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Dilectus

Joined April 2014

Dilectus 2016-08-09T16:21:24+00:00

Chaoslitz wrote:
[DAVIDED'S******* Insane]
00:39:366 - Same as in Hard Here I wanted to create as big of impact as possible by emphasizing the first note in the next part. And it's also a good lead in to a more intense part of the song. I love this part so I wont change. ^^

Hey... I know me and Darwen isn't that hard to differentiate. But there's no way I can be as sexy as he is ;w; I'm just gonna take that as a compliment. <3

No fix

DeletedUser_3638005

Topic Starter

DeletedUser_3638005 2016-08-09T16:34:23+00:00

Chaoslitz

M4M (Sorry for delay)

[General]

Name you soft-sliderslide1 into soft-sliderslide instead

[Easy]

00:13:266 - Place something clickable as 00:13:566 (1) is not following any vocal, a slider starts at 00:13:266 will make a easier rhythm i feel like the beats are of the same intensity so that is why I did that, so ill keep it.
00:24:066 - ^
01:32:466 - A strong downbeat here, try something clickable? fixed
Nice diff, the only thing I would like to complain is the distance snap you have used, the map doesn't look really well when the objects are placed too close to each other (some of them are even overlapping), so 1.1x would fit i like the spacing, i will keep it for now and see what other BNs have to say about it.

[Normal]

01:44:466 (1,2) - The distance between is too close fixed
The diff is fine but it lacks of 1/2 rhythm sorry but i won't be adding 1/2 rhyhtm in a normal song, it's too fast for this bpm and doesn't fit with the diff imo
Use of 1/2 notes is encouraged as well as the development of more interesting beat placements if the song allows it.
I know the bpm is high and using too much 1/2 rhythm will be too intense, but it is still needed for diff spread (at least in kiai)

[Dream]

00:39:366 - Same as in Hard while yes, there is a beat on the white tick, the vocal is continuous (-aaaaaee-ru) therefore i feel like it's ok to keep it like this.
01:32:166 - ^
01:30:066 (1,2) - Better not to overlap this two, it is quite misleading after hitting 01:29:466 (1,2) fixed

lower diffs need more work imo
Good luck!

Thanks.

SnowNiNo_

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Joined April 2013

SnowNiNo_ 2016-08-10T12:48:36+00:00

@Chaoslitz : oky blanket with 00:40:866 (1) -

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xDarxen

313 posts

Joined July 2014

xDarxen 2016-08-11T10:39:07+00:00

Chaoslitz wrote:
M4M (Sorry for delay)

[Hard]
00:39:366 - I don't think it is good to skip the vocal here, try shorten the slider to here and then add a note on 00:39:516?
01:32:166 - ^ As Riven said, the vocal is continuous (-aaaaaee-ru) and it is also a good way to prepare players for the hard part, so I think I will leave it like that.

DavidEd wrote:
Hey... I know me and Darwen isn't that hard to differentiate. But there's no way I can be as sexy as he is ;w; I'm just gonna take that as a compliment. <3

Nice one

Kibbleru

osu! Alumni

5,844 posts

Joined August 2013

Kibbleru 2016-09-09T20:17:34+00:00

aight seems good now, poke me more next time

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

3,596 posts

Joined June 2011

Lasse 2016-09-12T13:38:59+00:00

why is the hitsounding so weird? (referring to highest diff)
it's really apparent in the kiai
http://i.imgur.com/CmUyz4v.jpg is how the song goes pretty much each measure there
00:44:466 (1) - somehow makes sense since drum clap works okay for kicks
00:44:766 - nothing on the snare though
00:45:066 - now you put a normal clap on a kick, which would make much more sense if put on ^
00:45:366 - second snare of the measure, ignored again
I don't know why the hitsounding on highest diff is different from easy/normal, on those the clap placement makes more sense
besides this it also often feels kinda lacking (mainly kiai) due to the lack of finish and whistle usage despite the song supporting it

I'd highly suggest you take a deeper look at the hitsounding of the highest diff, fix that up and copy it over to all others, right now it's a mess

01:21:666 (1,2,3,4) - this is nice though
could also consider muting normal-sliderslide (you only muted 2, but kiai uses sampleset1)

easy:
01:27:066 - somehow your nc pattern gets messed up starting here
00:43:266 (4) - soft sampleset on sliderbody is better here (same for normal), normal slider and ticks are so annoying here
01:03:666 - 01:34:266 - no hitsounding at all whole 30s section is only drum hitnormals (also main reason for the pop since this WILL be DQ'd if anyone points it out during qualification)

normal:
comboing in the intro seems pretty random 00:10:866 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 3 measures -- 00:14:466 (1,2,3,4) - 2 measures -- 00:16:866 (1,2,3,4,5) - 3 measures and then it's pretty consistent 2 measure ??
01:34:866 - 02:13:266 - this is like, extremely boring even for a normal since you just use clockwise for the whole time except like 3 small spots, first kiai was way nicer in that aspect
01:03:666 - part should probably use normal sampleset instead of drum, like you did on the highest diff
going to stop commenting on hitsounds now

darxen:
00:40:116 (2,3,2,3) - harder than most parts of the chorus despite being way less intense?
00:53:916 (5,1) - why is this stacked when 1 is way stronger? seems weird
01:03:516 (5,1) - stacking the transition into a new section doesn't really work/make any sense

davided:
00:17:765 (4,5,1) - autostacking ruins your intended symmetry pattern here
00:43:866 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - is this really necessary and then also with this spacing, something like http://i.imgur.com/LbfytAN.jpg to reduce the stream lerngth would fit the spread much better as hard uses no clickable 1/4 at all. Like people that can 99%+ the Hard will probably fail here lol
00:58:266 (3,1,4) - visuals : /
01:03:066 (4) - most emphasized sound of here but no movement/spacing change at all makes if feel insignificant

nino:
visuals look like a mess to me, but I already know how you will reply to that so...
though some of your newer stuff actually looks way nicer
but this is too triggering for me

somehow your hitsounding for lower diffs does the opposite of the highest, which in turn does the opposite of what the song does.

Last edited by Lasse 2016-09-13T12:41:18+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Dilectus

1,727 posts

Joined April 2014

Dilectus 2016-09-12T14:29:10+00:00

Lasse wrote:
00:17:765 (4,5,1) - autostacking ruins your intended symmetry pattern here will put 4,5 under 1 instead
00:43:866 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - is this really necessary and then also with this spacing, something like http://i.imgur.com/LbfytAN.jpg to reduce the stream lerngth would fit the spread much better as hard uses no clickable 1/4 at all. Like people that can 99%+ the Hard will probably fail here lol perhaps its a bit too much for a 200bpm insane
00:58:266 (3,1,4) - visuals : / played with stacking
01:03:066 (4) - most emphasized sound of here but no movement/spacing change at all makes if feel insignificant made a slight movement change upwards

Useful mod, thanks!

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xDarxen

313 posts

Joined July 2014

xDarxen 2016-09-14T10:37:24+00:00

Lasse wrote:
darxen:
00:40:116 (2,3,2,3) - harder than most parts of the chorus despite being way less intense? This was actually suggested by Saut in order to emphasize the strong sounds and make them clickable. I feel like if I change this, important sounds will be ignored, so I'll keep it.
00:53:916 (5,1) - why is this stacked when 1 is way stronger? seems weird Changed
01:03:516 (5,1) - stacking the transition into a new section doesn't really work/make any sense ^^

Thank you!

Update

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TitleUnicode:水面の桜、夢は逆夢
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Version:xDarxen's Hard
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DeletedUser_3638005

Topic Starter

DeletedUser_3638005 2017-01-11T02:33:45+00:00

Fixed everything and discussed with the mappers on some of the hitsounds.

Kibbleru

osu! Alumni

5,844 posts

Joined August 2013

Kibbleru 2017-01-12T02:04:00+00:00

lasse said i can rebubble. unless mapper lied to me

edit: oops, fixed

Pentori

1,157 posts

Joined November 2015

Pentori 2017-01-17T14:47:42+00:00

ok, i'm popping this again for a couple of reasons:
the updates from davided and xdarxen weren't even applied
normal-hitwhistle and drum-hitwhistle are inaudible, listen to 00:45:366 - you cant hear the whistle over the normal sampleset. try amplifying the volume or selecting a different hitsound
nino's diff has no separate hitsound for snares 00:44:766 - it seems you fixed these in other diffs from lasse's mod, just remember to copy them

ok now for the actual mod
[Dream]
00:40:266 (1,2) - 00:41:466 (1,2) - the slider ends have so much weight - clicking the white ticks doesn't follow the music that well
00:44:466 - why are you using a different hitsound here? the drums are the same, if you want to use a unique hitsound for the stronger downbeat then use a finish
01:02:691 (2) - not sure why you choose to do this now, the main melody is more attached to the red tick 01:02:616
01:22:266 (3,4) - for such a weak sound i dont think it deserves this much spacing
01:29:466 - the intensity drops so much here yet the music doesn't change. if you want to emphasise the vocals, there are better ways of doing so that doesn't drop the intensity
01:33:066 (1,2) - stronger red tick, ctrl g rhythm

[NiNo's Extra]
01:10:116 (4,5) - your usage of sliders feels very offbeat in some places, if the vocals + instruments are on the white ticks here, why are the reds clicked? happens a lot in the section
01:13:716 (5,6,7,1) - flows very poorly, you have a mix of different spacings with awkward angles
01:38:616 - random clap?
01:53:166 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - decreasing in pitch, therefore gradually decreasing spacing would be more appropriate
01:54:666 (5,6,7,8) - i dont really agree with these overmapped sliders lol, just feels too forced ; w;

DeletedUser_3638005

Topic Starter

DeletedUser_3638005 2017-01-17T16:25:43+00:00

00:40:266 (1,2) - 00:41:466 (1,2) - the slider ends have so much weight - clicking the white ticks doesn't follow the music that well Starting the sliders on the red ticks felt weird with the rest of the map so I made them jumps
00:44:466 - why are you using a different hitsound here? the drums are the same, if you want to use a unique hitsound for the stronger downbeat then use a finish
01:02:691 (2) - not sure why you choose to do this now, the main melody is more attached to the red tick 01:02:616
01:22:266 (3,4) - for such a weak sound i dont think it deserves this much spacing
01:29:466 - the intensity drops so much here yet the music doesn't change. if you want to emphasise the vocals, there are better ways of doing so that doesn't drop the intensity
01:33:066 (1,2) - stronger red tick, ctrl g rhythm Made those jumps too, to be consistent with 00:40:266 (1,2,3,4) -

Fixed everything, thanks

SnowNiNo_

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

2,106 posts

Joined April 2013

SnowNiNo_ 2017-01-17T17:35:14+00:00

Pentori wrote:
[NiNo's Extra]
01:10:116 (4,5) - your usage of sliders feels very offbeat in some places, if the vocals + instruments are on the white ticks here, why are the reds clicked? happens a lot in the section
01:13:716 (5,6,7,1) - flows very poorly, you have a mix of different spacings with awkward angles
01:38:616 - random clap?
01:53:166 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - decreasing in pitch, therefore gradually decreasing spacing would be more appropriate
01:54:666 (5,6,7,8) - i dont really agree with these overmapped sliders lol, just feels too forced ; w; hmm i think these kicks give great emphasis on the intense music here, since this part too the end is the most intense part of the song

thx for mod :3
change some rhythm choice on 01:10:116 (4,5) - this part, might want to take a look again :>
and polish a bit

upd8

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Pentori

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Pentori 2017-01-22T02:30:10+00:00

re

check tag conflict

dream
00:41:466 (1,2) - and 01:30:066 - did u mean to fix these from previous mod?

edit: did some stuff

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23:14 Riven: hey
23:14 Riven: i just saw your post, can i have a clarification on something?
23:14 *Riven is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1053232 otetsu - Minamo no Sakura, Yume wa Sakayume [Dream]]
23:14 Pentori: yeah whats up
23:14 Riven: 01:30:066 - about this point, you mean you want me to make that part more intense?
23:15 Riven: 01:30:066 (1,2,1,2) -
23:15 Pentori: yeah
23:15 Pentori: the intensity drop is too drastic imo
23:15 Pentori: u can do something like in ninos diff
23:16 Riven: would filling the red ticks between the sliders be enough?
23:16 Riven: let me see
23:16 Pentori: yeah
23:16 Pentori: that works
23:16 Riven: yea he does the same thing
23:16 Pentori: yep
23:22 Riven: alright that should be good now i think
23:23 Riven: 00:39:666 (1) - till 00:39:666 (1) -
23:23 Riven: do you think this part is too intense
23:23 Riven: cause i don't have any sliders
23:24 Pentori: yeah, making them jumps doesnt work well
23:25 Riven: let me see what i can do
23:25 Pentori: 00:40:266 - http://puu.sh/tvFyb/f8478a2c24.jpg
23:25 Pentori: id put sliders for the different sounds
23:25 Pentori: but up 2 you
23:26 Riven: 00:41:166 - i was about to make this a slider
23:26 Riven: sliders on red ticks seem a little weird to me
23:29 Pentori: yeah but
23:29 Pentori: emphasis
23:42 Riven: alright i ended up using your recommended rhythm
23:42 Riven: 00:40:266 (1) - changed patterns from here till 00:43:566 (4) -
23:44 Pentori: looks better
00:13 Pentori: so is it ready now?
00:14 Riven: yeah i believe so
00:15 Pentori: got metadata somewhere?
00:16 Riven: i had the link
00:17 Riven: but my bookmarked pages got wiped
00:17 Riven: ill find it again
00:17 Riven: one moment
00:18 Pentori: ok, thx
00:19 Riven: http://otetsu721.blog60.fc2.com/blog-entry-292.html
00:19 Riven: this is his official blog
00:21 Riven: i asked about the title before, if it should be
00:21 Riven: ''otetsu feat.巡音ルカ''
00:21 Riven: or just otetsu
00:21 Riven: and i was told to put 巡音ルカ in the tags
00:21 Riven: which is Megurine Luka
00:22 Pentori: yep
00:22 Pentori: seems fine

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Ankanogradiel 2017-01-23T15:00:26+00:00

wah congrats boi

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vipto

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vipto 2017-01-25T15:31:14+00:00

please dont ever touch the editor again

xLolicore-

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xLolicore- 2017-01-26T01:13:41+00:00

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Shiirn

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Shiirn 2017-01-26T02:19:44+00:00

hope you polish up your next map a bit more in the massive amount of time you have between BN checks, you've got a lot of crap all over in the top diff (absolutely disgusting blankets, bad structure, messed up consistency, weird choices like why isnt 01:22:266 (3,4) - a slider?, 02:04:116 (4,1,2,3,4) - wtf is this rhythm, you're really doing a bad job of representing the flute, etc) and i can only assume there are similar things in the other diffs

nothing really DQ worthy but really should have been pointed out at some point for the sake of your own map's wellbeing.

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DeletedUser_3638005 2017-01-26T19:34:29+00:00

Thanks for your concerns, I will consider them in my future maps, but you see, this was mapped in 2015, so it uses my old mapping style. Also, the blankets aren't disgusting and the structure is fine. : )

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