In terms of implication this is the exact same as having unused files in a mapset. It's a waste of space and extra bandwidth on the osu's server for every single person that downloads it. Seriously..? There is literally 0 reason to not change this outside of the "meme".gracefu wrote:
I disagree, Wafu is not "correct". The mapset doesn't actually break any rules in the RC. You *could* tighten the rules a little, but it doesn't *technically* break any rules (at least regarding the audio quality). Especially with such a hype rank date, it'd be a real real shame to DQ this because of something trivial and doesn't actually break any RC.
Xexxar pls not this map... not this map!
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Xexxar wrote:
In terms of implication this is the exact same as having unused files in a mapset. It's a waste of space and extra bandwidth on the osu's server for every single person that downloads it. Seriously..? There is literally 0 reason to not change this outside of the "meme".
No it is not the same. You're being unnecessarily pedantic about this, unused hitsounds are EASY to identify, EASY to remove. And the thing about mp3s is that while yes, its possible to improve it, the 'improvement' is really minimal, its already functional as it is. If you want to be so particular, you can say the same for backgrounds with bad compression, hitsounds with unnecessarily high bitrate as well as unnecessary green lines.
Yes, there is a line you have to draw but this is not crossing it whatsoever.
Shohei Ohtani
he has a right to mod it but so does everyone else and if someone else wants to rank it then they're allowed to do that just as much as Wafu has the right to mod it lol. If he has legitimate concerns, he should have brought it up beforehand, or mentioned it afterwards without being a child about it.Xexxar wrote:
Not only that but he still has the right to mod a map while it's qualified. The whole purpose of the qualified section is to promote an increase in a beatmap's quality. If he has legitimate concerns this mapset should be DQ'd so they can be properly addressed instead of rushed for your "le ranked at same day as title" meme.
not commenting on the first part because everyone else already hit on that.
I completely agree with Reditum here.
It really does seem like this is just witch-hunting for a ''potentially discussable'' issue so it can be DQ'd just because Wafu is angry about the placeholder thing.
I'm not against DQing a mapset if it warrants significant improvement or issues that actually matter and are of disadvantage to a majority of the players, but this is just way too overscrupulous and makes no sense whatsoever.
Can we now please stop this pointless charade already? It's just a repeating cycle that leads to nothing but drama.
It really does seem like this is just witch-hunting for a ''potentially discussable'' issue so it can be DQ'd just because Wafu is angry about the placeholder thing.
I'm not against DQing a mapset if it warrants significant improvement or issues that actually matter and are of disadvantage to a majority of the players, but this is just way too overscrupulous and makes no sense whatsoever.
Can we now please stop this pointless charade already? It's just a repeating cycle that leads to nothing but drama.
What Wafu means is that even though the mp3 displays as 192 kbps in the file, it's actual quality is lower than a 128 kbps mp3 which is why he claims it's unrankable. Kind of a grey area though.
If I can get 0 kpbs ranked then Hula can get 192 kpbs ranked. I really don't see the problem here. Besides, Hula said that this is the original mp3, as in there is no better quality or kbps available. So where IS the problem???
...It's so easy to lie and get people believe. I already proved why the quality is so terrible, I even posted it, so don't claim it's the highest quality available.Timorisu wrote:
If I can get 0 kpbs ranked then Hula can get 192 kpbs ranked. I really don't see the problem here. Besides, Hula said that this is the original mp3, as in there is no better quality or kbps available. So where IS the problem???
Stefan, if I, the one who provided constructive argument which is proven correct and breaking ranking criteria is supposed to shut up, then why do others have right to take mods AGAIN on personal level or eventually humiliate me by those "Placeholder - Wafu 2016" and other posts which are not related to the theme and are here just to f*** me off?
Well, this is more of a chain of mistakes from both "parties"
First of all, following a wise decision imo, Okoratu should have asked through PM to Wafu what were his intentions regarding the mapset and Wafu shouldn't have brought up such a minor matter up to this level (we are talking about 1 MB or even less, while there are thousands of maspets into the graveyard from various new mappers or just troll maps, so I can't really see a need to complain about bandwidth). The rest is just stubborness, yada yada, bla bla
Anyway, as said before, the thread is more than twice it should have been already... If QATs deem this as inappropriate, be it, but is there really any point in arguing so much...
First of all, following a wise decision imo, Okoratu should have asked through PM to Wafu what were his intentions regarding the mapset and Wafu shouldn't have brought up such a minor matter up to this level (we are talking about 1 MB or even less, while there are thousands of maspets into the graveyard from various new mappers or just troll maps, so I can't really see a need to complain about bandwidth). The rest is just stubborness, yada yada, bla bla
Anyway, as said before, the thread is more than twice it should have been already... If QATs deem this as inappropriate, be it, but is there really any point in arguing so much...
We disqualify first, then we discuss.
To the mapset contributors, please go through everything that was mentioned carefully and elaborate wether it would be wise to make changes.
To Wafu, complaining about an "ignored placeholder" is pretty pointless, as Stefan already said, your mod after qualification is as impactful as a mod before qualification.
To the mapset contributors, please go through everything that was mentioned carefully and elaborate wether it would be wise to make changes.
To Wafu, complaining about an "ignored placeholder" is pretty pointless, as Stefan already said, your mod after qualification is as impactful as a mod before qualification.
Topic Starter
Well. Rip the deam.
What's there to discuss? We've fucking exhausted everything there is to discuss on this mapset already. Haven't you read the drama? I'm not changing anything, since i'm only doing stuff which has been done a million times over.
The effory people are putting into the discussion about this map is way too over the top. Other mapsets with more real issues about playability and stuff would benefit. This whole thing is just annoying. Especially wafu, don't want his mods, sorry mate.
Edit: i kindly now ask Wafu to stop posting on this thread since he's only feeding and enabling the drama. Immature basically.
I'll accept mods from other people
What's there to discuss? We've fucking exhausted everything there is to discuss on this mapset already. Haven't you read the drama? I'm not changing anything, since i'm only doing stuff which has been done a million times over.
The effory people are putting into the discussion about this map is way too over the top. Other mapsets with more real issues about playability and stuff would benefit. This whole thing is just annoying. Especially wafu, don't want his mods, sorry mate.
Edit: i kindly now ask Wafu to stop posting on this thread since he's only feeding and enabling the drama. Immature basically.
I'll accept mods from other people
Stop your shit or else I nuke this.Hula wrote:
Well. Rip the deam.
What's there to discuss? We've fucking exhausted everything there is to discuss on this mapset already. Haven't you read the drama? I'm not changing anything, since i'm only doing stuff which has been done a million times over. that doesn't make it more valid. The concern about mp3 quality is the most valid by now.
The effory people are putting into the discussion about this map is way too over the top. Sorry that people try to improve your work. My condolences.
Other mapsets with more real issues about playability and stuff would benefit. This whole thing is just annoying. get off your horse. your works are far from perfect.
Especially wafu, don't want his mods, sorry mate. arrogance is not helping you.
Edit: i kindly now ask Wafu to stop posting on this thread since he's only feeding and enabling the drama. Immature basically. your attitude isnt helping either
I'll accept mods from other people
Just decrease the quality to 128kbps in audacity. Takes 1 minute.
I could only decrease it to 2mb to keep the current audio ''quality''
http://puu.sh/mqrCk/296454a192.mp3
I could only decrease it to 2mb to keep the current audio ''quality''
http://puu.sh/mqrCk/296454a192.mp3
Why should it be illegal to mod a qualified map though? It's not ranked or anything.Stefan wrote:
Wafu, could you please stop that?
If you're too late to mod the mapset before it gets qualified then you're too late. Stop complaining about pointless things which doesn't exist. You're free to mod and help now if there are issues with the mapset but a "Placeholder post" is nothing a mapper needs to follow or wait for. There is no reason to keep this nonsense here.
Thanks.
Do note I haven't read the entire thread yet, this post just stood out to me.
Topic Starter
Graving for a bit, since won't have all that much time till feb. But, constructive posts are encouraged and will like them in the mean time! I just won't reply very fast.
@loctav go for it if you really think it deserves it.
@loctav go for it if you really think it deserves it.
Hi Tess.Tess wrote:
Why should it be illegal to mod a qualified map though? It's not ranked or anything.Stefan wrote:
Wafu, could you please stop that?
If you're too late to mod the mapset before it gets qualified then you're too late. Stop complaining about pointless things which doesn't exist. You're free to mod and help now if there are issues with the mapset but a "Placeholder post" is nothing a mapper needs to follow or wait for. There is no reason to keep this nonsense here.
Thanks.
Do note I haven't read the entire thread yet, this post just stood out to me.
the point was that he complained that he was stolen the opportunity to mod it PRIOR qualification. He just posted a placeholder and people went over that.Tess wrote:
Why should it be illegal to mod a qualified map though? It's not ranked or anything.Stefan wrote:
Wafu, could you please stop that?
If you're too late to mod the mapset before it gets qualified then you're too late. Stop complaining about pointless things which doesn't exist. You're free to mod and help now if there are issues with the mapset but a "Placeholder post" is nothing a mapper needs to follow or wait for. There is no reason to keep this nonsense here.
Thanks.
Do note I haven't read the entire thread yet, this post just stood out to me.
No one said that modding it past qualification is "illegal".
DISCLAIMER: I didn't follow this drama, just looked through the thread since I was asked to give my opinion.
Sure that's unfortunate, but like.. what's on the line? Less than a tenth of actual peak kHz range, and around one megabyte of space, and I don't think that's an absolutely huge concern considering that most people in this game use sound equipment for less than $20, and one megabyte is literally nothing in these days, so I really don't see much of a gain in forcing it - if you can provide a better .mp3 along with the new offset, sure, there's no reason to deny it, but from scrolling through this I haven't seen that?
Like, the difference in sound is both incredibly low-volume (-80 to -100 dB range) aswell as not all that noticeable in terms of pure kHz sound spectrum, so I really don't think anyone playing this game is missing out on anything, and one megabyte.. well we talked about that already.
tl;dr if you can provide a better .mp3 and a fitting offset for it, there's no issue with updating the map, but insisting on something you yourself can't deliver seems a bit.. y'know
So.. the concern is that the .mp3 does not have the absolute maximum quality-to-filesize ratio that it could have, do I understand this correctly..?Sieg wrote:
Audio quality difference is not more than 3-5% which is negligible for this bitrate anyways (you won't be able to recognize it blindly). That's why I state again that quality all the same.
Sure that's unfortunate, but like.. what's on the line? Less than a tenth of actual peak kHz range, and around one megabyte of space, and I don't think that's an absolutely huge concern considering that most people in this game use sound equipment for less than $20, and one megabyte is literally nothing in these days, so I really don't see much of a gain in forcing it - if you can provide a better .mp3 along with the new offset, sure, there's no reason to deny it, but from scrolling through this I haven't seen that?
Like, the difference in sound is both incredibly low-volume (-80 to -100 dB range) aswell as not all that noticeable in terms of pure kHz sound spectrum, so I really don't think anyone playing this game is missing out on anything, and one megabyte.. well we talked about that already.
tl;dr if you can provide a better .mp3 and a fitting offset for it, there's no issue with updating the map, but insisting on something you yourself can't deliver seems a bit.. y'know
Caught up to the thread now, and yeah, I agree. I do agree with Wafu's point but the placeholder thing seems rather silly.Loctav wrote:
the point was that he complained that he was stolen the opportunity to mod it PRIOR qualification. He just posted a placeholder and people went over that.Tess wrote:
Why should it be illegal to mod a qualified map though? It's not ranked or anything.
Do note I haven't read the entire thread yet, this post just stood out to me.
No one said that modding it past qualification is "illegal".
Also @Jenny I'm fairly sure Wafu has the proper mp3 since he basically compared mp3s in some program. I'm not sure why he didn't provide it though, it should've just been changed and requalified. But I guess there was the thing with wanting to rank it on the 16th.
All in all this is a pretty huge thread for such a small deal, though I don't think the disqualification was bad. I've looked over the Eloquent diff and it could still use a few mods imo, but they're mostly stylistic and
Hula, why can't you just take Wafu's mp3 and update the set and have it done with? I think you could've done that from the start. Just say "Well okay I didn't think it'd be a problem but sure. Since you have the mp3 just send it over and I'll update it when it's DQ'd."
It's not all that much effort to fix this issue, I feel.
I didn't say it makes your argument wrong somehow, it just means the impact is basically non-existent and there would be no reason to throw a major fit about it - if Hula literally has an .mp3 provided to him, I'd say he should just add it, but there's no reason to throw fits either way, since the impact is not going to be felt by literally anyone.Wafu wrote:
I did provide it. It was just spammed. p/4803647Jenny wrote:
insisting on something you yourself can't deliver seems a bit.. y'know
+Most people won't care doesn't make counter-argument on why was I wrong.
You're technically right, but the real-world impact is not going to actually be felt by anyone, that's my point.
No reason to throw a fit for either of you.
Looking at what people are saying, the mp3 is supposedly bad. I assume it is because people are hearing some distortion around the 50-60 second mark.
If you listen to this: https://soundcloud.com/mitis/1162016a, you can hear some distortion as well. I assume that was intentionally done by the artist, or I could be wrong entirely.
With that said, I managed to find an mp3 that may probably be a little bit better (there may be no difference at all), and it is 1 mb less.
I tried it out and it does have an offset of 0. Therefore for every difficulty, go to the 'open .osu file in notepad', go to audio leadin and type 1500, so there is a delay of 1500ms before the song starts.
Here it is. http://puu.sh/mqsZM/ed40c0887a.mp3
If it does not help, then I am sorry.
Good luck on requalification.
RVMathew.
Edit: Seems Wafu and co. already posted it earlier. To Wafu and others, you have to be very anal to notice a difference, and even then the difference is very small that it is insignificant. If this was the only reason for disqualification, I am sorry but the disqualification was unwarranted.
If you listen to this: https://soundcloud.com/mitis/1162016a, you can hear some distortion as well. I assume that was intentionally done by the artist, or I could be wrong entirely.
With that said, I managed to find an mp3 that may probably be a little bit better (there may be no difference at all), and it is 1 mb less.
I tried it out and it does have an offset of 0. Therefore for every difficulty, go to the 'open .osu file in notepad', go to audio leadin and type 1500, so there is a delay of 1500ms before the song starts.
Here it is. http://puu.sh/mqsZM/ed40c0887a.mp3
If it does not help, then I am sorry.
Good luck on requalification.
RVMathew.
Edit: Seems Wafu and co. already posted it earlier. To Wafu and others, you have to be very anal to notice a difference, and even then the difference is very small that it is insignificant. If this was the only reason for disqualification, I am sorry but the disqualification was unwarranted.
That everyone does have 20$ stuff doesn't mean those with better need to see all the noise. The glitches are pretty audible here.Jenny wrote:
impact is not going to be felt by literally anyone.
@RVMathew I already provided one which is completely without quality distortion regarding the original. This is re-convert as well and original from SC doesn't have 0 offset, there is pause as well. Even convert from 128 to 128 is a loss.
Topic Starter
Getting way too much BN attention here, i'm sure timo with 4 maps ready would appreciate eve a star on his maps.
Like i said guys, mods are appreciated (though not further ones by wafu - you're too trivial)
Whe thing is the most trivial mapping drama i've seen to date. And i've seen my fair share
Thanks RV, i'll take a look later when on laptop
Like i said guys, mods are appreciated (though not further ones by wafu - you're too trivial)
Whe thing is the most trivial mapping drama i've seen to date. And i've seen my fair share
Thanks RV, i'll take a look later when on laptop
Wafu wrote:
That everyone does have 20$ stuff doesn't mean those with better need to see all the noise. The glitches are pretty audible here.Jenny wrote:
impact is not going to be felt by literally anyone.
If you want to get into this, I'm just gonna drop the "I own a pair of AKG K712s and haven't noticed any difference at all" and we're gonna go in circles forever.
Point is, noone has complained about the actual listening experience and it's only been numbercrunching so far - as said, I'm not gonna say Hula should stick to what is an inferior file, but I see no reason to throw a fit over what is numbers with no tangible real-world feedback.
If anything, I'd say that actually, the piano sounds more softened on the submitted file, which I think contributes to the song's atmosphere, but that is my personal listening experience and preference for warm and mellow sound stages (hence K712s over closed headphones).
Really though Wafu provided the mp3 like 3-4 times now and Hula just ends up going for RV's version. This could've been solved 4 pages ago.
just use whatever better mp3 there is and be done with it, no need for stupid personal drama to shit up your thread
*RV's version which is worse. lolTess wrote:
Really though Wafu provided the mp3 like 3-4 times now and Hula just ends up going for RV's version. This could've been solved 4 pages ago.
He's just ignoring anything is said for personal reasons, so I won't participate in this thread any more.
Topic Starter
Omg. Can you stop?Wafu wrote:
*RV's version which is worse. lolTess wrote:
Really though Wafu provided the mp3 like 3-4 times now and Hula just ends up going for RV's version. This could've been solved 4 pages ago.
I haven't gone with any mp3 tess. I said i'd have a lookk later on my laptop
You guys should see the email notification i'm getting lol
If we did get it from the same site then yes Wafu's version would 'solve' everything. However, I have a hunch that there is something else going on.Tess wrote:
Really though Wafu provided the mp3 like 3-4 times now and Hula just ends up going for RV's version. This could've been solved 4 pages ago.
Forgive me if I am wrong, but Wafu may have asked for this map to be dq'ed just to spite Hula. If that is the case then that is just a clear abuse of power. Hula is not taking Wafu's mp3 or mod out of spite as well.
Regarding the music, I do have very good headphones (Beyerdynamic Dt770pro) and I will state it again, that there was little, if any difference. In truth if I was a BN and Hula contested this disqualification, I would agree with Hula and requalify this.
Again this may seem like a wasted post, but do not use your status as a way to spite someone.
On another note, those '0' ratings for the beatmap were probably there just because it was 'Hula' who made the map.
they said that was their last post on this subjectHula wrote:
Omg. Can you stop?
I haven't gone with any mp3 tess. I said i'd have a lookk later on my laptop
You guys should see the email notification i'm getting lol
I hope people stop discussing this drama as soon as they can
Guys please. Stop discussing now until there is something to discuss about again, aka when Hula listened to the provided mp3s.
Here is a tiny, and very anal mod. Note that whatever I say is my own opinion so you do not have to follow everything I say. Timestamps are based on the original mp3.
Easy
1) I do not want to be that guy but 00:19:044 (2,3) - is an imperfect blanket.
2) I know this bit may seem pointless to you, for this: 01:44:357 (1,2,3,4), I was thinking of doing something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4308366. The reason being is that you should make use of the top half of the playfield in this case.
Voli's Medium.
1) 00:12:482 (3,4) - Sliders are not exactly aligned. Shift 4 down to (329,157)
2) 00:33:107 (1,2) - I am curious as to why you do not use the same shape. Wouldn't using the same slider shape look better?
Applies to 01:36:857 (1,2)/
Eloquent
1) 00:14:357 (1,2,3,4,1) - Considering you have 5 notes equally distant on the timeline, you can make a star pattern if you need to spice up the beatmap. Use Ctrl+shift+d as a guide when making the star pattern.
2) 01:27:013 (2,3,4) - I am curious as to why 2,3,4 are equidistant on the timeline, but 2 and 3 are much closer compared to 3 and 4? This may have been intentional.
Yes I was very anal, but small things may make a huge difference.
Good luck.
Easy
1) I do not want to be that guy but 00:19:044 (2,3) - is an imperfect blanket.
2) I know this bit may seem pointless to you, for this: 01:44:357 (1,2,3,4), I was thinking of doing something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4308366. The reason being is that you should make use of the top half of the playfield in this case.
Voli's Medium.
1) 00:12:482 (3,4) - Sliders are not exactly aligned. Shift 4 down to (329,157)
2) 00:33:107 (1,2) - I am curious as to why you do not use the same shape. Wouldn't using the same slider shape look better?
Applies to 01:36:857 (1,2)/
Eloquent
1) 00:14:357 (1,2,3,4,1) - Considering you have 5 notes equally distant on the timeline, you can make a star pattern if you need to spice up the beatmap. Use Ctrl+shift+d as a guide when making the star pattern.
2) 01:27:013 (2,3,4) - I am curious as to why 2,3,4 are equidistant on the timeline, but 2 and 3 are much closer compared to 3 and 4? This may have been intentional.
Yes I was very anal, but small things may make a huge difference.
Good luck.
Hula made me realize the previous answer was a bit harsh and so I am changing it.
Basically, not going to apply anything from the mod above, everything you want me to change was done for a reason.
Basically, not going to apply anything from the mod above, everything you want me to change was done for a reason.
Topic Starter
Next few days i'll change mp3 to shut people up, might take a few days though.Voli wrote:
k so now hopefully the drama has passed so we can try again?
But, according to what loctav said in the past, a qat should be able to re-insta qualify since mp3 change is not significant to play, also will look at any mods you guys wanna do in the mean time, including RV's
Also a little cleanup of the thread.Desperate-kun wrote:
Guys please. Stop discussing now until there is something to discuss about again, aka when Hula listened to the provided mp3s.
Topic Starter
I think I want to continue using the youtube version, but i'll put it to 128 kbps to shut people up about the size lol.
The reason why, it's louder. And I don't wanna fuck around with volumes of customs and stuff in audacity and I don't want to increase volume of the SC rip, since i believe it might distort it a bit, and yeah, preference.
If anyone got a problem with this, you got days to know.
EDIT: Got a mp3 from Lach with silence at the start without reencoding, which is what probably caused that minute quality loss.
The reason why, it's louder. And I don't wanna fuck around with volumes of customs and stuff in audacity and I don't want to increase volume of the SC rip, since i believe it might distort it a bit, and yeah, preference.
If anyone got a problem with this, you got days to know.
EDIT: Got a mp3 from Lach with silence at the start without reencoding, which is what probably caused that minute quality loss.
Topic Starter
RVMathew wrote:
Eloquent
1) 00:14:357 (1,2,3,4,1) - Considering you have 5 notes equally distant on the timeline, you can make a star pattern if you need to spice up the beatmap. Use Ctrl+shift+d as a guide when making the star pattern. Not done a star pattern, kept the square for the 1,2,3,4 but I moved the 1 up so it blankets a bit better with the next object, and doesn't then overlap with the square.
2) 01:27:013 (2,3,4) - I am curious as to why 2,3,4 are equidistant on the timeline, but 2 and 3 are much closer compared to 3 and 4? This may have been intentional. I do this throughout the kiai, but it's because I didn't want to emphasise there and it really gives the 3-4 an oomf jump, kinda hard to explain. Basically I felt like 3-4 was more intense than 2-3, but I didn't want to emphasise everything with jumps in the map.
Yes I was very anal, but small things may make a huge difference. yeah and thanks
Good luck.
didn't use your mp3 since lach got me one with silence at the start without having to reencode.
Hope that mp3 cleared up some things.