Really nice patch for competetive play this week. Hopefully it'll tone down a bit of the crying coming out from Puppey/Bulba/Western Pro Scene.

GAMEPLAY
- Fixed some bugs with Pounce movement restriction.
- Fixed being able to cast and attack while using Skewer.
- Fixed Empower buff remaining after casting Black King Bar.
- Fixed Neutral creep chase time being too long.
- Added Pseudo Random chances for the following items: Daedalus, Crystalys, Abyssal Blade, Basher, Heaven's Halbred, Maelstrom, Mjollnir, Static Charge, Monkey King Bar, Poor Man's Shield, Sange, Sange and Yasha, Stout Shield, Vanguard.
- Fixed various ancient AI exploits.

AUDIO
- Some voice gain fixes to improve quality.
- Updates on sound effects for Visage, Viper, Warlock, Tiny and Earthshaker.

MISC
- Fixed an issue where players would not be able to reconnect to a server and would get "You must be in a lobby to connect."
- Undying's Tombstone now caps at 64 maximum zombies.

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- Fixed being able to cast and attack while using Skewer.
Big problem people were having when dealing with Mag. He'll still be super strong, but this will help a bit dealing with him.

- Fixed Neutral creep chase time being too long.
No more mid pulling? Fuck yeah~
- Added Pseudo Random chances for the following items: Daedalus, Crystalys, Abyssal Blade, Basher, Heaven's Halbred, Maelstrom, Mjollnir, Static Charge, Monkey King Bar, Poor Man's Shield, Sange, Sange and Yasha, Stout Shield, Vanguard.
This is nice, specially for crit items and basher.

- Added Pseudo Random chances for the following items: Daedalus, Crystalys, Abyssal Blade, Basher, Heaven's Halbred, Maelstrom, Mjollnir, Static Charge, Monkey King Bar, Poor Man's Shield, Sange, Sange and Yasha, Stout Shield, Vanguard.

I don't get this

What don't you get? It's Pseudo Random for items. Previously it was just for crit like on PA and such (I think). Pseudo Random is basically a mechanic that makes it so you don't go on long unlucky or lucky streaks with chance items and abilities.

If you really wanna read about it, here u go http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7993

With pseudo-random you can "sort of" control when you are going to crit, so you can plan ganks easier.

Lets take PA for example

PA has 15% (8% pseudo, can't remember) chance of critting when he hits a target. For everytime he hits a target and he did NOT crit, his crit-chance will increase by a certain amount (8% or so). So this way, before a gank, you hit a creep a few times, hope that you dont crit, and then jump on the opponent, your chances of critting will be much higher. Once you crit, the chance of critting will go back to 15% (8%).

I'm not 100% sure of the values, a bit tricky, you can read more about it on the dota wiki, but that's the basics of it.

EDIT: but in this case it was about items, but it works the same (block with vanguard etc).

Pseudo Random is not yet balanced as far as I see in dota 2 compared to dota 1 yet.
Just like the other time when I was using Ogre Magi and trying out with Pseudo Random,
he will do a 4x Multicast 2 times in a row after a certain period of time.
After some time I think they fixed this.

i can confirm that it is quite reliable now, i get it on average every fourth hit, rarely twice in a row, for 25% chance.

I haven't played much Dota in a while so Gaben wants me to invite 4 friends to form a team or something

i dont even know how this hero works

Just watch one of the Spiderman movies.

What is that Rizzrack hero ?

It's the first time I've ever heard of that name. Looks rly HoN/LoL-ish, why don't they just bring in the original DotA heroes like Pit Lord, Techies, Troll Warlord n stuff :/

Not sure if serious, but it's Goblin shredder, however they can't use the original name because of copyright(?)

http://www.playdota.com/heroes/goblin-shredder

IIRC he was released with tresdin and skywrath mage (1 hero patch before arc warden and winter wyvern)

YaphetS playing timbersaw in wc3

Some of you never played W3 DotA?

Shame on you.

Anyway, I hate Justin Timbersaw, it's pretty boring and odd (aesthetically).

Drow got nerfed, and some sets are going to be released by Policount contest.

Yeah, happy x-mas.



I don't know why I get MKB, but I think it was bought to kill Mortred.

I'd been playing WC3 DotA since 2007, I've just stopped playing since the addition of those shitty heroes 'coz I got my beta key this year January or so lol

elves/goblins/pandas/dwarves are blizzard copyrights >_>

stopped playing wc3 dota after HoN came out. that's why i dont know goblin shredder

Gabi wrote:

IIRC he was released with tresdin and skywrath mage (1 hero patch before arc warden and winter wyvern)

And Ember Spirit (the fire panda).

IMO he is one of those really overrated heroes. Just because he is featured in many Top 10 Videos and whatnot doesn't mean he is good. Basically it is the same thing with Meepo. Yes, you can do cool stuff but in general he is meh. Of those 4 heroes he is clearly the weakest one. Then again Skywrath Mage was the only heroe of those 4 I really played. Legion Commander was just boring and Ember Spirit was...I didn't really understood this hero.

But hes so fucking fun to play @_@

motherfuck i always lose to timbersaw ashd ajshdjlahsdfkahsdjkpasd

Ancient Apparition
- Chilling Touch manacost rescaled from 140 to 110/120/130/140

Batrider
- Batrider can no longer attack while using Flaming Lasso

Bounty Hunter
- Track no longer reduces armor

Centaur
- Movement speed decreased from 305 to 300
- Double Edge no longer interrupts channeling
- Stampede now applies a 100% slow instead of a stun (as always, units cannot be slowed below 100 movement speed)

Clockwerk
- Agility growth increased from 1.2 to 2.3

Dazzle
- Shallow Grave cast range rescaled from 400/600/800/1000 to 550/700/850/1000

Doom Bringer
- Scorched Earth now also affects other units you control
- Doom now has too much armor! (+1)

Drow Ranger
- Trueshot Aura now only affects non-hero units within 900 range of Drow

Earthshaker
- Aftershock stun duration rescaled from 0.3/0.7/1.2/1.5 to 0.6/0.9/1.2/1.5
- Aftershock damage increased from 25/45/75/115 to 50/75/100/125
- Enchant Totem cooldown decreased from 6 to 5

Enchantress
- Untouchable AS reduction increased from 20/40/60/80 to 20/50/80/110

Jakiro
- Ice Path damage from 100 to 25/50/75/100

Lycanthrope
- Base Int increased from 15 to 17
- Spirit Wolves armor increased by 1

Magnus
- Skewer no longer affects magic immune units
- Skewer cast range rescaled from 1200 to 600/800/1000/1200
- Reverse Polarity duration decreased from 2.5/3.25/4 to 2.25/3/3.75

Medusa
- Stone Gaze cooldown decreased from 140/110/80 to 140/100/60

Mirana
- Moonlight Shadow duration increased from 11 to 15 seconds

Morphling
- Cast animation time decreased from 0.4 to 0.25

Necrolyte
- Reaper's Scythe stun/delay increased from 1 to 1.5 seconds

Omniknight
- Purification cast range rescaled from 400/500/600/700 to 700

Phoenix
- Sun Ray max range decreased from 1600 to 1300
- Sun Ray base damage decreased from 16/24/32/40 to 15/20/25/30
- Sun Ray now ends if you are stunned or silenced
- Fixed some Sunray lag issues

Puck
- Illusory Orb cooldown decreased from 13 to 12

Pugna
- Decrepify cooldown decreased from 13/11/9/7 to 12/10/8/6

Shadow Demon
- Shadow Poison cooldown decreased from 3 to 2.75

Slark
- Base agility increased by 6

Spectre
- Haunt no longer ends when you use reality (the targeted illusion is still replaced by you though)

Sven
- Great Cleave damage decreased from 25/40/55/70 to 20/35/50/65
- Warcry duration decreased from 8 to 7 seconds

Templar Assassin
- Refraction manacost increased from 75 to 100

Terrorblade
- Movement speed increased by 5

Treant Protector
- Damage increased by 10
- Leech Seed cooldown decreased from 18/16/14/12 to 16/14/12/10
- Overgrowth cooldown decreased from 80 to 70
- Living Armor damage instances increased from 6 to 7
- Living Armor can be cast through the minimap (only considers heroes and towers/rax in this mode)

Undying
- Decay damage reduced from 40/80/120/160 to 20/60/100/140

Vengeful Spirit
- Wave of Terror damage increased from 18.75/37.5/56.25/75 to 30/50/70/90

Viper
- Base strength increased by 3

Warlock
- Shadow Word cooldown decreased from 20 to 16

Weaver
- Shukuchi damage increased from 90/100/110/120 to 90/110/130/150

Winter Wyvern
- Arctic Burn cooldown decreased from 60/50/40/30 to 50/40/30/20
- Splinter Blast cooldown decreased from 8 to 7
- Fixed Arctic Burn vs Roshan

Zeus
- Strength growth increased from 1.8 to 2.3




Buriza-do Kyanon
- Crit multiplier decreased from 2.7 to 2.4
- Recipe cost decreased from 1200 to 1000

Crystalys
- Damage decreased from 35 to 30

Eye of Skadi
- HP bonus increased from 200 to 250
- MP bonus increase from 150 to 250

Shiva's Guard
- Freezing Aura's attack speed reduction increased from 25 to 30




* Harpy's Chain Lightning manacost reduced from 90 to 50


GG DOOM

Why did clock get an agility buff ? armor ? Why not just add armor then, and what does extra agility provide to Clock ? Why would he need more attack speed. tzzz...icefrog..

"track no longer reduces armor"

what, why?
at least -manacost/+movementspeed/+bounty :<

IMO its fine. It already gives you bonus gold and move speed in an AOE. Taking off the armor is fine, and the skill still does its job. It doesn't need to do all that extra.

Roof is still gettin' buffed.

how do u mute teammates' VoiP?

a teammate played a justin gayber song. ruined my play a lot. we still won tho

There's a speaker icon that you can click in the scoreboard. It also blocks their chat IIRC.

Why nerf my beloved batrider T-T

Anyways, nice patch.

I'm gonna leave this right here...

Hardly a big nerf.

BR needs a Str gain nerf or something. He's so tanky...

im just so shocked at icefrogs incompetency when it comes to balance. his hero concepts and design and implementation are great. but look at previous lycan/nagas/invokers/ current templar/sven/twinhead/batrider, or the opposite end dogshit heroes such as morphling/meepo/doom/tree. he has shown after every single patch that he is simply incapable of balancing the game at a competetive or even pub level. fuck icefrog

what? lol lycan is fine. Situational sure, but fine. He's even more potent now with the little buffs. Invoker is 100% fine too... They just shift in and out of the game.

TA got a little nerf, that mana hit will make it so he can't spam refract so much, it'll def hurt her laning a bit. Sven is fine. The God's Strength is a bit rediculous, but def manageable. The little nerfs did him right and so did the crit new. Twin head is fine, specially with the damage nerf.

Icefrog balances fine. Sometimes he may overbuff or underbuff a bit, but he tweaks well and accordingly to the public and competitive players.

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

what? lol lycan is fine. Situational sure, but fine. He's even more potent now with the little buffs. Invoker is 100% fine too... They just shift in and out of the game.

TA got a little nerf, that mana hit will make it so he can't spam refract so much, it'll def hurt her laning a bit. Sven is fine. The God's Strength is a bit rediculous, but def manageable. The little nerfs did him right and so did the crit new. Twin head is fine, specially with the damage nerf.

Icefrog balances fine. Sometimes he may overbuff or underbuff a bit, but he tweaks well and accordingly to the public and competitive players.

previous lycans/invokers. yeah they got less broken after patch, lycan is fine right now, invoker still kinda fucked. but yeah. morphling goes from god tier to utter shit tier. icefrog doesnt know what he is doing. i think twin heads icepath lvl 1 damage nerf will make him balanced, though. i just cant get over templar assassin. so fucking overopwered

yeah death prophet most underrated hero ever.
Souls need major nerf. seriously.

yet it got buffed on 6.69

imo invoker is fine. he can't throw more than 3 skills early game. and by the time he gets scepter, an enemy BKB should be up by that time

Calm down, icefrog just doesnt want the same heroes always being picked, and looks like he got sick of morph, so he puts him into unpickable category.

would there be any interest in making some inhouse(s) happen at some point?

[AirCoN] wrote:

Calm down, icefrog just doesnt want the same heroes always being picked, and looks like he got sick of morph, so he puts him into unpickable category.

That's exactly how you do it wrong. You're not supposed to make overpowered heroes into heroes which are unplayable because they just became way too crappy. You have to just worsen them a bit so they've got the same power as all other heroes. Sven for example was bad and became overpowered instead of just good. Morphling was overpowered and became way-too-shitty -> unpickable.
You do it like this :
bad -> medium/good
overpowered -> medium/good
Not :
overpowered -> bad
bad -> overpowered,
he just comepletely walks past the balance.

Of course what is medium/good always depends on the situation and how you play the hero, not how the hero itself is.
Overpowered is sth, else, overpowered heroes just fit in everywhere and crush everything at any given time

Easier said than done. There is no way he doesn't have that in his mind, or else this game wouldn't have even existed.

You guys surely haven't played League of Legends, Dota 2/DotA is really balanced, yeah some heroes are better than others, some people say TA is OP, some people say Lycan is worse than meepo, and so on and so forth, but overall the game is really balanced, and yet if some heroes are not THAT balanced you always can find a way around them, for example buying situational items, smoke ganks, etc.

This new frostivus patch is funny as hell, but pretty hard if you dont have a good greevil since you get no bonuses from it.

I can't stop watching this... also, The winner sets of the polycount have been added.