Gaia wrote:

P A N wrote:

just waiting Gaia to be BN again

- Frontier - wrote:

Why not Yoiyami Hanabi

Kalibe wrote:

wow

Tachibana Kanade wrote:

randomly testplay and my advice:
03:15:689 (2,3) - a little weird set? yea I planned to fix it.
03:44:371 (3,4) - feel inconsistent with the song's sound nice catch
05:09:096 (1) - I'm not sure about this slider. i test and feel like maybe change the slider to 3 single notes feels better while playing. sounds double here imo, let's keep this first
nice map !

thanks for mod and testplay

FrostxE wrote:

m4m

General
I'm not sure if it's right to add tags regarding some parts in this song such as "hatsune miku" being used in the very end or "Fantasy Impromptu" in the middle to the end, I don't think it hurts to add them

Revenge
offset could be 73362 (-20) if I'm not mistaken, it feels the whole song could be applied with this offset
I will focus on hitsounds mainly, the playability in this map overall is great except the length of the song which made me choke at the end xdxdxdxdxd
01:27:867 (1) - finish only without clap
01:34:296 (1) - ^
01:36:933 (1) - ^
01:49:955 (1,2,3,4) - could add additional claps to fill the emotion here, seems very fitting with the song when it's moving to the another verse
01:53:252 (2) - remove whistle
01:59:515 (1) - add whistle
02:15:010 (6) - remove whistle
02:35:120 (1) - whistle to fit along with 02:40:394 (1) -
02:42:208 (3,4) - whistle
03:58:197 (1) - only clap at end
05:40:065 (2) - clap instead of whistle
05:40:230 (1) - remove whistle at end
07:37:757 (3) - only clap at start
08:16:658 (1) - clap at start
08:48:142 (4,5) - could add notes here for triple
08:50:779 (4,5) - ^

GL P A N

Dyl-Byl wrote:

Hi! From #modreqs and my queue! If I was a BN, I would bubble this but there are some stuff...

[General]
(References, metadata stuff)
http://www.animelyrics.com/doujin/sanhora/yoiyaminouta.htm
Nothing Else. um what do you mean, you mean the title is Yoiyami no Uta Song of Twilight's Darkness or should add Song of Twilight's Darkness on some place?
[Revenge]
01:33:801 (1,2,3,1) - This should be placed like that. like..... that? what is that?
01:44:351 (1,2,3,1) - ^ ^
02:27:208 (1) - No NC here. umm NC here because of big white tick
02:27:537 (2) - NC big white tick is here 02:27:208 (1)
02:42:208 (3,4,5) - I don't think you should put triples here. It doesn't sound right. Remove the 4. it's really a triple there.
05:28:526 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - By listening to the music, it sounds like these should be placed more farther. umm i think they're already fit
06:53:581 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Doing that can seriously hurt someones hand and you're using way too many circles. I love this, and it's a approved extra diff.
09:49:131 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ^ same here.
10:05:449 (1,2,3) - Get rid of the 2. um it's very fit.

Rumia- wrote:

bn plz bubble thx

1. 01:27:867 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Personally I find streams on blue ticks really annoying to play xD. I'd much rather begin the stream on a strong note.
2. 01:27:867 (1) - Make this 1/2 slider instead? xD. I think it'll be more appreciated
3. 01:34:790 (2,3) - 01:35:120 (4,5) - You could try Ctrl+G'ing them. The flow you get is pretty fun to play too but you also get a change in spacing that emphasizes the strong beats.
4. 01:38:416 (1,2) - 01:38:746 (3,4) - Same could apply here. Ctrl+G'ing would give some nice emphasis onto 1, right now the spacing makes it seem unimportant.
5. 01:54:405 (2,3) - I wasn't completely sure what this rhythm was following. I would have used two 1/2 sliders instead to follow the vocals a bit better since the circles you use later seem to follow the vocals too (01:58:526 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - )
6. 02:11:383 (1,2) - This could be misread as a 1/2 jump because the spacing is quite similar. Maybe two 1/2 sliders instead for 1?
7. 02:20:285 (2,3) - This rhythm should be Ctrl+G"ed so you can begin the combo's on the downbeat 02:20:614 - . The jumps you set up here begin on red ticks so they feel offbeat relative to where you NC. Compare this section with 01:48:966 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - .
8. 03:15:669 (2,3,1) - I wish you made these jumps bigger. This whole section with the jumps was really fun to play xD I would end on a high note. Same with 09:06:438 (2,3,4) - much later on
   
   Tried something

   
9. 04:35:944 - Not going to map the drum beat here? I think people are most accustomed to 1/1 gaps than 3/2 gaps so even if the beat is kinda feint here i doubt people will mind, or take much notice. Up to you tho~
10. 04:45:669 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - How about having the SV increase for each slider? Right now you're going 0.5 > 0.75 > 1 you could try 0.5 > 0.625 > 0.75 > 0.875 > 1.00 (since there are 5 sliders). Would create a more noticeable buildup effect.
11. 04:48:307 - Just something about the storyboard, but here, there's like one random feather at the right of the screen floating down and its not rotating. It's also like alone so it looks a bit out of place imo...
12. 05:04:460 (2) - You could Ctrl+G this for emphasis if you're alright with using a flowbreak here xD. I think it fits (I would put a flowbreak here if i was mapping this xD).
13. 05:06:768 (1) - I think, just going by patterning, you can remove this NC. Even tho it's a downbeat, it fits well musically with the combo before it, having a stand-alone NC kinda makes it feel really important but imo its just another slider haha.
14. 05:09:241 - You could add another kickslider here imo.
    
    Just an idea

    
15. 05:14:680 - The music noticeably increases in pitch here, but you already use like cross-screen slider jumps here. Have you considered increasing the SV here a bit more? Or is that too much xD.
16. 05:23:087 (2,3) - Blanket's off xd
17. 06:17:153 (5,1) - I would map a larger jump here xD. Triangle = all notes in the triangle are the same "strength" but here 1 kinda deserves more emphasis imo xD.
18. 07:08:664 (8,9,10) - The stream transition here looked a bit off... Can you make it more smooth?
19. 07:33:636 - There's a clear piano note here, you should map it imo since a 1/1 gap doesn't function very well when it skips a note.
20. 08:00:834 (1) - The sliderpath here isn't really predictable given its shape... and thats a problem lol.
    
    Tried something similar

    
21. 09:12:702 (1) - Red combo color instead? You use the white for like "quiet" parts where the storyboard is like black, but the storyboard is playing here and this part's pretty intense xD.
22. 09:59:680 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Niiice.

Monstrata wrote:

[Retribution]

1. 01:27:867 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Personally I find streams on blue ticks really annoying to play xD. I'd much rather begin the stream on a strong note.
2. 01:27:867 (1) - Make this 1/2 slider instead? xD. I think it'll be more appreciated I found 1/1 slider is kinda fit with that strecth sound as andddd imo that stream start on blue tick is playing fine >_>
3. 01:34:790 (2,3) - 01:35:120 (4,5) - You could try Ctrl+G'ing them. The flow you get is pretty fun to play too but you also get a change in spacing that emphasizes the strong beats. agreed, let's try
4. 01:38:416 (1,2) - 01:38:746 (3,4) - Same could apply here. Ctrl+G'ing would give some nice emphasis onto 1, right now the spacing makes it seem unimportant. ^
5. 01:54:405 (2,3) - I wasn't completely sure what this rhythm was following. I would have used two 1/2 sliders instead to follow the vocals a bit better since the circles you use later seem to follow the vocals too (01:58:526 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - ) 01:55:065 (4) - this rhythm I want to put circle because follow kick sound.
6. 02:11:383 (1,2) - This could be misread as a 1/2 jump because the spacing is quite similar. Maybe two 1/2 sliders instead for 1? hm sorry I really love this one for some reason. let's count it as an anti-jump.
7. 02:20:285 (2,3) - This rhythm should be Ctrl+G"ed so you can begin the combo's on the downbeat 02:20:614 - . The jumps you set up here begin on red ticks so they feel offbeat relative to where you NC. Compare this section with 01:48:966 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - . yes you are right, fixed.
8. 03:15:669 (2,3,1) - I wish you made these jumps bigger. This whole section with the jumps was really fun to play xD I would end on a high note. Same with 09:06:438 (2,3,4) - much later on fixed!
   
   Tried something

   
9. 04:35:944 - Not going to map the drum beat here? I think people are most accustomed to 1/1 gaps than 3/2 gaps so even if the beat is kinda feint here i doubt people will mind, or take much notice. Up to you tho~ I don't want to map the full map here at first >< I want it to be relax part.
10. 04:45:669 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - How about having the SV increase for each slider? Right now you're going 0.5 > 0.75 > 1 you could try 0.5 > 0.625 > 0.75 > 0.875 > 1.00 (since there are 5 sliders). Would create a more noticeable buildup effect. nice idea.
11. 04:48:307 - Just something about the storyboard, but here, there's like one random feather at the right of the screen floating down and its not rotating. It's also like alone so it looks a bit out of place imo...
12. 05:04:460 (2) - You could Ctrl+G this for emphasis if you're alright with using a flowbreak here xD. I think it fits (I would put a flowbreak here if i was mapping this xD). kinda agree with this, it's more like the start of other stanza.
13. 05:06:768 (1) - I think, just going by patterning, you can remove this NC. Even tho it's a downbeat, it fits well musically with the combo before it, having a stand-alone NC kinda makes it feel really important but imo its just another slider haha. k
14. 05:09:241 - You could add another kickslider here imo. tried to add.
    
    Just an idea

    
15. 05:14:680 - The music noticeably increases in pitch here, but you already use like cross-screen slider jumps here. Have you considered increasing the SV here a bit more? Or is that too much xD. agreed with this
16. 05:23:087 (2,3) - Blanket's off xd okie xd
17. 06:17:153 (5,1) - I would map a larger jump here xD. Triangle = all notes in the triangle are the same "strength" but here 1 kinda deserves more emphasis imo xD. as you wish XD
18. 07:08:664 (8,9,10) - The stream transition here looked a bit off... Can you make it more smooth? damn, finally someone catch it.
19. 07:33:636 - There's a clear piano note here, you should map it imo since a 1/1 gap doesn't function very well when it skips a note. ok!
20. 08:00:834 (1) - The sliderpath here isn't really predictable given its shape... and thats a problem lol. damn
    
    Tried something similar

    
21. 09:12:702 (1) - Red combo color instead? You use the white for like "quiet" parts where the storyboard is like black, but the storyboard is playing here and this part's pretty intense xD. ok!
22. 09:59:680 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Niiice. niceeeeee

Okay call me back when you're ready!

Monstrata wrote:

Alright, everything looks good. Bubbled!

Good job~

smallboat wrote:

Fix some rhythm with mapper make it more good play imo. #2 Bubbled

Some message

2016-03-24 00:39 P A N: hello >_>
2016-03-24 00:39 P A N: do you accept mod request? I have bubbled map and no BN want to do it
2016-03-24 00:40 P A N: really sad life and i can m4m
2016-03-24 01:05 smallboat: Hi PAN, are you mean the 'Sound Horizon' the app map?
2016-03-24 01:05 P A N: yes ><
2016-03-24 01:12 smallboat: okay checking..
2016-03-24 01:30 smallboat: 05:30:175 (2) - Feel the sliderend snap at bluetick..? Have a bit confused imo
2016-03-24 01:31 smallboat: 07:35:285 (4) - Open 25% seems the head snap at 1/3
2016-03-24 01:36 P A N: ok wait
2016-03-24 01:36 P A N: first one is kinda not 1/3 too >_>
2016-03-24 01:37 smallboat: oh lol
2016-03-24 01:38 P A N: i fixed the second one
2016-03-24 01:38 P A N: you are right
2016-03-24 01:38 P A N: both head and tail is 1/3
2016-03-24 01:38 smallboat: yes 1/3
2016-03-24 01:40 smallboat: I think this 1/3 slider maybe can change 2 notes make play better, you think?
2016-03-24 01:42 smallboat: you can select keep or change, follow your opinion :3
2016-03-24 01:43 P A N: 05:29:845 (1,2) - do you mean 05:29:845 (1,2) -
2016-03-24 01:43 smallboat: not
2016-03-24 01:43 smallboat: 07:35:285 (4) -this
2016-03-24 01:43 P A N: ah
2016-03-24 01:44 smallboat: yes
2016-03-24 01:44 P A N: circle is good too
2016-03-24 01:45 smallboat: Example : http://puu.sh/nRbyB/d073dab0d9.jpg
2016-03-24 01:46 smallboat: my opinion ↑
2016-03-24 01:52 smallboat:  wait for you
2016-03-24 01:52 P A N: sorry, thinking about good  pattern XD
2016-03-24 01:52 smallboat: oh okay
2016-03-24 01:52 smallboat: then nothing to say
2016-03-24 01:52 smallboat: :333
2016-03-24 01:53 smallboat: so just move that 1/3 snap only, right?
2016-03-24 01:57 P A N: ok finished fixing the 1/3 snap
2016-03-24 01:57 P A N: next is 05:29:845 (1,2) -
2016-03-24 01:57 P A N: hmmm
2016-03-24 01:58 smallboat: this you say keep 
2016-03-24 01:58 smallboat: then just keep it
2016-03-24 01:58 smallboat: follow yours
2016-03-24 01:58 smallboat: :3
2016-03-24 01:59 P A N: i think the snap doesn't right
2016-03-24 01:59 smallboat: yes maybe..
2016-03-24 02:00 P A N: how about http://puu.sh/nRctS/4fca3aed6d.jpg
2016-03-24 02:00 P A N: I think it works
2016-03-24 02:02 smallboat: yes your opinion is right imo
2016-03-24 02:02 P A N: alright
2016-03-24 02:02 P A N: yea i think snap is like this
2016-03-24 02:03 smallboat: yes, then fix this later and go update it. :) 
2016-03-24 02:10 P A N: please wait, im fixing other thing ><
2016-03-24 02:10 P A N: this snap sounds weird too 05:31:658 -
2016-03-24 02:10 P A N: im trying my best to don't make it dq
2016-03-24 02:10 smallboat: yes don't DQ imo too..lol..
2016-03-24 02:11 P A N: ahahaha
2016-03-24 02:11 P A N: yea im checking too
2016-03-24 02:15 smallboat: 05:31:658 (4,5,1) -  oh.. open 25% to listen the snap really have some weird..right
2016-03-24 02:15 P A N: yes
2016-03-24 02:16 smallboat: but you follow the heavy drum
2016-03-24 02:16 smallboat: play fine imo
2016-03-24 02:16 P A N: umm tbh i followed guitar >_>
2016-03-24 02:17 smallboat: oh is guitar I  say error XD
2016-03-24 02:17 P A N: but snap is wrong, play fine can't be an excuse
2016-03-24 02:17 P A N: thanks to you
2016-03-24 02:18 P A N: your "follow the heavy drum" gave me an idea
2016-03-24 02:18 P A N: 05:31:493 - http://puu.sh/nRdHe/567f08fe87.jpg
2016-03-24 02:18 P A N: follow drum like this is more safe!
2016-03-24 02:18 smallboat: yep seems more safe
2016-03-24 02:21 smallboat: your update pic, the (1) slider reverse has no snap there.
2016-03-24 02:23 P A N: umm
2016-03-24 02:23 P A N: 25% it has i think
2016-03-24 02:23 P A N: i heard that
2016-03-24 02:23 smallboat: well okay ~
2016-03-24 02:28 P A N: i will change CS to 4.5 too is that ok?
2016-03-24 02:29 smallboat: okay sure I think fine
2016-03-24 02:35 smallboat: lol
2016-03-24 02:37 P A N: alright!
2016-03-24 02:37 P A N: im ready
2016-03-24 02:38 smallboat: okay~
2016-03-24 02:38 P A N: wait relogin
2016-03-24 02:39 smallboat: ok
2016-03-24 02:40 P A N: hm error :/
2016-03-24 02:40 P A N: please wait
2016-03-24 02:40 smallboat: lol
2016-03-24 02:41 P A N: i think it worked?
2016-03-24 02:41 P A N: bubble already popped
2016-03-24 02:41 P A N: please try update
2016-03-24 02:42 P A N: 05:29:845 (1,2,3,4,1) - 05:31:823 (1,2,3) - 07:35:120 (3,1,1,1) - is where i fixed
2016-03-24 02:43 smallboat: yes i see, seems more good
2016-03-24 02:43 P A N: yes!
2016-03-24 02:45 smallboat: Okay I give #2 later.
2016-03-24 02:45 P A N: thanks >_>

1. 01:43:362 (1,2) - This jump kills somehow the pattern you started with these 01:42:702 (2,3) - two objects. As they are increasing, the effect of placing (1) and (2) on the near spot of (4) and (5) doesn't have much sense when the patter would have flowed better if those objects were applied with Ctrl + H to have keep the transition the overall pattern was built.
2. 02:10:724 (3) - Here a NC would play better since the rhythm stops somehow here 02:10:394 - so this will give players the idea the transition of the two objects have a different spacing.
3. 02:18:636 (1,2,3,1) - I don't know if it was just me but this pattern triggers me somehow. Taking account how you placed these jump-patterns in the previous segments, this patterns breaks the structure a bit because it isn't so intuitive to click where (1) is currently. It would be way better if (1) were where (2) is to create the idea of jump-emphasis in concordance of the previous similar patterns.
4. 02:36:109 (4,5) - These two objects stacked felt like they killed the momentum of jump which was supposed to be here judging for the composition of the overall segment. I do believe placing (5) here 286|335 would increse the palyability here.
5. 02:42:867 (7) - Rhythmically talking, this 1/4 slider doesn't really support the instrument due there's no beat to highlight at the blue tick. Hence, using a circle here would avoid creating such as slight offbeats as that slider does.
6. Well, the stream of the end really destroyed my hopes of being able to pass this map. XD

1. Is the unchecked Widescreen Support intentional? Because as it is now, I see the potential of the storyboard were reduced due this issue. I do believe checking it would increase significantly perception of the storyboard.
2. Now the opposite issue would go over Letterbox during Breaks. Is there any relevant point to have this option enabled? As long as the storyboard doesn't manage lyrics or waves on the breakswhere players can notice a different of the horizontal screen to have this option activated, this storyboard doesn't really support it. It would be way better if you unchecked it to fix this.

HappyRocket88 wrote:

Aside from that, would you mind giving me an explanation of these points and tell me if I'm wrong or something.

1. Is the unchecked Widescreen Support intentional? Because as it is now, I see the potential of the storyboard were reduced due this issue. I do believe checking it would increase significantly perception of the storyboard.
   Yes, this is intentional. The last time i made storyboard was like 6 years ago. I didnt know current platform support Widescreen after i finished it. I'll do it next time if i have chance to.
2. Now the opposite issue would go over Letterbox during Breaks. Is there any relevant point to have this option enabled? As long as the storyboard doesn't manage lyrics or waves on the breakswhere players can notice a different of the horizontal screen to have this option activated, this storyboard doesn't really support it. It would be way better if you unchecked it to fix this. wopps. I totally forgot to tell P A N to disable it.

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That should be all from my side. Call me back if needed. Would you mind providing the metadata of the song? So if it's unclear we can ask Kwan for clarification!

HappyRocket88 wrote:

Hellow. As somehow requested a m4m in #modhelp. The difficulty is quite polished already and I don't have such as complains regarding rhythms but some jumps could be slightly re-positioned to improve the playability a bit. For example:

1. 01:43:362 (1,2) - This jump kills somehow the pattern you started with these 01:42:702 (2,3) - two objects. As they are increasing, the effect of placing (1) and (2) on the near spot of (4) and (5) doesn't have much sense when the patter would have flowed better if those objects were applied with Ctrl + H to have keep the transition the overall pattern was built. make sense. tried something.
2. 02:10:724 (3) - Here a NC would play better since the rhythm stops somehow here 02:10:394 - so this will give players the idea the transition of the two objects have a different spacing. imo NC here kinda unnecessary because the spacing is already obvious about 1/1 and 1/2.
3. 02:18:636 (1,2,3,1) - I don't know if it was just me but this pattern triggers me somehow. Taking account how you placed these jump-patterns in the previous segments, this patterns breaks the structure a bit because it isn't so intuitive to click where (1) is currently. It would be way better if (1) were where (2) is to create the idea of jump-emphasis in concordance of the previous similar patterns. imo it's already intuitive because it's being liner with the slider.
4. 02:36:109 (4,5) - These two objects stacked felt like they killed the momentum of jump which was supposed to be here judging for the composition of the overall segment. I do believe placing (5) here 286|335 would increse the palyability here. fixed but damn, i made new pattern before notice that you suggest the coordinates. so yea I did my pattern here.
5. 02:42:867 (7) - Rhythmically talking, this 1/4 slider doesn't really support the instrument due there's no beat to highlight at the blue tick. Hence, using a circle here would avoid creating such as slight offbeats as that slider does. k
6. Well, the stream of the end really destroyed my hopes of being able to pass this map. XD i love deathstream

Aside from that, would you mind giving me an explanation of these points and tell me if I'm wrong or something.

1. Is the unchecked Widescreen Support intentional? Because as it is now, I see the potential of the storyboard were reduced due this issue. I do believe checking it would increase significantly perception of the storyboard. It's intentional because SBer prefer to make SB for standard resolution.
2. Now the opposite issue would go over Letterbox during Breaks. Is there any relevant point to have this option enabled? As long as the storyboard doesn't manage lyrics or waves on the breakswhere players can notice a different of the horizontal screen to have this option activated, this storyboard doesn't really support it. It would be way better if you unchecked it to fix this. k.

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That should be all from my side. Call me back if needed. Would you mind providing the metadata of the song? So if it's unclear we can ask Kwan for clarification!