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A PSA about "play more"

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Originality
To all people that drop into forums and post "play more"
sometimes to raise your post count... I can't wait to see how many people post play more in this forum

Congratulations, you've just stated the most obvious piece of advice to getting better at osu! Unfortunately, by the time you post play more, it's likely that at least 5 people have posted it before you -- at which point you posting play more is pretty useless, and suggests that you haven't read the thread up to the point it's currently at. If you don't want to read my argument coming up next, at least scroll down to the bottom and read the tl;dr.

Now that's out there, if anyone wants to argue that just posting "play more" is more useful than posting ACTUAL CONSTRUCTIVE ADVICE, this is the thread to do so. The phrase "practice makes perfect" has been around a really long time, and it carries a fair amount of weight with it. The people that are top ranked at osu! don't go around asking other people for advice, because they've "play more" so much they've developed their own style, and they know their weaknesses and what they personally need to do in order to improve. With newbies, it's a different case.

I've got a pretty decent group of friends I've gotten into this game, and watching them develop has been really interesting. I've noticed that generally, they like to play songs far above what they can even clear, and it results in them playing the beginning of a song 50 trillion times to try and pass it and move on to the next section. Those 50 trillion plays could be better spent working on songs that are around their current skill level, or at least by turning no fail on. Go look at any of the players inside of GnR that have posted some sort of "what do I need to do to improve post", and I guarantee a lot of them haven't been improving very much lately. If you're ranked 100,000+ and you can't drop a decent number of ranks after playing for a few hours, then you're doing something wrong. People form bad habits like hitting notes early or late consistently, [/b]focusing only on one type of map (stream/jump/etc.), or constantly retrying maps -- which can slow down growth substantially. New players think pp is an absolute indicator of improvement, at least tell them in your post that this is NOT the case. A lot of times, they don't know what their weakness is, or they just suck at everything, in which case it might help to tell them to work on their accuracy, and to stop playing maps way outside of their difficulty range.

If anyone is going to argue that they should just go read a guide (Endaris has a fantastic one), that's a great counterargument. Except guides are generally pretty long, and there's something special about getting feedback from other players on what they struggled with, and relating with them. Also, sometimes new players don't know that these guides exist, in which case you can.... link them in your post!

Playing more is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to improving at this game, but it isn't a say-all do all. Add something that I bolded before you just write play more and hit post. Going to a players profile and noticing their accuracy is 70%, and commenting on that takes an extra minute before you post.

What does your post count say about you?

EDIT: Oh, and to the people that have a post titled "How do I get better", you're ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO POST PLAY MORE IN YOUR THREAD.

This is directly from official rules.

Q: How do I become better?
A: This question has been asked million of times and is too vague to give a reasonable answer to. You'll become better over time if you keep playing and practicing. Instead to ask 'how to become better', try asking more specific things like 'What maps are good pracitice for streaming?' Don't expect too much if you're still a beginner, or get stressed when you make no progress. Just remember to take breaks from time to time; In most cases people play a lot better after a break.

If you wonder if your question has been already asked, then take a look on this thread or on jesus1412's thread. It saves you to be flooded by stupid and brainless comments. It also would be helpful to avoid asking all these questions again since there won't be any better answers to these questions. It also prevent us having more terrible stupid posts and to go off-topic. If you find an inappropriate post please send me a private message or use the !report function in the chat:



tl;dr
At least quote someone else saying play more. Then you're adding to someone else's lame post and emphasizing it instead of creating your own, and you still get an increase post count from it. Or just don't post at all.
Endaris
play more
CXu
Every good player was a bad player at some point. They didn't magically start out being good at the game.

Also, it's not hard to figure out how to get better at osu!. This game is extremely simple, and if you've ever tried to improve at just about anything in life, you should know how to improve at osu!.
Rilene
"play more" is both meme and advice at some point.
Redon
play more
Karuta-_old_1

Originality wrote:

At least quote someone else saying play more. Then you're adding to someone else's lame post and emphasizing it instead of creating your own, and you still get an increase post count from it.

Redon wrote:

play more
Minhtam
How ironic that this post is coming from a guy whose name is "originality"
Barusamikosu
There are no brakes on the meme train you can't stop it now.
E m i

Originality wrote:

raise your post count
:(
Topic Starter
Originality

Momiji wrote:

Originality wrote:

raise your post count
:(
I should clarify, because that isn't the reason that everyone posts play more. It is essentially a meme in GnR now, but in text form (how has someone not made an image yet...)

What's frustrating is that while the OP might get a little out of "play more", there's a potential for them to get so much more with a minimal time investment on the person that is posting's part.
CXu
Rather, OP would get more out of playing the game rather than posting in the forums about playing the game.
chainpullz

CXu wrote:

Rather, OP would get more out of playing the game rather than posting in the forums about playing the game.
But surely posting in the forums about posting in the forums about playing the game more instead of posting in the forums about playing the game is the answer otherwise the OP would not have made this post. This post isn't not going to fail in allowing him to improve surely.

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Topic Starter
Originality

CXu wrote:

Rather, OP would get more out of playing the game rather than posting in the forums about playing the game.
I hate to compare a simple game like osu! to a sport, but the comparison works well. You can learn to swim just fine on your own, but having a coach to guide you along the way, relate to you, and give you advice on how to improve speeds up the process substantially. And you can't make the argument that "everyone has their own way of playing osu". Everyone may have their own way of holding their pen, or their mouse, but in the end, we're all clicking circles, and there's a typical skill progression that players go through, just like in a sport. MOST players are better off starting with low AR and then moving up compared to spamming HR when they first start playing. While this may seems obvious to all of us, it's not obvious to newbies, which is why instead of posting "play more", people should look into why the OP is posting in a forum.
Topic Starter
Originality

chainpullz wrote:

CXu wrote:

Rather, OP would get more out of playing the game rather than posting in the forums about playing the game.
But surely posting in the forums about posting in the forums about playing the game more instead of posting in the forums about playing the game is the answer otherwise the OP would not have made this post. This post isn't not going to fail in allowing him to improve surely.

+-1*-1*-1*-1 post count
This post isn't about my improvement. It's about improving responses to players that ask for gameplay advice (and addressing that they need to better word their questions) within this forum, which is in place because I feel that that "posting in the forums about playing the game" currently isn't helping the OP very much.
GhostFrog
that is a long post
vsprite
no but seriously how do i read ar10 at 300k rank? srs pls
GoldenWolf

vsprite wrote:

no but seriously how do i read ar10 at 300k rank? srs pls
play less
Ameth Rianno
tbh this thread is akwardly enough
vsprite
tl;dr
At least quote someone else saying play more. Then you're adding to someone else's lame post and emphasizing it instead of creating your own, and you still get an increase post count from it.
play more
play more

am i doing it right?
CXu

Originality wrote:

CXu wrote:

Rather, OP would get more out of playing the game rather than posting in the forums about playing the game.
I hate to compare a simple game like osu! to a sport, but the comparison works well. You can learn to swim just fine on your own, but having a coach to guide you along the way, relate to you, and give you advice on how to improve speeds up the process substantially. And you can't make the argument that "everyone has their own way of playing osu". Everyone may have their own way of holding their pen, or their mouse, but in the end, we're all clicking circles, and there's a typical skill progression that players go through, just like in a sport. MOST players are better off starting with low AR and then moving up compared to spamming HR when they first start playing. While this may seems obvious to all of us, it's not obvious to newbies, which is why instead of posting "play more", people should look into why the OP is posting in a forum.
Sure, I'll help someone who has at least put in minimal effort into actually trying to improve by themselves. When there are "how to improve" threads stickied, and the fact that osu! is such a simple game to begin with, asking "how do I get better at clicking circles????" most of the time shows that you haven't actually tried thinking much about the issue yourself or made an effort into finding those very easy to find threads.

If you're not willing to put in the effort to find these things out, why would I want to spend my time when I could spend that on other things? You don't seem like a very motivated player, if at one "roadblock" you instantly stop thinking about it yourself. Chances are you won't get very far until you actually start thinking for yourself anyway, so might as well begin now than being guided somewhere in the beginning.

Also I'm using you in a general sense, not directing it at anyone in particular.
Topic Starter
Originality
All of what you said is completely valid.

But if you're going to take the time to go and post in a thread about helping someone to improve, if you're just posting play more, doesn't that make you equally as lazy as the OP? You become the bigger person, and rather helpful by posting something along the lines of "OP, this has already been stated in 50 bazillion other threads, here's a link to a guide I know of 'inserts link here'." You can be as sassy or as nice saying that as you want. (sassy is way more fun)

Or you could just ignore the threads of people that are absolutely ignorant of other resources. Which I may or may not have done in the past.... :o

vsprite wrote:

play more

am i doing it right?
Lool, that's perfect. xD
Pituophis

Endaris wrote:

play more

Originality wrote:

raise your post count
chainpullz

CXu wrote:

Chances are you won't get very far until you actually start thinking for yourself anyway, so might as well begin now than being guided somewhere in the beginning.
Unless you choose to go to college and major in computer science in which case "not very far" is a $70k/yr starting salary which some people would only dream of. And people wonder why their software breaks all the time...
7ambda

Originality wrote:

(how has someone not made an image yet...)
ZenithPhantasm made one many months ago.

Yolshka

Originality wrote:

you can't drop a decent number of ranks after playing for a few hours, then you're doing something wrong.
What ...really? PP all day everyday? Maybe I should spend my

Originality wrote:

50 trillion plays

elsewhere.


I don't usually post play more so this is my chance :
play more
deletemyaccount
Okay, since you wrote a long response I won't "meme" you with play more.

The thing that people fail to recognise is that all this information about how to improve is already out there. There is literally a sticky about how to improve alongside myriad previous threads which address virtually every single question about improvement whether this be streaming etc.

You see, the people who actually aren't looking for a shortcut find this information for themselves when they are new; they search for it and apply it to their own devices/circumstances. The rest are just lazy people looking for a quick way to get ranks, and will consequently receive lazy answers. Just as people in this thread have previously stated, why would people bother helping someone who is already putting minimal effort into improving?

Now, why do people say "play more"? Because it is what everyone else has done and IS the only way someone will improve. Sure you can argue that there are intricacies to how and what kinds of maps you play, but that's common sense, isn't it. (there's already so much info out there about this).

Remember, people will always hear want they want to hear.
Yuudachi-kun

Endaris wrote:

play more
catch the beat
Bauxe
op fuck off and play more your post is boring
KanoSet
if ppl spent 5 sec to type in google "how to get better at osu" billions of these posts won't exsit in the first place cuz it's hard to find the sticky posts
there isn't much to help someone with.. download tons of maps, play more. if you hit a wall; read the stickies, download more maps, play more and enjoy the game pls

Khelly wrote:

Endaris wrote:

play more
catch the beat
-Makishima S-
Tl;DR pls, too big wall of text

also

Play moe.
Topic Starter
Originality
Kanoset, Philantropist, & more...

Originality wrote:

All of what you said is completely valid.

But if you're going to take the time to go and post in a thread about helping someone to improve, if you're just posting play more, doesn't that make you equally as lazy as the OP? You become the bigger person, and rather helpful by posting something along the lines of "OP, this has already been stated in 50 bazillion other threads, here's a link to a guide I know of 'inserts link here'."

Philantropist wrote:

Just as people in this thread have previously stated, why would people bother helping someone who is already putting minimal effort into improving?
Exactly -- put your valid venting about ignorant people posting in GnR into the ignorant people's threads. But if you're going to take the time to drop into said ignorant person's thread and post "play more", wouldn't it better if you told them they were being ignorant and lazy? Or, even better, just direct them towards a helpful thread.

Bauxe wrote:

op fuck off and play more your post is boring

Bauxe wrote:

I didn't read your post but I came by to say play more.
(seriously?)

PRIME example of people being rude and wasting both their time, and mine.

KanoSet wrote:

enjoy the game pls
Mahogany
Play moe
abraker
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uzzi

abraker wrote:

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Truth
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