He asked me to ask you to check out this one issue and provide some feedback on it before he bubbles, since as far as we both know you're probably the most qualified for this task. Here's a link to his check: >click< and specifically the issue we are looking at is the one which he brought up at 05:06:679 (306679|1,306679|2,306679|0,306968|0,306968|2,306968|1,307064|2,307064|0,307064|1,307352|1,307352|2,307352|0,307641|0,307641|2,307641|1,307737|1,307737|0,307737|2) - .
Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
Well, those chords are rather faint but they're still pretty audible to me. If you wanna keep things consistent, you can keep that current pattern.
Though, if you wanna be more correct with those piano chords in the end, see this:
05:01:775 - http://puu.sh/pnTro/981c933e66.png
05:04:852 - http://puu.sh/pnTtn/724c37ab18.png
There's a piano chord that's in between those two big chords from what I'm hearing.
05:07:544 - http://puu.sh/pnTCE/b0b40cb0fa.png
This one is to accentuate the louder chords there.
Hope this helps your map overall! Good luck.
BN checkimplemented and updated and etc so bubble is pop. dunno what that means. o wellTiming
I see the timing corrections you and Evening did, but I hate to see a map approximating the rhythm with 1/12 adjustments and odd offset changes. I went through and timed the weird part more rigorously for you. Here's my version of the timing points + resnapped notes: http://puu.sh/pSHMJ.osu (right click > save link as)
You can choose to stay with the old timing if you'd like. My version may have the advantage of being slightly more on-sync (I hope) and having more sensible snaps, but it also clutters up the playfield with measure lines. I'm pretty sure the old version is synced well enough to be rankable, so if you don't like the measure lines that's cool Added the new timings, thank you so much! I'm not good with timings which is why I couldn't do it myself also measure lines are cool
04:38:025 - can I ask you to reconsider this kiai start? Unlike 00:18:224 - , 01:57:452 - , 02:09:760 - , etc, I don't hear a significant buildup to the second beat of the measure. The kiai start might fit better at 04:36:006 - which sounds like the culmination of the buildup or 04:37:641 - at the start of the measure Agreed! Changed the start of the kiai to 04:36:006 -
I suggest you add the album name AD:PIANO 2 (source: http://diverse.jp/dvsp-0107/ ) and marathon cus why not, maybe people will be searching for marathons Added both!
Can you explain what the tag world fragments means? I need to know before I bubble World Fragments is what I assumed the name of the album or something was. Of course I'm just inferring this off contextual clues, so I could be very wrong about this. Source: http://diverse.jp/dvsp-0145/hahaha because DNA is in the nucleus hehehehe ok Technically DNA is a subset of the wider range of nucleic acids. Of course I'm always up for changing it to the Gradual Intensification of an Incomprehensibly Complex Deoxyribonucleic Structure.
00:26:750 - did you mean to put the two-note chord here for the drum? the only sound at 00:26:782 - is a hi hat i think fixed
00:42:070 - no 1/6? (you mapped the corresponding 1/6 at 00:54:378 - ) uh, the 1/6 here is significantly softer, which is why I missed it out to begin with. Nonetheless I've added it
01:32:455 (92455|6,92519|5,92583|4,92647|0,92711|1,92775|2) - I only hear 1/4 here oops. fixed!
02:07:741 - chord pls chorded
03:31:183 - shouldn't this all be 1/6 correct! not sure what I was hearing the first time
03:44:516 (224516|0,224804|0) - I think these both go on the 1/12 before it oh ok cool. wasn't sure about that myself.
04:59:083 - I don't hear a piano here oh ok. changed to 
I just had the best idea. Pattern suggestion: http://puu.sh/pSNl6.osu
note that I added notes at 02:53:894 - and 02:54:535 - to preserve the pattern. I think there are quiet piano sounds there, but you can get rid of them if you want
don't feel pressured to change it but please, it would be LEGENDARY added. something something legendary
My two cents:
I think the other modders were on to something when they said the patterning was *too* consistent. Just look at the 1-2-3 and 5-6-7-esque patterns everywhere. However, what they failed to point out is that it makes the map feel more cohesive and distinct. It gives it more personality. You can even consider 1-2-3 to be a sort of motif
(Of course, if all your maps end up looking like that then it can get tiresome) <-- oh no
This song is great for mapping and you really did justice to the nuances of rhythm, pitch, and structure. The streams are fun too. I'll be glad to bubble this set once you respond to my suggestions. Note that if you implement any of the larger changes then we'll need Evening to re-bubble as well. Cheers thanks! I implemented like everything so I assume that means I need Evening to rebub this ;_;
I think you forgot to add the tags, if you wouldn't mind doing that. small change so we don't need a re-bubble from EveningAAAA I somehow forgot to do that!! Or maybe I accidentally edited the tags on the wrong map oops BUT it's done now >:3
You noticed what the pattern I suggested resembles, right?OH I JUST REALISED LOL THAT'S GREAT