Xinely wrote:

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General :
- http://puu.sh/pWM1r/f972b62941.png The reason for this is different background
- any metadata confirmation? I am not sure where I can get the confirmation :/ I will look for it

Easy :
- AR 4 is too fast for newbie. use AR 3 and OD HP 2 Changed
- 00:06:078 (1) - somehow 224,60 is better for flow Changed
- 00:27:411 - finish due cymbal added
- 00:31:911 (4,5) - 1/2 isnt allowed for easy especially this bpm isnt low removed
- 00:31:244 - 00:31:911 - 00:32:744 - finish due cymbal Regards to all the cymbal related mods: I personally do not like using finish too many times, because it could be bit loud and distracting (this seem to be somewhat matter of personal opinion, based on what I've heard from other mappers). However, I think there are some spots that could use a finish. Added finish on: 00:35:411 - 00:38:078 - 00:48:744 - 00:51:411 - 00:56:744 - . Applied to all the other diffs as well.
- 00:35:411 - 00:36:578 - 00:37:244 - 00:38:078 - ^ see above
- 00:37:244 (4,5) - same as 00:31:911 (4,5) - changed
- 00:39:578 (3,4) - 00:52:911 (4,5) - 00:54:744 (3,4) - ^ Changed
- 00:46:911 (2,3) - ^ and damn no 1/2 slider repeat combined with 1/2 circle. its normal diff pattern Changed
- 00:48:744 - 00:48:078 - 00:51:411 (1) - 00:54:078 - 00:56:744 - finish too see above
- 00:48:744 (1) - actually i dont understand why slider's tail end at redtick, i dont hear any strong music there so try http://puu.sh/pVOvF/669a2bf2a7.jpg instead Changed
- and more 1/2 rhythms you have in kiai time until end, im tired to mention one by one and im sure you already understand it All fixed now

Normal :
- 00:09:244 - the music's pitch is strong so try map it as possible Agreed, but I think 00:08:744 - 00:09:078 - 00:09:411 - 00:09:578 - 00:09:744 - 00:09:911 - all have stronger pitch than 00:09:244 -, so if I map all of them to, it will be too high density of 1/2 notes, and I am not sure how to do that without making it too difficult (especially for non-kiai time)
- 00:14:578 - ^ ^
- 00:17:911 (3) - flow feels a bit too rightward, try make it smoother with 436,304. if agree then fix spacing for next note changed
- 00:20:578 (3) - need finish due music
- 00:22:078 - usually we dont map strong cymbal with slider's tail, clickable object like circle or slider's head work better >< Changed
- 00:23:078 (4) - somehow the flow feels a bit unnatural for me, try http://puu.sh/pWK70/d59fdb8b3f.jpg Changed
- 00:29:411 (5) - change to 1/2 slider, the music still continue until 00:29:578 - I feel like music there is relatively small. I think it's bad to leave out for higher diff, but I think I will be compromising playability too much if I feel all the similar beats with circle/sliders.
- 00:30:744 (2,3) - usually a bit hard to keep use circle after 1/2, try make them easier with combine to 1/2 slider repeat changed
- 00:38:744 (2,3) - ^ if possible ^
- 01:02:578 (2,3) - flow's will be nice if you arrange like http://puu.sh/pWKs8/19ade8c091.jpg to get natural flow Changed

Hard :
- 00:23:244 (1) - will be good if tail is in 32,136 so symmetrical with next slider Slight asymmetry looks better for me, so if it's more of a subjective stuff, I'd like to keep it
- 00:25:911 (4) - try 260,88? a mini jump for strong music Changed
- 00:48:744 (1) - move to 384,44 00:48:911 (2) - 296,56 to make better flow. current flow from slider's tail to (1), i kinda dislike due sharp transition Changed
- 00:54:078 (1) - try make blanket here for neater design? http://puu.sh/pWL0n/0c7504848b.jpg Changed
- 01:05:411 (4) - 444,248 for natural circular flow Changed
- 01:14:244 (2) - random jump for (3), try avoid that with move this circle to 144,192
- nice <3

Insane :
- AR is too fast for SV you use and your cs pattern and jumps pattern.. try AR 8,5 instead I wanted relatively high ar because of high BPM and note density. I'll lower it to 8.7

Extra :
- 00:26:411 (2) - too far for weak sound here. try move to 264,244 instead Changed
- try 00:45:744 (5) - 240,176 00:45:911 (6) - 404,248. current flow from (6) to 00:46:078 (1) - feels too sharp This look good :3
- 00:57:411 (3) - 140,36 to keep use 1,2x ds for next circle Changed
- 01:07:744 (1) - no need to NC here, we clearly read the 1/4 Changed
- 01:23:078 (5) - nc here so we can read if this slider's rhythm gap is 1/2 (since before you did 1/1 anti jumps) added. Should I remove NC at 01:23:411 (1) - ...?
- 01:27:244 (4) - 304,16 for smoother flow Changed

Sweet Nekos :
- you cant use "<3" in highest diff as its unicode which doesnt make sense p/4852888 (altho bakari said like that but we debated in game and ended with i had to remove "<3") I've seen others do it though Changed </3
- OD 9 is too high imo, use 8,5 instead If it's not a big deal, I'd like to keep OD9. This map has no stream, very few 1/4, lots of jumps. I think high OD fits well.

you're free to call me after remove those issues on easy diff and find 2 more mods for Insane above (im not good for judging hard diffs)

Xinely wrote:

find 2 more mods for Insane above (im not good for judging hard diffs)

Saut wrote:

!!

!

"I only need mod on Insane, Extra, and Sweet Neko </3" queue

hello


insane
- 00:17:411 - is quite strong because of the drum+the other sound. Sooo increase the ds here for some emphasis would be a good idea. (like you already did here 00:20:078 - or here 00:18:828 - or here 00:22:744 - or here 00:25:411 (4) - .... ) example what you could do without changin too much http://puu.sh/pX8On/77b67da474.jpg Changed
- 00:25:911 (7) - same goes for this one. Doing this is kinda sweet http://puu.sh/pX8W4/63f3d619cc.jpg as you kinda did here 00:49:411 (5,6,7,1) - Changed
- 00:41:911 (4) - hidden circle kinda surprised me here, especially in combination with the "huge" jumps. If you feel the same you could http://puu.sh/pX943/07e9dfcdba.jpg Changed
- 00:50:411 (3,4,5,6,7) - could deform this to a beautiful hexagon tho http://puu.sh/pX9h7/6f74c41e53.jpg Changed
- what i also would like to adress is how you often tend to place objects extremly close side by side like 01:03:244 (1,2,3,4) - which could easily be changed to smth llike http://puu.sh/pX9wz/74b1b6302c.jpg. Makes the diff even more beautiful tbh B-) Changed, reorganized the entire area a bit :3


extra
- the last point also applies to the extra eg 00:32:744 (1,2,3,4,5) - Changed
- 00:48:744 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - personally i would reduce the spacing here slightly even though the focal is stronger and leave the huge jumps for the kiai Hmm... if it's just to emphasize kiai, I prefer to keep the DS
- 00:55:244 (1) - might be because im crazy but it looks kinda like 00:54:078 (1) - so i figured it would be as fast as that slider. Picking an other form to emphasize the slowdown would probably be the best (goes great with the prev slider http://puu.sh/pXaew/6bb2427079.jpg) I am terrible at shaping slider with more than 2 anchors, so I hope mine didn't turn out too bad :3 Changed


neko
i dislike how 01:14:744 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - and01:04:078 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - are like 5x harder than the rest of the map but no one really cares bout stuff like this and it should be fine to leave it as it is T-then I'll keep it as is.
however i would recommend adding jumps here 01:12:078 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3) - 01:12:078 (4,6) - should definitly be more emphasized :< hmm, I heard feedback from two players that this part is too difficult as is because of the particular flow I'm using. I think it also captures the transition of the music pretty well, so I prefer to keep it

also
places you should consider adding finishes: 00:57:911 - 00:59:411 (1) - 01:02:578 - 01:03:244 - 01:04:078 - 01:04:744 - 01:10:078 - 01:13:244 - 01:13:911 - 01:15:078 - 01:15:411 - 01:16:578 - 01:18:078 - 01:21:911 - 01:22:578 - 01:22:911 - 01:23:411 - and so on, its quite obv xx
places you should consider removing finishes: 01:10:244 - 01:10:244 - finish removed
01:02:578 - 01:04:078 - 01:04:744 - 01:13:244 - 01:15:078 (3) - finish added. other places, I prefer to leave without finish.


nice diffs, pretty much good to go imo
good luck

Lasse wrote:

Xinely wrote:

find 2 more mods for Insane above (im not good for judging hard diffs)

hi, you posted in my queue and guess who's one of my favorite vocalists I actually remembered seeing "yuikonnu" on your userpage xD She has beautiful voice :3
(hint)

metadata:
http://primary-yuiko.com/8th_album/sweet&#39;s_holiday/
add "meis clauson" to tags as he is the other memeber of primary
also "c81" would be nice as it was released there
you can also add some other things from the staff section of the album page to your tags if you want
"Sweet’s Holiday" is wrong, it should be "Sweet's Holiday" (yes they are different, look at the apostrophe) I see absolutely no difference whatsoever, so I'll just copy what you wrote into the tag, and hopefully that fixes it ?_?
it would also be great if you could link the album page in the description to support the artist! New tags added, and I will link the album page soon :3

general:
mp3 quality is rather poor at 128kbit, I could provide a better one, but yours is some cut version so gg

[sweet]
ar 9.3 is not needed here, it just feels too much for how simple the song and your patterns are, 9-9.2 are better suited I have no good reason for using AR 9.3, other than that note density of this diff is relatively high, and I personally like somewhat high ar. I can write an essay a rant about AR for paragraphs, but I'll just say I think it "fits"
00:00:911 (2,3) - it feels like your spacing got messes up, 3 is way stronger, but you put a jump on 2 ?? That is because I gave emphasis based on the pitch, I thought they all had similarly weak sound. Now I see 3 is louder, but I am keeping it for now :3
well at least you do it consistently for the intro lol
00:09:244 (3) - why is such major sound stacked, 00:06:911 (4) - makes more sense // 00:14:411 (2,3) - too
similar for 00:23:911 (3,4) - , also inconsistent with similar ones like 00:29:244 (3,4,5) - where spacing makes more sense. I stacked them because I think those sounds are repeated sounds, where second repeat is significantly smaller than the first. So 00:09:078 - is louder than 00:09:244 - , but both sounds alike. I thought stack captured it well.
ranndomly stopping on rather strong sounds just feels weird
00:13:244 (4,5,6,1) - can you make those overlaps more even/consistent for visuals? Fixed
00:35:744 (2,3) - this one actually makes sense with the music since red tick is rather weak! For me, same logic applies here :3
00:36:911 (2) - similar spacing as 00:31:578 (2) - would make sense since it's basically the same and rather strong // 00:51:078 (5) - Multiple people doesn't seem to like it. This was a decision I made after studying some of other maps (I think it was rizia and eIness maps, I need can look for it if necessary), whether to keep spacing consistent or make sliders better looking. And I settled for the latter. 1/4 spacing sliders can have very large jumps, so I think we can say both have very small spacing so difficulty difference is negligible.
00:38:078 (1,3) - this looks so off and kills aesthetics, how about changing 1 http://i.imgur.com/iauHYb1.jpgChanged
00:39:911 (3,4) - more stacks that dont work for me. music is so consistent but you randomly stop and then go back to jumps ; / Same reasoning as above
01:00:244 (5) - small jump here like 01:00:911 (2) - fits the music much better // 01:02:911 (5) - Same reasoning as above
01:10:911 (5,2) - those might be okay with that spacing cause music is weaker Again, same reason :3 I don't think this amount of spacing effects difficulty much. This one has smaller spacing because of sharp turn at 01:11:578 (2,3) -
01:12:411 (6) - having such an obtuse pattern gives this not the emphasis it deserves. try to get some acute angle on this This map contains a lot of sharp angles as is. I think this captures the transition rather well.
01:14:744 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - praise 2016 :3
same comments for last part as for the intro about stacks etc See above
01:29:411 (1) - why is this suddenly a huge jump, nothing in the music ipmplies such a drastic change Changed
01:27:744 (2) - gradually decreasing sv and volume until the end would fir with the song fading out Volume now fades to 30%.

[ex]
spacing of the intro for this diff makes more sense lol
00:07:244 (1,3,6) - same overlap for visuals, current looks just so random, like you ran out of spots to put the circle lol that's a nice way to put it. I reorganized the overlaps.
00:15:244 (1,2,3) - the 1/2 sliders on the other diffs are the better option I think this is a nice variation before transition.
00:17:078 (2,4) - could be cleaner like http://i.imgur.com/kD6fRpj.jpg I am not sure what's makes one better looking than other in regards to overlaps like this, but yours look better ~_~ changed!
00:37:744 (4) - why is this suddenly stacked when it's so important ; / // 00:38:578 (2,3) - Suggestion from previous mod, I think for the look.
00:48:744 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - would be nice to have some buildup in the jumps instead of starting that huge already. sth simple like moving 2 like this http://i.imgur.com/k2yIy7X.jpg would work already Changed
00:57:578 (4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,2,3,5) - this feels so messy with all the random overlaps Clicking the link makes the overlap look pretty bad, but I think it's reasonably well organized in the editor/while playing. For example, previous notes aren't even visible on the editor when 01:00:411 (5) - appears. I think they look fine, possibly except for 00:57:078 (2,1,3,7) -, which I'll change if BNs think its necessary.
01:02:578 (3) - how about making it like http://i.imgur.com/6pyDH12.jpg or http://i.imgur.com/ljMA8EF.jpg palys similar and works much better with 1 I love slider mods because I can't shape them :/
01:03:244 (1,3) - could you not http://i.imgur.com/Q80FIEg.jpg oke xD
01:03:744 (3,4,5) - 1/4 and 1/2 spacing that look exactly the same gg Changed
01:07:411 (1) - why no jump here like on the ones before, it's even stronger and start of the chorus, lowering spacing makes no sense here Same reasoning as before. Here, drastic SV change is intended to account for stronger sound
01:07:744 (2) - should also have a jump then => how about sth like http://i.imgur.com/vDHS5u8.jpg ? Well.. I'm actually gonna change it to your suggestion because it looks nicer xD.
01:10:578 (4,1) - can you make this cleaner? like http://i.imgur.com/h2jsgC1.jpg (4 is not offscreen) This is the second mod I got on this shape, and I don't have strong opinion on this... so changed
01:15:578 (2) - having way more spacing on this than 01:15:744 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - makes like no sense with the music Don't :cry. Changed~

[insane]
literally same comments about stacks as higher diffs My response is the same too
00:14:411 (2,4,1,2,3,4) - like seen on higher diffs you like to overlap a lot, that is fine, but if you dont get some spacing strucutre etc behind them it just looks messy and random ; / Cleaned out the overlap a bit. The general rule of thump I use for this is that I try to avoid overlaps as long as notes are simultaneously visible on the editor. I feel like you have higher standard
00:18:744 (4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - there are other parts of the screen you can also use lol That was not planned out very well. Changed
00:25:911 (7) - why not place it somewhere where it looks cleaner like http://i.imgur.com/AxiRG8M.jpg or similar Changed from precious mod
01:03:578 (2,4) - http://i.imgur.com/YIOxCpK.jpg this hurts Changed from previous mod
01:08:578 (1) - why such low spacing on this strong sound o: Same reasoning as before, but I increased DS a little bit because doing so doesn't effect the look very much.
01:23:744 (2,3,4,5) - pls dont put slowdowns like this on such obtuse angles, it's a pain to snap and requires lots of momentum control Changed

i disagreee with some spacing choices, but my main concern are rather messy visuals (mostly the overlaps with lacking structure) and some random stacks. even though judging from what's getting qualified daily that probably doesn't matter for ranking
but it matters if you want to make good things and not just acceptable ones! That's a good point, and I know this mapset is far from being perfect, although I hope it will be ranked in next few weeks. That is because improvement of the map's quality will be less and less noticeable as I spend more time in it, think of it as exponential decay. At earlier stages, modders will catch some major issues with a map, and major changes will be made - with significant improvement in quality. At this stage, however, I am mostly tweaking notes a few pixels at a time to get the map closer to "perfection", but improvement will be barely noticeable to players. And obviously it will never reach "perfection". At some point, I have to call it "good enough", and if the mapping community (i.e. modders, BNs, and QATs) agree, I'd like to push it forward. Hopefully, this map is good to go and my future maps will even be better with lessons I learned from the modders like you <3.

gl
I didn't even like the song that much when I stzarted modding this, even though it's yuiko. but I'm starting to feel like mapping a full version of this now lol

Kisses wrote:

I dont want to start a fuss or anything but '<3' has been used a few times in ranked maps
examples in my song library
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/580583
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/703657 (this one was by fycho xd)

sahuang wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/703657
Highest diff name is <3 so i guess it's permitted depending on circumstances?

GimBab wrote:

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[General]

1. 00:00:745 (1) - 스피너타이밍이 약간 애매하긴 합니다만.. 다른방법이 도무지 생각이 나질 않네요 :3
2. 전체적으로 멜로디를 주로 따르셔서 그런지 하위난이도들의 체감난이도가 약간 어려운 느낌을 받았네요음... 멜로디 따기는 더 어려웠어요 ㅜ.ㅜ 제 능력상 이게 최대한 쉽게 만든겁니다 ㅋㅋ

[Easy]

1. 00:06:078 (1,2,3) - 00:11:411 (1,2) - 과 같은 리듬인데 초반부분을 서클로 둠으로 더 어렵게 만드신 이유가 있나요? 없습니다. 수정했습니다
2. 00:44:911 (4,5) - 서클로 두시니까 다음 노트까지의 공백이 너무 길어 어색해지네요. 다른 채보를 생각해보심이 어떠신지?? 이지에 어느정도 공백은 좋다고 생각합니다
   
3. 00:46:078 (1,2,3) - 이부분은 리드음을 드럼으로 하셨는데, 보컬음이 더 강조되어야할 부분이라고 생각합니다. 채보를 이렇게 바꿔보시는게 난이도상으로도 좋지 않을까요..? 개인적으로 지금 채보가 좋기 때문에 그냥 놨두겠습니다
4. 00:49:411 (2,3,4) - 위의 모딩을 수렴하신다면의 이야기입니다만, 일관성을 위해 이부분도 드럼이던 리드음을 보컬로 변환해주는게 좋을것 같습니닷. ex) ^
   
5. 01:05:411 (2,3,4,5,6) - Easy치고는 약간 어렵지 않을까요..? 노말난이도의 같은 타이밍과 비교해봐도 더 어려울 정도로 Easy치고는 어렵다는 느낌이 강하네요

[Normal]

1. 00:22:744 (2,3) - 이부분도 그냥 00:17:411 (2) - 여기처럼 슬라이더 1개로 해주는편이 좋지않을까요..? 원래 둘 다 서클이었는데, 첫 노트 부터 서클을 넣으면 어려울것 같아서 슬라로 했습니다. 두번째는 약간 변화를 줬다고 생각해 주시면 될듯...
2. 00:40:744 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 박자읽기가 약간 힘들어보이고, 의도하신게 가사를 리드음으로 하신것 같아서 채보를 이렇게 바꿔보았습니다.음... 드럼 비트 따라가는 일관성을 위해 놨두겠습니다

[Insane]

1. 00:29:744 (6,1) - 해당 부분에서는 넓은 점프가 어울리진 않는다고 생각되는데 해당 난이도에서의 가장 넓은 점프를 이 두 노트사이에 두신것은 어울리지 않다고 생각합니다. 강조될만 한 소리라고 생각됩니다. 그리고 슬라-슬라 점프라 비교적 쉽다고 생각해요
2. 00:39:578 (2) - 이 노트 하나만 어색하게 느껴지네요 잘 모르겠네요 :3
3. 00:41:244 (2) - 이 노트가 기왕이면 00:40:744 (1) - 이 노트까지 감싸주었다면 더 깔끔하지 않을까 생각합니다.수정했습니다

[Extra]

1. 00:54:078 (1) - ..모양이 뭔가 어색하네요음... 제가 슬라 모양을 잘 못 잡아서... 슬라 모양내기 공부 하고 오겠습니다

Hard는 도와드릴게 딱히 없었고 최고난이도는 제가 도움을 못드릴것같네요

Xinely wrote:

ok lets try

Spork Lover wrote:

Yo, just here to give a little heads up; There's an unrankable issue on Sweet Neko, where the first timing point and the inherited point (same timestamp) have different hitsound samples. 00:00:745 - One uses soft-custom-sample1 and the other one uses soft-custom-sample4. This needs to be fixed before ranking, since they're ONLY allowed if it's to change SV

While you're at it, 00:06:078 - , the inherited points in the normal and hard are unsnapped by a bit if you wanna fix that lol

If I pass the BN test, I'll be back to check it xd

CaffeAmericano wrote:

Spork Lover wrote:

Yo, just here to give a little heads up; There's an unrankable issue on Sweet Neko, where the first timing point and the inherited point (same timestamp) have different hitsound samples. 00:00:745 - One uses soft-custom-sample1 and the other one uses soft-custom-sample4. This needs to be fixed before ranking, since they're ONLY allowed if it's to change SV

While you're at it, 00:06:078 - , the inherited points in the normal and hard are unsnapped by a bit if you wanna fix that lol

If I pass the BN test, I'll be back to check it xd

Ah, those must have slipped by me, thanks for letting me know! I think alacat will be modding it shortly, so I will make corrections along with the mod.

alacat wrote:

Nice mapset! will check this for qualify tomorrow

alacat wrote:

Nice mapset! will check this for qualify tomorrow

1. You must use hitsounds. Without these, things get way too monotonous as you are throwing away one of the main elements of variation present in mapping. You don't need to place them on every note (and are discouraged from doing so), but they must at least be frequently heard when playing.

alacat wrote:

Easy :
00:19:078 (3) - missing a clap?
01:25:744 (3) - ^ claps added at 00:19:078 (3) - 00:24:411 (3) - 01:20:411 (3) - 01:25:744 (3) -
00:45:744 - I feel empty on here. try to follow the vocal sound like this ? ok


Normal :
00:06:072 - snap green section to here ? 00:06:078 - fixed

Hard :
00:06:072 - snap green section to here ? 00:06:078 - fixed
00:37:744 (5) - fix the spacing to x1.1 pls? fixed

Insane :
00:05:411 (1) - missing a clap to the head? fixed
00:25:911 (7) - How about using a finish instead of whistle ? added finish without removing whistle
01:08:578 (1) - finish to the head added; finish added to other diffs too
01:21:411 (1) - the new combo seems unnecessary to here removed

Extra and Sweet Neko :
00:00:745 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - Please set some hitsounds at here as this rule

1. You must use hitsounds. Without these, things get way too monotonous as you are throwing away one of the main elements of variation present in mapping. You don't need to place them on every note (and are discouraged from doing so), but they must at least be frequently heard when playing.
   Added a hitsound at the beginnign of every measure with gradually increasing volume

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alacat wrote:

ok :3

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Finally ranked (dt pp incoming
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