Cardboard Box - The Limit Does Not Exist [OsuMania]

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Jinjin
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Applied all the suggestions from Zenx's review
Shoegazer
bring back epsilon-delta 2015/2016
Topic Starter
Jinjin

Shoegazer wrote:

bring back epsilon-delta 2015/2016
Aaaa I want to ;_;
Shoegazer
To be fair I find "asymptotic" to be more cryptic than Epsilon-Delta, Epsilon-Delta is at least used in several forms of pop culture (and also BMS and that cute little 4K dan difficulty name). Asymptotic is mainly used for algorithm analysis in computer science and mathematical analysis in general. I don't think Epsilon-Delta is that cryptic; it is a bit difficult to understand but I find asymptotic to be far more of a niche concept because it's never actually used outside of the field of mathematics and a specific field in computer science.

At the very least, I think Extra is better than Asymptotic; I understand your intention of having the difficulty name "asymptotic" (approaching infinity) but it's still a pretty obscure term.

On a side note, this map looks kinda cool; keep breaking the star rating system. I'll break it in the other direction.
Jakads
RIP ε-δ 2015

Epsilon-Delta 사라졌네요 ㅇㅅㅇ
난이도 이름 저렇게 유니크한것도 괜찮았던 것 같은데...

Infinitesimal 어떨까요?
어려운 난이도에 무한히 작은 걸 난이도 이름으로 하면 좀 아이러니하기는 한데
그냥 제안이에요 ㅋㅋ

(개인적으로 마니에라보다 이게 상대적으로 더 쉽네요 그나마)
LordRaika
Some check before bbbbbbb
BG :
Snap :
Audio :
Timing :
Spread :

Easy

  1. 01:47:292 (107292|4,107523|2,107754|4,107985|1,108215|5,108446|1,108677|5) - make them all burst? the trill is not balance imo, total of 7 note, u can burst it 7 times , ex : col 1 7 2 6 3 5 and 4

Normal

  1. 00:13:831 (13831|4) - to 7?
  2. 00:51:215 (51215|3) - i think this 5 hold is too much for normal? remove this one?
    the sound on the downbeat is also not really strong to be follow...
  3. 01:09:677 (69677|4,69677|5) - move this to left hand side?
  4. 01:31:946 (91946|4,92061|2,92177|4) - CTRL+H and 01:31:946 (91946|6) - delete,
    to make it like 01:24:561 -
    or something similar.... (i mean the total note)
  5. 01:53:292 (113292|0,113292|4,113292|2) - really prefer this to be 2 4 6 :)

Hard

  1. 00:18:792 (18792|4,19023|4) - this 2nd note should be somewhere at col 6 right?
    and so much things like this for the whole map(i mean exact same pattern, so if u made change, pls apply to all others >w<)
  2. 00:20:869 (20869|4) - yeah pretty much sure this section can have more interesting pattern <3
  3. 00:32:754 - really suggesting this for more comfortable play and pattern and less anchor point.
  4. 00:35:985 (35985|5,36331|4,36561|4) - honestly, this anchor point and trill is abit annoying...
  5. 00:45:100 (45100|1) - to 1?
  6. 00:59:985 (59985|1,60215|5,60446|1,60677|5) - to 3 , 6 , 2 , 5 pls , more hand balance
    01:01:831 - ^
  7. 01:02:754 (62754|4,63446|2,63677|6,63908|0,64369|0) - if possible this too
    i really prefer 1 hold for 1 hand, and the other hand press the note.
  8. 01:21:792 (81792|3,82138|3,82715|3) - to 2
  9. 01:37:138 (97138|6,97138|5,97369|4,97369|2,97600|0,97600|1) - the last one makes some uncomfortable anchor
    the first two double note, have the same pitch, so maybe u can rearrange them?
  10. 01:10:946 (70946|3) - this one is uhhh, how bout to 1 ?

Tristan97's Insane

  • Insane is perfectly my current skill, so this mod is based on both my mapping and performance terms.
    i found this pretty interesting but some pattern really throws me off...

    pls do not think im a bit harsh here, im doing my best to makes this insane as good as i would even love it myself. thats how i mod >w<
  1. first things first, it has too much anchor point, say... a normal note anchor point at this level would still be ok, BUT
    00:07:369 (7369|2,7600|2,7600|4,7715|4,7946|4) - things like this is really not consistent at all...
    its require more concentration to read it and jack it...
    .
    my own suggestion is to make them follow pitch perfectly, FEEL free to jack this with same pitch,
    i would love to play it as jack as well... and a single note then jack with short LN is also feels good
    but dont add the third mini jack after this short LN, its quite cancer....

    notice the jack, 1single note 1short LN, both on same pitch, it gives a really perfect feeling
    and the surroundings pattern doesnt mindblock by the anchor, at least its a different column.
  2. 00:09:561 (9561|2,9792|2) - .... :(
    00:09:561 (9561|2,9561|0) - WHY not swap the short LN to 1 , and single note to 3 ??
    that makes it perfect same pitch with 00:09:215 -
    and less anchor. (well, single note anchor is much much comfortable than short LN follow up with single note on same col)
  3. 00:12:446 (12446|5,12561|3,12677|2,12792|0) - drag them 1 col to the right
    so that the last two short LN is not the same column with 00:12:908 (12908|2,13023|0) - which doesnt have the same pitch
    so the trill doesnt feels weird here.
    00:19:831 (19831|5,19946|3,20061|2,20177|0) - ^
    00:41:985 (41985|5,42100|3,42215|2,42331|0) - ^
    uhh and so on
  4. 00:16:600 (16600|2,16831|4) - move to 1 and 3
  5. 00:23:985 - u can even try something new like..
  6. 00:26:061 (26061|4,26177|4) - to 7
  7. 00:28:254 (28254|1,28254|3,28369|3) -
  8. 00:35:292 (35292|4,35408|2,35408|4,35638|2,35754|4) - some inconsistent here
  9. 00:38:985 (38985|4,39100|6,39100|4) - demn, i couldnt find this fun at all XD
    pls drag this 4col to the left... perfect mirror and more comfy, less a-n-c-h-o-r
  10. 00:52:600 (52600|0,53061|6) - really would suggest remove this and use only 1 note here,
    and by removing that selected note, its much more hand balance, tbh, it makes it twice easier, much more comfy
    00:54:446 (54446|2,54908|4) - ^
    00:56:292 (56292|0,56754|6) - ^
    00:58:138 (58138|2) - delete one and move the other one to 4
  11. 01:21:215 - im usually good with LN.... but i miss lots of this.... in fact, MOST of it...
    this is because they are mostly stick to the right hand and its killing the right hand control...
    .
    what i suggest :
    -to keep your 3 LN at each time
    -1 release on the other hand, and 1 new hold on the other hand, yes pleaseeeee
    (the current one is a bit unconsistent thus makes it really hard)
    or you can make one two three LN then SHield them, into new LN ,
    anything variant and yet comfy to play.
    ok smthg like :

    thats just something i came up with, its easy, its consistent and well... it has some pattern.
    feel free to make yours.
    or shield LN that is still easy to control...
  12. 01:49:831 (109831|1,109888|2,110061|2,110119|3) - drag this 1 col to the left
    Thats all ^^, good luck and hope it helps.

i will continue on the last 3diff SOON, S-O-O-N
sry jin, i have a fever, work work and idk, X_X it seems my req havent decrease at all.
Topic Starter
Jinjin

LordRaika wrote:

Some check before bbbbbbb
BG :
Snap :
Audio :
Timing :
Spread :

Easy

  1. 01:47:292 (107292|4,107523|2,107754|4,107985|1,108215|5,108446|1,108677|5) - make them all burst? the trill is not balance imo, total of 7 note, u can burst it 7 times , ex : col 1 7 2 6 3 5 and 4 Yup this sounds good, made the change~

Normal

  1. 00:13:831 (13831|4) - to 7? I guess this works to keep the symmetry in place, sure :3
  2. 00:51:215 (51215|3) - i think this 5 hold is too much for normal? remove this one? :o okiee, sounds good
    the sound on the downbeat is also not really strong to be follow...
  3. 01:09:677 (69677|4,69677|5) - move this to left hand side? moved
  4. 01:31:946 (91946|4,92061|2,92177|4) - CTRL+H and 01:31:946 (91946|6) - delete,
    to make it like 01:24:561 - woops, fixed :)
    or something similar.... (i mean the total note)
  5. 01:53:292 (113292|0,113292|4,113292|2) - really prefer this to be 2 4 6 :)okay, you know more about easier diffs than i do so changed :D

Hard

  1. 00:18:792 (18792|4,19023|4) - this 2nd note should be somewhere at col 6 right? for a stricter pitch relavancy, yes. Fixed with respect to pitch~
    and so much things like this for the whole map(i mean exact same pattern, so if u made change, pls apply to all others >w<) applied~
  2. 00:20:869 (20869|4) - yeah pretty much sure this section can have more interesting pattern <3 Tried to make it more interesting :p
  3. 00:32:754 - really suggesting this for more comfortable play and pattern and less anchor point.
    applied the suggestion, good idea~ (i guess im not used to easier diff mapping anymore cuz all patterns are pretty comfortable to me.. ;A;
  4. 00:35:985 (35985|5,36331|4,36561|4) - honestly, this anchor point and trill is abit annoying... tried to make the patterns better here :3
  5. 00:45:100 (45100|1) - to 1? sure
  6. 00:59:985 (59985|1,60215|5,60446|1,60677|5) - to 3 , 6 , 2 , 5 pls , more hand balance good idea!
    01:01:831 - ^ fixed~
  7. 01:02:754 (62754|4,63446|2,63677|6,63908|0,64369|0) - if possible this too
    i really prefer 1 hold for 1 hand, and the other hand press the note. rearranged the pattern so this is possible~
  8. 01:21:792 (81792|3,82138|3,82715|3) - to 2 you sure about this? o.o it creates a 1/2 jack which is pretty fast at this bpm
  9. 01:37:138 (97138|6,97138|5,97369|4,97369|2,97600|0,97600|1) - the last one makes some uncomfortable anchor
    the first two double note, have the same pitch, so maybe u can rearrange them? yup~
  10. 01:10:946 (70946|3) - this one is uhhh, how bout to 1 ? Agreed~

Thats all ^^, good luck and hope it helps.[/list]

i will continue on the last 3diff SOON, S-O-O-N
sry jin, i have a fever, work work and idk, X_X it seems my req havent decrease at all.
That was very helpful, thanks Raika >w</
Tristan97

LordRaika wrote:

Some check before bbbbbbb
BG :
Snap :
Audio :
Timing :
Spread :

Easy

  1. 01:47:292 (107292|4,107523|2,107754|4,107985|1,108215|5,108446|1,108677|5) - make them all burst? the trill is not balance imo, total of 7 note, u can burst it 7 times , ex : col 1 7 2 6 3 5 and 4

Normal

  1. 00:13:831 (13831|4) - to 7?
  2. 00:51:215 (51215|3) - i think this 5 hold is too much for normal? remove this one?
    the sound on the downbeat is also not really strong to be follow...
  3. 01:09:677 (69677|4,69677|5) - move this to left hand side?
  4. 01:31:946 (91946|4,92061|2,92177|4) - CTRL+H and 01:31:946 (91946|6) - delete,
    to make it like 01:24:561 -
    or something similar.... (i mean the total note)
  5. 01:53:292 (113292|0,113292|4,113292|2) - really prefer this to be 2 4 6 :)

Hard

  1. 00:18:792 (18792|4,19023|4) - this 2nd note should be somewhere at col 6 right?
    and so much things like this for the whole map(i mean exact same pattern, so if u made change, pls apply to all others >w<)
  2. 00:20:869 (20869|4) - yeah pretty much sure this section can have more interesting pattern <3
  3. 00:32:754 - really suggesting this for more comfortable play and pattern and less anchor point.
  4. 00:35:985 (35985|5,36331|4,36561|4) - honestly, this anchor point and trill is abit annoying...
  5. 00:45:100 (45100|1) - to 1?
  6. 00:59:985 (59985|1,60215|5,60446|1,60677|5) - to 3 , 6 , 2 , 5 pls , more hand balance
    01:01:831 - ^
  7. 01:02:754 (62754|4,63446|2,63677|6,63908|0,64369|0) - if possible this too
    i really prefer 1 hold for 1 hand, and the other hand press the note.
  8. 01:21:792 (81792|3,82138|3,82715|3) - to 2
  9. 01:37:138 (97138|6,97138|5,97369|4,97369|2,97600|0,97600|1) - the last one makes some uncomfortable anchor
    the first two double note, have the same pitch, so maybe u can rearrange them?
  10. 01:10:946 (70946|3) - this one is uhhh, how bout to 1 ?

Tristan97's Insane

  • Insane is perfectly my current skill, so this mod is based on both my mapping and performance terms.
    i found this pretty interesting but some pattern really throws me off...

    pls do not think im a bit harsh here, im doing my best to makes this insane as good as i would even love it myself. thats how i mod >w<
  1. first things first, it has too much anchor point, say... a normal note anchor point at this level would still be ok, BUT
    00:07:369 (7369|2,7600|2,7600|4,7715|4,7946|4) - things like this is really not consistent at all...
    its require more concentration to read it and jack it...
    .
    my own suggestion is to make them follow pitch perfectly, FEEL free to jack this with same pitch,
    i would love to play it as jack as well... and a single note then jack with short LN is also feels good
    but dont add the third mini jack after this short LN, its quite cancer....

    notice the jack, 1single note 1short LN, both on same pitch, it gives a really perfect feeling
    and the surroundings pattern doesnt mindblock by the anchor, at least its a different column.
  2. 00:09:561 (9561|2,9792|2) - .... :(
    00:09:561 (9561|2,9561|0) - WHY not swap the short LN to 1 , and single note to 3 ??
    that makes it perfect same pitch with 00:09:215 -
    and less anchor. (well, single note anchor is much much comfortable than short LN follow up with single note on same col)
  3. 00:12:446 (12446|5,12561|3,12677|2,12792|0) - drag them 1 col to the right
    so that the last two short LN is not the same column with 00:12:908 (12908|2,13023|0) - which doesnt have the same pitch
    so the trill doesnt feels weird here.
    00:19:831 (19831|5,19946|3,20061|2,20177|0) - ^
    00:41:985 (41985|5,42100|3,42215|2,42331|0) - ^
    uhh and so on
  4. 00:16:600 (16600|2,16831|4) - move to 1 and 3
  5. 00:23:985 - u can even try something new like..
  6. 00:26:061 (26061|4,26177|4) - to 7
  7. 00:28:254 (28254|1,28254|3,28369|3) -
  8. 00:35:292 (35292|4,35408|2,35408|4,35638|2,35754|4) - some inconsistent here *FIXED*
  9. 00:38:985 (38985|4,39100|6,39100|4) - demn, i couldnt find this fun at all XD
    pls drag this 4col to the left... perfect mirror and more comfy, less a-n-c-h-o-r
  10. 00:52:600 (52600|0,53061|6) - really would suggest remove this and use only 1 note here,
    and by removing that selected note, its much more hand balance, tbh, it makes it twice easier, much more comfy
    00:54:446 (54446|2,54908|4) - ^
    00:56:292 (56292|0,56754|6) - ^
    00:58:138 (58138|2) - delete one and move the other one to 4 *I switched some stuff around a little bit. Really like the idea of only having the spacebar at 58:600*
  11. 01:21:215 - im usually good with LN.... but i miss lots of this.... in fact, MOST of it...
    this is because they are mostly stick to the right hand and its killing the right hand control...
    .
    what i suggest :
    -to keep your 3 LN at each time
    -1 release on the other hand, and 1 new hold on the other hand, yes pleaseeeee
    (the current one is a bit unconsistent thus makes it really hard)
    or you can make one two three LN then SHield them, into new LN ,
    anything variant and yet comfy to play. *I see where you're coming from on this, but the >anchors and overall stair patterns don't work for me. When I mapped this section I did it specifically for maxmium pitch relevancy, and don't feel like backing out of it even if they aren't 'easy to read denser LNs'*
    ok smthg like :

    thats just something i came up with, its easy, its consistent and well... it has some pattern.
    feel free to make yours.
    or shield LN that is still easy to control...
  12. 01:49:831 (109831|1,109888|2,110061|2,110119|3) - drag this 1 col to the left
    Thats all ^^, good luck and hope it helps.
To be honest Raika, I can really see where each of your suggestions are coming from. I reconsidered what I wanted in each section every time you brought up a new point. The truth to this difficulty is that it is meant to be in a style that has anchors and I personally feel like I these mappings achieved a strong balance between pitch relevancy and playability/enjoyability. In those LN sections, the harmonic patterns are kinda difficult to chart on seven lanes, but in looking at the overall construction of each phrase and the transitions to the following phrase, I felt the choices I made most appropriate. A section around 50 seconds in I never really made the decisino to include rice in, but since Jnjin put it in the spread, I was cool with it.

I appreciate you're investment in this difficulty and really encourage you to continue to map and play and discover what manner your opinions on some of my more Entozian stylistic choices mature. I claim no superior ability to map, but in understanding your input factoring my decisions, I largely picked to stand with the previously selected patterns. I ultimately submit my difficulty to Jinjin's Discretion, seeing as his experience and ability outclasses that of my own.

Thanks again for the mod!
Tristan97
@Jejjin

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Topic Starter
Jinjin

Tristan97 wrote:

A section around 50 seconds in I never really made the decisino to include rice in, but since Jnjin put it in the spread, I was cool with it.
I ultimately submit my difficulty to Jinjin's Discretion, seeing as his experience and ability outclasses that of my own.
Thanks again for the mod!
Thanks Tristan ^^ I also already looked at Raika's check for your GD, and there are definitely some playability issues that can be addressed:

LordRaika wrote:

Tristan97's Insane

  • Insane is perfectly my current skill, so this mod is based on both my mapping and performance terms.
    i found this pretty interesting but some pattern really throws me off...

    pls do not think im a bit harsh here, im doing my best to makes this insane as good as i would even love it myself. thats how i mod >w<
  1. first things first, it has too much anchor point, say... a normal note anchor point at this level would still be ok, BUT
    00:07:369 (7369|2,7600|2,7600|4,7715|4,7946|4) - things like this is really not consistent at all...
    its require more concentration to read it and jack it...
    .
    my own suggestion is to make them follow pitch perfectly, FEEL free to jack this with same pitch,
    i would love to play it as jack as well... and a single note then jack with short LN is also feels good
    but dont add the third mini jack after this short LN, its quite cancer....

    notice the jack, 1single note 1short LN, both on same pitch, it gives a really perfect feeling
    and the surroundings pattern doesnt mindblock by the anchor, at least its a different column. Agreed. For a easier playability, I decided to move around the patterns
  2. 00:09:561 (9561|2,9792|2) - .... :(generally rearranged the LN shield notes
    00:09:561 (9561|2,9561|0) - WHY not swap the short LN to 1 , and single note to 3 ??
    that makes it perfect same pitch with 00:09:215 -
    and less anchor. (well, single note anchor is much much comfortable than short LN follow up with single note on same col) To be honest, the way Tristan mapped his difficulty is not very strict on pitch relevancy. In addition, I think he tries to maintain his patterns of having the LNs in different columns each time but with a specific pattern in mind. So, I will keep that aspect for his difficulty since I do not want to change his GD too much.
  3. 00:12:446 (12446|5,12561|3,12677|2,12792|0) - drag them 1 col to the right Agreed
    so that the last two short LN is not the same column with 00:12:908 (12908|2,13023|0) - which doesnt have the same pitch
    so the trill doesnt feels weird here.
    00:19:831 (19831|5,19946|3,20061|2,20177|0) - ^ ^
    00:41:985 (41985|5,42100|3,42215|2,42331|0) - ^ ^
    uhh and so on yup
  4. 00:16:600 (16600|2,16831|4) - move to 1 and 3 Rearranged a bit differently
  5. 00:23:985 - u can even try something new like..
    Not a bad idea! I like it~
  6. 00:26:061 (26061|4,26177|4) - to 7 Agreed, feels less cluttered in one column
  7. 00:28:254 (28254|1,28254|3,28369|3) - Rearranged
  8. 00:35:292 (35292|4,35408|2,35408|4,35638|2,35754|4) - some inconsistent here Rearranged another way
  9. 00:38:985 (38985|4,39100|6,39100|4) - demn, i couldnt find this fun at all XD
    pls drag this 4col to the left... perfect mirror and more comfy, less a-n-c-h-o-r I agree with this.
  10. 00:52:600 (52600|0,53061|6) - really would suggest remove this and use only 1 note here,
    and by removing that selected note, its much more hand balance, tbh, it makes it twice easier, much more comfy Since i was the one who made this change in Tristan's GD, I wasn't really thinking about the playability issues here. I think your suggestion is better.
    00:54:446 (54446|2,54908|4) - ^ ^
    00:56:292 (56292|0,56754|6) - ^ ^
    00:58:138 (58138|2) - delete one and move the other one to 4 Small change here yet again
  11. 01:21:215 - im usually good with LN.... but i miss lots of this.... in fact, MOST of it...
    this is because they are mostly stick to the right hand and its killing the right hand control...
    Since tristan offered his reasons on this portion and why he decided to keep it, I would like to respect his idea. HOWEVER, I have also playtested this diff quite a lot and yes, I understand that this pattern is actually very challenging and uncomfortable to the "insane" level players. Therefore, I decided to remap this part slightly so that Tristan's ideas are still conserved, but the overall flow and comfortableness is in better place.
  12. 01:49:831 (109831|1,109888|2,110061|2,110119|3) - drag this 1 col to the left Agreed, plays much better.
    Thats all ^^, good luck and hope it helps.
Thanks raika ~ >w<
abraker
== abraker's Mania Modding Queue ==



Just take my star, this shit is too good for me to mod. :D
/me awaits 5* pp fountain (not that I am a dirty farmer or anything)
AnatOWJIya
Just gonna leave it here Click Me!
Don't know why do i post it here
LordRaika
Sry jin, due to different time, we rarely meet each other, while im soooo lazy at posting...
i prefer to just tell u my concern/mod... but ok... i WILL DO IT XD

its already good, but my concern is actually really good as well so i mst hold the bubble just yet.

This is mainly for spread balance and difficulty for each difficulty to be more appropriate.
i have this concern when i play from easiest to hardest diff even if i have to HT. then it comes up...
some pattern is easier,harder,repetitive and something alike XD hehe.

Another

  1. 00:59:061 - this pattern is kind a spiky, from insane, its easy.... but here,
    its too intense. while Extra is full 1/4 + 1-2 LN.
    i suggest on this Another, lets jst make the doublet into single note or 1 for kick and 2 for snare. sounds good?
  2. 01:39:215 (99215|1,99215|0,99273|2,99331|5,99331|6,99388|4,99446|0,99446|1,99504|2,99561|6,99561|5,99619|4) - yes this is harder than "Extra" XD i prefer you make this like the usual pattern you use on this section like 01:36:677 (96677|6,96677|0,96792|2,96792|4,96908|0,96908|6) -
    01:42:908 - ^
    01:46:600 - ^
  3. 01:47:061 - aaaa noooo, this has the same density as "Extra" and yet... its mind blocking XD
    01:47:061 (107061|0,107061|1,107177|5,107177|6,107292|1,107292|0,107408|5,107408|6,107523|1,107523|0,107638|5,107638|6) - thisss XD haha...
    my suggestion is... you can swap this pattern to "Extra" instead , or reduce each 01:47:061 (107061|1,107292|1,107523|1) - 1/1 note for kick.
    and rearrange a bit. done.
  4. 00:36:215 - this pattern and density is same with 'Insane"
    umm you know how to fix this, by either using your usual triple jack pattern
    or just simple add 1 more note and use another variation pattern.
  5. lastly on this diff, hmm mind to move
    01:21:792 (81792|1) - this to 3?
    01:22:831 (82831|4) - to 4
    01:23:638 (83638|0) - 3
    01:26:408 (86408|6) - 5
    01:29:177 (89177|2,89292|4) - Ctrl+H
    01:30:100 (90100|1) -
    01:32:177 (92177|3) - this mini jack here always threw me off guard XD
    or i will miss the hold, its jst not comfortable here.
    01:32:869 (92869|5) - 5
    and...
    01:36:792 (96792|4,96792|2) - 2 and 6, less anchor and mini jack.

Insane

  1. 00:45:215 - this pattern has the same pattern and density with "Another" (the doublet of kick and snare)
    my suggestion is to make the kick only 1 note for each of them. you can leave the snare with 2 note.
  2. 00:59:061 - final thing on this diff, the last time u nerf the LN , its good ^^b
    but then i notice this is easier than "hard", my best solution is , swap this "insane" 's LN pattern to Hard, and "Hard" 's pattern to insane.
    it will be more a good spread.
  3. 01:21:215 - this is good for Hard, multiple LN on "Insane" is definitely harder to control and play. :D
    (just saying u dont have to swap this)


01:53:292 - ah also for 'Hard', comparing to all other higher difficulty, i hate this short LN being here. haha
those higher diff's single note is easier than this.

yep, the rest of it really have a noteable increasing density and stuff, ^^b
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Jinjin

LordRaika wrote:

Sry jin, due to different time, we rarely meet each other, while im soooo lazy at posting...
i prefer to just tell u my concern/mod... but ok... i WILL DO IT XD

its already good, but my concern is actually really good as well so i mst hold the bubble just yet.

This is mainly for spread balance and difficulty for each difficulty to be more appropriate.
i have this concern when i play from easiest to hardest diff even if i have to HT. then it comes up...
some pattern is easier,harder,repetitive and something alike XD hehe.

Another

  1. 00:59:061 - this pattern is kind a spiky, from insane, its easy.... but here,
    its too intense. while Extra is full 1/4 + 1-2 LN.
    i suggest on this Another, lets jst make the doublet into single note or 1 for kick and 2 for snare. sounds good? Redid the patterns here
  2. 01:39:215 (99215|1,99215|0,99273|2,99331|5,99331|6,99388|4,99446|0,99446|1,99504|2,99561|6,99561|5,99619|4) - yes this is harder than "Extra" XD i prefer you make this like the usual pattern you use on this section like 01:36:677 (96677|6,96677|0,96792|2,96792|4,96908|0,96908|6) -
    01:42:908 - ^
    01:46:600 - ^ I agree with these changes, fixed~
  3. 01:47:061 - aaaa noooo, this has the same density as "Extra" and yet... its mind blocking XD
    01:47:061 (107061|0,107061|1,107177|5,107177|6,107292|1,107292|0,107408|5,107408|6,107523|1,107523|0,107638|5,107638|6) - thisss XD haha...
    my suggestion is... you can swap this pattern to "Extra" instead , or reduce each 01:47:061 (107061|1,107292|1,107523|1) - 1/1 note for kick.
    and rearrange a bit. done. I made the patterns more comfortable
  4. 00:36:215 - this pattern and density is same with 'Insane" Changed~
    umm you know how to fix this, by either using your usual triple jack pattern
    or just simple add 1 more note and use another variation pattern.
  5. lastly on this diff, hmm mind to move
    01:21:792 (81792|1) - this to 3?
    01:22:831 (82831|4) - to 4
    01:23:638 (83638|0) - 3
    01:26:408 (86408|6) - 5
    01:29:177 (89177|2,89292|4) - Ctrl+H
    01:30:100 (90100|1) -
    01:32:177 (92177|3) - this mini jack here always threw me off guard XD
    or i will miss the hold, its jst not comfortable here.
    01:32:869 (92869|5) - 5
    and...
    01:36:792 (96792|4,96792|2) - 2 and 6, less anchor and mini jack. Applied all of these changes!

Insane

  1. 00:45:215 - this pattern has the same pattern and density with "Another" (the doublet of kick and snare)
    my suggestion is to make the kick only 1 note for each of them. you can leave the snare with 2 note.
  2. 00:59:061 - final thing on this diff, the last time u nerf the LN , its good ^^b
    but then i notice this is easier than "hard", my best solution is , swap this "insane" 's LN pattern to Hard, and "Hard" 's pattern to insane.
    it will be more a good spread. I decided to keep the Hard patterns in hard, and instead make the insane pattern a bit harder (while keeping it comfortable)
  3. 01:21:215 - this is good for Hard, multiple LN on "Insane" is definitely harder to control and play. :D
    (just saying u dont have to swap this) didn't change anything here o/


01:53:292 - ah also for 'Hard', comparing to all other higher difficulty, i hate this short LN being here. haha
those higher diff's single note is easier than this. Removed~

yep, the rest of it really have a noteable increasing density and stuff, ^^b
Thanks for the recheck, updated o/
LordRaika
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^^b jin~




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Jinjin
thanks raika >w< hypee~
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