long mod post!=good post.

This is shit. I agree to Lybydose though.

00:00:729 (1) - 1 grid up
00:01:001 (2) - 1 grid left
00:01:819 (6) - 1 grid left
00:02:092 (7) - 1 grid left
00:02:364 (8) - move third slider point 1 grid right
00:03:728 (2) - remove clap
00:04:273 (2) - add clap
00:04:409 (3) - add clap
00:04:682 (4) - add clap
00:05:636 (8) - 1 grid up
00:07:272 (1) - put whistle on start, clap on finish. also 1 grid down
00:08:635 (3) - add new combo
00:08:908 (1) - ^
00:10:544 (1) - ^
00:11:907 (3) - spacing
00:12:453 (2) - spacing
00:12:998 (4) - add clap
00:13:816 (1) - add clap
break - add storyboarded claps on white lines, sounds much better imfo
00:29:084 (3) - add whistle
00:29:630 (5) - remove whistle
00:30:175 (7) - add finish and clap
00:31:538 (1) - spacing
00:32:629 (3) - 1 grid up
00:33:447 (5) - switch places of 2nd and 3rd slider points
00:34:537 (1) - remove new combo
00:34:810 (3) - add clap, remove whistle
00:35:355 (2) - 1 grid down, 2 grids up
00:35:901 (5) - 1 grid right
00:36:719 (9) - use a timing section to make this silent.
00:36:719 (9) - add finish
00:37:537 (3) - 1 grid left
00:37:809 (4) - 1 grid left
00:37:946 (5) - 1 grid left
00:38:082 (6) - 1 grid left, 1 grid down, 1 grid right
00:38:627 (2) - add new combo
00:38:900 (4) - change to slider
00:39:991 (7) - 1 grid up
00:41:627 (1) - 1 grid up
00:42:172 (2) - ^
00:42:445 (3) - ^
00:43:263 (5) - 1 grid up
00:44:080 (7) - 1 grid right
00:44:898 (1) - replace with deathstream
00:45:444 (2) - remove clap
00:46:534 (5) - add claps to both endpoints
00:47:352 (7) - add clap
00:48:170 (2) - new combo
00:48:443 (3) - remove new combo
00:48:988 (5) - 2nd point 1 grid left, 3rd point 1 grid down
00:50:624 (8) -
00:51:442 (2) - add whistle
00:52:260 (3) - 1 grid down
00:54:441 (1) - 9 grids right
00:54:714 (2) - remove new combo
00:56:759 (4) - change hitsounds to claps
00:58:258 (1) - add timing section with hitsound volume 66%
00:58:531 (2) - add timing section with hitsound volume 63%
01:00:031 (2) - 1 grid left
01:00:439 (3) - 1/2 grid right
01:02:893 (2) - 1 grid left
01:03:984 (7) - 1 grid left
01:04:256 (8) - 1 grid left
01:05:075 (2) - 1 grid left
01:05:347 (3) - 1 grid left
01:06:438 (7) - spacing
01:07:801 (3) - change to slider
01:09:982 (6) - spacing
01:11:892 (3) - 1 grid right
01:12:710 (1) - remove clap
01:13:119 (2) - 1 grid right
01:14:072 (1) - 1 grid down
01:15:981 (3) - 1 grid up
01:16:662 (6) - delete this
01:18:162 (4) - spacing
01:19:253 (1) - add finish
01:19:934 (3) - add another finish with storyboarding
01:20:616 (6) - remove clap
01:21:297 (2) - 1 grid right
01:21:570 (3) - stack with 1
01:21:979 (5) - 1 grid left
01:22:388 (7) - 1 grid left
01:22:933 (3) - 1 grid diagonally
01:23:888 (7) - 1 grid right

then delete .osb and full submit.

i worked very hard on this, give me 3 kudosu pls

^lol
I'm sure no one will even bother reading all of that mod post

and if I'm not wrong, you can get 2 kudosu if the map's thread don't have any post for eh....some days?

Sallad4ever wrote:

and if I'm not wrong, you can get 2 kudosu if the map's thread don't have any post for eh....some days?

7 days

I really do think there should be a difference in kudosu between a person that makes a huge mod post pointing out a ton of errors(that are not nazi errors) and a person that points out like 3 smaller errors.

I suggested something like this back when I joined osu! and the priority system was still newly implemented. There really needs to be more variance in how much a mod post is worth instead of fixed values and abuse of the 2kd bonus.

As has been brought up in various places, there also needs to be more moderation on what constitutes giving kudosu and what doesn't. There's too much gray area and inconsistency. There's mappers giving kd for non-mod posts (dealt with once BATs check the threads); there's mappers giving kd for non-helpful/unsubstantial posts (e.g., a few lines of combo mods, nazi mods, "your inherited section is off by 3ms", "+2 your offset", etc); and there's BATs that still incorrectly give/receive kudos even though they're well-aware of what should and shouldn't receive kd (e.g., guest difficulties aren't supposed to receive kd, yet a few BATs still hand out kudosu and willingly accept it).

2kd for a single mod post should be the upper limit (i.e., 3 is too high), and I agree that the mapper should be able to select between 1 and 2 kd. Perhaps the 2kd bonus (for no posts in a thread for a week) could be either changed to taking 2-3 weeks without posts/updates or just removed entirely, but this is a slightly separate issue.

tl;dr - We need to regulate kd more (with strict guidelines/rules and actually taking action when we see abuse) and allow true helpful/extensive mod posts to receive the credit they deserve.

the main problem is probably, what counts as a "good mod post that worth 2 kudosu"

Larto already given a short checklist for giving a kudosu, but it still a general checklist. The mapper also have to know for which mod post will the 2 kudosu awarded to. For me a multiple timing section mod (if there's any multiple BPM on the song) is worth 2 kudosu rather than a long mod post (with or without nazi).

Sallad4ever wrote:

For me a multiple timing section mod (if there's any multiple BPM on the song) is worth 2 kudosu rather than a long mod post (with or without nazi).

Make that "a correct multiple timing section mod" and I'll agree with you. Another problem is:

modder 1: bpm 120 and offset 760 plz
mapper: oh okay! =D ty! *gives kd*
modder 2: ofset 780 is better
mapper: oh... okay! *gives kd*
modder 3: no no 760 was fine
mapper: oh... *gives kd*
.
.
.
modder n: YOU'RE ALL WRONG, THE BPM SHOULD BE 119.98 AND OFFSET 770
modder: >x< *gives the 20th kd*

MAT/BAT/SOMEONE THAT ACTUALLY CAN TIME PROPERLY: bpm 120, offset 740 *bubble* *rank*

Rageeeeee.

For the timing kudosu, perhaps just give kudosu once the map is done and the correct timing has been found?
I don't think the 7 week kudosu "boost" should be removed, that's one thing that make modders mod those maps that don't always get attention and end up being abandoned.
Kudosu does need to be regulated, have like one or two BAT's be like "Kudosu Guards" and if someone sees abused kudosu, tell them and it'll be corrected.

As for the "what deserves 2, what deserves 1" issue, perhaps make certain types of mods more weighted than others.
Like, a "move this 1 grid to the left" would be like a 0.05.
A PROPER timing mod would be let's say a 1.
Maybe like value the mods and give kudosu based on that, it's a crazy idea but w/e.

Derekku wrote:

Make that "a correct multiple timing section mod" and I'll agree with you.

ah, yeah sure

Feno wrote:

Kudosu does need to be regulated, have like one or two BAT's be like "Kudosu Guards" and if someone sees abused kudosu, tell them and it'll be corrected.

There's no need for a specific person or team for managing kudosu. Now that MAT can gives bubble, BAT are more free?, so maybe they could go around an look for any abused kudosu or just give MAT a privilege to denied kudosu seeing MAT's are more active throughout the pending beatmap forum (don't know if they'll bother read the whole page to find any )

Derekku wrote:

modder 1: bpm 120 and offset 760 plz
mapper: oh okay! =D ty! *gives kd*
modder 2: ofset 780 is better
mapper: oh... okay! *gives kd*
modder 3: no no 760 was fine
mapper: oh... *gives kd*
.
.
.
modder n: YOU'RE ALL WRONG, THE BPM SHOULD BE 119.98 AND OFFSET 770
modder: >x< *gives the 20th kd*

MAT/BAT/SOMEONE THAT ACTUALLY CAN TIME PROPERLY: bpm 120, offset 740 *bubble* *rank*

I would like to see this scenario and shout at everyone involved; is this a real case?

Zekira wrote:

I would like to see this scenario and shout at everyone involved; is this a real case?

I exaggerated a little bit, but very similar cases happen all the time where multiple people bounce an offset back and forth while the mapper hands out kd to all of them.

Derekku wrote:

Zekira wrote:

I would like to see this scenario and shout at everyone involved; is this a real case?

I exaggerated a little bit, but very similar cases happen all the time where multiple people bounce an offset back and forth while the mapper hands out kd to all of them.

This could be resolved by allowing mappers to deny previously given kudosu.

0_o wrote:

This could be resolved by allowing mappers to deny previously given kudosu.

"Deny kudosu? o-o B-but they also gave me nice combo modding! ^-^"

Well shit it's up to the mapper to discern stuff like that
...oh wait a minute, they probably won't be able to...

It sounds like a good idea to me.
1 is more or less the standard, while 2kd could be given to extraordinarily helpful posts.

(example) modder :

Easy]
00:31:596 (1) remove new combo
[normal]
no prob
[Hard]
no prob too
[Insane]
this diff is too hard
orz ,don't stared , dis map sucks

noob mapper:

omg ty ty ty ilu <3 <3 i will give u 3 kudos <3 <3 <3

^this.
no suport

Hyguys wrote:

(example) modder :

Easy]
00:31:596 (1) remove new combo
[normal]
no prob
[Hard]
no prob too
[Insane]
this diff is too hard
orz ,don't stared , dis map sucks

noob mapper:

omg ty ty ty ilu <3 <3 i will give u 3 kudos <3 <3 <3

Then someone will notice, tell a BAT, and their kudosu will be reduced/removed. Simple?

Derekku wrote:

modder n: YOU'RE ALL WRONG, THE BPM SHOULD BE 119.98 AND OFFSET 770

BPM best be trollin.

Anyways, with a ranking system, very few mappers would actually follow it. It'd be more like "omg thanks for modin so much kduzou." and they'd give the maximum amount. Also then there's those stubborn people who go "wtf y I no get 2 kudozu."

;D.