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penoreri - Monochrome and Vivid

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Liiraye
1,354 posts
Joined December 2011
Topic Starter
Liiraye
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on den 9 januari 2016 at 20:38:23

Artist: penoreri
Title: Monochrome and Vivid
Tags: Liiraye 『Sense of Purpose』 Nico Indies What It Takes To Fly yuumei M3-34
BPM: 112
Filesize: 15462kb
Play Time: 07:44
Difficulties Available:
  1. Awake (5,79 stars, 1468 notes)
Download: penoreri - Monochrome and Vivid
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Writing Mapping has...
been to me like a bath from which I have risen
feeling cleaner, healthier, and freer.


- Henrik Ibsen

special thanks
testplayers and opinions
Aphromoo
Axarious
Omgforz
Keigoclear
CXu
Slizzer
Alumetorz
Talala
Xytox
Xiniox
Sinch
GoldenWolf

mods
grumd
MokouSmoke
xDarxen
Kalibe
Side
Fort
Blue Dragon
GoldenWolf
AndreasHD
-Tochi
Come[Back]Home
SukiNathan
BeatofIke
Kyubey

applause
Secretpipe

I've gathered hitsounds from various sources, some of which from Shiro, Evilelvis and Goldenwolf's maps.

Big credits to Azer for finding the mp3 :)

first map I'm proud of
Last edited by Liiraye , edited 62 times in total.
Ethayth
Ethayth
I love this map!
Liiraye
1,354 posts
Joined December 2011
Topic Starter
Liiraye
Thank you man :D hopefully I will rank this map... but I need help
XII
259 posts
Joined November 2013
XII
:!: great
Roxy Migurdia
105 posts
Joined January 2013
Roxy Migurdia
best
Xiniox
25 posts
Joined November 2014
Xiniox
Great map man, love your mapping style! :D
alfred
16 posts
Joined September 2013
alfred
sexy map
Liiraye
1,354 posts
Joined December 2011
Topic Starter
Liiraye
ayy thanks guys 8-)
MokouSmoke
495 posts
Joined May 2013
MokouSmoke
from my queue~
[General]
  1. mp3 quality is >192 kbps and unrankable
  2. the dimension of your BG is off by 1 pixel lol
  3. uncheck "enable countdown"
[Map]
  1. 01:05:246 (3,4) - The 1/3 rhythm isn't very apparent to the player. I would consider using a 1/3 slider instead
  2. 01:13:460 (4,5,6) - the rhythm feels a little awkward, especially the triplet ending on a red tick. maybe use the same rhythm as 01:13:058 (2,3) - ?
  3. 01:13:862 (1,2,3) - same thing, emphasis on a blue tick plays strange
  4. 01:42:121 - remove drum sound for slidertick?
  5. 03:12:224 (1) - It sounds like there are some timing issues, but I'm not an expert at this
  6. 03:12:593 (2) - remove, doesn't follow anything in song
  7. 03:40:974 (1) - I think 1/1 slider + note works better, I'm not hearing anything on the blue tick mark to justify the repeat (same with the other 3/8 sliders)
  8. 03:58:531 (5,1) - just a suggestion for this section, but you can replace this with a 1/1 slider to create some more intensity by skipping the downbeat
  9. 05:26:136 - another idea would be to put a spinner here until 05:30:136 - so the player follows the piano only after the guitar is finished
  10. 05:38:886 (2) - i'd break up into a note +1/2 slider since 05:38:886 - has a much higher piano sound. same with 05:40:386 (2) -
  11. 05:43:636 (5) - maybe change this to a circle. i think a puase at 05:43:886 - has a nice effect. you could do the same with the other similar patterns
  12. 07:20:189 (2,1) - use bigger spacing or sharper angle to emphasize (2) ? I think it should be more similar to what you did at 07:22:320 (4,5) -
The difference in difficulty between the calm parts and the intense guitar solos is huge. You could maybe tone down some of the streams/jumps, but I think it fits well with the song. Hope that helps and good luck!
Liiraye
1,354 posts
Joined December 2011
Topic Starter
Liiraye
helpful mod, thank you!
xDarxen
313 posts
Joined July 2014
xDarxen
Hullo :D

[General]
  1. You should consider adding an epilepsy warning, because of the storyboard.
[Awake]
  1. 01:41:585 (1) - Remove NC since you did with 01:45:871 (4).
  2. 02:56:996 (1,2,3,4,1) - This spacing is quite unexpected. I recomend you shorten it just a little, like from 1,3x make it 1,2x
  3. 03:17:281 (4) - Change place with 03:17:451 (5) ? It has better flow that way.
  4. 03:39:781 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - I'm not sure if this is rankable. Ask for more opinions to be sure.
  5. 05:20:219 (1) - This is unsnapped, as well as the timing point.
  6. 05:20:596 (1) - ^
  7. Idk there is something wrong with the timing from 05:19:156 untill 05:26:136
  8. 06:31:121 (1) - Snap pls. There are more of these for some reason
That's all. It is actually really good. Just consider checking the snapping again. Good luck!
Kalibe
2,060 posts
Joined October 2013
Kalibe
This song... awww.

-Dat slash at the beginning. Is this necessary?
-Your BG resolution have 1364x767 - should be 1366x768 acc to RC blabla.
-Mp3 have 320kbps. You should decrease bitrate to 192 or 128.
-One file in SB is missing. Check AIbot.
-00:57:925 - This green line doesn't change anything, so i prefer to delete it lol.
-Check Epilepsy warning, you know why.
-Only one tag? Sad. ):
- Unsnapped inherited (green) sections at: 06:33:396 - snap to 06:33:309

Awake :

-06:32:544 (2) - Unsnapped slider.

-02:05:960 (1) -02:17:746 (1) - Delete NCs, it's really unnessesary tho.
-03:03:474 (3,5) - It'll be nioce, if you make (3) same curve as in (5).
-03:08:588 (2) - How about this ?
-03:12:593 (2,3) - These circles looks out of place dude. Mayb just stack on 03:12:167 (1) - ?
-03:40:207 (6,12) - If you want to make a overlapped stream, please, NC these.
-04:50:179 (7) - I personally prefer to ctrl J this slider to get a nice transision with stream.
-05:20:219 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - This part is sooooo misleading tbh ):

Ok, that's all. Good luck o/
Side
1,127 posts
Joined October 2013
Side
Hi here's a hitsound thing :v

SPOILER
[Asleep]

00:59:532 (4) - Add finish. Sounds like the finish follows that loud bang so it would normally go here.

01:03:282 (5,7) - Also add finishes

01:05:424 (5,6) - For this I'd suggest adding the claps to (5) since it's the same kinda static sound. Technically you could keep the claps on 6 as well because that static thing still plays but there's also a bit of a lighter static sound playing on the 1/6 so you could probably do something like (5) is claps and (6) is Finish/whistles. Both sound nice imo. One other thing you could do is also add one clap to 01:05:960 - just that part of this slider then the rest is whistle or finishes whichever you prefer.

01:08:103 (5) - Finish

01:12:925 - One thing I just noticed is you have this custom clap to I guess follow the static. If that's the case then maybe use this same drum D:C1 for the part back at 01:05:424 for consistency. Also technically the hitsound pattern doesn't really mimic the one in the music but it doesn't sound bad this way so its fine.

01:15:067 (1) - HNNNNNG if you could raise the pitch of this by one half step it would sound sooooo sexy. So I played around with the .wav file in audacity and I think I got the pitch right. I'm not the best at this cuz that was probably my first time using it for that but I attached the fixed drum-hitfinish2 here.

01:16:407 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - While personally I don't like the whistle spam it's not wrong. Although if you're open to suggestions I'd have the whistle every 1/2 tick. Actually keep the whistles doesn't sound too bad in game. Only thing missing is the custom finish you'd normally have on 01:16:675 (5,1) - and the clap at 01:17:745 (1) - so I suppose you can still add the defaults so the hitsounds are consistent or maybe add a few more timing points and switch to custom for those notes only then switch back to soft. That mighit not sound so nice but if you could figure something out for this it'd sound great :v

01:19:353 (1) - So after changing the custom keysound this also sounds kinda nice. It's not the same pitch as the bell here but it does add a bit of harmony. If you REALLY wanna be fancy with it though you could probably add a few more custom hitsound numbers and if there are more different bell sounds I can make a few to match the pitch. As of now though this one sounds fine with the new bell pitch mostly since it's in the same key (D# vs D).

01:21:049 (5,1) - Add finish. Like the previous suggestion if you could manage to get the custom finish you had on 01:20:425 (3) - and keep the default whistle for these it'd be great :v

01:22:031 (1) - Add clap and same as above if you can get dat custom clap in dere like 01:23:103 (9) -

01:25:246 (5,1) - Add finish and same point as 01:21:049

01:26:317 (1) - Add clap and same point as 01:22:031

01:29:264 - ^ same things lol

01:41:585 (1) - If you could mute the slider end it'd keep that silence effect that the single notes give 01:33:014 (4) - 01:37:299 (4) -

01:45:871 (4) - ^

01:53:103 (6) - Custom whistle on the head would sound nice here cuz then it'd give it like a clap - clap clap clap - clap - clap clap clap pattern sort of if that makes sense xD

Actually since I couldn't really follow a rhythm with the whistles in this section in general 01:49:353 - 02:06:496 - I'll throw out a suggestion. You can disregard it if you had a pattern and also don't like how this sounds :v

OMG A BOX CLICK IT
- 01:54:175 (2) - Remove whistle from head and add to slider end at 01:54:710 -
- 01:55:246 (4) - Add whistle to head
- 01:56:585 (3,4) - Add whistle
- 02:01:675 (7,8) - Add whistle on 7 and remove from 8
- 02:02:210 (1) - Remove whistle from head and add to the red tick at 02:02:478 -
- 02:03:014 (2,3) - Remove whistle from 2 and add whistle to 3's head.

It will add a bit of a rhythm to this quiet section it doesn't necessarily follow the piano but it sounds pleasant and hitsound patterns also serve to give players audible feedback since they'll be single tapping and be like oh here comes that whistle and then tap and BOOM whistle FeelsGoodMan

Anyway back to hitsounds

02:28:700 (1) - Add clap to tail and remove clap from tail

02:29:553 (4) - Remove clap and add whistle

02:32:621 (6) - Remove clap add whistle. BTW this is to keep that rhythm pattern the same.

02:32:791 (1) - 02:33:473 (5) - Not a hitsound thing but make sure to add that visual effect you have at 02:34:155 (1) - for those two notes since they all have that finish sound. It will look pretty cool and add some buildup.

02:38:247 (1) - Add clap to head

02:39:610 (1) - ^

02:40:974 (1) - ^

02:43:701 (1) - ^

02:45:065 (1) - ^

02:45:406 (3) - ^ Also get rid of the green timing here since it's the same D:C5 as the previous.

02:45:576 (4) - Remove clap here though.

02:45:747 (5) - Add clap here and remove clap at 02:45:917 (6) - Now I suggested this cuz then what the claps do from 02:45:065 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - is clap clap pause clap pause clap clap finish which is a common drum pattern when changing into a different section of the song like from the first part of the chorus to the second in this case. Music stuffs lol trust me on this :v

02:45:747 (5) - Also personally I would keep the D:C5 custom here to better follow the drums. I know why you switched back to 2 to follow the bell there but if you switch to D:C5 it sounds so nice especially after the hitsound changes suggested above. Try it and see if you like it (hope you do lol)

02:46:429 (1) - Add clap to head

02:50:520 (1) - ^

02:51:883 (1) - ^

02:54:610 (1) - ^

02:55:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Well this could work I suppose :v

If you want you can also try something like 02:56:059 (2) - add clap, 02:56:400 (6,7,8) - remove clap, 02:56:741 (2) - add clap and give it a bit of a different sound but up to you.

02:57:338 - So for this section I'm not sure if you're following the drums and the guitar with the hitsounds. For example 03:00:406 (2) - 03:01:088 (7) - 03:01:429 (1) - 03:02:110 (3,4) - Have a different rhythm than the first part at 02:57:338 - 02:59:895 - I'd suggest a few alternatives but I also don't know if you had something im mind that you'd prefer with these hitsounds.

Anyway I'll list the suggestions here anyway and if you didn't wanna change them that's fine.

WHOA WHATS IN THIS BOX???
- 02:59:724 (4) - Remove finish from tail
- 03:00:406 (2) - Change to finish
- 03:00:747 (3) - Change to clap
- 03:01:088 (7) - Remove both and add finish to both head and tail
- 03:01:429 (1) - Change to whistle
- 03:02:110 (3) - Remove both and change to clap
- 03:04:497 (2) - Change to finish
- 03:06:883 (1) - Remove whistle from the tail
- 03:07:565 (1) - Add clap
- 03:07:906 (5) - Coud add clap to the end as well but it's preference if you wanna.
- 03:08:758 (3) - Add clap to tail
- 03:12:593 (2) - Remove clap
- 03:13:701 (1) - Add finish
- 03:14:895 (1,2,3) - Would sound good if you muted the sliders like you did at 03:20:349 (1,2,3) -
- 03:16:429 (1) - Add finish and remove clap
- 03:16:770 (2) - Whistle on the head might sound nice.
- 03:19:156 (1) - Remove clap from tail
- 03:19:838 (4) - Add clap
- 03:20:179 (5) - Remove whistle
- 03:20:349 (1) - Remove clap
- 03:21:372 - Volume on this should be 70% so it keeps the intensity in the song. Also remove clap from 03:21:372 (4) -
- 03:21:883 (1) - Remove clap add finish
- 03:22:395 (3) - Remove clap from the head and add clap to tail.
- 03:22:906 (5) - Add clap sounds nice :v
- 03:24:781 (3) - Remove clap from head
- 03:25:292 (5) - Add clap to head
- 03:25:633 (6) - Add clap
- 03:25:804 (7) - Remove clap from tail
- 03:30:576 (3) - Remove clap from head and move to the tail
- 03:31:088 (5) - Remove whistle from head. Gives it a nice effect.
- 03:31:770 (2) - Remove clap
- 03:31:940 (3) - Add clap to tail
- 03:33:133 (2) - Remove clap
- 03:33:474 (4) - Add clap
- 03:33:645 (5) - Add clap to tail and remove clap from 03:33:985 (6) -
- 03:35:179 (5) - Add clap

Okay back to hitsounding

04:40:291 (1) - Should get rid of this finish. Not that strong in the song.

05:56:636 (6) - Remove whistle from head

06:00:431 (1) - Add whistle

06:23:068 (4,5) - Remove whistle from 4 and add to 5 imo.

06:28:522 (7,8) - Whistle on both would sound nice :v

06:43:552 (6) - Add whistle to head

06:45:352 (4) - ^

06:48:952 (1) - ^

06:48:052 (5) - Also probably remove whistle from this one

06:50:752 (4) - Add whistle. Maybe also on 06:51:052 (5) -


DAMN this was a huge mod. Inb4 no changes :v Also I could've missed a few things or not suggested some parts because they didn't sound that bad so yeh

Also might wanna bug charles or pishi to doublecheck those BPM changes just in case. A few sounded a bit late at some parts to me anyway.

Hope this helps. Good luck! :)
Ciyus Miapah
3,011 posts
Joined June 2013
Ciyus Miapah
hi Nube

the One:
- I think the background really creepy and gory a bit, it makes me feel so bad with this thing. yeah this creepy i think aaaa
- put epilepsy warning!
- change mp3 quality, aimod catch this problem
- aimod catch something missing too, static.png in here
- make all .wav files 1411kbps to make sure it has good and balanced hitsounding quality


this map is already perfect maybe i can say some little things here:
02:35:520 - fix samplesound difference in here
06:32:454 - ^
06:33:309 - ^
06:34:552 - ^
07:10:563 - ^
07:38:213 - ^
05:20:860 (2,2) - maybe fix this overlap thingy
04:18:645 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this storyboard too brutal for my eyes ;-; ah man, this is high epilepsy level
03:39:781 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - looks you can make better streaming pattern than thjis, i think this pattern really hard to hit by just only sightreading
04:42:679 (2,3) - i think this jumps should be higher than 04:42:508 (1,2) - because high guitar pitch
05:23:248 (2) - i feel something is wrong with this notes, it has another BPM change a bit maybe
07:19:889 (1,2,1,2) - confusing enough with this BPM change lol yeah maybe it just me but maybe you can take a look that notes really closer
03:12:167 (1,2,3) - well this kinda sudden spaced stream, maybe you can stack 03:12:679 (3) - to 03:12:593 (2) - for better jump flow to 03:12:849 (4) -

maybe just that i can say, some mods just only suggestion to make this map feels more better cuz marathons needs comfy maps :3
see ya later and good luck! :)
Mismagius
9,237 posts
Joined July 2008
Mismagius
hi

to anyone reading this: no this doesn't mean i'm modding maps, i owe liiraye a mod since 3 years ago

[Awake]
  • i'm not sure but check that the hitsounds start exactly where the .wav file starts, i find them a bit delayed looking at the map, at first i thought the timing was wrong but doesn't seem like it
  1. 01:00:067 (5) - add a new combo here, it's a new measure and you did it in later measures
  2. 01:41:585 (4) - i'd make this slider mirrored (the first part of the wave goes to the left) so it flows better with (3)
  3. 01:48:014 (4,5) - there's a bigger jump in intensity in (4,5) than (3,4), so I'd make the (3,4) jump smaller than (4,5)'s
  4. 02:43:190 (4) - I know this is intentional but it looks a bit ugly when not stacked
  5. 02:51:542 (7,8,1) - I'd make these a triangle. There isn't such a big intensity jump to make the spacing inconsistent between these three
  6. 02:52:565 (3) - same as 02:43
  7. 02:53:247 (1,3) - this one looks fine for example
  8. 02:58:360 (4,5) - why not stack :(
  9. 03:40:122 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - I really don't think back-and-forth streams are nice to play but whatever floats your boat
  10. 04:30:917 (5) - I'd stack this with 04:29:894 (9) - instead. It's a way too under-emphasized jump right now
  11. 05:30:136 (1,2,3) - i don't really get this spacing inconsistency, (2,3) has a bigger emphasizing than (1,2)
  12. 05:34:886 (4) - following your spacing logic for this part, i'd place this note around 296;224
  13. 05:46:886 (3) - I'd place this note farther away from 3 as it has some emphasizing in the song
  14. 06:32:454 (1,2,3) - I don't see why dividing this into 3 notes. It feels really confusing since it's just a single sound, there's no need to click 3 times.
that is a fucking weird song
Liiraye
1,354 posts
Joined December 2011
Topic Starter
Liiraye
phew ok now i checked everything. Thank you all for the massive help, I've changed most of what you guys pointed out :) (big thanks to side lol!)


stuff to fix:

storyboard
extra timing check
somehow getting a lower bitrate mp3 while not losing quality
Last edited by Liiraye , edited 2 times in total.
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf
yo

Timing stuff I already did a month ago
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AndreasHD
478 posts
Joined June 2010
AndreasHD
DISPLAY EPILEPSY WARNING !

And here is the mp3 request -> http://puu.sh/m4EgK/8702e5baae.mp3

Also, In the storyboard, you can delete the SB/ravenn scale here: 00:57:925 to reduce sb load. You can keep it at 00:00:000 and it stays big :)
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Liiraye
1,354 posts
Joined December 2011
Topic Starter
Liiraye
05:22:842 (1,1,2) -

06:32:460 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) -

07:15:465 (1) -

some things I have questions about GW, just noting down so I remember cuz you're offline :p
Last edited by Liiraye , edited 3 times in total.
-Tochi
Elite Storyboarder
1,444 posts
Joined November 2013
-Tochi


  • General

  1. File missing:static.png
  2. This map may need an epilepsy warning, as it contains frequently toggled storyboards.
  3. Audio bitrate is higher than 192kbps. Consider recompressing to CBR 192kbps or VBR ~1.0.
  4. Add combo colors.


  • Awake

  1. 02:34:837 (3) - Please avoid this overlap.
  2. 04:08:076 (8) - This flow is bad when the slider is too far away, move it more to the right, both the last anchor point and slider: http://puu.sh/m53Ml/fe7fdc1b44.png


  • Feedback


    Oh, nice map! Good luck :3
FuryArt
18 posts
Joined June 2014
FuryArt
Beautiful. Have a star from me (o_ _)ﾉ彡☆
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01:13:128 (2,3) - 01:13:530 (4,5) - 01:13:932 (1,2) - Would it be better to play without the stack? Those repeat sliders are actually more fun to play if you have some movement before. Maybe something like this? Example
01:21:298 (7,8,9,1,2,3,4) - Streams like this are mostly really hard to read/follow. Do it like here 01:26:120 (4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - Thats actually fun to play since the streams arent stacked.
01:57:191 (5) - Shouldnt this slider end here 01:57:459 - ? Since theres a melodic sound
02:10:048 (2,3) - why is the ds here different? shouldnt it be the same as here 02:09:780 (1,2) - ?
02:34:905 (3,1) - this one should be ending on the red tick 02:35:416 - so the sv change wont take the player by a sudden surprise.
02:56:979 (4,1,2,3,4) - I think the ds is a bit too high in this one. Use 1,2, it fits with the ds changes made before a lot better
03:06:950 - Starting here i think that this: Click fits way better with the guitar
03:40:104 (4,1,2,3) - pretty much the same as 01:21:298 (7,8,9,1,2,3,4)
03:56:553 (4,5,1) - The spacing is unnecessarly high, reduce it a bit.
04:39:507 (9) - i would add the same finish on top of this slider as here 04:36:950 - It kinda gives the part a "finishing blow" if you know what i mean
05:30:198 - 07:44:453 - this is perfect T.T. I cried

This map is awesome!!!! (especially the slow parts)
Good Luck!
Nathan
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according to RC you can't silence sliderticks and sliderslides together, gotta pick one

  1. 03:14:963 (1,2,3) - any reason for these to be 2/3s and 03:23:144 (1,2,3) these to be 3/4s? they're the exact same thing aren't they?
  2. 04:16:326 (5,1) - I don't see any differences between how you previously placed these, shouldn't they be stacked like 04:14:963 (6,1) and 04:17:690 (5,1)
  3. 04:54:337 (5) - maybe NC for the huge change in spacing like you did for other streams
  4. 05:34:073 (1) - not sure what snap this is but it definitely doesn't start on blue tick, sounds like 1/12 to me
  5. 07:17:706 (2) - NC? at first I thought there wasn't another bpm change on this because it just continued the combo from 07:17:272 (1) but there is so it's a bit hard to read
nice map and song, you can call me back whenever~
Liiraye
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sukiNathan wrote:

according to RC you can't silence sliderticks and sliderslides together, gotta pick one

  1. 03:14:963 (1,2,3) - any reason for these to be 2/3s and 03:23:144 (1,2,3) these to be 3/4s? they're the exact same thing aren't they?
  2. 04:16:326 (5,1) - I don't see any differences between how you previously placed these, shouldn't they be stacked like 04:14:963 (6,1) and 04:17:690 (5,1)
  3. 04:54:337 (5) - maybe NC for the huge change in spacing like you did for other streams
  4. 05:34:073 (1) - not sure what snap this is but it definitely doesn't start on blue tick, sounds like 1/12 to me
  5. 07:17:706 (2) - NC? at first I thought there wasn't another bpm change on this because it just continued the combo from 07:17:272 (1) but there is so it's a bit hard to read
nice map and song, you can call me back whenever~

I agree with everything, but in your second point, 04:16:326 (5,1) - I don't see any differences between how you previously placed these, shouldn't they be stacked like 04:14:963 (6,1) and 04:17:690 (5,1) I'm going for a variation pattern where they are either stacked or have a single jump as seen here 03:58:599 (5,1) - 03:59:963 (5,1) - and every part after that. Why what you pointed out has 2 stacks after eachother just happened because that's the pattern I found myself with, and I think it plays pretty good this way!

Thanks a lot for the mod again :D


edit: removed epilepsy warning cuz sb is removed
Nathan
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drum-hitwhistle3 is unused and the delay of drum-hitclap5 should be cut off
Liiraye
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sukiNathan wrote:

drum-hitwhistle3 is unused and the delay of drum-hitclap5 should be cut off
fixed!
Nathan
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BeatofIke
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We fixed some minor things in the map.
Bubble #2~
Short IRC
00:54 Nube: hey ike... is it ok to ask for a mod in early january? :D my map is bubbled and I need like 1 more bn
00:55 Nube: approval set
00:55 Nube: seeing as you are done modding in 2015 haha
01:12 BeatofIke: I'll take once more mapper, but after that, that;s it :P
01:12 BeatofIke: send me your map :)
01:12 Nube: :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
01:12 *Nube is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/840864 penoreri - Monochrome and Vivid]
01:12 Nube: saved me bro, I've listerally gone through all the bns and nobody is available anymore but you and the other guy
01:13 BeatofIke: I get that a lot lol
01:13 Nube: feelsbadman
01:13 Nube: especially now that people dropped out you guys must be getting loads
01:14 BeatofIke: yeah ._.
01:15 Nube: just one thing to note when you go through it, I talked to sukinathan who bubbled it about forgetting to silence a slidertick, he said it's fine and the next bn can fix that
01:15 Nube: it wouldn't require me to get one more bn tho would it? D:
01:15 Nube: as it will pop his bubble
01:18 BeatofIke: self-pop doesn't count lol if it's minor changes :)
01:18 BeatofIke: It doesn't require another BN :P
01:19 BeatofIke: to re-bubble
01:19 Nube: oh sweet... been a while since I ranked something so I'm kinda rusty
01:20 BeatofIke: since this map is a marathon: you'll need 3 BNs anyways :)
01:20 Nube: yeah I've got another who said he'd check it out thankfully :v
01:21 BeatofIke: suki has bubble #1, so I have to bubble #2 :D
01:21 BeatofIke: cool cool :)
01:39 *BeatofIke is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/840864 penoreri - Monochrome and Vivid]
01:39 Nube: :D
01:39 Nube: so the slider I was talking about was this one 06:56:233 (1) -
01:40 Nube: the slider tick isnt silenced
01:40 Nube: so ill go ahead and do that now
01:40 BeatofIke: okay :3
01:41 Nube: and another thing, I'm not sure why soft-sliderslide isnt working on the last sliders in the map. they have soft sampleset yet the sliderslide isnt working for me?
01:41 Nube: 07:35:213 (1,1) -
01:41 Nube: you can hear it hear clearly
01:41 Nube: right
01:43 BeatofIke: i can hear it o3o
01:43 Nube: any idea? :s
01:44 BeatofIke: Oh, I think I know why o3o
01:44 BeatofIke: You're using default XD
01:45 Nube: default? :o
01:45 BeatofIke: S
01:45 Nube: oh
01:45 Nube: OHHH
01:45 Nube: LOL
01:45 Nube: I'm so stupid
01:45 BeatofIke: www
01:46 Nube: so from here on 07:18:872 - I'm changing to s1
01:47 Nube: sweet
01:53 BeatofIke: wow, good map lol
01:54 Nube: :D thank you!
01:55 BeatofIke: timing is not bad either
01:55 Nube: yeah I did a lot of timing checks with goldenwolf
01:55 Nube: that guy is a beast at timing
01:55 BeatofIke: He is lol
01:58 BeatofIke: You might as well remove all the unused green timing sections at 02:24:678 - 07:16:888 - 07:17:706 -
01:58 BeatofIke: Also, the green timing section at 06:33:908 - is unsnapped. Just some minor thing worth mentioning :3
02:00 Nube: ah thanks
02:00 Nube: done!
02:00 BeatofIke: alright looking good :)
02:01 Nube: should I update? :D
02:01 BeatofIke: sure :D
02:03 Nube: oh dont forget your kd
02:03 Nube: or wait thats fine if you only bubble right
02:03 BeatofIke: sure :)
02:04 Nube: oke done
02:06 BeatofIke: Just once more thing: drum-hitwhistle.wav and drum-hitwhistle2.wav are shorter then 100ms D:
02:07 BeatofIke: drum-hitwhistle.wav has 28ms and drum-hitwhistle2.wav has 22ms o3o
02:07 Nube: oh is that illegal?
02:07 Nube: D:
02:07 BeatofIke: yeah :<
02:07 Nube: can I just drag them out maybe?
02:07 Nube: like as long as the file is 100 ms
02:07 Nube: its fine right?
02:08 Nube: else silent sliderends wouldnt work
02:08 BeatofIke: Okay, f you...want to :/
02:08 BeatofIke: if*
02:08 Nube: or sliderslides
02:08 Nube: or idk, do you have another solution xd
02:08 BeatofIke: yup
02:08 BeatofIke: I culd probably fix that :3
02:08 BeatofIke: could*
02:08 Nube: :D
02:09 Nube: sweet
02:17 BeatofIke: Done: http://puu.sh/mchyW/899e560e21.wav http://puu.sh/mchyD/c870e98409.wav
02:18 BeatofIke: :)
02:18 Nube: <3
02:18 BeatofIke: Just replace these and we're good to go hopefully :3
02:20 Nube: ok I think that should do it
02:20 BeatofIke: okay :)
02:21 BeatofIke: and....we're good :D
02:21 Nube: wooo
02:22 BeatofIke: Any last changes you like to make before I bubble #2?
02:22 Nube: no I think we covered everything I was concerned about :D
02:22 BeatofIke: okay then :3
02:22 BeatofIke: brb
02:22 Nube: thanks btw, I need to walk my dog now
02:22 Nube: o/
02:23 Nube: she needs da popo
02:23 BeatofIke: lol okay
02:23 BeatofIke: have fun XD
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SPOILER
20:45 Nube: reminderrrr
20:45 Nube: :p
20:46 Kyubey: yaa will do after grumd's map
20:47 Nube: yey
21:29 Kyubey: yoo
21:30 Nube: oioi
21:30 Nube: playing some d3 x)
21:30 Nube: you done?
21:30 Kyubey: yap
21:30 Kyubey: want to offer you testplay first
21:30 Kyubey: so you'll probably notice things that you'd like to change
21:31 Kyubey: though probably bancho is lagging now
21:31 Nube: oh
21:31 Nube: you want me to spec?
21:31 Kyubey: yes
21:32 Nube: ye lets see if bancho is fine x)
21:32 Kyubey: it can help you to understand some things that can appear hard/unreadable
21:32 Kyubey: like these 1/3 streams
21:33 Nube: ye I know they are tricky the first time you play em, but I've had a lot of playtesters, and I've been very self critical and changed them up
21:33 Kyubey: i'll suggest to start them with repeat sliders though
21:33 Nube: also as they are part of the beginning I feel it's fine, easy to retry
21:33 Kyubey: it will help to get there's 1/3 stream
21:39 Nube: on all of them you mean?
21:39 Nube: bancho lags so much xd
21:39 Kyubey: rip
21:40 Nube: well i saw most of it at least
21:40 Kyubey: spacing feels so overdone :(
21:40 Nube: where?
21:40 Kyubey: overall
21:40 Kyubey: and in some streams
21:41 Nube: really? I've been encouraged to make them like that
21:41 Nube: to excentuate the guitar as it gets higher
21:41 Kyubey: 02:56:042 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - this is a pretty tough way to start that part
21:41 Kyubey: even if i did it all 300s
21:42 Nube: mm
21:42 Nube: I agree that it could be changed a bit in terms of looks
21:43 Kyubey: less spacing would be nice here
21:43 Nube: but I'd keep the spacings
21:43 Kyubey: :(
21:43 Nube: at least towards the end
21:43 Nube: but the first I could do either sliders, or lower spacing
21:43 Kyubey: you can at least start it more stacked
21:43 Nube: yeah
21:43 Kyubey: well i'm going to just point things now in your irc as it usually happens in irc mods so don't mind me
21:44 Nube: ye its cool
21:45 Kyubey: 01:06:968 (2) - this note feels out of place and awkward here, your rhythm here is mostly 1/2 so sudden 1/4 sounds really strange
21:45 Nube: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4302341
21:45 Nube: good point
21:46 Nube: ill just remove that note and even the spacing on the sliders a bit
21:46 Kyubey: second 4 notes on your screen could have lower spacing a little too
21:46 Kyubey: since it doesn't look different to the next 4 notes
21:47 Nube: yeah
21:47 Kyubey: hm
21:48 Kyubey: 1/3 streams look good actually, seems like i messed up
21:48 Kyubey: 01:29:334 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - but this spacing could be lower
21:48 Kyubey: it's pretty hard to follow it
21:52 Kyubey: 02:01:477 (6,7,8,1) - isn't spacing here way too high? 02:04:959 (3,4,5,6) - this actually sounds lounder so lower spacing here looks strange compared to previous pattern
21:53 Kyubey: 02:21:203 (1,2) - i'd replace it with a slider since the speed change doesn't sound that obvious and 100s can happen
21:55 Kyubey: 02:50:928 (3) - uhhh that hitsound doesn't give the feedback at all so i don't think it's a good idea to place circles on places like this
21:57 Kyubey: 02:53:315 (1,2) - same here, slider would sound and look better
21:58 Nube: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4302447
21:58 Nube: how about this
21:58 Kyubey: interesting
21:58 Kyubey: strange shape though
21:58 Kyubey: but looks easier
21:59 Nube: yeah its a bit easier
21:59 Nube: to read at least
21:59 Nube: i went for the same thing I did later on here 04:59:622 (1,2,3,4,5,1) -
21:59 Kyubey: 03:06:951 (1,2,3) - idk why but i can't read it well, looks like 1/2 for me, maybe move them closer?
21:59 Nube: because everyone could do that part well x)
21:59 Kyubey: lol
21:59 Kyubey: thats ok
21:59 Nube: sure
22:00 Kyubey: 03:14:963 (1,2,3) - why do these end on 1/6 ticks?
22:01 Nube: I lowered spacing on the first 5 notes in the 1/3 stream like I did here 01:25:584 (6,7,8) -
22:02 Nube: because It's according to the guitar
22:02 Nube: and the sound is enlonged
22:02 Nube: I think it plays really nice
22:03 Kyubey: does it really end on 1/6? well it's not really understandable and 1/6 ticks give more spacing between them so it makes them easier
22:03 Kyubey: 03:20:417 (1,2,3,4) - btw this actually looks/ plays and sounds strange for me
22:03 Kyubey: well, i hear something you could emphasize with them but it's soo hard to notice
22:04 Kyubey: and doesn't call to be played
22:04 Kyubey: 03:32:349 (4,5,6) - i'd prefer here same rhythm as 03:33:713 (5,6) - here since it sounds better with that sound
22:06 Nube: I like that pattern tho V:
22:06 Kyubey: which one?
22:07 Kyubey: i linked few things
22:07 Nube: last one
22:07 Kyubey: ah
22:07 Kyubey: but it really sounds strange without emphasize
22:10 Nube: 02:50:928 (3) - 02:53:315 (1,2) - not sure I get the issue with these tho
22:11 Kyubey: 07:01:633 - 07:02:833 - these beats sound so empty compared to these 07:06:433 (2,4) -
22:12 Nube: basically those two beats have bells
22:12 Kyubey: well that hitnormal you used there sounds kinda quiet in that part, and there's sound you mapped with sliders before, and with sliders it sounds and looks better for me
22:12 Kyubey: yes bells
22:12 Nube: which I've lowered volume
22:12 Nube: to fit the shift in bell intensity the song has
22:13 Kyubey: but these sound kinda empty anyway, stopped these tick sounds but added in next part which sounds similar to previous
22:13 Kyubey: and bells sound kinda similar too
22:13 Nube: 07:06:433 (2) - this doesnt have a bell
22:13 Kyubey: i mean in music
22:13 Kyubey: didn't you place bells to same places
22:13 Kyubey: ?
22:14 Nube: all bells have bell hitsounds
22:14 Nube: if thats what you mean
22:14 Kyubey: aaah whatever
22:14 Kyubey: just sound kinda inconsistent for me
22:14 Kyubey: when you stopped using tick sounds on these beats
22:14 Kyubey: and due to that it sounds emptyuu
22:15 Kyubey: thats all about patterning, going to check general things now
22:15 Nube: I understand
22:17 Kyubey: how about adding M3-34 to the tags since album was released there?
22:18 Nube: oki
22:20 Kyubey: 07:38:287 - 06:34:633 - 06:32:533 - make the volume same for green and red lines there
22:21 Kyubey: and thats all
22:22 Nube: cool
22:22 Nube: for some reason I can't play this stream anymore
22:22 Kyubey: lmao
22:22 Nube: 02:56:042 (1) -
22:22 Nube: i cant fc it lol
22:22 Kyubey: isn't that the reason to make it even simplier?
22:22 Nube: i think its the lower spacing that fucks me over on the third stream
22:23 Nube: ah I think i made it better xd
22:28 Nube: now i can fc :D
22:28 Kyubey: yay
22:31 Nube: ok
22:31 Nube: lets see if I got it
22:32 Nube: updated
22:32 Kyubey: that stream looks much better
22:32 Nube: yeah
22:33 Nube: thanks for pointing it out :p
22:33 Kyubey: 02:01:477 (6,7,8,1) - you didn't say anything about it and didn't change
22:33 Nube: oh right
22:33 Nube: so what I did
22:34 Nube: was I made the other ones you mentioned a bit bigger
22:34 Nube: that had higher pitch
22:34 Kyubey: o
22:34 Kyubey: really
22:34 Nube: 02:04:959 (3,4,5) -
22:35 Kyubey: aw
22:36 Kyubey: the last two timelines, green and red ones
22:36 Kyubey: probably it will be better to have the same sampleset too
22:36 Kyubey: i don't know how does osu work with that
22:36 Nube: which one do you mean
22:36 Kyubey: 06:34:633 -
22:36 Kyubey: 06:32:533 -
22:37 Nube: oh damn
22:38 Nube: alright fixed
22:38 Kyubey: update
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Woo! You did it, buddy. Let's keep going.

I told you this map's success would be dependent heavily on hitsounding and damn if you didn't pull through.
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