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stupud man wrote:

[victorica's 8K Leggendaria]
00:10:941 (10941|1) - Remove this, it makes the beginning pattern way too uncomfortable. You're basically guaranteed to miss the note every time, especially on a sightread. Nope, we follow kick 00:10:780 (10780|1,10941|1,11103|1) - here, removing will cause flow get break.

Also, about the scratch jacks:
00:34:974 (34974|0,35081|0,35189|0,35296|0) -
00:37:877 (37877|0,37958|0,38038|0,38119|0,38200|0) -
00:40:135 (40135|0,40243|0,40350|0,40458|0) -
00:58:200 (58200|0,58307|0,58415|0,58522|0) -
01:01:103 (61103|0,61183|0,61264|0,61345|0,61425|0) -

I know I'm sounding redundant here, but these also make the diff extremely uncomfortable. I'd recommend moving these notes out to the other 7 keys instead of making them scratch jacks. I know earlier you stated that removing these will make your map "lose its soul", but honestly that's not a valid excuse whatsoever. In my opinion, you're already overusing scratches in other parts of the song, however they aren't as bad as these scratch jacks. Hopefully you can understand.
Some patterns in the diff adjust to be easier, but scratch didn't removed. There are many similar stuffs appeared in Ryu* - Yukizukiyo, but nobody mentioned it at the time. It makes no sense that same stuff allowed before and now we must change for a player, or very less players.
While we finished our diff, we always ask players to test play it. Sure, we also testes it once or many times.
I know you're a ★8 BMS player, I assure you played more uncomfortable maps than this one. But why you didn't complain which part is uncomfortable? or what else.
I'd thank you for share your feedback. But it still just a feedback or recommendation. We adjust the diff, can't change more again. I'm a bit sad to force the mapper to compromise with those reasons he disagreed. And I hope you understand, there is no 100% comfortable map. I think everyone knows the meaning. There are many uncomfortable maps for me, for others. But it is very subjective to say it, doesn't it ? You can say that is uncomfortable for you, but definitely not for everyone. Anyway, thanks for feedback.

juankristal wrote:

Well, I want to give a little bit of an opinion here because I see some people complaining a little bit (not sure if me giving an opinion about a map is worth at all, but I kinda feel like doing that).

I just quickly testplayed both Novice and Advanced difs and I have to say that the gap, in my opinion, is a little bit too harsh. You are jumping from barely 1/4 doubles patterns like 1-3 (and some triples as well combined with jumps that in my opinion might be a little bit too much for a Novice but lets just skip that part) to almost no breaks "jumpstreams" at the end. I do believe using just steps should be better for the end, or at least just use the doubles between two full ticks.



Yes, technicaly speaking it doesnt have any unrankeable issue but the thing is that the dif gap between those two are a little bit too much. Imagine a normal tier player trying to transition to hard and they get stomp by this. The dif for me is cool but the spread is an issue.

About mapping that some people need to understand is that you are doing it for the whole community and you need to focus A LOT in spreads (at least in my opinion, one of the most important aspects of a mapset) because you are doing something that directly afects the reputation of the game so it has to be top tier.

Unrankeable stuff is not the thing that you should look for this dif because it is indeed cool but you need to look to other stuff in order to improve it even more. After all, thats the main goal that a mapper that aims for rank should have.

I hope that you can, at least, see my point of view about this and I wish you good luck with the qualify or re-qualify if you finally end up changing stuff.
About this, seriously I have to say it is related to the song. The song actually has many 1/4 stream part. But NOVICE diff can't accept many such stuffs, otherwise it will over 2 stars or be unfriendly for beginners. I choose to follow other sounds and leave much empty part here.
Then, about ADVANCED, as I said, the song has many 1/4 stream, while KK mapping this diff, I think he thought about it problem. So he tried to make patterns play fine here. My playing skill is not good, but at least my ability is between Normal and Hard, sometimes over Insane(rarely). While I test both diff, I didn't think it has any problem. Both are fine to me and I never heard any players complain spread to me. I don't care NPS or what. Not everything is able to use such stuff to measure. We're mapping, not doing math homework. How is the difference while you use star rating and NPS to talk about a spread problem ? It makes no sense for me anyway.
But as your wish, if you really hope I fix this problem. Sure, I fixed for you, but not fix my diff, or KK's diff. I added a new diff for you, like as KAC2012 case.
So, I think problem solved now.

Evening wrote:

Starry- wrote:

Whilst we're here, I'd like to quickly address something in regard to the spread of the 4K difficulties in this mapset. The spread gap isn't necessarily the issue, but rather the difficulty skew in the mapset.

As an example, I'd like to show you the average NPS of each difficulty. Albeit not representative of the true difficulty of each mapset, it still gives a rough idea in terms of density and describes the issue at hand:
NOVICE Lv.9: 4.8 NPS
ADVANCED Lv.12: 9.1 NPS
EXHAUST Lv.13: 10.4 NPS
INFINITE Lv.14: 11.4 NPS
GRAVITY Lv.15: 11.5 NPS
Judging from this, the gap between NOV and ADV is 4.3, whereas the gap between GRV and ADV is 2.4. This honestly shouldn't be the case. (This is a sort of reply to p/4956727 KK's post here - I really think these are completely different cases.)

An attempt to unify the spread difficulty should be made. The main issues with ADV are the dense parts here eg. 00:30:619 - to 00:31:748 -, 01:33:925 - to 01:35:135 -, 01:44:248 - to 01:45:458 - (dense streams with no gaps).

I'll be watching over this thread frequently with no tolerance for posts that aren't civil. Lets do our best to be constructive towards this mapset.
Just going to give some inputs and extend from Starry-'s idea of increasing the difficulty of NOVICE/decreasing the difficulty of ADVANCED:

00:30:619 - KK's ADVANCED

Would recommend to nerf this to something like

I suggest to start the stream at 00:31:103 - mostly due to the snares being the dominant sound that is giving the 1/4 snap feeling instead of the synths.
00:31:022 - And I also doubt that there's a sound here but I think a ghost note is justified and nicely placed if you heavily favor the flow of the streams here, but right now I'm mostly targeting on how you can nerf the difficulty :p


Notice that I omitted the last note due to the song abruptly cutting the 1/4 off, I think it's more relevant to the music that way, but it's not that much of a change, so it's up to you if you want to remove that

00:38:200 - NOVICE

Would recommend to buff/make it harder to something like

Basically adding on the 1/2 beat here, I personally find it quite weird that there's no difficulty increment when the song transitions from the 1/1 beat snare to the 1/2 beat snare, hence I see this as a potential spot for you to buff/increase the difficulty here

01:01:425 - NOVICE

Similarly

I have provided 2 alternatives, pretty sure there are more but here are my suggestions to increase the difficulty here, same reasoning as before also

01:19:490 - KK's ADVANCED

I have to agree that this is a really hard part to nerf down to something simpler considering the layering is already defined here (snares+synth+1 cymbal at the front). But I think you can remove the snare layering here to make it simpler, so basically you'll only be left with the synth layer, in which I think is fine too, simplicity may sometimes prove to be better than complexity :p


Pretty much highlights what I'm pointing out, do the synths only, I personally find this simplified version pretty ok i guess lmao, I don't really play easy difficulties haha, I shouldn't be the one to judge

Side note: There's a synth (quite faint one) @ 01:20:216 -, this will help in making the map feel much better in terms of flow

This is for the second half, you can either map like that with the highlighted notes or without the highlighted notes, your choice. I personally find that the version with the highlighted notes is way harder to time and feels very much more complex in rhythm even though it is not that dense

01:19:490 - NOVICE

Think it's possible to make this slightly harder, as of now it feels like a drop in difficulty from 01:16:264 - in which I feel doesn't really match the music that much as it is a build up towards the chorus right here, but that's probably just me, here's the suggestion anyways


Just an idea that you could put 1/1s beside the synth rhythm here, this is so that the player can feel the 1/1 snare rhythm build up from this section to the 1/2 jack hammer here 01:24:651 -

01:29:812 - KK's ADVANCED

Same idea here basically, try to remove the snare layer here, go for the simpler pattern :s

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stupud man wrote:

[victorica's 8K Leggendaria]
00:10:941 (10941|1) - Remove this, it makes the beginning pattern way too uncomfortable. You're basically guaranteed to miss the note every time, especially on a sightread.

Also, about the scratch jacks:
00:34:974 (34974|0,35081|0,35189|0,35296|0) -
00:37:877 (37877|0,37958|0,38038|0,38119|0,38200|0) -
00:40:135 (40135|0,40243|0,40350|0,40458|0) -
00:58:200 (58200|0,58307|0,58415|0,58522|0) -
01:01:103 (61103|0,61183|0,61264|0,61345|0,61425|0) -

I know I'm sounding redundant here, but these also make the diff extremely uncomfortable. I'd recommend moving these notes out to the other 7 keys instead of making them scratch jacks. I know earlier you stated that removing these will make your map "lose its soul", but honestly that's not a valid excuse whatsoever. In my opinion, you're already overusing scratches in other parts of the song, however they aren't as bad as these scratch jacks. Hopefully you can understand.
Just going to give some inputs and elaborate on stupud man's point on the scratch key usage:

Well, firstly we are just going to assume that everyone knows that the scratch key with the notes make it play bad and the mapper doesn't really aim at mapping the map to cater to the players, there are 2 stand points here:

1. It is relevant to the music, it is placed ideally (from the mapper's perspective), therefore there shouldn't be any changes
2. It is relevant to the music, however I feel that the pattern could be improved in terms of how it's played, but I have to accept that it will alter the pattern the mapper has mapped
Personally feel that it isn't that wrong to be fixated on your own opinion and be persistent about it, mapping quality is subjective in all of cases, be it the mapper or the audience.

But considering you're not really catering this towards the audience (the players), I feel that the map wouldn't really move forward due to the ranking system being a huge wall where you have to satisfy the players in order to get maps ranked.

I will just look at the more extreme cases where I highly recommend to change due to it being almost physically impossible to play through instead of those which are "somewhat" playable, in which I think it can be passed

00:37:877 (37877|0,37958|0,38038|0,38119|0,38200|0) - victorica's Leggendaria


You probably have heard the argument that osu!mania is meant to be played on a keyboard a million times, but it is a fact that most players do play with a keyboard and you have to accept that

I don't think players at this skill level would be able to hit jacks at 186 BPM 5 times in a row perfectly, unless you're really just aiming for most players to not be able to hit 98% (even 99%), I would suggest to amend this to make it easier.

Another point is that if you were to consider people using scratches on their right, they would have to jack at 186 BPM and change fingering every 1/2 and chord correctly and be able to transition into 1/4 later, I think that's a bit too much? Well, of course it would be ok if you don't really want players to do well in this part anyways (no sarcasm)
01:01:103 (61103|0,61183|0,61264|0,61345|0,61425|0) - victorica's Leggendaria


Pretty much the same argument here, but I think it's worse for those using their right to scratch basically

00:34:974 (34974|0,35081|0,35189|0,35296|0) - victorica's Leggendaria


Kinda on the edge of agreeing and disagreeing with these 1/3 jacks, I personally find the speed of the jacks fine however, players can use 2 ways to hit this:

Firstly:

Players can opt to do it legitly, so with this assumption, we can analyze how players should hit it,

For Left Scratch:

Column: 12345678


| Chord on 124

| Hit 8 6 as a 1/4 Roll AND Hit 1 after the first chord after a 1/3 interval (I think this is fine if you have enough finger independence)

| Hit 1 4 {12} as a single handed trill (This is probably the problem when it comes to hitting it legitly, the chord at the end make it exponentially harder to time and hit correctly, I think it's fine if you were to just use 141 only)

For Right Scratch:

Column: 12345678


| Chord on 138

| Grace on 78 then back to 5 then back to 8 (I think you can see what's the problem here)

| Hit 3

| Chord on {168}
Secondly:


They can opt to approximate every chord here, so it would kinda look like this when amended:


Players mostly don't take the approximation way initially, but it is possible, though it still plays quite harshly in terms of difficulty due to the scratch jacking on keyboards

And please stop shitposting if you just want to post emojis and memes
First, thanks for long mod. I checked some, just talk about NOVICE. The part you asked me to make harder was the main reason of first disqualification. Why ? Because star rating over 2 stars. I know this part is empty, I tried to add some stuffs but it is not allowed for me. I adjust other parts and reduce some notes so finally I can get lower star rating to pass stupid RC here. I think the diff actually has nothing must be changed here, so I'll keep remaining here. Thank you.

Hydria wrote:

Spy wrote:

And say it is not about star rating but xxx's gap is too big. Why do you not to ask the fucking composer that why he compose a song which is hard to make a small gap for NOVICE and ADVANCED? So funny.
http://puu.sh/nG7Vb/7d3385dd5f.osz
First, thank you for making this. I've checked it. I can't call it bad, but I'd say I don't really like it. Well, I think it is very easy, just because I don't like LN usage even if it makes sense. and full of stair patterns. It is not the map I want to get anyway. So conclusion is taste issue I think. But anyway still thank you for making this, thank you for efforts.
Hydria

Spy wrote:

First, thank you for making this. I've checked it. I can't call it bad, but I'd say I don't really like it. Well, I think it is very easy, just because I don't like LN usage even if it makes sense. and full of stair patterns. It is not the map I want to get anyway. So conclusion is taste issue I think. But anyway still thank you for making this, thank you for efforts.
You did manage to get another diff in that fixed the spread issue for now, and that's what matters (I wasn't really expecting my diff to be accepted anyway).
Kayano
要GD吗 算了我太懒
Topic Starter
Spy

OniJAM wrote:

要GD吗 算了我太懒
你要也是可以,反正你不覺得風評被害就好
AncuL

Spy wrote:

Some patterns in the diff adjust to be easier, but scratch didn't removed. There are many similar stuffs appeared in Ryu* - Yukizukiyo, but nobody mentioned it at the time. It makes no sense that same stuff allowed before and now we must change for a player, or very less players.
old maps used to not having hitsounds. but now we need to have one (this is just an example but you should know what do i mean)

edit : think forward, not backward
Sandalphon
old but gold
Akasha-
Thanks for your mod and suggestion, i'm really appreciated
but as the results, Avalon had done an ADVANCED difficult, i also rearranged my diff too (i want to follow it with my own ideas), so it would be fine for diffspread now (happy? Yes, I am.)

so, we can move this map go progress once again, i hope you don't come and make any dramas in the future before and after this map get requalified again, thank you.
DoNotMess
i was asked by spy to mod avalon's diff .. hope this helps XD

Avalon's 4K ADVANCED Lv.11

1|2|3|4

00:02:393 - i suggest add something here as this is supposed to be for advanced (00:02:554 - and this too) and so on
00:17:393 - kick sound...
00:22:232 - add something here
00:27:716 - here too for kick sound
00:30:619 - here too for snare
01:25:861 - add something here...feels too empty X(
01:38:845 (98845|2) - what is this for
01:39:732 - i suggest make this ln until 01:40:135 - or 1/4 before it


sorry for very short mod, i hope it helps XD :)
[ A v a l o n ]

DoNotMess wrote:

i was asked by spy to mod avalon's diff .. hope this helps XD

Avalon's 4K ADVANCED Lv.11

1|2|3|4

00:02:393 - i suggest add something here as this is supposed to be for advanced (00:02:554 - and this too) and so on i would like to make a difference between Spy's NOVICE diff and KK's diff, i think it's okay
00:17:393 - kick sound... well, i just need to focus for synth sound only here ;w;
00:22:232 - add something here okay
00:27:716 - here too for kick sound focus to synth only here, i would like to give a break
00:30:619 - here too for snare okay
01:25:861 - add something here...feels too empty X( i can't make this part harder or star will be boom, sorry x(
01:38:845 (98845|2) - what is this for lol oki deleted
01:39:732 - i suggest make this ln until 01:40:135 - or 1/4 before it hmm, i'll consider about it later
sorry for very short mod, i hope it helps XD :)
thanks for mod :3
Update ==> http://puu.sh/o6ZnB/9baacfb9ee.rar (with my selfmod too)
Topic Starter
Spy
Updated.
Akasha-
Hi, incoming mod from Avalon (He's my wife)

[Avalon's 4K ADVANCED Lv.11]
00:07:232 - this part, i have an improvement for you, more better imo: http://puu.sh/o72Om/957befc677.jpg
00:11:748 - on this, how about, it's really good for pitch: http://puu.sh/o72XM/5730fc10af.jpg
00:22:393 - umm, this part can be improved, well, as for instrument, i would recomended to move one note to 1 column on this part 00:22:716 - and move 00:22:393 (22393|0) - to 3, http://puu.sh/o736M/b1916889bc.jpg
00:27:716 - lost a bass on 3rd note, add one to fit this out
00:30:619 (30619|3) - remove this, kind of hard around here, just follow the instrument you've done before like 00:30:458 (30458|0,30700|0,30941|0) - and for next up kicks 00:31:103 (31103|2,31183|1,31264|3,31345|2,31425|0,31506|1,31587|3,31667|2) - (http://puu.sh/o73fi/225047db3a.jpg) pretty sure it was better for instrument around here so try it
00:40:296 (40296|1,40619|1) - try to copy and paste the whistle.wav hitsound for them and this too 00:40:941 (40941|0) -
00:42:070 (42070|3) - change this to normal note and move 00:42:716 (42716|1) - to 4th was clearly better enough for pitch
If you're follow the the instrument, so don't add this snare, 00:48:845 (48845|3) - sound weird imo (don't forget to fix the hitsound by add storyboard sample if you applied this)
00:54:006 (54006|3) -
00:54:974 (54974|3) - move this to 3, if you gonna follow the vocals on 4th column (00:55:296 (55296|3,55458|3) - and more balanced too)
01:03:522 (63522|3) - missed whistle.wav
01:04:004 - this is more clear for vocals: http://puu.sh/o73MF/60da414f9a.jpg
01:05:296 - how about this: http://puu.sh/o73P1/88c71e90a0.jpg
01:19:167 (79167|1,79490|2) - Ctrl + H this, for the bass after this (follow instrument): 01:19:812 (79812|1,80135|1,80458|1) -
01:20:780 (80780|1) - move this to 3 for the same reason
01:22:070 (82070|2) - this too, move to 2
01:23:038 (83038|0) - wrong pitch, clearly it's same as 01:22:070 (82070|3,82554|3) - , Ctrl + H them (01:22:070 - http://puu.sh/o74cr/6d485917fb.jpg)
01:27:232 (87232|2,87393|2,87554|0,87716|0) - pitch are going up, try to fit them insteal of jacks
01:33:361 (93361|1) - suppose to be on 1st column for the instrument follow: 01:32:393 (92393|0,92635|0,92877|0,93119|0) -
01:39:732 (99732|3,99732|2) - pitch kind of different than 01:39:006 (99006|2,99006|3,99248|2,99248|3,99490|3,99490|2) - (lower)
01:43:683 (103683|1) - this suppose to be on 1st column
Great diff, i love it
[ A v a l o n ]

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

Hi, incoming mod from Avalon (He's my wife) lol <3

[Avalon's 4K ADVANCED Lv.11]
00:07:232 - this part, i have an improvement for you, more better imo: http://puu.sh/o72Om/957befc677.jpg i would keep mine, i just try that. . . but i still not satisfied huehue
00:11:748 - on this, how about, it's really good for pitch: http://puu.sh/o72XM/5730fc10af.jpg okay, feels good
00:22:393 - umm, this part can be improved, well, as for instrument, i would recomended to move one note to 1 column on this part 00:22:716 - and move 00:22:393 (22393|0) - to 3, http://puu.sh/o736M/b1916889bc.jpg okay
00:27:716 - lost a bass on 3rd note, add one to fit this out like i said previously on DnM mod, i would like to keep it for break, and focus to synth
00:30:619 (30619|3) - remove this, kind of hard around here, just follow the instrument you've done before like 00:30:458 (30458|0,30700|0,30941|0) - and for next up kicks 00:31:103 (31103|2,31183|1,31264|3,31345|2,31425|0,31506|1,31587|3,31667|2) - (http://puu.sh/o73fi/225047db3a.jpg) pretty sure it was better for instrument around here so try it removed, but for 1/4 pattern . . . i prefer to keep it
00:40:296 (40296|1,40619|1) - try to copy and paste the whistle.wav hitsound for them and this too 00:40:941 (40941|0) - okay
00:42:070 (42070|3) - change this to normal note and move 00:42:716 (42716|1) - to 4th was clearly better enough for pitch uhh, seems hard for me to change it . . . i will keep it, and for LN, actually the burst is started, so i would like to make a difference between my previous pattern
If you're follow the the instrument, so don't add this snare, 00:48:845 (48845|3) - sound weird imo (don't forget to fix the hitsound by add storyboard sample if you applied this) it just fine, somehow we need a special note for give a better transition
00:54:006 (54006|3) -
00:54:974 (54974|3) - move this to 3, if you gonna follow the vocals on 4th column (00:55:296 (55296|3,55458|3) - and more balanced too) ^ holy shit, i will make it all on column 4 for 100% vocal . . . oh yeaaaahhhh
01:03:522 (63522|3) - missed whistle.wav fixed
01:04:004 - this is more clear for vocals: http://puu.sh/o73MF/60da414f9a.jpg no plz, if you hear it again . . . it have something "different"
01:05:296 - how about this: http://puu.sh/o73P1/88c71e90a0.jpg applied
01:19:167 (79167|1,79490|2) - Ctrl + H this, for the bass after this (follow instrument): 01:19:812 (79812|1,80135|1,80458|1) -
01:20:780 (80780|1) - move this to 3 for the same reason
01:22:070 (82070|2) - this too, move to 2 okay, applied ^
01:23:038 (83038|0) - wrong pitch, clearly it's same as 01:22:070 (82070|3,82554|3) - , Ctrl + H them (01:22:070 - http://puu.sh/o74cr/6d485917fb.jpg) no, this 01:23:038 (83038|0) - have a different sound . . . listen it again
01:27:232 (87232|2,87393|2,87554|0,87716|0) - pitch are going up, try to fit them insteal of jacks added notes, i following kick
01:33:361 (93361|1) - suppose to be on 1st column for the instrument follow: 01:32:393 (92393|0,92635|0,92877|0,93119|0) - i think no, it have different sound for this part
01:39:732 (99732|3,99732|2) - pitch kind of different than 01:39:006 (99006|2,99006|3,99248|2,99248|3,99490|3,99490|2) - (lower) same la
01:43:683 (103683|1) - this suppose to be on 1st column "w"
Great diff, i love it thank you <3
Thank you very much for mod KK :)
update ==> http://puu.sh/o83ET/ed96442088.rar
Topic Starter
Spy
Updated.
Critical_Star
chit chat with my dear 'w')
13:27 *Critical_Star is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/927507 P*Light - Gekkou Ranbu [Avalon's 4K ADVANCED Lv.11]]
13:28 Critical_Star: irc?
13:28 [ A v a l o n ]: owo
13:28 [ A v a l o n ]: irc ?
13:28 Critical_Star: mod le
13:28 Critical_Star: xd
13:28 Critical_Star: just a few thing
13:29 [ A v a l o n ]: XD
13:29 *[ A v a l o n ] is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/927507 P*Light - Gekkou Ranbu [Avalon's 4K ADVANCED Lv.11]]
13:29 Critical_Star: 00:26:829 (26829|0,26909|3,26909|2,27070|0) - maybe CTRL+H to make different pattern variation instead only 00:24:248 (24248|0,24329|3,24329|2,25538|0,25619|3,25619|2) -
13:30 [ A v a l o n ]: hmm, seems good
13:30 [ A v a l o n ]: OK
13:30 Critical_Star: 00:28:522 (28522|2,28683|1,29006|2,29167|1) - CTRL+H? to avoid same pattern usage at 00:29:812 (29812|3,29812|2,29974|1,30135|0,30135|3,30296|2,30458|1,30458|0) -
13:30 Critical_Star: 00:53:683 - 00:54:329 - missing crash note? refer 00:51:425 (51425|0) -
13:31 Critical_Star: 01:33:925 (93925|0,94006|2,94006|3,94167|0,94329|3,94329|2,94409|0,94490|2) - CTRL+H could be nice, mirror pattern of 01:32:635 (92635|0,92716|2,92716|3,92877|0,93038|2,93038|3,93119|0,93200|2) -
13:31 [ A v a l o n ]: wait wait
13:31 [ A v a l o n ]: ctrl H is done
13:32 Critical_Star: sorry sorry too fast
13:32 [ A v a l o n ]: about crash, i think it's no need . . . maybe focus to LN just okay xD
13:32 [ A v a l o n ]: lol
13:32 Critical_Star: ok
13:32 Critical_Star: 01:44:248 (104248|0,104329|3,104329|2,104490|0,104651|2,104651|3,104732|0,104812|2) - same thing here too CTRL+H for different pattern variation
13:32 Critical_Star: ok la very nice diff already~ :3
13:33 Critical_Star: only these
13:33 [ A v a l o n ]: lol done all of them xD
13:33 Critical_Star: 'w')b
13:35 [ A v a l o n ]: thank you dear 'w')b
13:35 Critical_Star: np~ 'w')/
13:35 [ A v a l o n ]: you post ?
13:36 Critical_Star: ok
[ A v a l o n ]
prprpr . . .
thanks for polishing my diff CS <3
update ==> http://puu.sh/obzAq/2c9ab1ba54.rar
Topic Starter
Spy
Updated.
Akasha-
some few updates
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448,192,101748,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
192,192,101909,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
320,192,101990,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,102070,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
448,192,102070,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,192,102232,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
320,192,102312,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,102393,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
448,192,102393,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
320,192,102474,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,192,102554,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
320,192,102635,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,102716,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
64,192,102716,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,102958,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,103038,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
448,192,103038,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
64,192,103200,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
448,192,103361,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
64,192,103441,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,103683,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
448,192,103683,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
320,192,103683,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,103845,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
64,192,104006,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
448,192,104006,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,104248,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,104329,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
192,192,104329,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
448,192,104490,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
64,192,104651,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
448,192,104732,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,104812,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
448,192,104974,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
64,192,104974,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
192,192,104974,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,105135,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
64,192,105135,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,105296,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
448,192,105296,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
192,192,105377,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,105458,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
192,192,105619,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
64,192,105619,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
320,192,105780,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
192,192,105861,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,105941,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
64,192,105941,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
320,192,106103,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
192,192,106183,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,106264,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
448,192,106264,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
320,192,106345,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,192,106425,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
320,192,106506,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,106587,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
448,192,106587,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
192,192,106667,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,106748,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
64,192,106909,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
192,192,106909,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
320,192,107070,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
192,192,107151,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,107232,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
448,192,107232,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
192,192,107393,1,0,0:0:0:45:hihat.wav
320,192,107474,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,107554,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
64,192,107554,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
192,192,107635,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,107716,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
448,192,107796,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,192,107877,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
64,192,107877,1,0,0:0:0:65:finish.wav
320,192,108038,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
192,192,108119,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
64,192,108200,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
448,192,108200,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,108361,1,0,0:0:0:80:clap.wav
192,192,108441,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,108522,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
448,192,108522,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,108603,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
192,192,108683,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
320,192,108764,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
64,192,108845,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
448,192,108845,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,108925,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
192,192,109006,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
64,192,109087,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
320,192,109167,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
448,192,109167,1,0,0:0:0:65:finish.wav
448,192,109409,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
320,192,109409,1,0,0:0:0:65:finish.wav
192,192,109651,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
64,192,109651,1,0,0:0:0:65:finish.wav
320,192,109893,1,0,0:0:0:65:finish.wav
192,192,109893,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
448,192,110135,128,0,110458:0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
320,192,110135,128,0,110458:0:0:0:0:
64,192,110458,1,0,0:0:0:80:whistle.wav
192,192,110458,1,0,0:0:0:65:finish.wav
ZZHBOY
mod for that new diff
[Avalon's 4K ADVANCED Lv.11]
00:07:232 - you lost a note for cymbal
00:08:522 - missed cymbal
00:19:087 (19087|1,19329|1) - try to move this to the 4th column, appearancely it's same pitch with 00:17:796 (17796|0,18038|0) - but make a mirror patterns for it might be good
00:22:393 (22393|0) - how about move this to 00:22:232 - for vocal
00:30:700 (30700|0,30941|0) - this one is different pitch than 00:27:877 (27877|0,28119|0,28361|0,28845|0,29167|0,29409|0,29651|0) -
00:33:119 - i don't know you're follow vocal or the BG sound but if it's for BG sound, it does have a sound right here 00:33:119 - but if for vocals, it's 1/3 00:35:054 (35054|3,35135|1,35216|0) -
00:35:700 - BG sound
00:40:296 (40296|1,40619|1) - lost whistle
00:40:941 (40941|0) - here too
01:03:522 (63522|3) - lost whistle
01:17:877 (77877|2,78038|1) - Ctrl + H this, pitch are going higher
01:35:458 (95458|3) - move this to 2, it's more balance than just keep it with 01:34:974 (94974|3,95458|3,95619|3) -
01:47:635 - last stream, how about add a note on here for instrument

call me back then
[ A v a l o n ]

ZZHBOY wrote:

mod for that new diff
[Avalon's 4K ADVANCED Lv.11]
00:07:232 - you lost a note for cymbal it just sounds like previous pattern, i think it's okay
00:08:522 - missed cymbal i check other diff too, seems no cymbal here
00:19:087 (19087|1,19329|1) - try to move this to the 4th column, appearancely it's same pitch with 00:17:796 (17796|0,18038|0) - but make a mirror patterns for it might be good okay, moved
00:22:393 (22393|0) - how about move this to 00:22:232 - for vocal maybe not for now, i'll consider later
00:30:700 (30700|0,30941|0) - this one is different pitch than 00:27:877 (27877|0,28119|0,28361|0,28845|0,29167|0,29409|0,29651|0) - okay, moved
00:33:119 - i don't know you're follow vocal or the BG sound but if it's for BG sound, it does have a sound right here 00:33:119 - but if for vocals, it's 1/3 00:35:054 (35054|3,35135|1,35216|0) - i can clearly hear vocal here 00:33:280 - really
00:35:700 - BG sound i follow vocal la xD
00:40:296 (40296|1,40619|1) - lost whistle added
00:40:941 (40941|0) - here too done
01:03:522 (63522|3) - lost whistle done
01:17:877 (77877|2,78038|1) - Ctrl + H this, pitch are going higher maybe keep, i just fine pressing that pattern form
01:35:458 (95458|3) - move this to 2, it's more balance than just keep it with 01:34:974 (94974|3,95458|3,95619|3) - it's already balance ._.
01:47:635 - last stream, how about add a note on here for instrument as you wish owo)9

call me back then
Thanks for checking owo)b
update ==> http://puu.sh/ofMec/576dde835a.rar
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Checked for pattern quality and dq reason

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2016-08-21 14:12 Spy: 111
2016-08-21 14:12 DE-CADE: 110
2016-08-21 14:12 DE-CADE: okay
2016-08-21 14:13 DE-CADE: lets go with
2016-08-21 14:13 DE-CADE: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/836251 P*Light - Gekkou Ranbu [4K NOVICE Lv.9]]
2016-08-21 14:13 DE-CADE: 00:21:264 (21264|2) - move to 4th? for pitch, it's higher than 00:20:941 (20941|2) -
2016-08-21 14:13 DE-CADE: 00:23:361 (23361|3) - this too, move to 1st
2016-08-21 14:14 Spy: Nope, it is unneeded
2016-08-21 14:14 Spy: both no
2016-08-21 14:14 Spy: No need take it over serious
2016-08-21 14:15 DE-CADE: alright
2016-08-21 14:15 Spy: hm
2016-08-21 14:16 DE-CADE: 00:45:619 (45619|0) - this
2016-08-21 14:16 DE-CADE: move to 00:45:941 - for cymbal instead
2016-08-21 14:16 DE-CADE: 00:45:619 - same sound as 00:12:070 -
2016-08-21 14:17 Spy: Both different
2016-08-21 14:17 Spy: 00:12:070 - main rhythm
2016-08-21 14:17 DE-CADE: sound like soft snare but alright
2016-08-21 14:18 DE-CADE: other than that i found no more
2016-08-21 14:18 Spy: OK
2016-08-21 14:18 DE-CADE: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/927507 P*Light - Gekkou Ranbu [Avalon's 4K ADVANCED Lv.11]]
2016-08-21 14:19 DE-CADE: 00:45:941 - this part http://puu.sh/qIS2F/6dff830c8a.jpg
2016-08-21 14:19 Spy: I fix for him?
2016-08-21 14:19 DE-CADE: 00:46:103 - remove this hold because not in main rhythm
2016-08-21 14:19 DE-CADE: 00:46:425 (46425|2) - move to 4 for pitch
2016-08-21 14:19 DE-CADE: 00:45:941 (45941|1) - move to 3rd for balance
2016-08-21 14:19 DE-CADE: yes
2016-08-21 14:19 Spy: I hope he will agree with that, but ok
2016-08-21 14:20 Spy: done
2016-08-21 14:21 DE-CADE: okay no more problem
2016-08-21 14:21 Spy: ok
2016-08-21 14:32 DE-CADE: oops sorry got call
2016-08-21 14:34 DE-CADE: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/840233 P*Light - Gekkou Ranbu [victorica's 8K Hyper]]
2016-08-21 14:34 DE-CADE: 00:37:151 - add a note on 6th for the string sound
2016-08-21 14:34 DE-CADE: 00:34:570 - same with this
2016-08-21 14:35 Spy: No change this, I don't edit 8K stuffs for not ruin the pattern
2016-08-21 14:35 DE-CADE: well definitely missing string sound on here anyway
2016-08-21 14:36 Spy: But this no change anyway
2016-08-21 14:37 Spy: db may not agree with that
2016-08-21 14:37 DE-CADE: but okay
2016-08-21 14:37 DE-CADE: well yeah
2016-08-21 14:37 Spy: and I don't even know what column should be put if add a note
2016-08-21 14:37 DE-CADE: http://puu.sh/qISI2/a19cf1c0fb.png
2016-08-21 14:38 Spy: I don't think db want that, you know I mean
2016-08-21 14:38 DE-CADE: on iidx 1357 button easy to touch isnt? so i think same with
2016-08-21 14:38 DE-CADE: okay
2016-08-21 14:38 Spy: So my best policy is not change anything there
2016-08-21 14:38 Spy: He always keep his opinions
2016-08-21 14:38 DE-CADE: sure
2016-08-21 14:38 DE-CADE: i will change unrankable issues
2016-08-21 14:38 Spy: yea
2016-08-21 14:38 Spy: anything unrankable?
2016-08-21 14:39 DE-CADE: nah
2016-08-21 14:40 DE-CADE: 01:22:232 (82232|1,82312|4) - this is correct
2016-08-21 14:40 DE-CADE: 01:23:603 (83603|3,83683|6) - should be same????
2016-08-21 14:41 Spy: ??
2016-08-21 14:41 Spy: any problem
2016-08-21 14:41 DE-CADE: i mean 01:23:603 (83603|3,83683|6) - should be on 01:23:522 - and 01:23:603 -
2016-08-21 14:42 DE-CADE: or
2016-08-21 14:42 DE-CADE: 01:22:232 (82232|1,82312|4) - should be on 01:22:312 - and 01:22:393 -
2016-08-21 14:42 Spy: the problem is 01:23:522 - has nothing
2016-08-21 14:42 Spy: no sound here
2016-08-21 14:42 DE-CADE: both are conflicting
2016-08-21 14:43 DE-CADE: oh, so then 01:22:232 (82232|1,82312|4) - move to 01:22:312 - and 01:22:393 - then
2016-08-21 14:43 Spy: 01:22:232 (82232|1,82312|4) - main rhthm, I heard that
2016-08-21 14:43 DE-CADE: okay
2016-08-21 14:43 Spy: but it is okay
2016-08-21 14:43 Spy: I can move
2016-08-21 14:44 DE-CADE: other than that, no more
2016-08-21 14:45 Spy: ok
2016-08-21 14:45 DE-CADE: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/901488 P*Light - Gekkou Ranbu [4K INFINITE Lv.13]]
2016-08-21 14:45 DE-CADE: 00:54:651 (54651|1) - just personal, how about move to 1 ? this 4 mini jack here is not really fit imo
2016-08-21 14:46 Spy: Nope it affect feel after this part
2016-08-21 14:46 Spy: After change this
2016-08-21 14:47 Spy: 00:54:974 (54974|0,54974|1,55054|2,55135|0,55135|3,55216|1,55296|3,55296|2,55458|1,55458|0,55619|3,55619|2) - Will be harder to continue after the pattern
2016-08-21 14:47 DE-CADE: oh i see
2016-08-21 14:50 Spy: any more?
2016-08-21 14:50 DE-CADE: only 2 left, lets me see
2016-08-21 14:52 DE-CADE: okay, aimod no more problems too
2016-08-21 14:52 Spy: ok
2016-08-21 14:52 Spy: so
2016-08-21 14:52 Spy: no more?
2016-08-21 14:52 DE-CADE: hitsound no delay
2016-08-21 14:52 DE-CADE: yes, no more
2016-08-21 14:52 Spy: ok update then
2016-08-21 14:53 DE-CADE: sure
2016-08-21 14:53 Spy: updated
Topic Starter
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stryver12
No more silly DQ because scratches please....
It's the game's fault, not the beatmap's fault.
Surono

stryver12 wrote:

No more silly DQ because scratches please....
It's the game's fault, not the beatmap's fault.
ikr, maybe human error too? lmao.
iiyo

stryver12 wrote:

No more silly DQ because scratches please....
It's the game's fault, not the beatmap's fault.
if it's the game fault why are you exploiting it then



sup guys, time to give 8k leggendaria a mod

[victorica's 8K Leggendaria]

00:10:458 (10458|1,10458|5,10458|0,10538|3,10619|5,10619|7,10700|3,10780|0,10780|5,10780|7,10780|1,10861|3,10941|5,10941|1,11022|3,11103|1,11103|0,11103|7) - generally in scratch maps you REALLY want to avoid patterns like this it is stupidly uncomfortable 00:10:780 (10780|1,10941|1,11103|1) - this part for example

00:11:748 (11748|1,11748|3,11748|0,11909|2,11909|0,11909|4,12070|3,12070|7,12070|5,12070|0,12232|6,12232|4,12393|7,12393|0,12393|1,12393|5) -
this is way to excessive you could get away with just 3 00:11:748 (11748|0,11909|0,12070|0) - here, but adding another here 00:12:393 (12393|1,12393|0) - why

00:12:554 (12554|3,12635|5,12716|1,12716|4,12716|3,12877|4,12877|2) - after doing a scratch this pattern is very uncomfortable

00:17:554 (17554|1,17554|0) - can you not map every scratch part pls
00:18:845 (18845|1,18845|0) - ^
00:20:135 (20135|0) - ^
00:20:377 (20377|0) - this is off timed? shouldn't it be here 00:20:296 (20296|0) - all the rest of them are the same soo ? error? what 00:20:619 (20619|0,20780|0,20941|0,21103|0,21264|0) -

00:20:780 (20780|0) - why is this scratch on finish?

00:22:232 (22232|0) - should be a scratch here

00:27:877 (27877|0) - why is there so many scratches on the finishes

00:29:167 (29167|0) - ?

00:30:941 (30941|0,31103|0,31264|0,31425|0,31587|0) - lol

00:37:877 (37877|0,37958|0,38038|0,38119|0,38200|0) - banana man

00:42:070 (42070|0) - scratches with trills

00:44:651 (44651|0,44651|5,44651|3,44651|7,44812|6,44812|4,44812|0,44812|2,44974|1,44974|3,44974|0,44974|5,45135|2,45135|6,45135|4,45135|0,45296|7,45296|3,45296|5,45296|0) -

00:55:619 (55619|0,55780|0,55941|0) - you can clearly hear the scratches on the blue tick, these are offtimed

01:01:103 (61103|0,61183|0,61264|0,61345|0,61425|0) - banana man 8-)

01:26:990 (86990|3,87070|4,87070|6,87151|3,87151|5) - uncomfortable

01:29:167 (89167|0,89329|0,89490|0,89812|0) - these barely follow anything plus the trill is almost unplayable 01:29:167 (89167|3,89248|5,89329|3,89409|5,89490|3) -

01:31:103 (91103|0) - you add a scratch here, but don't add another one here? 01:32:393 (92393|0) - or here? 01:32:070 (92070|0) - even tho theres a ping sound

01:34:409 (94409|3,94490|5,94490|1,94490|7,94570|3,94570|6,94651|2,94651|7,94651|4,94651|1) - please remove that trill

01:37:716 (97716|0) - scratch should be here?

01:38:361 (98361|0) - ?

01:47:877 (107877|0) - here to 01:50:458 (110458|1) - all scratch patterns and overall chart is very inconsistent, it seems it's not really following anything



i am not trying to bash on this chart, but the overall chart is very inconsistent and the scratches are blindly placed with no audio feedback on where to scratch some being on the finishes and some being on the ping/ting sounds. *not sure what they are called* also theres banana man like scratches which require dual scratch and osu doesn't have that feature so it's a bit unrankable unless you use macros and keybinds to do so, that's the only way to hit some of those unless ur yuko and you can smash ur pinky and jack scratch
Akasha-
for the love of everything
why?
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