tomden wrote:

erikG wrote:

Never give up

I'll try :p I just get depressed by seeing only c and d ranks when I play low bpm maps http://puu.sh/lQfXf/509388c60c.jpg . Even more when I see that I have better plays that I made in 2013 on some of these maps.

eg I just played https://osu.ppy.sh/s/25871 and got 77.6% acc and 9 misses but I have a play on that map made on 23/08/2013 (at this point I had like 1k playcount) and had 78.49% acc with 3 misses :p I know both plays are total garbage but it still depresses me to see 0 improvement after 2+ years

erikG wrote:

Mind if I spectate you sometime? I think I'll get a better look on what harms your play.

DeathAdderz wrote:

Seems like there are many people that's struggling at streams (I'm one of them).

I just play with my intuition and hearing the music carefully. Sometimes I get perfect streams, but sometimes in the same map and same stream I messed up, even though I think I did the same things during the perfect try. It's just confusing

tomden wrote:

DeathAdderz wrote:

Seems like there are many people that's struggling at streams (I'm one of them).

I just play with my intuition and hearing the music carefully. Sometimes I get perfect streams, but sometimes in the same map and same stream I messed up, even though I think I did the same things during the perfect try. It's just confusing

at least i'm consistent in doing my streams bad :p

tomden wrote:

thanks to erikG I finally found out what my problem is. It looks like I can't control my speed at al. When I try to gradually increase my tapping speed once i hit like 75 bpm streaming speed my fingers start to vibrate uncontrollable between 180-200 bpm(this happens only when i use my left hand ). Now I need to find a way to fix this and i'll finally stop getting those c's on low bpm maps :p.

chainpullz wrote:

Please just enjoy game and stop taking questionable advice that involves something you most likely do not enjoy. There are multiple ways to improve at anything. Choosing the method you find least enjoyable is just going to turn this game into a grind and you'll be back here in a month complaining about how you spend X hours a day trying to improve and don't.

chainpullz wrote:

Please just enjoy game and stop taking questionable advice that involves something you most likely do not enjoy. There are multiple ways to improve at anything. Choosing the method you find least enjoyable is just going to turn this game into a grind and you'll be back here in a month complaining about how you spend X hours a day trying to improve and don't.

tomden wrote:

chainpullz wrote:

Please just enjoy game and stop taking questionable advice that involves something you most likely do not enjoy. There are multiple ways to improve at anything. Choosing the method you find least enjoyable is just going to turn this game into a grind and you'll be back here in a month complaining about how you spend X hours a day trying to improve and don't.

Yeh, but I feel like if I want to be able to stream(or just doing triples) I need to somehow get rid of my bad habit. But ye maybe you are right and I should just keep playing these 180bpm+ 5-6 star maps and not care about other people calling me bad because I can't pass streamy 140 bpm 3 star maps.

chainpullz wrote:

Nobody gives a shit about streamy 3 star maps. They don't give pp. They don't show up in relevant tournaments. The only thing they are good for is DT. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just trying to make themselves feel better about wasting time learning a useless skill.

tomden wrote:

chainpullz wrote:

Nobody gives a shit about streamy 3 star maps. They don't give pp. They don't show up in relevant tournaments. The only thing they are good for is DT. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just trying to make themselves feel better about wasting time learning a useless skill.

Thanks for the reply you stopped me from going full retard mode. I'll just keep playing like I did the past 3 years and focus on improving my speed/aim, I don't even like streamy maps lol. I almost forgot why I play this game.

chainpullz wrote:

Just don't neglect reading maps and your finger control/streaming will happen eventually.

chainpullz wrote:

Nobody gives a shit about streamy 3 star maps. They don't give pp. They don't show up in relevant tournaments. The only thing they are good for is DT. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just trying to make themselves feel better about wasting time learning a useless skill.

Kunino Sagiri wrote:

chainpullz wrote:

Nobody gives a shit about streamy 3 star maps. They don't give pp. They don't show up in relevant tournaments. The only thing they are good for is DT. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just trying to make themselves feel better about wasting time learning a useless skill.

This is literally the kind of shit that makes 2015 maps terribad. "Waaahh waaahh why don't you give me my totally-not-DT-bait maps waaaahhh get b&!"

Cease your memeposting at once. Nobody even told our newbie here to stop playing hard maps; just don't forget to include low bpms.

chainpullz wrote:

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Nobody gives a shit about streamy 3 star maps. They don't give pp. They don't show up in relevant tournaments. The only thing they are good for is DT. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just trying to make themselves feel better about wasting time learning a useless skill.

xxjesus1412fanx wrote:

because low bpm streaming ability is totally useless for 'relevant' maps right? It's not like that would come in handy for something like furiosa melodia where the low bpm jump streams to higher bpm transitions are definitely one of the highlights of its difficulty.

or heck, anything else that has any low bpm stream parts OR high bpm [beyond singletapping] 1/2 or 1/3 segments. too many examples to mention.

come on chain i expected better from you. not everything that people play is static 180-260 bpm. Your advice leads him down a path where all hes going to be able to play are very simple single mid-high bpm maps that are only mapped in 1/2 or 1/4.

Philantropist wrote:

Riince is right™

erikG wrote:

I coudn't agree more with jesus1412fan. Face it. You can't avoid streams in osu! since it's an essential part of the game just like jumps are. Thats just how it is, and it's not going to change. Only playing DT and jump maps will not make you better in the long run. I'm not telling you to stop playing these maps, and I am not telling you to stop having fun. But if you want to achieve more than DT farms then I suggest you should fix your problem.

tomden wrote:

erikG wrote:

I coudn't agree more with jesus1412fan. Face it. You can't avoid streams in osu! since it's an essential part of the game just like jumps are. Thats just how it is, and it's not going to change. Only playing DT and jump maps will not make you better in the long run. I'm not telling you to stop playing these maps, and I am not telling you to stop having fun. But if you want to achieve more than DT farms then I suggest you should fix your problem.

I'ts not like I completely avoid streams, I play them daily but atm only in the 175-220bpm range. I do see improvement in my higher bpm streaming, I have improved my acc on 200 bpm stream maps alot in the last 5 months. It's just that playing lower bpm maps fucks with my head. I needed at least an hour today to adjust to playing harder maps again.

I also understand now how and when I created the habit of just vibrating my fingers starting at 180ish bpm when I do streams. I went through my old replays from when I just started playing this game and apparantly I created this technique by playing https://osu.ppy.sh/s/48979 and https://osu.ppy.sh/b/91037&m=1 every day, I have like 20 nf replays on both starting from 20% to 80% acc till I could pass them. Yes I know this is a stupid way to play but it's just the way I did, it's how I always playe. Till now my goal was always to pass maps not to fc them, and I only cared about maps that I could barely pass (I skipped the whole progress of learning low bpm and low ar). Once I passed a map I would never play it again (even if it was a C or D rank pass), my topscores were just lucky first pass fcs. I understand that I need to learn all aspects of the game to become a good player, I jus't dont feel like changing my playstyle drastically and learn the game the proper way because it would feel like doing a chore instead of playing a game for my own enjoyment.

I'm glad that I finally understand what I'm doing wrong(thanks erikG), but I'll keep playing the game the way I enjoyed playing it till now.