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KappaPraise
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Akitoshi
eh. as u requested.

  1. Maybe I recommend you to turn off the countdown
  2. can you lower down the volume on other calm part? slidernoise and some hitsounds are pretty distracting to the music.
  3. BPM setting was slightly fast. They're getting out of the beat afterwards. I can't fix it for you sorry (blame GD requests). well gonna drop off the pattern things instead.
  4. 00:11:999 (6) - this one, how about balance them to 00:11:812 (5,1) - to make it neat-looking?
  5. 00:48:437 (1,2,3,4) - balance their distance, maybe looks better imo
  6. 00:49:575 (1,2,3) - same here, fix triangle. 00:50:086 (2) - should be same or at least almost same prev. and next. ur current one isn't same
  7. 01:13:424 (10) - x:314|y:90
  8. 01:21:674 (2,3) - can you balance them?
  9. 01:22:507 (7,8) - ^
  10. 01:58:656 (5) - move to white tick....
  11. 02:12:232 - pls fix the slider tail's snapping entire this part.
  12. 02:05:939 (2,3,4,5,6) - fix star shape. CTRL + Shift + D helps ya
  13. 02:32:731 (1,2,3,4,5) - fix star shape.
  14. 02:41:232 (1) - only this one unstacked? nej. pls stack with (2)
  15. 03:20:899 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - balance off the stream distance.
  16. 05:09:790 (2,3,4,5,6) - 05:10:456 (2,3,4,5,6) - make sure that their stream distance is same.
chucentry
HiHi

IRC mod
2015-12-05 15:20 chucentry: pass me the map
2015-12-05 15:20 WISPG_G: t/391090
2015-12-05 15:20 chucentry: i tested something
2015-12-05 15:20 chucentry: now
2015-12-05 15:22 chucentry: maybe
2015-12-05 15:22 chucentry: 00:16:469 (9) -
2015-12-05 15:23 chucentry: this in x29 y191
2015-12-05 15:24 chucentry: 00:25:617 (2,2) - i ididnt listen a triple in this part
2015-12-05 15:24 chucentry: 00:28:520 (2,2) - here too
2015-12-05 15:24 chucentry: 00:31:424 (2,2) -
2015-12-05 15:25 chucentry: 00:35:722 (2) - here too if u want to put a triple put here 00:35:898 -
2015-12-05 15:26 WISPG_G: same in other places?
2015-12-05 15:27 chucentry: no
2015-12-05 15:27 chucentry: 01:09:591 (7) - NC and perfect stack with 01:09:424 (5,6) -
2015-12-05 15:27 chucentry: 01:10:091 (1) - remove NC
2015-12-05 15:28 chucentry: 01:12:674 (6,9) - i not lister a triple
2015-12-05 15:28 chucentry: maybe m worng
2015-12-05 15:29 WISPG_G: you right
2015-12-05 15:29 chucentry: 01:14:674 (6) - remove this and add note here 01:14:674 (6) - making a triple with 01:14:758 (7,1) -
2015-12-05 15:30 WISPG_G: em
2015-12-05 15:30 chucentry: 01:19:924 (6,1,2,3,4,5) - what do you thinka bout this
2015-12-05 15:30 WISPG_G: that same time
2015-12-05 15:30 chucentry: http://puu.sh/lKpTV/f4c60b8b49.jpg
2015-12-05 15:32 chucentry: 01:21:674 (2) - remvoe this and 01:21:424 (1) - this slider start in 01:21:591 - and if u want can make a truple started here 01:21:424 - http://puu.sh/lKpZo/f116afa89b.jpg
2015-12-05 15:32 WISPG_G: mb i should change this 5 notes for reverse slider?
2015-12-05 15:33 chucentry: where ?
2015-12-05 15:33 WISPG_G: 01:20:091
2015-12-05 15:34 chucentry: if u want
2015-12-05 15:34 chucentry: http://puu.sh/lKqaG/729ac98c42.jpg ?
2015-12-05 15:36 WISPG_G: where is it?
2015-12-05 15:36 chucentry: the slider in 1:20:091
2015-12-05 15:36 chucentry: 01:32:257 (1,2,3) - change for 1 slider
2015-12-05 15:38 chucentry: 01:37:257 (1,2,3) - http://puu.sh/lKqoQ/0b1f4596e6.jpg what do you think about this=?
2015-12-05 15:40 WISPG_G: i think good
2015-12-05 15:40 WISPG_G: sounds better
2015-12-05 15:41 chucentry: 01:49:591 (1) - change it for 2 notes and 01:50:007 (3) - remove this and make the triple put a note here 01:50:174 - and replace the 01:50:091 - behind 5 and make the tpriple there
2015-12-05 15:42 WISPG_G: 1:49:591 white and blue tick or white and red?
2015-12-05 15:42 chucentry: white and red
2015-12-05 15:46 chucentry: 04:09:565 - add a note here and spin start in 04:09:649 -
2015-12-05 15:46 chucentry: http://puu.sh/lKqSq/0a39fa1b07.jpg
2015-12-05 15:46 chucentry: and the spiner finish in 04:11:232 -
2015-12-05 15:48 chucentry: 05:00:867 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - what do you think about this form http://puu.sh/lKr1b/da3aa603b0.jpg
2015-12-05 15:49 chucentry: 05:10:873 (7) - NC
2015-12-05 15:49 chucentry: 05:11:123 (1) - remove NC
2015-12-05 15:49 chucentry: 05:12:206 (14) - NC
2015-12-05 15:49 chucentry: gg
2015-12-05 15:50 WISPG_G: ok
2015-12-05 15:50 chucentry: maybe in kiai need use more volume
2015-12-05 15:50 chucentry: or in other parts use low volume of HS
2015-12-05 15:50 chucentry: i mean in kiai can use 70% like now
2015-12-05 15:50 chucentry: and the other parts use 60%
2015-12-05 15:51 chucentry: finish
2015-12-05 15:51 chucentry: good map
2015-12-05 15:51 chucentry: bro
2015-12-05 15:51 WISPG_G: at start hitsounds very quiet with 70%
2015-12-05 15:51 WISPG_G: do you think make it less?
2015-12-05 15:52 chucentry: 60 is ok
2015-12-05 15:52 WISPG_G: ok will do
2015-12-05 15:52 chucentry: cuz the kiai is when in general the strong part come
2015-12-05 15:52 chucentry: in kiai is ok 70 i guess
2015-12-05 15:52 WISPG_G: will see
2015-12-05 15:52 WISPG_G: well thats it?
2015-12-05 15:53 chucentry: ?
2015-12-05 15:53 chucentry: 70%
3xEB
nice map

Expert
use 1 bpm for all sections and change your offset, it was impossible to play and get 300's for all sections at the start
also the hitfinish sounds were ringing in my head for too long, maybe try some others


00:10:665 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -> try changing 00:10:290 (7) - to a circle and moving 00:10:665 (1) - to 00:10:477 -
00:11:999 (6,1) - maybe move the entire previous section 00:10:687 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - downwards a little since playing into NC and having a small jump+stream seems underwhelming

00:12:579 (5) -> slider too far from stream
00:17:024 (3) -> could try putting this slider below 00:16:654 (1) -

00:25:163 (9,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - maybe try making 00:24:619 (6,7) a slider and add a circle at 00:25:436 (9) - then remove 00:25:617 (2)

01:00:219 (1,2,3,4,5) - the background is too obvious to keep 00:25:617 (2,2,4) - so you could try removing them or using sliders. awkward to play(maybe because of hitsounds),try removing them here and add patterns later when it repeats
01:02:888 (1,2,3,4,5) - same as 01:00:219 (1,2,3,4,5)

01:09:424 (5,6,7) - unstacked
01:28:591 (3) - seems unnecessary overlap
02:00:277 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - seems like something is missing at 02:00:089 -
02:04:246 (1,2,3,4,5) - background so similar to 01:00:219 (1,2,3,4,5)
02:05:777 (1,2,3,4,5) - 02:06:590 - missing
02:06:915 (1,2,3,4,5) - try using 1/3 div 02:07:255 (2,3) - (add circles on red+white ticks) and again on 02:07:766 (4,5) -

03:57:065 - feels like something missing between
04:56:212 (1,2,3,4,5) - maybe use 1/3 and add circles before+after 04:56:467 (3,7) -
04:58:881 (1,2,3,4,5) - sounds awkward, same as 01:00:219 (1,2,3,4,5)
05:12:206 (14) - can add one more note to stream here
Topic Starter
KappaPraise

ebc8751 wrote:

nice map

Expert
use 1 bpm for all sections and change your offset, it was impossible to play and get 300's for all sections at the start
also the hitfinish sounds were ringing in my head for too long, maybe try some others


00:10:665 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -> try changing 00:10:290 (7) - to a circle and moving 00:10:665 (1) - to 00:10:477 -
00:11:999 (6,1) - maybe move the entire previous section 00:10:687 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - downwards a little since playing into NC and having a small jump+stream seems underwhelming

00:12:579 (5) -> slider too far from stream
00:17:024 (3) -> could try putting this slider below 00:16:654 (1) -

00:25:163 (9,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - maybe try making 00:24:619 (6,7) a slider and add a circle at 00:25:436 (9) - then remove 00:25:617 (2)

01:00:219 (1,2,3,4,5) - the background is too obvious to keep 00:25:617 (2,2,4) - so you could try removing them or using sliders. awkward to play(maybe because of hitsounds),try removing them here and add patterns later when it repeats
01:02:888 (1,2,3,4,5) - same as 01:00:219 (1,2,3,4,5)

01:09:424 (5,6,7) - unstacked
01:28:591 (3) - seems unnecessary overlap
02:00:277 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - seems like something is missing at 02:00:089 -
02:04:246 (1,2,3,4,5) - background so similar to 01:00:219 (1,2,3,4,5)
02:05:777 (1,2,3,4,5) - 02:06:590 - missing
02:06:915 (1,2,3,4,5) - try using 1/3 div 02:07:255 (2,3) - (add circles on red+white ticks) and again on 02:07:766 (4,5) -

03:57:065 - feels like something missing between
04:56:212 (1,2,3,4,5) - maybe use 1/3 and add circles before+after 04:56:467 (3,7) -
04:58:881 (1,2,3,4,5) - sounds awkward, same as 01:00:219 (1,2,3,4,5)
05:12:206 (14) - can add one more note to stream here
hitsounds hitfinish is custom and sounds like hitclap, just hitclap was busy, but i'll try change it and i cant set stable bpm at start, tempo is growing and bpm too( If you have ideas with stable bpm tell me please.
CircleChu
Russian IRC
2015-12-06 08:02 CircleChu: sup
2015-12-06 08:15 WISPG_G: ?
2015-12-06 08:15 CircleChu: still need mod?
2015-12-06 08:15 WISPG_G: yep
2015-12-06 08:15 WISPG_G: t/391090
2015-12-06 08:15 WISPG_G: ty
2015-12-06 08:15 CircleChu: let me finish some changes on my own mapset, and i`ll try to help u
2015-12-06 08:16 CircleChu: IRC mod sounds fine for u?
2015-12-06 08:16 WISPG_G: no problem i playing here
2015-12-06 08:16 WISPG_G: IRC - ?
2015-12-06 08:16 CircleChu: like in chat
2015-12-06 08:16 CircleChu: and then just post logs in thread
2015-12-06 08:16 WISPG_G: y
2015-12-06 08:17 WISPG_G: ye
2015-12-06 08:17 WISPG_G: ok
2015-12-06 08:17 WISPG_G: i did it with i guy yestarday
2015-12-06 08:17 WISPG_G: 1 guy*
2015-12-06 08:17 CircleChu: k
2015-12-06 08:42 WISPG_G: Are you Ukrain?
2015-12-06 08:42 WISPG_G: Ukraine*
2015-12-06 08:42 CircleChu: yup
2015-12-06 08:42 WISPG_G: Speak rus?
2015-12-06 08:42 CircleChu: чуток
2015-12-06 08:42 WISPG_G: Вот оно как
2015-12-06 08:43 WISPG_G: Тебе еще долго?
2015-12-06 08:43 CircleChu: да нет наверное
2015-12-06 08:44 WISPG_G: IRC конечно хорошо, но вряд ли кому то понравится смотреть пост на русском)
2015-12-06 08:44 CircleChu: почему?
2015-12-06 08:45 WISPG_G: Ну в основном там на анлийском все пишут
2015-12-06 08:45 CircleChu: пишут на том, который понимают
2015-12-06 08:45 CircleChu: а кто это будет читать, кроме тебя
2015-12-06 08:45 CircleChu: это никого не волнует)
2015-12-06 08:46 WISPG_G: Понятно
2015-12-06 08:46 WISPG_G: Как вообще дела на Украине? Я за всей этой бредней не слежу
2015-12-06 08:46 CircleChu: я в Польще живу, не вникаю особо
2015-12-06 08:47 WISPG_G: Ммм окей
2015-12-06 08:47 WISPG_G: Меня в моей карту волнует скачущий бпм
2015-12-06 08:48 WISPG_G: Ты с этим помощь сможешь?
2015-12-06 08:48 CircleChu: да, я уже видел пробои в тайминге
2015-12-06 08:48 CircleChu: по этому и решил помочь
2015-12-06 08:49 WISPG_G: То есть уже приглядывался
2015-12-06 08:49 WISPG_G: Как тебе карта в целом?
2015-12-06 08:50 WISPG_G: Ладно пожалуй не буду тебя отвлекать, доделай там свое напишешь потом
2015-12-06 08:50 CircleChu: больше всего не понравились моменты, когда кликабельные тики замаплены концовками слайдеров
2015-12-06 08:50 CircleChu: либо пропущеные биты в музыке
2015-12-06 08:51 CircleChu: тоже не красиво получалось
2015-12-06 08:52 WISPG_G: Разберемся главное со своим разберись
2015-12-06 08:58 CircleChu: можешь кстати и мою карту попытатся замодить
2015-12-06 08:58 WISPG_G: Я этим еще не занимался, но попробую может после
2015-12-06 09:00 CircleChu: ну поехали
2015-12-06 09:00 WISPG_G: Я там часто презаливаю ты не забыл обновить?
2015-12-06 09:00 CircleChu: у меня последняя версия
2015-12-06 09:01 WISPG_G: Окей
2015-12-06 09:01 CircleChu: в первой тайминг секции
2015-12-06 09:01 WISPG_G: Не знаю, может попробуем в скайпе переговариваться?
2015-12-06 09:01 CircleChu: выстави оффсет 185
2015-12-06 09:01 CircleChu: мне так удобнее
2015-12-06 09:01 CircleChu: +сосед спит
2015-12-06 09:01 WISPG_G: Окей
2015-12-06 09:02 WISPG_G: Там в первых 4-ех секциях можно установить один стабильный бпм?
2015-12-06 09:02 WISPG_G: Или он все таки нарастает
2015-12-06 09:03 CircleChu: 3 4 точно нарастают
2015-12-06 09:05 CircleChu: то что ты с киаи наделал
2015-12-06 09:05 CircleChu: это вообще бред
2015-12-06 09:06 WISPG_G: То что каждый пару секунд начинается по новой?
2015-12-06 09:07 CircleChu: там стабильный бмп
2015-12-06 09:07 CircleChu: ...
2015-12-06 09:07 WISPG_G: Где
2015-12-06 09:07 CircleChu: в киаи
2015-12-06 09:07 CircleChu: никаких не 369)
2015-12-06 09:08 WISPG_G: Стабильно 118 идет?
2015-12-06 09:08 CircleChu: на такие 02:10:956 (1) - моменты отдельный тайминг не делают
2015-12-06 09:08 CircleChu: нет, там стабильно 180
2015-12-06 09:10 WISPG_G: Я что то не ощущаю 180
2015-12-06 09:11 WISPG_G: Там один 180 идет или расставлять в нескольких местах тайминг надо?
2015-12-06 09:11 CircleChu: нет
2015-12-06 09:11 CircleChu: просто на весь киаи 180
2015-12-06 09:11 CircleChu: выстави 180 на оффсет 110924
2015-12-06 09:11 CircleChu: и попробуть тыкать объекты
2015-12-06 09:12 CircleChu: желательно на красные и белые тики
2015-12-06 09:12 CircleChu: а все остальные пока удали
2015-12-06 09:12 CircleChu: в том же киаи
2015-12-06 09:12 WISPG_G: Стоп, ты шас все это говоришь про второй киаи?
2015-12-06 09:13 CircleChu: да
2015-12-06 09:13 WISPG_G: А первый что как было оставить?
2015-12-06 09:13 CircleChu: нет
2015-12-06 09:13 CircleChu: с первым таже история
2015-12-06 09:13 CircleChu: просто мне цифра 2 всегда больше нравилась
2015-12-06 09:16 CircleChu: получилось?
2015-12-06 09:16 WISPG_G: Если по нотам, то нормально
2015-12-06 09:16 WISPG_G: А по ментроному не ощущается
2015-12-06 09:16 CircleChu: плохо слушаешь значит
2015-12-06 09:17 WISPG_G: Или может просто не то слушаю
2015-12-06 09:17 WISPG_G: Вопрос еще
2015-12-06 09:17 CircleChu: скорее всего
2015-12-06 09:17 WISPG_G: Может мне скорость слайдеров повысить, чтобы они немного длинней Были?
2015-12-06 09:17 WISPG_G: А то 1,40 короткие мне кажется
2015-12-06 09:18 CircleChu: ну если хочешь, можешь повысить
2015-12-06 09:18 CircleChu: это тебе решать
2015-12-06 09:18 CircleChu: кажутся короткими? - делай больше
2015-12-06 09:18 CircleChu: не так то и трудно )
2015-12-06 09:19 WISPG_G: 02:04:257 (1,2,3) -
2015-12-06 09:20 WISPG_G: Мне кажется между ними что все таки нужно
2015-12-06 09:20 WISPG_G: поставить
2015-12-06 09:20 WISPG_G: На красные и белые тики
2015-12-06 09:26 WISPG_G: Ты хотя бы здесь?
2015-12-06 09:27 CircleChu: я щас сделаю тебе 100% тайминг
2015-12-06 09:27 CircleChu: кину кодом
2015-12-06 09:28 WISPG_G: Ок
2015-12-06 09:37 CircleChu: http://puu.sh/lLckq/f0b72b2e1f.txt
2015-12-06 09:37 WISPG_G: А что мне с этим собственно делать?)
2015-12-06 09:38 CircleChu: cоздай новую дифу
2015-12-06 09:38 CircleChu: а хотя нет
2015-12-06 09:38 CircleChu: открой свою
2015-12-06 09:38 CircleChu: выбери "File"
2015-12-06 09:38 CircleChu: Open.osu in Notepad
2015-12-06 09:38 CircleChu: удали там всё и вставь текст
2015-12-06 09:39 CircleChu: который я тебе скинул
2015-12-06 09:39 WISPG_G: Все или достаточно раздела [TimingPoints]?
2015-12-06 09:39 CircleChu: можешь всё
2015-12-06 09:40 CircleChu: сохроняй и перезаходи в редактор
2015-12-06 09:40 WISPG_G: А когда редкатор просит сохранить изменения отказываться?
2015-12-06 09:41 CircleChu: сохранять естесвенно
2015-12-06 09:41 CircleChu: ты же изменил код
2015-12-06 09:42 WISPG_G: Я сохранил в блакноте, сохранил в редакторе перезапустил и остались старые тайминги
2015-12-06 09:42 WISPG_G: Наверно все таки сохранять только блокнот надо
2015-12-06 09:42 WISPG_G: А редктор оставить?
2015-12-06 09:42 CircleChu: хм
2015-12-06 09:42 CircleChu: наверно :D
2015-12-06 09:43 WISPG_G: На самом деле все так просто?
2015-12-06 09:43 WISPG_G: Всего 6 тайминг поинтов?
2015-12-06 09:43 WISPG_G: Мде
2015-12-06 09:43 CircleChu: 6 можешь удалить
2015-12-06 09:43 CircleChu: он лишний
2015-12-06 09:43 CircleChu: я забыл
2015-12-06 09:43 WISPG_G: Хоршо
2015-12-06 09:43 WISPG_G: Я подстрою все под новый тайминг и скину тебе
2015-12-06 09:44 CircleChu: на счёт твое мапинга
2015-12-06 09:44 CircleChu: дам несколько советов
2015-12-06 09:44 WISPG_G: Слушаю
2015-12-06 09:44 CircleChu: 00:10:497 (1) - вот такие дела не годятся)
2015-12-06 09:45 CircleChu: белый тик - нужно кликать
2015-12-06 09:45 CircleChu: 00:22:586 (1) - слайдер тут лишний
2015-12-06 09:46 WISPG_G: ты имеешь ввиду при любых раскладых белый тик всегда кликается?
2015-12-06 09:46 WISPG_G: Эм на 22:586 спинер
2015-12-06 09:46 CircleChu: не при любых, но в большинстве раз - да
2015-12-06 09:47 CircleChu: да, точно, спинер
2015-12-06 09:47 CircleChu: я не спал 2 дня
2015-12-06 09:47 CircleChu: бывает)
2015-12-06 09:47 CircleChu: этот тоже 00:34:189 (1) - лишний
2015-12-06 09:47 CircleChu: 00:44:085 (9) - вот тут можешь вставить длинный слайдер, медленный
2015-12-06 09:48 CircleChu: 00:44:789 - что бы тут заканчивался
2015-12-06 09:49 CircleChu: 01:00:235 (1) - в этом моменте включи себе 0.50х скорость и послушай музыку
2015-12-06 09:49 CircleChu: вслушайся в барабаны на заднём плане
2015-12-06 09:50 WISPG_G: Да-да я уже в всех подобных местах расставил ноты на красные и белые тики
2015-12-06 09:50 CircleChu: яя о том, что ты там мог вставить тройки
2015-12-06 09:50 CircleChu: на подобии стримов
2015-12-06 09:50 WISPG_G: Тройки? Я слышу только через 1 тик
2015-12-06 09:53 CircleChu: http://puu.sh/lLcVg/791dbcc43f.jpg вот это я имел ввиду
2015-12-06 09:53 CircleChu: первые 3 пример (тройка)
2015-12-06 09:54 CircleChu: 3 по три
2015-12-06 09:55 WISPG_G: Как бы тебе скрин скниуть?
2015-12-06 11:00 WISPG_G: Ты внезапно пропал куда то?
2015-12-06 11:00 CircleChu: ?
2015-12-06 11:00 WISPG_G: Ну ты написал сообщение и дальше на 1 час замолчал
2015-12-06 11:01 CircleChu: о?
2015-12-06 11:01 CircleChu: ну я думал всё
2015-12-06 11:01 WISPG_G: Ну написал бы, что это все
2015-12-06 11:01 WISPG_G: )
2015-12-06 11:02 WISPG_G: Я почти закончил выравнивать ноты
2015-12-06 11:02 WISPG_G: Отпишись кстати в моей теме
2015-12-06 11:24 WISPG_G: Готово
2015-12-06 11:24 CircleChu: а что отписать то?
2015-12-06 11:25 WISPG_G: Что бы не мучаться со всем этим текстом напиши пару любых фиксов
2015-12-06 11:25 CircleChu: да ладно, просто закину весь лог
2015-12-06 11:25 CircleChu: )
riffy
We dd a quick check. Nothing really outstanding, just DS/minor rhythm fixes.

IRC log (Russian)
22:07 WISPG_G: С возвращением)
22:07 Bakari: Спасибо :)
22:08 WISPG_G: Позволь спросить, ты модишь в каком направлении? Все целиком или какой-то отдельный аспект
22:09 Bakari: Все сразу
22:09 WISPG_G: Просто Мне такие попадались, которые просто уберут пару нот или переместят и готово, когда моя проблема состоит в бпм)
22:13 Bakari: А что там с БПМ?
22:13 WISPG_G: Щас с бпм все в норме благодаря одному человеку, он меня выручил
22:14 WISPG_G: Просто у меня там был стабильный бпм 180, а местами во время киаи он по 10 раз скакал 118-369
22:14 WISPG_G: Мне он указал, что там везде 180 ._.
22:15 Bakari: Cейчас пробегусь, покидаю все, что попадется
22:16 Bakari: Исполнитель/название из какого источника? Есть что-то, что подтвердит правильность?
22:17 Bakari: Вот тут 00:46:902 {46902} - уровни громкости друг другу противоречат
22:18 WISPG_G: Источник вот http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UPCLR8-Aeo
22:18 Bakari: Для чего в сторибоарде прописан хитсаунд? (Sample,2259,0,"normal-hitnormal1.wav",70)
22:20 WISPG_G: Где?
22:20 Bakari: Открой свой .osu
22:20 Bakari: В поле Events
22:20 Bakari: Файл 1soft-hitwhistle4.wav совсем не исп-ся.
22:21 WISPG_G: Да, это был один из вариантов, он не подошел и забыл удалить
22:22 Bakari: Придется тебе 3 секунды где-то еще замапать
22:22 WISPG_G: А на чет этого я не вкурсе Sample,2259,0,"normal-hitnormal1.wav",70
22:22 Bakari: Сайт показывает, что чистого дрейн тайма 4:57,а этого мало.
22:22 Bakari: Просто убери строчку из кода и сохрани осу
22:22 WISPG_G: Все таки могут придраться из-за 4:57?
22:22 Bakari: Ага, могут. И так с шести недавно до пяти сбросили.
22:23 WISPG_G: Не проблема найдем где
22:23 Bakari: 00:17:768 (3,4,1) - после резкого джампа спейсинг сжимается до х0.8
22:23 Bakari: Играется очень неестественно
22:24 WISPG_G: Не подскажешь как побыстрому можно скриншот выслать?
22:24 Bakari: 00:22:957 (3,4,1) - после джампов игроку придется замедлять курсор в два раза практически
22:24 Bakari: Shift+F12
22:25 WISPG_G: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4085434
22:25 WISPG_G: так подойдет?
22:25 Bakari: 00:44:085 (9) - давай поинтереснее попробуем? http://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/XRUt0C7m.png
22:25 Bakari: Они все такие однотипные
22:26 Bakari: 00:50:568 (3,1) - я понимаю, что спейсинг тут не получится не испортить. давай просто стакнем эти два объекта
22:26 WISPG_G: Да я как раз хотел что со слйдерами сделать, но у меня плохо получается придавать им форму
22:27 Bakari: 01:00:068 - явно что-то пропало
22:27 Bakari: Паттерны сами по себе неплохие, но когда между ними переходы типа 01:03:901 (7,1) -
22:27 Bakari: получается, что курсор то тормозит, то разгоняется
22:27 Bakari: И какой-то связи с музыкой нет. Играется рвано
22:28 Bakari: Попробуй их соединять красиво, чтоб было ощущение цельности
22:28 Bakari: 01:09:568 (3,4,5) - спейсинг очень странный. читается как будто там 1/4
22:29 WISPG_G: Скажи плиз значение слова паттерн)
22:29 Bakari: кусок карты/фрагмент/узор
22:30 WISPG_G: 01:09:568 (3) - тут я на сколько помню у меня был реверс слайдер по моему
22:30 WISPG_G: кто то посоветовал мне так сделать
22:30 Bakari: 01:15:568 (6) - 1/2 слайдер и серкл сработают лучше. Конец слайдера пассивен, а нужно сделать так, чтоб игрок мог что-то там нажать. http://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/qIKCxu1u.png
22:31 Bakari: 01:10:068 (4) - четверку просто поставь между двумя объектами
22:32 Bakari: 01:20:901 (10,1) - и опять спейсинг почему-то стал меньше единицы. После слайдера это считается замедлением
22:33 Bakari: При спейсинге х1.0 курсор двигается так же, как он ведет себя при прохождение слайдера
22:33 Bakari: Если цифра спейсинга меньше - замедление
22:33 Bakari: Больше - ускорение
22:34 WISPG_G: Хм
22:34 Bakari: 01:26:568 - вот тут опять слайдер сократить в половину, а на белый тик кружок упихать
22:34 Bakari: 01:27:318 (6) - куда-то не туда он поставился. Послушай
22:35 Bakari: Дальше идут однотипные ошибки такого же типа. Спейинг/неаккуратности
22:35 WISPG_G: 01:26:235 (4) - здесь после слайдера ничего добавить не надо?
22:35 Bakari: Не думаю, что тебе нужен QAT чтобы сесть и все их выловить.
22:36 Bakari: Кружок после слайдера, да

Not bad, keep it up!


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Best of luck!
Racy
I think your map is Perpectly

but junp is very crezy .. -_-

00:46:902 - 01:06:568

01:50:901 - 02:10:568

02:54:901 - 03:14:568

04:42:901 - 05:07:901

Real..crezy jump ................xd
Misure
as requested in-game :D
[Expert]
  • some similar problem I think I'll point out only once :P
  1. the big impression for me after playing is, this map is sort of monotony, maybe mainly because of the music itself.
    But I think you you can still use different hitsounds to show the rhythm for the similar part.
  2. 00:02:997 (6,1) - kinda close. Maybe two NC to make a jump is essential for this part.
  3. 00:02:435 (4,5,6) - 00:02:997 (6) - 252|240 flow better imo.
  4. 00:03:185 (1,2,3,4,5) - seems you set stream by youself... um kinda untidy, have a try to use 'convert slider to stream' function in 'compose'
  5. 00:03:935 (6,7,1) - keep DS, at least 7-1 should be farther than 6-7, btw 00:04:310 (7,1) - no overlap
  6. 00:13:667 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - and 00:16:631 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - why not the same DS :?
  7. 00:39:860 (1,2,3,4) - maybe blanket better for two sliders
  8. 00:43:909 (8,9) - farther plz
  9. 00:47:902 (3,1) - ^ or stack completely
  10. 00:49:568 (1) - place it on top-left not tope-right to have a better flow
  11. 01:00:068 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the same rhythm like previous ones better for them.
  12. 01:01:735 (1,2,3,4,5) - not a five-pointed star???
  13. 01:02:901 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^ these are not tidy either. Try to use some regular pattern like triangle or some thing.
  14. 01:08:068 - make it silencer
  15. 01:10:901 - NC set on long-white-line is enough
  16. 01:17:235 - NC here, and // 01:17:235 - 01:17:401 - // 01:17:568 - 01:17:735 - // 01:17:901 - 01:18:068 - // 01:18:235 - 01:18:401 - // 01:18:568 - 01:18:735 - every two is a couple so use pattern to show that.
  17. 02:15:568 (5,1,2,3) - ^
  18. 01:21:901 (4,6) - blanket
  19. 01:23:735 - terrible to miss beat here
  20. 03:57:318 (6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,6) - this stream is so sudden
  21. 04:38:901 - make a slider form 04:38:901 - to 04:39:901 -
  22. well the other things I want to say are similar to they
Nothing else, good luck! :)
Ambu5h
болтовня
07:33 freebird42: привет
07:33 freebird42: у тебя есть время разобрать твою мапу birthtight?
07:34 WISPG_G: наверно есть
07:34 WISPG_G: подожди секунду
07:34 freebird42: хорошо
07:39 WISPG_G: окей я готов
07:39 freebird42: хорошо
07:39 freebird42: первым делом
07:40 freebird42: 00:12:210 - эта красная таймсекция поставлена неправильно, из-за чего у тебя ноты не попадают в ритм
07:40 freebird42: она должна стоять здесь 00:12:185 -
07:40 freebird42: я серьезно, поменяй и сам услышишь
07:41 freebird42: соответственно красные секции после нее тоже придется сдвинуть, но это нестрашно, всего-то подвинешь фигурки на тики влево
07:41 freebird42: также если у твоей мапы нет и не будет сториборда лучч=ше отключи widescreen support в song setup
07:41 freebird42: во кладке design
07:41 freebird42: это мелочи но важные
07:41 freebird42: теперь о самой мапе
07:42 WISPG_G: Он отклчюен
07:42 freebird42: хм, у меня почему-то нет
07:42 freebird42: ладно, это не имеет значения
07:43 freebird42: главное перетащи красные секции левее
07:43 WISPG_G: уже сделал
07:44 freebird42: можешь обновить мапу?
07:44 WISPG_G: Выгружаю
07:45 WISPG_G: Готово
07:46 freebird42: гораздо лучше
07:46 freebird42: вот только ты упустил эту секцию 00:24:069 -
07:46 freebird42: ноты опять не по таймингу
07:46 freebird42: но забей, потом поправишь
07:46 freebird42: все таки о фигурах
07:47 freebird42: 00:25:514 (1,2,3,4) -
07:47 freebird42: во этот момент
07:47 freebird42: предлагаю отодвинуть 2, 3 и 4 подальше от 1
07:48 freebird42: 1 здесь сильная нота, а 2, 3 4 просто поддерживают ритм, поэтому между 1 и тремя другими нотами спейсинг должен быть больше чем между 2,3, 4
07:48 WISPG_G: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4093823 так?
07:50 freebird42: скорее так http://puu.sh/lNy5J/ccd35cb93e.jpg
07:50 freebird42: хотя может и нет
07:50 freebird42: я хочу сказать только что между 1 и 2,3,4 спейсинг должен быть больше чем между тремя нотами
07:50 freebird42: типа здесь паттрен состоит не из 4 нот, а из 3 за счет разного спейсинга
07:51 freebird42: с этими нотами та же история, раскидай 1 и три другие в разные части экрана
07:51 WISPG_G: Окей я тебя понял
07:51 freebird42: веселее будет джампить
07:51 freebird42: 00:28:406 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - то же самое
07:51 freebird42: да, сразу оговорюсь
07:51 freebird42: я не говорю тебе как надо делать
07:51 freebird42: я пытаюсь выдать тебе только идеи
07:52 freebird42: чтобы ты их учел и придумал что-то лучше
07:52 freebird42: ты можешь легко отказаться если что
07:52 WISPG_G: А, я пока что согласен с твоими идеями
07:52 freebird42: ладно, продолжим
07:52 WISPG_G: Я и сам хотел подобное сделать, но не был уверен
07:52 WISPG_G: Ждал пока кто то посоветует
07:52 freebird42: кстати кто твой любимый мапер?
07:53 WISPG_G: Таковых пока нет
07:53 WISPG_G: Я всего месяц в осу
07:53 WISPG_G: Еще не приглядывался никто
07:53 freebird42: мне просто интересно ты пытался кого-то копировать или мапал сам как мапается?
07:54 freebird42: за месяц 575 пп очень сильный результат
07:54 WISPG_G: Я много смотрел на разные работы и накапливал опыт
07:54 freebird42: по твоей мапе это вижно
07:54 freebird42: *видно
07:55 freebird42: единственное что джампы выглядят немного неуклюже
07:55 freebird42: тебе стоит поработать над этим
07:55 WISPG_G: Что на счет этих 00:34:189 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
07:56 freebird42: вообще они выглядят неплохо, стандартный паттерн я бы сказал
07:56 freebird42: но есть одно но
07:56 freebird42: как и раньше первую ноту тебе надо отделить
07:56 freebird42: а значит надо подумать как рассавить 3 оставшиеся
07:58 WISPG_G: Можно просто 3 пододвинуть по логике 1 отделена дальше и сбланасированы джампы между 2 3 4
07:58 WISPG_G: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4093846
07:58 freebird42: нет, не так
07:58 freebird42: у тебя 3 слишком близко к 1
07:58 freebird42: понимаешь, 2,3,4 должны быть близко друг к другу
07:58 freebird42: но далеко от 1
07:59 freebird42: суть в том чтобы выделить сильную ноту 1
07:59 WISPG_G: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4093851
07:59 freebird42: три другие должны быть +- одинаково далеко от нее и близко друг к дуруг
07:59 freebird42: это слишко далеко
08:00 WISPG_G: Все 3 ноты должны быть примерно одинаково удалены от 1?
08:00 freebird42: типа такого http://puu.sh/lNyDA/d2ade171c6.jpg
08:00 freebird42: неидеально, но в плане спейсинга как на скрине
08:01 freebird42: да
08:01 freebird42: делать треугольник из 2,3,4 слишком примитивно, но я пока ничего лучше придумать не могу
08:01 freebird42: посмотри другие мапы, наверняка найдешь что-нибудь
08:03 freebird42: хотя погоди, дай немного времени
08:03 freebird42: у меня такое чувство что неверный тайминг меня сбивает
08:05 freebird42: окей, поправил тайминг, можно модить
08:05 freebird42: начнем отсбда на самом деле 00:24:947 -
08:05 freebird42: вместо этой ноты на мой взгляд должен быть слайдер который следует после нее
08:06 WISPG_G: То есть модить ты начинаешь только щас?)
08:06 freebird42: в принципе да
08:06 freebird42: до этого была разминка
08:06 WISPG_G: А может лучше слайдер вместо это ноты 00:24:766 (7) -
08:06 WISPG_G: Под хитсаунд мне кажется слайдер в самый раз будет
08:06 freebird42: суть в том, что вот тут 00:25:309 - отчетливо слышен звук и его надо нажать, а когда здесь заканчивается слайдер это не есть хорошо
08:07 freebird42: нет, не надо
08:07 freebird42: после стрима пару джампов + слайдер лучше будет имхо
08:08 freebird42: как-то так http://puu.sh/lNyZz/293b3d8f29.jpg
08:08 freebird42: без флоу, только фигуру на скрине
08:08 freebird42: *фигуры
08:09 freebird42: соттветственно тебе лучше поменять все моменты подобным образом где слышен этот звук 00:25:309 -
08:10 freebird42: тогда нота которая стоит на 00:25:309 - и станет той самой сильной нотой от которой надо отдалить три других джампа
08:10 freebird42: http://puu.sh/lNz7M/cf675b9013.jpg как-то так
08:11 freebird42: а затем сильной нотой будет эта 00:26:031 (5) -
08:11 freebird42: нутыпонел
08:12 freebird42: ах да 00:25:489 (2,3,4,5) - между 2,3,4 и 5 спейсинг тоже должен быть примерно такой же как и раньше между 1 и 2,3,4
08:12 WISPG_G: Угу
08:13 WISPG_G: Стоит ли на эту сильную ноту NC ставить? 00:25:309 (9) -
08:13 freebird42: офк
08:13 freebird42: сильная нота почти всегда нью комбо
08:13 WISPG_G: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4093926
08:14 WISPG_G: У меня примерно так вышло
08:15 freebird42: у тебя 5 должно быть нью комбо
08:15 freebird42: и еще лучше не вправо его куда-нибудь, а либо вниз либо примерно туда же где 1 стояла
08:15 freebird42: хотя
08:15 WISPG_G: 00:26:754 (5) - а это не NC?
08:15 freebird42: мапай как можешь, если что я потом напишу если где-то флоу будет не очень
08:16 freebird42: нет
08:16 freebird42: в общем с этим слайдером 00:28:019 (8) - та же история
08:17 WISPG_G: Я уже везде в жтой секции слайдеры пофиксил
08:17 freebird42: найс
08:18 freebird42: секунду, снова надо тайминг пофиксить
08:18 freebird42: 00:35:635 - вот здесь если что
08:18 freebird42: тебе это тоже нужно сделать
08:18 WISPG_G: Сдвинуть на белый тик?
08:19 freebird42: да
08:19 freebird42: тебе их все надо сдвинуть ненамного влево
08:19 freebird42: ну и ноты так же претащить
08:20 WISPG_G: Надеюсь когда киаи стартует там тайминг норм?
08:20 WISPG_G: Отуда до конца песни уже идет он
08:20 WISPG_G: Один тайминг
08:21 freebird42: не норм
08:21 freebird42: если ты сдвинул предыдущий секции, то в последующих тайминг тоже нарушится хоть ты тресни
08:21 freebird42: но это небольшая беда
08:22 freebird42: опять же сдвигаешь секцию, сдивигаешь ноты
08:22 freebird42: по крайней мере мапать заново не придется
08:23 freebird42: теперь вот этот момент 00:37:106 -
08:24 WISPG_G: Секунду я посчитаю на сколько там сдвигается, чтобы все сразу тайминги сдвинуть
08:24 freebird42: опять же тут лично я слышу звук который надо нажать и здесь же заканчивается слайдер
08:24 freebird42: все тайминг секции и ноты сдигаются влево до первого же тика
08:25 WISPG_G: Я знаю просто можно одним разом все секции сдвинуть на 1 оффсет
08:26 freebird42: пока напишу, что тут можно сделать что-то такое http://puu.sh/lNzYI/0dc578df4a.jpg - попробуй отпиши если понравится или нет
08:27 freebird42: тут в смысле вот тут 00:37:018 -
08:27 WISPG_G: Блин всеравно не ровно на тиках стоят опять сдвигать вручную прийдется все Т_Т
08:27 WISPG_G: Ладно продолжим
08:29 freebird42: ты попробовал то, что на скриншоте?
08:30 WISPG_G: У меня тут своя идея возникла секунду
08:31 freebird42: заксринь ее, я тоже хочу посмотреть
08:31 WISPG_G: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4093985
08:31 WISPG_G: Как тебе такой варинт
08:31 WISPG_G: Бещ учета расстановки
08:33 WISPG_G: Если добавить на концы слайдеров хитсаунд hitfinish вучит вроде бы приемлемо
08:34 freebird42: да, неплохо
08:34 freebird42: но слайдеру получаются длинные, так что тебе надо поработать над ними, чтобы было хорошее флоу
08:35 freebird42: ну тогда остальные моменты поменяй в том де стиле
08:35 WISPG_G: Можно с 1,5 к примеру до 1 уменьшить или хотя бы 1,2 скорость
08:35 freebird42: да, тоже можно
08:36 freebird42: 00:41:595 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - не уверен, что здесь нужна настолько длинная серия джампов
08:36 freebird42: разбавь ее какими нибудь быстрыми слайдерами
08:37 freebird42: а если все же оставишь, то тут надо поработать над расстановкой, так как джампы выглядят слишком рандомно
08:37 freebird42: хотя бы в плане спейсинга
08:37 freebird42: то ноты близко друг к другу
08:37 freebird42: а то далеко
08:38 freebird42: ну и этот слайдер 00:44:060 (9) - лично у меня после всех перетаскиваний нуждается в удлинении, не знаю, как там у тебя правда
08:38 WISPG_G: Я такую сурию джампов взял с одной карты
08:38 freebird42: че за карта?
08:39 *WISPG_G is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/651744 supercell - Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari [Celestial]]
08:39 WISPG_G: где то здесь я видел подобное
08:40 freebird42: хм, у меня ее нет
08:40 freebird42: ну да ладно
08:40 freebird42: да, если что опять же, все что я пишу - мое мнение, перед тем как что-то менять поспращивай еще людей, пока просто возьми на заметку
08:41 WISPG_G: Хотя я щас еще раз взглянул там это более закономерно делается
08:41 WISPG_G: И не так далеко
08:41 WISPG_G: Знаешь мне просто не очен удобно работать так у меня экран не широкоформатный и все вглядит несколько по другому
08:42 freebird42: да я тоже с ноута сижу
08:42 WISPG_G: Все мапперы я заметил ореентируются именно на широкий формат
08:42 freebird42: на шатающемся столике
08:42 WISPG_G: Тк у меня сториборды иногда сдивинуты
08:42 freebird42: а ты не в 16:9 играешь?
08:42 freebird42: просто это стандарт
08:42 WISPG_G: 5:4
08:42 freebird42: ааааа
08:42 freebird42: ну тогда понятно
08:43 freebird42: ну, все же стандарт есть стандарт
08:43 freebird42: если тебя бесит сдвинутые сториборды - затемняй мапу на 100%
08:43 WISPG_G: Я и так затемняю
08:43 WISPG_G: Вчера вообще решил полностью отключать интерфейс
08:44 freebird42: а пока как насчет добавить спинер сюда 00:45:645 - 00:46:701 -
08:44 WISPG_G: Тк как меня постоянно мучает полоска хп
08:44 freebird42: тоже грамотно
08:44 freebird42: меньше элементов - меньше лагов
08:44 freebird42: и отвлекающей фигни
08:44 WISPG_G: Я бы добавил как здесь 04:41:381 (1) - но пауза слишком короткая выйдет
08:44 WISPG_G: А у меня и так маловато пауз
08:45 freebird42: это 5 звездочная мапа, тут другие правила пауз
08:45 freebird42: у меня где-то была 5 стар мапа длиной тоже в районе 5 минут вообще без пауз
08:45 freebird42: ну и бпм где-то 190
08:45 freebird42: играется просто супер
08:45 WISPG_G: не хило
08:45 freebird42: ранкнутая кстати
08:46 WISPG_G: А у моей карты какие шансы апрувнуться?)
08:46 freebird42: те кто играют 5 стар мапы им хватает и пауз длиной 1-3 секунды я думаю
08:46 freebird42: лишь бы мышь, перо поудобнее ухватить и левую руку поправить
08:46 freebird42: я думаю у твоей мапы неплохие шансы
08:46 freebird42: раз уж сам Бакари взялся ее модить
08:47 freebird42: лан, мне снова надо сдвинуть секцию и ноты
08:47 freebird42: это займет какое-то время, ибо я все делаю вручную
08:47 WISPG_G: Может я выгружу на серв то что я сделал?
08:47 freebird42: как хочешь
08:48 freebird42: когда я передвину могу заодно глянуть что ты успел изменить
08:48 WISPG_G: Хотя нет я же ноты еще на тики не сдвинул
08:48 freebird42: да, первым делом все же тайминг
08:48 freebird42: без него твою мапу абсолютно точно никто не апрувнет
08:48 WISPG_G: Меня больше всего бесит сдвигать ноты на тики, которые всего 1 миллиметр не попадают
08:49 freebird42: что поделать
08:50 freebird42: я тоже этим занимаюсь :D
08:50 WISPG_G: дать нормальный мозг Аи, чтобы функция "Подогнать ноты текущей секции" работала
08:50 WISPG_G: А не просто табличку показывал и ты жал Да
08:51 freebird42: невозможно
08:51 freebird42: а хотя нет, взможно
08:51 freebird42: я немного о другом подумал
08:51 freebird42: хотя аимод все равно хз куда именно ты хочешь подвинуть ноты, так что это трудно реализовать
08:52 WISPG_G: можно было бы сделать так, чтобы аимод запоминал на каких тиках расположены ноты
08:52 WISPG_G: они же не спроста красные белые синие и тд
08:53 freebird42: он так и делает
08:53 freebird42: он же указывает тебе когда ноты не на тиках
08:54 WISPG_G: указывает, а сдвинуть не может
08:54 WISPG_G: он не тики запоминает
08:54 WISPG_G: он фиксирует расстояние между ними
08:54 WISPG_G: и затем сдивгает
08:54 freebird42: так он не знает куда ты хочешь их сдвинуть
08:54 WISPG_G: сдвинуть на тики на которых они были хотя бы и ровно
08:55 WISPG_G: а в случае чего бы легко можем все ноты сдвинуть на лишний тик в случае чего
08:55 freebird42: а вдруг тебе надо сдвинуть на 2 тика?
08:55 WISPG_G: это все очень сложно
08:55 WISPG_G: сложнее чем приколы вконтакте
08:55 freebird42: то-то и оно
08:55 freebird42: аимод не мапер
08:56 freebird42: так что делать все придется нам, своими руками
08:56 WISPG_G: я учусь на программиста у меня есть примерное представления, что такое компьютер и как он мыслит
08:56 WISPG_G: хотя он не мыслит он следует алгоритму, который мы же програмируем
08:57 freebird42: мапинг - процесс творческий и я сомневаюсь что он поддается алгоритмизации
08:57 WISPG_G: и должен сказать компьютер как ребенок пока ему пальцем точно не уткнешь, он правильно нчиего не сделает)
08:58 WISPG_G: но в нашем случае речь идет об прямых вычислениях
08:58 freebird42: теоретически да
08:58 freebird42: аимод может что-то сам начать двигать
08:59 freebird42: но в конечном итоге может оказаться не так как хотел мапер и все придется исправлять по новой
08:59 WISPG_G: мне повезло
09:00 WISPG_G: все ноты абсолютно одинаково были удалены от тиков
09:00 WISPG_G: я выделил все и сдвинул на миллметр
09:00 WISPG_G: теперь все на тиках должно быть
09:00 freebird42: найс, я не такой прокаченный так что все еще сдвигаю
09:00 WISPG_G: я щас на серв залью скачаешь
09:01 freebird42: эх, возникают правда новые проблемы
09:01 WISPG_G: какие?
09:02 freebird42: http://puu.sh/lNBIl/597cc71652.jpg сдвинули слайдер к белому тику, а зеленая секция-то не сдвинулась, в результате слайдер прямо на зоду меняет велосити и заканчивается не на тике
09:02 freebird42: короче зеленые секции тоже придется подогнать
09:02 WISPG_G: я залил
09:02 freebird42: я еще сдвигаю
09:03 WISPG_G: просто скачай
09:03 freebird42: ах да
09:03 WISPG_G: там все пофишено и сдвинуто
09:03 freebird42: сорян, я дегрод
09:03 WISPG_G: а ты вкурсе что можно сразу все тайминги выделаить и сдвинуть на определнное кол-во мс
09:04 freebird42: вообще я видел такую функцию во кладке тайминг, но никогда не доводилось воспользоваться
09:04 freebird42: обычно я не приступал к мапингу, пока не был уверен в тайминге, чтобы ничего двигать потом не пришлось
09:04 WISPG_G: вот щас надо было с начала первого киаи все тайминги сдвинуть на -25 мс
09:05 freebird42: все ноты в смысле?
09:05 WISPG_G: нет
09:05 WISPG_G: тайминги
09:06 freebird42: а как ты это сделал?
09:08 WISPG_G: Заходишь в раздел тайминги и все нужные тебе с зажатым ctrl кликаешь, чтобы выделить и тогда появляется функция сдвига
09:08 freebird42: м, буду знать
09:10 freebird42: ну так как насчет спинера от сих 00:45:821 - до сих 00:46:701 - ?
09:11 WISPG_G: Сделаю
09:11 freebird42: 00:48:377 (1,2,3,4) - эти джампы норм
09:12 freebird42: а
09:12 freebird42: 00:51:376 (2,3,4,5,6,1) - а эти можно замапать и получше
09:13 WISPG_G: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4094093
09:13 freebird42: не прямо сейчас, исправления лучше начать вносить, когда я допишу
09:13 freebird42: все же отдельные моменты мало что значат, важнее как они вписываются в карта вообще
09:13 WISPG_G: Я это исправил еще до того как ты написал
09:14 freebird42: джампы буквой w выглядят неплохо
09:14 freebird42: добавь кстати еще где-нибудь джампы звездочкой
09:15 freebird42: тоже очень стандартный паттерн
09:15 freebird42: горизонтальные и вертиакальные джампы
09:15 freebird42: главное чтобы прослеживалась какая-то закономерность и был сносный спейсинг между нотами
09:16 freebird42: 01:00:043 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - тут лучше ращбавить слайдерами
09:17 WISPG_G: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4094109
09:18 freebird42: выглядит неплохо
09:18 freebird42: 01:02:710 (7,1) - тут тоже какой-то переход слайдером нужен, а то слишком много джампов
09:19 freebird42: 01:06:876 - тут нота нужна
09:19 WISPG_G: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4094120
09:21 freebird42: первую ноту оставь
09:21 freebird42: запили слайдера вместо 2 и 3 и 5 и 6
09:21 freebird42: http://puu.sh/lNCCO/a82192d1f0.jpg
09:22 freebird42: кстати а где ты учишься?
09:22 freebird42: город
09:22 WISPG_G: Челябинск ЮУрГУ
09:23 freebird42: понятно
09:24 WISPG_G: А почему здесь без ноты 01:00:043 (1) -
09:24 WISPG_G: Там очетливо слушно удар барабанов
09:24 WISPG_G: слышно*
09:24 freebird42: там есть нота
09:25 freebird42: а после нее слайдер
09:25 freebird42: http://puu.sh/lNCMT/956bb4ba2c.jpg
09:26 WISPG_G: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4094132
09:27 freebird42: не
09:27 freebird42: в конце две сильные ноты
09:27 freebird42: из по-любому надо нажать
09:27 freebird42: лучше после первой ноты сращу слайдер
09:27 freebird42: потом нота
09:28 freebird42: и еще слайдер
09:28 freebird42: и в конце две ноты
09:29 freebird42: оенй начиная отсюда 01:08:210 - по многим вещам не уверен, но пока оставь как есть, посмотрим что другие скажут
09:30 freebird42: 01:16:793 (5) - ноту на тик левее
09:30 WISPG_G: Уже сдвинул
09:31 WISPG_G: Мне нужно будет другие киаи переделать как эти
09:31 freebird42: 01:23:543 (6,1,2,3,4,5) - между слайдером и стримом довольно большой промежуток времени проходит поэтому либо начини стрим так где заканчивается слайдер либо сдвинь его подальше
09:31 freebird42: киаи вроде норм
09:32 WISPG_G: Так во всех киаи анологичный мотив как в той, что мы только что сделали
09:32 WISPG_G: нужно будет также подправить
09:32 freebird42: я тебя не понял
09:33 freebird42: во первых когда это мы сделали киаи, а во вторых что такого что в киаи мотив аналогичный?
09:33 WISPG_G: мы только что в киаи ноты заменяли на слайдеры и прочий бред
09:34 WISPG_G: нужно будет также подправить в других трех
09:34 freebird42: а, ну если у тебя там аналогично замапано, то скорее всего да
09:34 freebird42: ну если конечно ты что-то другое не придумаешь
09:34 freebird42: 01:40:209 (1) - слайдер надо укоротить
09:35 freebird42: 01:44:209 (1) - а этот удлинить
09:36 WISPG_G: поменять в таймингах 1,5 и 1 местами?
09:36 freebird42: блин, неловко себя чувствую, говорил мол добавь джампы звездочкой, а они у тебя есть
09:36 freebird42: нет, просто протяни подальше сам слайдер
09:36 freebird42: и наоборот покороче
09:36 freebird42: кароч ctrl c ctrl v слайдеры которые после них идут и поставь на место тех, что я написал
09:37 WISPG_G: А все понял, я просто еще до этого поправил эти слайдеры, а у тебя они все еще не исправлены были
09:37 WISPG_G: По этому до меня не дошло
09:37 freebird42: окей
09:38 freebird42: 02:04:209 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ну все то же самое, получше расставить надо
09:38 WISPG_G: 02:00:043 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - мне кажется этот стрим кривовато выглядит
09:38 freebird42: стримы кстати тоже поаккуратнее сделать неплохо бы, посмотри как в других мапах сделано и по аналогии у себя запили
09:38 freebird42: ну вижу ты и сам понимаешь
09:39 freebird42: 02:10:876 - опять же ноту сюда
09:39 WISPG_G: у меня возникала идея когда стрим делаю попробовать поставить слайдер и по его контуру рассталвять ноты, чтобы ровне было
09:40 freebird42: можешь просто подрубить distance snap
09:40 freebird42: потом зажать alt и покурить колесиком мыши, чтобы настроить спейсинг
09:40 freebird42: покурить лол
09:40 freebird42: покрутить
09:40 freebird42: справа вверху отображается спесинг
09:40 WISPG_G: да-да это я знаю, но даже с фиксированным спейсингом может иногда не ровно поулчиться
09:41 freebird42: отруби грид снап
09:41 freebird42: будет ровнее
09:41 WISPG_G: попробую
09:42 freebird42: ну и да, в мапе есть хитсаунды, но все равно надо поработать над ними, некоторые звуки в песне ты просто оставляешь без внимания, не выделяя их никак хитсаундами
09:42 WISPG_G: Да и впрямь без грида лучше вышло
09:43 WISPG_G: Я вроде бы расставил хитсаунды там где нужно
09:43 freebird42: кстати да, некоторые паттерны можно делать при помощи редактор->создать многоугольник
09:43 WISPG_G: Все может быть
09:44 WISPG_G: ctrl-shift-D спасибо кеп)
09:44 freebird42: ну вот здесь где-то 02:32:543 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - есть три звука которые не выделяются хс-ами
09:44 WISPG_G: просто иногда мне хочется немного хаотичности
09:44 WISPG_G: всегда ровное это скучно
09:44 freebird42: не обязательно ровное
09:45 freebird42: главное чтобы флоу было норм
09:45 freebird42: типа чтоб запястье не свернуть пока будешь аимить
09:45 WISPG_G: Странно, я отчетливо помню, что там хитсаунды были
09:45 freebird42: а ты много знаешь для того кто месяц играет в осу, респект
09:46 WISPG_G: А, вспомнил это просто я исправлял по чьиму то совету он предложил воспользовать ctrl-shift-D и я забыл хитсаунды обратно расставить
09:46 freebird42: 02:42:043 - сбда можно добавить ноту
09:47 freebird42: а тут 02:42:376 - наоборот лучше удалить имхо
09:47 WISPG_G: У меня большой интерес к маппингу от старкрафта я любил создватьа карты, а щас тоже не плохая возможность выдалась с помощью осу
09:48 freebird42: для самой первой мапы результаты очень годные
09:48 WISPG_G: это не первая
09:48 WISPG_G: до этого еще были 2
09:48 freebird42: а точно
09:49 WISPG_G: одна ознакомительная с базой, а не другой я учился с хитсаундами работать
09:49 freebird42: я просматривал твой профиль и забыл, что у тебя еще 2 пендинг мапы, сорян
09:49 freebird42: 02:44:209 (1) - укороти если еще не сделал
09:49 WISPG_G: если интересно можешь их глянуть)
09:49 WISPG_G: первую я забросил наверно, а ко второй еще вернуться думаю
09:49 freebird42: 02:48:209 (1) - ты знаешь что делать
09:49 freebird42: когда вернешься - зови
09:50 freebird42: чем могу - помогу
09:50 WISPG_G: окей
09:50 *WISPG_G is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/833931 TheFatRat - Windfall]
09:50 WISPG_G: Вот к этой еще вернусь
09:50 freebird42: 02:53:709 (2,3,4) - слишком большой спейсинг
09:50 WISPG_G: Если инетерсно можешь глянуть
09:50 freebird42: лол
09:50 freebird42: я недавно делал гдшку для другого мапера на эту песню
09:51 freebird42: совпадение
09:51 WISPG_G: плогиаааааааат)
09:51 freebird42: неее, я тогда еще знать не знал про тебя и про эту песню
09:52 WISPG_G: не суть
09:52 freebird42: 02:54:876 - в киаи начиная отсюда опять же джампы стримы, все как в предыдущх
09:52 WISPG_G: Слушай мне кажется тут другой тайминг 03:16:209 (1,2,3) -
09:52 WISPG_G: Звучит не ровно как было
09:53 WISPG_G: Наврено надо обартно на синюю метку сдвинуть
09:54 freebird42: да нет
09:54 freebird42: все в порядке
09:54 WISPG_G: Или даже еще один редлайн добавить
09:54 freebird42: только реверсал слайдер короткие надо подправить
09:54 freebird42: не надоЮ все ок
09:55 WISPG_G: просто уберу 1.0 на слайдерах и будет норм
09:56 freebird42: 03:40:209 (3) - очень сомневаюсь на счет таких слайдеров
09:56 freebird42: пока шарик по нему едет упускается минимум 3 звука
09:56 freebird42: тебе решать че с этим делать
09:57 freebird42: просто в совей мапе ты иногда овермапишь, но это допустимо для экстра сложностей, а такие моменты это наоборотандермапинг, а комбинить их это что-то странное имхо
09:57 freebird42: 03:56:543 - нота пропущена
09:58 freebird42: 04:11:376 (1,2,3,4) - вот такой овермапинг недопустим
09:59 freebird42: тут тупо нет 4-х нот
09:59 freebird42: тут есть чтото такое http://puu.sh/lNEdF/8d470cd3de.jpg
09:59 WISPG_G: Как нет то?
10:00 WISPG_G: Может быть
10:00 WISPG_G: Попробую
10:01 freebird42: по желанию можешь сделать слайдер реверсалом
10:01 freebird42: но я бы оставил и так
10:02 freebird42: главное что не 4 ноты
10:03 freebird42: 04:25:543 - сюда ноту
10:04 freebird42: 04:28:210 - начиная отсюда можно спинер запилить, а можно и не пилить
10:04 freebird42: 04:32:209 (1) - фикс
10:04 freebird42: 04:36:209 (1) - фикс
10:05 freebird42: в последнем киаи ничего нового
10:05 WISPG_G: Единственное он длинныей
10:06 freebird42: 05:11:710 (9) - нде-то тут начинается звук который тоже неплохо бы выделить коротеньким слайдером
10:06 WISPG_G: А я ничего не слышу там
10:08 freebird42: хм
10:08 freebird42: ну не знаю, лично мне просто кажется что стрим слишком долго тянется
10:09 WISPG_G: Можно разве что попробовать этот момент хитсаундами выделить
10:09 freebird42: http://puu.sh/lNEAJ/d2d5b27659.jpg я бы сделал что-то такое, но можно оставить и так как есть, большой проблемы здесь нет
10:09 freebird42: 05:12:210 (1,2) - ну и тут можно спейсинг побольше сделать
10:09 freebird42: для эпичности
10:11 WISPG_G: Ок
10:11 freebird42: ну и самая примитивная часть модинга это фикс метадаты
10:11 freebird42: типа заполнение полей source
10:11 freebird42: в теги тоже что-то типа "раз-раз-раз это хардбас"
10:11 WISPG_G: ССылка на видео клипа подойдет?
10:11 freebird42: короче успеешь еще пофиксить
10:11 freebird42: но пока все
10:12 freebird42: обрати внимание на джампы и флоу, посмотри свои любимые мапы в редакторе со схожим бпм и примерно одинаковой сложностью, дабы что-то позаимствовать
10:12 freebird42: нет
10:12 freebird42: видеоклип это не источник
10:12 freebird42: в вики подробней прочитай что там писать над
10:13 WISPG_G: А если владелец видео автор трека?
10:13 WISPG_G: А окей почитаю
10:13 freebird42: источник это игра или фильм или типа того
10:13 freebird42: клип это клип
10:13 freebird42: его можешь прикрепить в описание
10:13 freebird42: там где у тебя была написана какая-то ахинея мол заявите всему миру о вашей карте
10:14 freebird42: короче вот
10:14 WISPG_G: Спс большое, выложишь все это в тему? Ты заслужил свое кудосу
10:14 WISPG_G: Киаи доделаю позже мне уходить надо скоро
10:14 freebird42: даже не знаю, тут столько ненужной болтовни
10:14 freebird42: ну ок, выложу
10:14 freebird42: давай
10:14 freebird42: я созраню твою мапу и если появятся идеи - напишу тебе
10:14 WISPG_G: С бакари тоже болтовни не мало было)
EncoreW
hi

[Expert]

from start to 00:35:610 - this part, bpm is higher and higher, so i think sv shoule be faster and faster, not keep 1.6 and 1.5x, for example you can use 1.0x then 1.25x then 1.5x and so on

00:24:044 - 00:35:610 - 00:44:060 - this part i think bpm or offset is wrong, many notes sounds like unsnap

00:44:060 (9) - NC plz because of a strong transmission, and i don't know whether it is available this buckling

00:46:877 (1,2,3) - 00:48:877 (4) - why not use long sliders to instead of that? this guitar is in continuous

00:49:543 (1,2,3) - somewhere like this, the same ^

00:51:043 (1) - and this slider can use 2 circles to instead, because 00:51:043 - 00:51:210 - as strong as 00:51:376 -

00:53:710 (1) - somewhere like this, the same ^

00:51:710 (4,5,6,1) - you can let them closer than before, because instruments in 00:51:043 (1,2,3) - disappeared now, only drums remaining, adn you also can dicide decrease 00:51:710 (4,5,6) - volume

00:54:376 (4,5,6,1) - somewhere like this, the same ^

00:57:376 (15) - use a short slider?

01:11:710 (1,2,3) - overlap, your map have so many place like this, deal with that plz

01:30:876 (8) - this direction looks bad

02:23:876 (4) - NC should be here i think, and so on 02:24:543 (3,3,3) - ......

02:42:043 - somewhere like this maybe shouldn't be blank

03:16:209 (1,2,3) - these 3-note-stream maybe shouldn't appeared, try to delete the middle one to make this reflect rhyrhm better

04:12:209 (1) - these spinner, i think you can use a circle on 04:12:210 - then put this spinner, 1/4 between them

do a little more work with hitsounds plz, GL
Topic Starter
KappaPraise

T-Mac wrote:

hi

[Expert]

from start to 00:35:610 - this part, bpm is higher and higher, so i think sv shoule be faster and faster, not keep 1.6 and 1.5x, for example you can use 1.0x then 1.25x then 1.5x and so on

00:24:044 - 00:35:610 - 00:44:060 - this part i think bpm or offset is wrong, many notes sounds like unsnap

00:44:060 (9) - NC plz because of a strong transmission, and i don't know whether it is available this buckling

00:46:877 (1,2,3) - 00:48:877 (4) - why not use long sliders to instead of that? this guitar is in continuous

00:49:543 (1,2,3) - somewhere like this, the same ^

00:51:043 (1) - and this slider can use 2 circles to instead, because 00:51:043 - 00:51:210 - as strong as 00:51:376 -

00:53:710 (1) - somewhere like this, the same ^

00:51:710 (4,5,6,1) - you can let them closer than before, because instruments in 00:51:043 (1,2,3) - disappeared now, only drums remaining, adn you also can dicide decrease 00:51:710 (4,5,6) - volume

00:54:376 (4,5,6,1) - somewhere like this, the same ^

00:57:376 (15) - use a short slider?

01:11:710 (1,2,3) - overlap, your map have so many place like this, deal with that plz

01:30:876 (8) - this direction looks bad

02:23:876 (4) - NC should be here i think, and so on 02:24:543 (3,3,3) - ......

02:42:043 - somewhere like this maybe shouldn't be blank

03:16:209 (1,2,3) - these 3-note-stream maybe shouldn't appeared, try to delete the middle one to make this reflect rhyrhm better

04:12:209 (1) - these spinner, i think you can use a circle on 04:12:210 - then put this spinner, 1/4 between them

do a little more work with hitsounds plz, GL
Will think about later, i need time to remake flow on my map
Tacto
Not much but here are a few things

Mods
00:10:310 (7) - i feel like this should be going the opposite way based on what this does in the previous pattern 00:03:935 (6,7) -

00:07:685 (1,2,3) - the 3 slightly overlaps the 1

00:12:925 (6,7,8,9) - you could stack these or make them further apart. but that is just mu preference

00:15:890 (6,7,8,9) - same ^

00:17:373 (1,2) - 2 does not bubble 1 perfectly

00:45:861 (1) - feel like this should start a whole measure before

01:25:918 (2,3,4) - the 2 doesn't fully stack on the end of 4

01:54:585 (3,1) - i would stack these

01:57:251 (3,1) - same

02:46:918 (1,2,3) - i would make 3 not overlap one

02:58:585 (3,1) - so yea if you dont like stacking i get it no more use in me pointing it out :P

03:53:585 (3,4,5) - 3 overlaps 5 which i think is fine in this case

04:09:668 (1) - instead of these spinners you could add long sliders

side not: Really loved this map. Its really well done. My ocd kicks in sometimes and things that are not stacked make me sad but it doesnt always need to be changed. Hope this helped a little. Best wishes- Bulldog
Topic Starter
KappaPraise

Bulldog wrote:

Not much but here are a few things

Mods
00:10:310 (7) - i feel like this should be going the opposite way based on what this does in the previous pattern 00:03:935 (6,7) -

00:07:685 (1,2,3) - the 3 slightly overlaps the 1

00:12:925 (6,7,8,9) - you could stack these or make them further apart. but that is just mu preference

00:15:890 (6,7,8,9) - same ^

00:17:373 (1,2) - 2 does not bubble 1 perfectly

00:45:861 (1) - feel like this should start a whole measure before

01:25:918 (2,3,4) - the 2 doesn't fully stack on the end of 4

01:54:585 (3,1) - i would stack these

01:57:251 (3,1) - same

02:46:918 (1,2,3) - i would make 3 not overlap one

02:58:585 (3,1) - so yea if you dont like stacking i get it no more use in me pointing it out :P

03:53:585 (3,4,5) - 3 overlaps 5 which i think is fine in this case

04:09:668 (1) - instead of these spinners you could add long sliders

side not: Really loved this map. Its really well done. My ocd kicks in sometimes and things that are not stacked make me sad but it doesnt always need to be changed. Hope this helped a little. Best wishes- Bulldog
Thank you, i'll made few of this things
Bonsai
Heya! First thing I noticed is that the timing for the beginning was pretty off most of the time so I tried to fix it in a seperate diff so you can copy-paste the timing sections, it's still not 100% accurate but definitely an improvement ^^ You'll have to resnap most notes probably and add a few more green lines though
Here's a screen of the sections, the 180bpm one is fine
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Now, a few things I can mention about the map itself:
  1. Generally the Slider Velocity is in the beginning is too high in relation to the spacing of the objects and the pace of the song, I'd highly recommend reducing it as it fells rather forced imo
  2. 00:13:667 (1,2,3) and 00:14:408 (1,2,3) etc. - All those kicksliders are overmapped, there is no audible beat on their tails, please avoid doing that. Even if they weren't overmapped it would be rather inconsistent to stop mapping them like that starting at 00:25:489 (2,3,4) so yeah
  3. 00:35:610 (1,2) - Maybe make these one 1/2-slider as it is unusual for the player to not have a note at 00:35:698 and it would also emphasize the heavy downbeat very nicely
  4. 00:41:354 (2) - This is overmapped too :(
  5. I suggest silencing the end of every spinner you have by putting a green line with 5% volume there as there are no specific beats there that the spinners are mapped to. Applies to all spinners I think but especially to those starting at 04:09:668 (1) - The hitsounds jsut don't fit there at all ^^
  6. 00:51:085 (1) - Offbeat-sldier like this one, that start on a weaker tick (red) and end on a stronger tick (white) are not that fitting as the slidertail gives less emphasis than the head, but the beat on the tail is arguably the most important one here (applies for other sliders like this one too, always check whether the beat on the head really deserves more emphasis than the one on the tail. 01:02:752 (1) especially)
  7. 00:59:585 (4,1) - Here a slider would fit since (1) is a rather unimportant note, but that's ust a suggestion, there aren't sliders on similar sections so w/e you think fits better ^^
  8. 01:03:085 (2,5) - Why did you overmap these, you didn't do that anywhere else in the Kiai D:
  9. In general I'd suggest you to try and be more creative with your longer streams, right now they're all basically one line with a few soft curves, but you could emphasize certain beats in those streams by mapping a turn or mapping some 1/4-sliders or something like that, to make it more diverse. Just as an example, at 04:52:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) you could turn (5) and (11) into sliders to emphasize those drumhits or whatever
  10. 04:53:585 (1,2,3) - Also just an idea / suggestion, maybe this could be applied for other parts like this too, I didn't listen that closely: You can hear beats at 04:53:918 and 04:54:418 and 04:54:752 so you could turn these circles into two 1/1-sliders and a 1/2-slider o:
Yeah that's all I can say for now, this is a very nice map already but you could obviously need some more experience to come up with more creative patterns and create a bit more variety in the map and also develop your personal 'style' and make the map appear a bit cleaner from an aesthetic standpoint, but that can't be easily taught through mods, just keep on mapping! :D
Topic Starter
KappaPraise

Bonsai wrote:

Heya! First thing I noticed is that the timing for the beginning was pretty off most of the time so I tried to fix it in a seperate diff so you can copy-paste the timing sections, it's still not 100% accurate but definitely an improvement ^^ You'll have to resnap most notes probably and add a few more green lines though
Here's a screen of the sections, the 180bpm one is fine
Timing-difficulty
osu file format v14

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Title:Birthright (Instrumental)
TitleUnicode:Birthright (Instrumental)
Artist:Celldweller
ArtistUnicode:Celldweller
Creator:WISPG_G
Version:Bonsai's Timing
Source:
Tags:
BeatmapID:840087
BeatmapSetID:384466

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:9.3
SliderMultiplier:1.6
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
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//Break Periods
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//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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136,340,286085,1,8,0:0:0:0:
132,56,286585,1,8,0:0:0:0:
175,59,287085,5,0,0:0:0:0:
340,130,287251,1,0,0:0:0:0:
269,297,287418,1,0,0:0:0:0:
113,204,287585,1,0,0:0:0:0:
254,93,287751,1,0,0:0:0:0:
330,260,287918,1,0,0:0:0:0:
126,263,288085,1,0,0:0:0:0:
51,64,288251,5,8,0:0:0:0:
440,156,288751,1,8,0:0:0:0:
159,324,289251,1,8,0:0:0:0:
135,289,289751,5,0,0:0:0:0:
330,220,289918,1,0,0:0:0:0:
106,227,290085,1,0,0:0:0:0:
301,158,290251,1,0,0:0:0:0:
76,166,290418,1,0,0:0:0:0:
267,94,290585,1,0,0:0:0:0:
46,95,290751,1,0,0:0:0:0:
241,25,290918,5,8,0:0:0:0:
244,282,291418,1,8,0:0:0:0:
138,38,291918,1,8,0:0:0:0:
104,60,292251,5,0,0:0:0:0:
86,84,292335,1,0,0:0:0:0:
75,111,292418,1,0,0:0:0:0:
77,140,292501,1,0,0:0:0:0:
92,165,292585,1,0,0:0:0:0:
114,184,292668,1,0,0:0:0:0:
141,194,292751,1,0,0:0:0:0:
163,214,292835,1,0,0:0:0:0:
167,243,292918,1,0,0:0:0:0:
152,269,293001,1,0,0:0:0:0:
129,289,293085,1,0,0:0:0:0:
108,311,293168,1,0,0:0:0:0:
101,340,293251,1,0,0:0:0:0:
120,362,293335,1,0,0:0:0:0:
149,365,293418,1,0,0:0:0:0:
294,337,293585,5,8,0:0:0:0:
255,48,294085,1,8,0:0:0:0:
112,276,294585,1,8,0:0:0:0:
142,285,295085,5,0,0:0:0:0:
350,178,295251,1,0,0:0:0:0:
159,139,295418,1,0,0:0:0:0:
328,313,295585,1,0,0:0:0:0:
458,218,296085,5,0,0:0:0:0:
306,186,296252,2,0,L|278:54,1,120.000004577637,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
131,48,296586,1,8,0:0:0:0:
60,168,296752,2,0,L|180:212,1,120.000004577637,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
184,350,297085,1,0,0:0:0:0:
337,283,297251,1,8,0:0:0:0:
369,266,297752,5,0,0:0:0:0:
187,240,297919,1,0,0:0:0:0:
412,164,298085,1,0,0:0:0:0:
169,133,298252,1,0,0:0:0:0:
457,71,298419,1,0,0:0:0:0:
141,28,298585,1,0,0:0:0:0:
52,171,298752,6,0,L|32:294,1,120.000004577637,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
175,316,299085,1,0,0:0:0:0:
293,214,299252,1,0,0:0:0:0:
195,95,299419,1,8,0:0:0:0:
360,63,299585,1,0,0:0:0:0:
467,193,299752,1,8,0:0:0:0:
400,342,299918,1,0,0:0:0:0:
424,320,300251,5,0,0:0:0:0:
439,294,300335,1,0,0:0:0:0:
436,264,300418,1,0,0:0:0:0:
426,235,300501,1,0,0:0:0:0:
405,212,300585,1,0,0:0:0:0:
376,202,300668,1,0,0:0:0:0:
346,204,300751,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,220,300835,1,0,0:0:0:0:
305,246,300918,1,0,0:0:0:0:
293,273,301001,1,0,0:0:0:0:
274,297,301085,1,0,0:0:0:0:
246,308,301168,1,0,0:0:0:0:
217,300,301251,1,0,0:0:0:0:
197,276,301335,1,0,0:0:0:0:
197,246,301418,1,0,0:0:0:0:
215,117,301585,5,8,0:0:0:0:
454,100,302085,1,8,0:0:0:0:
358,299,302585,1,8,0:0:0:0:
315,314,303085,5,0,0:0:0:0:
312,92,303251,1,0,0:0:0:0:
168,268,303418,1,0,0:0:0:0:
394,179,303585,1,0,0:0:0:0:
104,208,304251,5,8,0:0:0:0:
272,68,304751,1,8,0:0:0:0:
352,264,305251,1,8,0:0:0:0:
200,336,305585,5,0,0:0:0:0:
174,320,305668,1,0,0:0:0:0:
161,292,305751,1,0,0:0:0:0:
175,265,305835,1,0,0:0:0:0:
202,252,305918,1,0,0:0:0:0:
231,252,306001,1,0,0:0:0:0:
261,248,306085,1,0,0:0:0:0:
283,228,306168,1,0,0:0:0:0:
293,199,306251,1,0,0:0:0:0:
281,170,306335,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,152,306418,1,0,0:0:0:0:
226,148,306501,1,0,0:0:0:0:
196,154,306585,1,0,0:0:0:0:
168,164,306668,1,0,0:0:0:0:
142,179,306751,1,0,0:0:0:0:
39,98,306918,5,8,0:0:0:0:
428,232,307418,1,8,0:0:0:0:
144,52,307918,1,8,0:0:0:0:
256,192,308252,12,0,309418,0:0:0:0:
116,240,309585,6,0,P|148:156|224:100,1,160,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
224,100,309835,1,0,0:0:0:0:
260,92,309918,1,0,0:0:0:0:
296,88,310001,1,0,0:0:0:0:
332,92,310085,1,0,0:0:0:0:
368,100,310168,1,0,0:0:0:0:
404,124,310251,6,0,P|440:244|416:292,1,160,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
408,292,310501,1,0,0:0:0:0:
376,312,310585,1,0,0:0:0:0:
340,324,310668,1,0,0:0:0:0:
304,328,310751,1,0,0:0:0:0:
268,320,310835,1,0,0:0:0:0:
236,288,310918,6,0,P|208:232|216:132,1,160,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
232,120,311168,1,0,0:0:0:0:
220,84,311251,1,0,0:0:0:0:
184,68,311335,1,0,0:0:0:0:
136,80,311418,1,0,0:0:0:0:
100,120,311501,1,0,0:0:0:0:
92,168,311585,1,0,0:0:0:0:
112,220,311668,1,0,0:0:0:0:
156,252,311752,1,0,0:0:0:0:
208,268,311835,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,260,311918,1,0,0:0:0:0:
304,240,312002,1,0,0:0:0:0:
340,208,312085,1,0,0:0:0:0:
384,192,312168,1,0,0:0:0:0:
412,224,312252,5,8,0:0:0:0:
163,138,312418,1,0,0:0:0:0:

Now, a few things I can mention about the map itself:
  1. Generally the Slider Velocity is in the beginning is too high in relation to the spacing of the objects and the pace of the song, I'd highly recommend reducing it as it fells rather forced imo
  2. 00:13:667 (1,2,3) and 00:14:408 (1,2,3) etc. - All those kicksliders are overmapped, there is no audible beat on their tails, please avoid doing that. Even if they weren't overmapped it would be rather inconsistent to stop mapping them like that starting at 00:25:489 (2,3,4) so yeah
  3. 00:35:610 (1,2) - Maybe make these one 1/2-slider as it is unusual for the player to not have a note at 00:35:698 and it would also emphasize the heavy downbeat very nicely
  4. 00:41:354 (2) - This is overmapped too :(
  5. I suggest silencing the end of every spinner you have by putting a green line with 5% volume there as there are no specific beats there that the spinners are mapped to. Applies to all spinners I think but especially to those starting at 04:09:668 (1) - The hitsounds jsut don't fit there at all ^^
  6. 00:51:085 (1) - Offbeat-sldier like this one, that start on a weaker tick (red) and end on a stronger tick (white) are not that fitting as the slidertail gives less emphasis than the head, but the beat on the tail is arguably the most important one here (applies for other sliders like this one too, always check whether the beat on the head really deserves more emphasis than the one on the tail. 01:02:752 (1) especially)
  7. 00:59:585 (4,1) - Here a slider would fit since (1) is a rather unimportant note, but that's ust a suggestion, there aren't sliders on similar sections so w/e you think fits better ^^
  8. 01:03:085 (2,5) - Why did you overmap these, you didn't do that anywhere else in the Kiai D:
  9. In general I'd suggest you to try and be more creative with your longer streams, right now they're all basically one line with a few soft curves, but you could emphasize certain beats in those streams by mapping a turn or mapping some 1/4-sliders or something like that, to make it more diverse. Just as an example, at 04:52:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) you could turn (5) and (11) into sliders to emphasize those drumhits or whatever
  10. 04:53:585 (1,2,3) - Also just an idea / suggestion, maybe this could be applied for other parts like this too, I didn't listen that closely: You can hear beats at 04:53:918 and 04:54:418 and 04:54:752 so you could turn these circles into two 1/1-sliders and a 1/2-slider o:
Yeah that's all I can say for now, this is a very nice map already but you could obviously need some more experience to come up with more creative patterns and create a bit more variety in the map and also develop your personal 'style' and make the map appear a bit cleaner from an aesthetic standpoint, but that can't be easily taught through mods, just keep on mapping! :D
Thanks, all of this advices was very usefull, i'll make them all
Dailycare
#modreq via in-game chat

Hi~ WISPG_G! I finally finished modding.. sorry to be late ;w;

Genaral

You can add 'Wish Upon A Blackstar' to tags
Celldweller's Soundcloud, check it

Expert

  • Genarally, some patterns and flow are monotonous. You can use your creativity referring to other maps. But don't imitate it
  1. 00:25:850 (4,1) - The distance between both notes is pretty far. You'd better reduce the distance.
  2. 00:29:284 (3,4,5) - How about following the drum sounds?
  3. 00:35:067 (3,4,5) - Same as 00:29:284 (3,4,5)
  4. 00:51:085 (1) - Stack on previous note
  5. 00:53:752 (1) - ^
  6. 01:00:085 (1) - ^ and remove NC. 01:00:252 (2) - Add NC here
  7. 01:06:585 (3) - It's better to move to (288,48)
  8. 01:11:918 (6) - Add NC
  9. 01:49:585 (1) - Make some variety, like ctrl+G? but I recommend to replace with circles like 02:53:585 (1,2)
  10. 01:52:418 (1) - Stack on 01:51:918 (3)
  11. 02:00:085 (1,2) - There are no rhythm here. please remove circles
  12. 02:09:502 - i suggest you should add a circle here
  13. 02:43:585 (7) - Add NC
  14. 02:53:751 (2,3,4) - Wrong rhythm, I think it's better but you don't have to fix it :3
  15. 03:03:918 (3,1) - Widen the distance between both notes
  16. 03:07:085 (1) - Stack on previous note
  17. 03:08:085 (1) - Same as 01:00:085 (1)
  18. 03:09:752 (1) - Same as 03:07:085 (1)
  19. 03:11:918 (7,1) - Same as 03:03:918 (3,1)
  20. 03:16:251 (1,2,3) - Remove (2) and widen the distance between both (1,3) for emphasizing the rhythm. I think it's better to fix about whole this part. But, it's fine to not fix it if you don't want my suggestion
  21. 04:38:918 (9) - NC
  22. The interval between 04:39:585 and 04:41:418 don't need break time in my opinion.
  23. 04:47:085 (1) - Stack on previous note
  24. 04:49:751 (1) - 05:03:085 (1) - ^
  25. 04:51:918 (3,1) - 04:59:918 (7,1) - Same as 03:03:918 (3,1)
  26. 04:55:085 (1) - Same as 04:47:085 (1)
  27. 04:56:085 (1,2) - Same as 01:00:085 (1)
  28. 05:05:585 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - These sounds a bit awkward. Check it
  29. 05:12:418 (2) - x168 y136
wow, is this your third beatmap? O.O You're pretty potential. But I think your beatmap's whole quality didn't overcome the noob mapper's one. To overcome that, you need to look into many ranked beatmaps and study your beatmaps yourself. I expect your beatmap (and which will be made in the future) to be improved~! :D

EDIT: look into many ranked beatmaps = It doesn't mean just playing many times. it means analysing patterns, flow and something else on editor.
Topic Starter
KappaPraise

Dailycare wrote:

#modreq via in-game chat

Hi~ WISPG_G! I finally finished modding.. sorry to be late ;w;

Genaral

You can add 'Wish Upon A Blackstar' to tags
Celldweller's Soundcloud, check it

Expert

  • Genarally, some patterns and flow are monotonous. You can use your creativity referring to other maps. But don't imitate it
  1. 00:25:850 (4,1) - The distance between both notes is pretty far. You'd better reduce the distance.
  2. 00:29:284 (3,4,5) - How about following the drum sounds?
  3. 00:35:067 (3,4,5) - Same as 00:29:284 (3,4,5)
  4. 00:51:085 (1) - Stack on previous note
  5. 00:53:752 (1) - ^
  6. 01:00:085 (1) - ^ and remove NC. 01:00:252 (2) - Add NC here
  7. 01:06:585 (3) - It's better to move to (288,48)
  8. 01:11:918 (6) - Add NC
  9. 01:49:585 (1) - Make some variety, like ctrl+G? but I recommend to replace with circles like 02:53:585 (1,2)
  10. 01:52:418 (1) - Stack on 01:51:918 (3)
  11. 02:00:085 (1,2) - There are no rhythm here. please remove circles
  12. 02:09:502 - i suggest you should add a circle here
  13. 02:43:585 (7) - Add NC
  14. 02:53:751 (2,3,4) - Wrong rhythm, I think it's better but you don't have to fix it :3
  15. 03:03:918 (3,1) - Widen the distance between both notes
  16. 03:07:085 (1) - Stack on previous note
  17. 03:08:085 (1) - Same as 01:00:085 (1)
  18. 03:09:752 (1) - Same as 03:07:085 (1)
  19. 03:11:918 (7,1) - Same as 03:03:918 (3,1)
  20. 03:16:251 (1,2,3) - Remove (2) and widen the distance between both (1,3) for emphasizing the rhythm. I think it's better to fix about whole this part. But, it's fine to not fix it if you don't want my suggestion
  21. 04:38:918 (9) - NC
  22. The interval between 04:39:585 and 04:41:418 don't need break time in my opinion.
  23. 04:47:085 (1) - Stack on previous note
  24. 04:49:751 (1) - 05:03:085 (1) - ^
  25. 04:51:918 (3,1) - 04:59:918 (7,1) - Same as 03:03:918 (3,1)
  26. 04:55:085 (1) - Same as 04:47:085 (1)
  27. 04:56:085 (1,2) - Same as 01:00:085 (1)
  28. 05:05:585 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - These sounds a bit awkward. Check it
  29. 05:12:418 (2) - x168 y136
wow, is this your third beatmap? O.O You're pretty potential. But I think your beatmap's whole quality didn't overcome the noob mapper's one. To overcome that, you need to look into many ranked beatmaps and study your beatmaps yourself. I expect your beatmap (and which will be made in the future) to be improved~! :D

EDIT: look into many ranked beatmaps = It doesn't mean just playing many times. it means analysing patterns, flow and something else on editor.
Thanks for help, i will make few of this things (your really like stack notes OMG :D).
Mikagura Seisa
#m4m in-game req


[Expert]
  • some distance of regular shape not do well like
    00:51:085 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - in this pattern the distance of 1,2 and 2,3 should be equal now 1,2=1.33x 2,3=1.44x and the y axis of 1= 56 other=52..
    00:29:136 (1,2,3,4) - like this Though this advice does not affect the playing, it is important of impressions.

    01:00:085 (1,2) - 1 not NC, the fast slider 2 NC is better (other kiai the same)

    02:42:752 - miss a beat here

    03:29:252 (6) - 304|84

    some space control not well like
    03:30:251 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - this part i will change like (among them 03:30:418 (2) - stack with last 7)
    well used stack and regular shape will make map clean and convenient for read

    some part has no add hitsound but the drumbeat in music is not same like
    01:40:252 - ~ 01:48:085 -

    I think you need lots of work on above aspects.
    ...
good luck :D
Topic Starter
KappaPraise

Mikagura Seisa wrote:

#m4m in-game req


[Expert]
  • some distance of regular shape not do well like
    00:51:085 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - in this pattern the distance of 1,2 and 2,3 should be equal now 1,2=1.33x 2,3=1.44x and the y axis of 1= 56 other=52..
    00:29:136 (1,2,3,4) - like this Though this advice does not affect the playing, it is important of impressions.

    01:00:085 (1,2) - 1 not NC, the fast slider 2 NC is better (other kiai the same)

    02:42:752 - miss a beat here

    03:29:252 (6) - 304|84

    some space control not well like
    03:30:251 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - this part i will change like (among them 03:30:418 (2) - stack with last 7)
    well used stack and regular shape will make map clean and convenient for read

    some part has no add hitsound but the drumbeat in music is not same like
    01:40:252 - ~ 01:48:085 -

    I think you need lots of work on above aspects.
    ...
good luck :D
Thx, add few hitsounds.
Gamu
Hello. As per your request: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/393945

  1. The current metadata is fine!
  2. You can add "Wish Upon A Blackstar Deluxe Edition" to Tags because it is album name.
<Reference>
  1. http://puu.sh/lV2ln/4ff441093b.png
  2. http://puu.sh/lV2dU/33014da4a8.png
  3. http://fixtstore.com/products/celldweller-wish-upon-a-blackstar-deluxe-edition-digital-album?variant=7247446851
Good luck~:3
Avishay
SPOILER
2015-12-18 20:33 Avishay: lets go
2015-12-18 20:34 Avishay: 00:00:935 (6,7) - is the slight rotation on purpose? it is kinda noticeable and ugly, either make them identical or different
2015-12-18 20:35 Avishay: 00:02:435 (6) - moving the red anchor to x408 y144 will look nicer because the slider is spaced more evenly between 00:01:872 (2,3) - and it is less tight
2015-12-18 20:36 Avishay: 00:03:560 (5,6) - unreasonably close? spacing out would be nice
2015-12-18 20:36 Avishay: 00:03:935 (6,7) - same like at the start
2015-12-18 20:37 Avishay: 00:06:560 (5,6) - egh.. looks like 1/4 spaced sliders, kinda misleading and unnecessary
2015-12-18 20:37 Avishay: well this happends again, so I just wouldn't do this and recommend you to change it
2015-12-18 20:38 Avishay: 00:25:142 (8,1) - that's really weird, the second note is as strong as 00:24:779 (6) - yet the degree and the emphasization are lacking here
2015-12-18 20:39 Avishay: moving it to x256 y232 (just an example so you'll get the idea) will be better
2015-12-18 20:40 Avishay: 00:31:127 (1,2) - I prefer those to not be stacked
2015-12-18 20:41 Avishay: 00:33:830 (8,1,2) - overall weird movement and as before, prefer those to not be stacked
2015-12-18 20:41 Avishay: the shape seems random and should be like have some purpose
2015-12-18 20:41 WISPG_G: about start what about this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4157007
2015-12-18 20:42 Avishay: it's nice
2015-12-18 20:43 Avishay: 00:35:627 (1) - increasing the SV from here (start lower) would be really really nice, I highly recommend it
2015-12-18 20:43 Avishay: 00:44:114 (8) - is this the best you came up with? not a fan of this slider heh
2015-12-18 20:44 Avishay: 00:50:085 (2,3) - why are those not stacked
2015-12-18 20:44 WISPG_G: nope, i just cant do good sliders)
2015-12-18 20:44 Avishay: 00:56:918 (9) - NC recommended
2015-12-18 20:45 Avishay: 00:57:585 (1,2) - try to be consistent about stacking or not stacking
2015-12-18 20:45 Avishay: will make it look better
2015-12-18 20:45 WISPG_G: in other kiai unstack too, i will fix it
2015-12-18 20:46 Avishay: 01:01:252 (6) - NC, change from 1.5 to 0.75 is brutal
2015-12-18 20:46 Avishay: 01:08:252 (1,2,3,4) - you can probably make something better, seems boring
2015-12-18 20:46 Avishay: the song doesn't really call for it
2015-12-18 20:47 WISPG_G: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4157049
2015-12-18 20:47 WISPG_G: 1.5? are you sure?
2015-12-18 20:47 Avishay: 01:12:251 (5,6,7,8,9) - a star here would be nicer http://puu.sh/m0o4g/34c9582a94.jpg
2015-12-18 20:47 Avishay: I mean
2015-12-18 20:47 Avishay: that because of the SV change
2015-12-18 20:47 Avishay: you should place a NC
2015-12-18 20:47 Avishay: the slider was fine, don't change it
2015-12-18 20:47 Avishay: it goes well with the music
2015-12-18 20:48 WISPG_G: ah, ok
2015-12-18 20:48 Avishay: as for the star, please use ctrl+shift+d to make it look perfect
2015-12-18 20:49 Avishay: 01:14:918 (5,6,7,8,9) - having those blank holes seems meh, rearrange it a bit to make it play and look well: http://puu.sh/m0oaR/c31f040e85.jpg
2015-12-18 20:49 Avishay: 01:19:918 (7,8,9,10) - it's soooo random, it honestly looked like you placed them just because
2015-12-18 20:50 Avishay: having interesting sliders and connections makes stuff fun to play
2015-12-18 20:50 Avishay: it's your job to think about those because yeah the music is kinda repetitive
2015-12-18 20:51 Avishay: 01:21:918 (2,3,4) - this kinda makes no sense, the spacing on the strong note is the smallest, you should always remember that most of the time, having big spacing towards the strongest note is the best
2015-12-18 20:51 Avishay: 01:29:585 (1,5,6) - those are great because of whatever instrument that plays when they start
2015-12-18 20:52 Avishay: 01:32:918 (4) - egh my hears, it's too strogn
2015-12-18 20:52 Avishay: 01:32:585 (3,4,5) - spacing unreasonable like before, try emphasizing the stronger note
2015-12-18 20:53 Avishay: 01:36:251 (7,8,9,10,11) - a star again would be nicer, or some other well done shape, this seems random and weird, at the very least make 8 and 10 not overlap
2015-12-18 20:53 WISPG_G: This strong note 01:32:918 (4) -
2015-12-18 20:53 WISPG_G: ?
2015-12-18 20:53 Avishay: 01:37:418 - that's a pretty strong note ignored
2015-12-18 20:53 Avishay: yes
2015-12-18 20:53 WISPG_G: i didnt mean here or in previos stars, i just placed notes
2015-12-18 20:54 WISPG_G: but may be stars should looks better
2015-12-18 20:54 Avishay: 01:38:751 (7) - two circles would be better in my opinion, with a jump made for the second circle, it's strong, you want the player to press on it
2015-12-18 20:54 Avishay: I know
2015-12-18 20:54 Avishay: but I am suggesting it because it will look better
2015-12-18 20:54 Avishay: you can make other stuff as well, just make it look well
2015-12-18 20:54 WISPG_G: ok
2015-12-18 20:55 Avishay: 01:39:585 (9,1) - I am fine with that, but the movement into the slider is not good, the angle of the slider is not going well with the movement before
2015-12-18 20:55 Avishay: think about the movement as a curve followed from 9
2015-12-18 20:56 Avishay: just an example, this could be better http://puu.sh/m0oBs/80236065db.jpg
2015-12-18 20:56 Avishay: because the player continues the sharp curve quick and fast and it goes nicely, instead of having a weird linear movement into a weird sliderbody
2015-12-18 20:58 WISPG_G: do you will post it in thread? i just cant fix all of it fast
2015-12-18 20:58 Avishay: I guess for now this'll do, I might recheck later
2015-12-18 20:59 Avishay: yeah lol you don't have to respond now
2015-12-18 20:59 Avishay: just go over them in your time
2015-12-18 20:59 Avishay: I'll stop now since I want to play some dota heh

some IRC mod, just get more mods and it'll get great.
Doyak
IRC mod
02:35 WISPG_G: hi \o, do you accept more requests for modding?
03:19 Doyak: lol
03:19 Doyak: I saw it just now
03:19 Doyak: yup you can make a request
03:19 WISPG_G: )
03:20 *WISPG_G is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/840087 Celldweller - Birthright (Instrumental)]
03:20 WISPG_G: thx
03:20 Doyak: Want IRC?
03:21 WISPG_G: ye lets IRC
03:22 Doyak: First you would need to improve the flow overall
03:23 Doyak: and practice how to make things aesthetically
03:24 Doyak: 00:02:247 (4,5,6) - I should say, I don't really agree with this triplet
03:24 Doyak: and same for similar things
03:24 Doyak: It's not like there is an actual 1/4 sound or it's worth emphasized with a triple
03:25 Doyak: by similar things, I mean like 00:05:247 (4,5,6) - these as well
03:25 Doyak: 00:02:435 (6,7) - generally it's more structured if you just copy 6 and paste to 7 and rotate it by 180 degree
03:26 Doyak: 00:02:060 (3,7) - also this kind of overlapping isn't very beautiful
03:27 Doyak: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4170961
03:27 Doyak: if you put the distance between 3-4 and 7-3 equal, it gets much more structured
03:28 Doyak: ok before going forward, I would say this first
03:28 Doyak: Do not stick to this one map, as this seems to be very far from rankable quality
03:28 WISPG_G: like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4170974
03:29 Doyak: so from this mod, you try to learn things
03:29 Doyak: and maybe remap next time
03:29 Doyak: well sticking to each other is a bit awkward for me
03:30 Doyak: For your level it's good to try many things, yeah
03:30 WISPG_G: heh, i remapped 3 times) i just have problems with flow and shape of sliders, i trying watch othr ranked maps, but i cant make somthing good with this map
03:30 Doyak: 3 times wow
03:30 Doyak: yeah mapping is very hard xD
03:30 Doyak: It took me a year after I started mapping to have a first ranked mapset
03:31 Doyak: and you know, this kind of song is hard to map
03:31 Doyak: It's easier to start with some simple anime songs with lower difficulties
03:31 WISPG_G: sometimes people wonder how i have that high skill of mapping just for 1-2 month of plaing osu
03:31 WISPG_G: i dont like anime
03:31 WISPG_G: i have other maps
03:32 WISPG_G: but their queilty very low
03:32 WISPG_G: and i have another project
03:32 WISPG_G: which i working atm
03:32 Doyak: for a one month player it's pretty good
03:33 Doyak: hmm at least
03:33 Doyak: this song is too hard to map... I think
03:33 Doyak: anyway let's continue
03:33 WISPG_G: not really hard
03:34 WISPG_G: i just need exp for flow
03:34 WISPG_G: this is my weakness
03:34 Doyak: The flow is not your only problem
03:34 Doyak: The rhythms should be improved a lot as well
03:35 Doyak: You need to get better overall
03:35 Doyak: so
03:35 Doyak: one of the basic theorem of mapping is that
03:36 Doyak: distance is proportion to the rhythm
03:36 Doyak: which means, 00:03:560 (5,6,7) - you don't need to make their distance different
03:36 Doyak: unless it's for a specific pattern, of it needs to be emphasized
03:37 Doyak: they just look like, a random distance
03:37 Doyak: 00:06:560 (5,6,7) - for these as well
03:38 WISPG_G: 1.3 - 1.4
03:39 Doyak: that 0.1 gap is not good
03:39 Doyak: you might think it's only trivial, but it actually drops the quality
03:39 Doyak: It doesn't only applied to that one pattern
03:40 Doyak: If you compare 00:03:560 (5,6,7) - 00:06:560 (5,6,7) - these too
03:40 Doyak: the music is still pretty consistent for both of them
03:40 Doyak: but they have different distance
03:41 Doyak: for a same part there should be one basic distance
03:41 WISPG_G: this should be same, i used destance snap there, i remember one of modder tell me fix something here 00:06:560 (5,6,7) -
03:42 WISPG_G: and may be i break spacing there
03:42 Doyak: I see
03:42 Doyak: then let's compare 00:07:685 (1,2,3,4) - this and 00:04:685 (1,2,3,4) -
03:43 Doyak: 00:07:872 (2,3) - < 00:08:060 (3,4) - but 00:04:872 (2,3) - > 00:05:060 (3,4) -
03:43 Doyak: This is called inconsistent
03:44 Doyak: 00:08:247 (4,5,6) - 00:11:247 (4,5,6) - also these triples I don't agree with
03:44 Doyak: 00:10:685 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - and you can make these look better as well
03:44 WISPG_G: i think i will remap this 4-th time) i am sure i neex much working with flow and spacing
03:45 Doyak: Do you really want to rank this?
03:45 WISPG_G: i mapping 2 weeks i dont want leave this map
03:45 Doyak: Then my advice would be... remap later, after you get some more experience on mapping
03:46 Doyak: I don't think you can make this rankable quality with your current mapping skill level, so you should only remap again
03:46 Doyak: and also, an Extra difficulty
03:46 Doyak: is 10 times harder than ranking easier difficulties
03:47 Doyak: because they require much higher quality, and there should be reasonable reasons for every patterns
03:47 Doyak: But I don't think you can do that right now, so maybe try for some easier maps first, if you truly want to rank this
03:47 WISPG_G: no-no i can get it, i can i just need some more time, i just need find same map and look for patterns and other things
03:48 Doyak: Trying to learn is always good, but you need some patience
03:48 WISPG_G: i know all my mistakes, i know them before, but i just needed opinion other peoples about it
03:49 Doyak: Mapping isn't that simple... even if you've ranked 20 maps you can still be improved
03:50 Doyak: You would think you would know all your mistakes but in deeper inside... you can still learn more
03:50 Doyak: also I am very very far from perfect
03:51 WISPG_G: but i like mapping since i mapping in starcraft, i am sure i can easy learn if i want, i just need time
03:51 WISPG_G: but learn hard without teacher and workbook)
03:51 Doyak: mapping in starcraft lol
03:52 WISPG_G: )
03:52 Doyak: well mapping an osu! map is something different though
03:52 Doyak: osu mapping is 3 dimensions
03:52 Doyak: x axis, y axis, and time axis
03:52 Doyak: and all of them should fit to the music
03:53 WISPG_G: i know, well i am now very sleepy, i must go, if you want, you can continue without me
03:54 WISPG_G: i hope you will find something else, i'll try fix spacing
03:54 Doyak: hmm
03:54 Doyak: If I stick to mod this specific map
03:54 Doyak: I would end up writing 1000 lines
03:54 Doyak: so instead of doing that, I'd like to actually teach you
03:54 WISPG_G: hm, this should be better
03:54 Doyak: so if you want, I'd rather try to explain in realtime
03:55 Doyak: so yeah good night~
03:55 WISPG_G: wait-wait
03:55 WISPG_G: i think, i can stand here for more
03:55 WISPG_G: i will wake up later
03:55 Doyak: lol
03:56 WISPG_G: just because tommorow i must go to 3... em lesson?
03:56 Doyak: idk what to explain now
03:56 WISPG_G: i dont remember how in egnlish lesson in university xD
03:57 Doyak: Would you like to: learn by modding this map or having my own lecture time?
03:57 WISPG_G: idk... hm
03:58 Doyak: because, if I mod this map
03:58 WISPG_G: may be mod this map should be better
03:58 Doyak: there are same issues appearing on the whole map
03:59 WISPG_G: yep
03:59 Doyak: then I'll point out some major issues
04:00 Doyak: 00:34:908 (5,6,7,8,9) - You should be able to explain
04:00 Doyak: why are these have smaller spacing
04:00 Doyak: than other streams before
04:00 Doyak: while the music
04:00 Doyak: became even intense
04:00 Doyak: 00:35:894 (2) - this kind of note is unnecessary, just go with 1/2s
04:01 WISPG_G: i think this just timing point
04:01 Doyak: 00:36:877 (1) - also this just needs to be a circle, because there's no sound at 00:36:966 -
04:01 Doyak: what timing point?
04:01 WISPG_G: 1.3-1.5
04:02 WISPG_G: SV 1.3-1.5
04:02 WISPG_G: spacing same but numbers different
04:02 Doyak: yup but you should multiply them
04:02 Doyak: 1.3x0.9 > 1.5x0.7
04:02 Doyak: and I suggest to just use 0.9 there as well
04:03 WISPG_G: ok
04:03 Doyak: becuase the reason you used 1.5 sv there
04:03 Doyak: is because the song became intense, right?
04:03 WISPG_G: ye
04:03 Doyak: than the stream spacing could go naturally with it too
04:03 Doyak: then*
04:03 WISPG_G: ok
04:04 Doyak: 00:44:114 (8) - would be better to NC this when it changes the slider velocity
04:05 Doyak: 00:46:919 - this is not 180bpm
04:05 Doyak: it should be 120, and use 1/3s
04:05 Doyak: wait
04:06 WISPG_G: ye
04:06 Doyak: I'm not very sure though
04:06 WISPG_G: ye
04:06 WISPG_G: )))
04:06 Doyak: this song is weird lol
04:06 WISPG_G: in start bpm there wrer 118-315-118-315 bpm)
04:06 WISPG_G: in 1-st version
04:07 Doyak: 00:50:585 (3,1) - 00:53:252 (3,1) - be consistent on spacing them
04:07 WISPG_G: but modders told me just 1 bpm need there for all map
04:07 WISPG_G: 180
04:08 WISPG_G: my english very bad))
04:08 Doyak: me too
04:09 Doyak: 01:38:585 (5,6,7) - these 5, 6 should be removed
04:09 Doyak: try to follow the drums there, there are no 1/4s
04:10 Doyak: http://puu.sh/m2DLV/4391b6d33f.jpg
04:10 Doyak: just put it like this, this feels so good
04:11 Doyak: 01:50:085 (3,4,5) - I don't see a reason to use 1/4s there, you should rather put 3 farther from 2
04:11 Doyak: since it's a strong beat
04:13 Doyak: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4171287
04:13 Doyak: try to figure out why I placed notes like that
04:14 Doyak: because 01:50:085 (3) - and 01:50:418 (5) - are the strongest
04:15 Doyak: and 01:50:418 (5,6,7) - these make 1 good pattern (triangle) then goes to a new part ( 01:50:751 (7,1) - )by placing a jump
04:15 Doyak: like this, you need to give each patterns a good reason
04:16 Doyak: also note that I place all the notes have visually same distances
04:16 Doyak: which makes, structures
04:17 Doyak: 02:00:085 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this amount of zigzag is quite bad for playability
04:18 Doyak: 02:09:585 (1,2,3) - If you hear carefully, there are good sounds at 02:09:918 - 02:10:418 -
04:18 Doyak: so instead of finishing them on blue lines, it's better to actually represent the existing beats
04:19 Doyak: 02:21:252 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - this is a creative pattern, but if you listen to the music carefully, you can notice that they're not all equal
04:19 WISPG_G: remake like this 02:06:917 (1,2,3,4,5) - ?
04:19 Doyak: that could also work
04:22 Doyak: To talk about consistency, 02:22:918 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - you used pretty big distances, and very breaking flows
04:22 Doyak: but 02:27:918 (3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - these are all roundy
04:22 Doyak: and small
04:22 Doyak: doesn't give an impact unlike the previous ones
04:24 Doyak: 02:50:918 (1,2,3,4) - Like I said before, when you represent similar sounds, it's usually better to just copy paste one to other
04:24 Doyak: and rotate them appropriately
04:24 Doyak: to make them look structured
04:25 Doyak: How to explain this... just try to make it doesn't seem to be 'random'
04:27 Doyak: 03:05:585 (1,2,3) - 03:13:585 (1,2,3) - yup the same beats ignored
04:28 Doyak: 03:21:585 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3) - these are really good, gj
04:29 Doyak: Do you know what 'blanket' is?
04:29 WISPG_G: thx, this part was the easiest for me xD
04:29 WISPG_G: nope
04:29 WISPG_G: or... you talking about "silence" hitsound?
04:30 WISPG_G: no-no
04:30 WISPG_G: not hitsound
04:30 WISPG_G: just write this word in google translator)
04:30 Doyak: no no blanket is
04:31 Doyak: http://puu.sh/m2F7M/3bf6d55a7f.jpg
04:31 Doyak: like this
04:32 WISPG_G: ok
04:32 Doyak: making a slider go around another object
04:32 Doyak: this would make the patterns clean
04:32 Doyak: just a famous skill of mapping xD
04:33 Doyak: 03:48:085 - This beat shouldn't be ignored
04:33 WISPG_G: i have question
04:33 Doyak: 03:57:251 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I don't think representing that sound by stream is a good solution
04:33 Doyak: k
04:35 WISPG_G: for example i have notes 1 2 3 they on near ticks like stream next short slider and next another note
04:35 WISPG_G: can i make spacing between note and slider more than between notes?
04:36 Doyak: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4171459
04:36 Doyak: like this?
04:36 Doyak: you can
04:37 Doyak: those kind of sliders are called kick sliders
04:37 Doyak: because the slider end is less important so players just hit the start
04:37 WISPG_G: ye, like this
04:37 Doyak: and move on to the next note
04:38 WISPG_G: but sometimes i guess when bpm low this dont work?
04:38 *Doyak is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/700607 Yun*chi - Wonderful Wonder World* [Insane]]
04:38 Doyak: let's take a look at this map
04:39 Doyak: 01:38:724 (1,2,3,4) - it works like this
04:39 Doyak: you only need a good reason to do that
04:39 Doyak: not just random placing things
04:40 WISPG_G: yep
04:40 Doyak: back to your map
04:40 Doyak: 04:06:918 (1,2,3,4) - you gotta explain this
04:40 Doyak: that why they have all different spacings
04:40 WISPG_G: i just found 1 thing
04:41 WISPG_G: i think i should chenge something here 03:59:918 (4,5) -
04:41 WISPG_G: this sounds worng
04:41 WISPG_G: and other parts too i guess
04:41 Doyak: for that part I would say
04:41 Doyak: 04:00:418 - this should be clickable
04:42 WISPG_G: something like note + long slider
04:42 Doyak: because that's the strong point
04:43 Doyak: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4171505
04:43 Doyak: something like this
04:43 WISPG_G: may be like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4171508
04:43 WISPG_G: ?
04:44 Doyak: that's good
04:44 WISPG_G: the 4-th remap wait me i coming soon xD
04:44 Doyak: lol
04:45 Doyak: man I warned already
04:45 Doyak: You may want to remap it 10 times if you'll only remap this over and over again
04:45 Doyak: Mapping is a really hard thing...
04:46 Doyak: anyways, now you should sleep now xD
04:46 WISPG_G: but interesting
04:46 WISPG_G: you my another mother?)
04:46 Doyak: xDDDDDDDD
04:47 WISPG_G: i have other maps
04:47 WISPG_G: they not really good)
04:47 Doyak: actually it's 4:47 AM here
04:47 *WISPG_G is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/822641 Lindsey Stirling - Halo Theme]
04:47 WISPG_G: This one soon go grayward
04:47 WISPG_G: I want delete it
04:47 *WISPG_G is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/833931 TheFatRat - Windfall]
04:47 WISPG_G: Here i learn work of hitsounds
04:48 WISPG_G: But there SV 3 xD
04:48 WISPG_G: and mapped 1/6
04:48 WISPG_G: I think thats wrong
04:48 Doyak: lol
04:48 Doyak: 1/6 is correct
04:49 WISPG_G: For this map i'll change Halo THeme
04:49 *WISPG_G is listening to Flying Steps - We are electric
04:49 Doyak: but that sv seems to be bad
04:49 WISPG_G: Its not downloaded yet
04:49 WISPG_G: Oh, and this one too
04:49 *WISPG_G is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/s/389315 The Luna Sequence - Penance Contrived]
04:50 Doyak: too many 1/2s for an Easy
04:51 Doyak: actually it seems that the current meta wants to be the easiest difficulty to not have ANY 1/2s
04:51 Doyak: on 165+bpm
04:51 Doyak: this map looks like an 2008 Hard map
04:51 Doyak: with big circles
04:52 WISPG_G: lol
04:52 WISPG_G: someone told me what this song is to fast for easy
04:53 WISPG_G: and i should start from normal
04:53 Doyak: Fast songs can also have Easies
04:53 Doyak: You just need to make the rhythm more simple
04:53 Doyak: like on low bpms, you can fill out most 1/1s and that still works
04:53 Doyak: but on fast bpms, 2/1s can be the most prominent beats
04:53 Doyak: and focus on those mostly
04:54 Doyak: Don't you sleep now? let's continue next time if you want
04:55 Doyak: I'll upload the chat log and get kudosu
Lami
hi

  1. 00:14:793 (8) - whistle don't fit music.
  2. 00:44:114 (1) - add nc here, for notice speed change.
  3. 00:56:918 (1) - and 01:04:918 (9) - use same NC partten, in same music part.
  4. 01:17:418 (1) - remove NC
  5. 01:59:918 (3,1) - increase DS here, for avoid anti-jump which don't fit music.
  6. 02:08:917 (9) - same above issue
  7. 02:18:585 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - in same partten like this 01:28:252 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
    yea, please same NC partten here.
  8. 02:53:752 (2,3,4) - it's not 1/4, just 1/6. please carefully listen here.
  9. 03:48:085 - you may want to add note here.
  10. 03:56:918 (1) - add nc here, for notice different rhythm.
  11. 04:06:918 (1,2) - increase DS
  12. 05:05:585 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - don't fit music, plz listen slowly here.
Misure
Some problem from me, subjective maybe :)

  1. 00:01:310 (7,1,2) - things like these, at 00:01:685 - set NC and a jump because it can be clearly seen that rhythm be cut off here, so players will feel more smooth in that way, with rhythm changing
  2. 00:04:310 (7,1,2) - ^
  3. 00:07:310 (7,1,2) - ^
  4. 00:10:310 (7,1,2) - ^
  5. 00:18:702 (6,7,8,9,1) - things like this, flow is not good imo, as me when I click 00:19:258 (9) - I'd like to move to right-bottom or left-bottom because of patterns before, however it forces me not, which makes me not well
  6. 00:21:661 (6,7,8,9) - ^
  7. 00:26:776 (5,1) - makes players confused to tell there is a 1/2 or a 1/4, so keep them away
  8. 00:42:710 - should be a click here imo
  9. 00:43:938 (7,1) - better to keep away, btw the slider is not beautiful imo :o maybe you can get some idea about the shape of sliders from some pro maps!
  10. 00:47:919 (3) - I'd like to curve it more
  11. 00:50:585 (3,1) - stack or away, in fact I prefer to keep them away
  12. 00:57:418 (7,1) - not good imo, maybe curve 00:57:418 (7) - towards left better
  13. 01:02:585 (6,7,1,2) - flow not good, I mean use an obtuse angle for flow here
  14. 01:03:252 (2,3,4,5,1) - streams so close with a double circle, which lacks of a feeling of moving
  15. 01:08:585 (2,3) - I recommond not to use this pattern unless really needed, for I rarely see this in a ranked map :(
  16. 01:30:252 (5,6) - flow not good imo, there is a tendency towards 'OUT' but you force it 'IN', well hope you know what I mean...
  17. 01:34:585 (11,1) - make the slider tail towards the circle not suitable here imo
  18. 01:38:251 (3,4) - better to keep a same DS with 01:37:918 (2) - and 01:38:752 (5,6) -
  19. 01:58:752 (7,1) - ^
  20. 02:06:751 (7,1,2) - obtuse angle
  21. other things are similar I think
Tbh, I really think you have showed what you want to show... um, if you need a suggestion form me, that is to play more maps, in which way you can more to show from youself.. ah, I just mean that.
Edit: map more various music is also a way in which you can practice to understand various way to show music, imo
Good luck! :)
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