Gnar is indeed adorable, although I haven't seen people use him nor have I played as him so I can't tell anything about his gameplay
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He actually gains 1260 health + 36 MR and Armor just from his passive alone at level 18 which is quite ridiculous when you think about it, it's like Shyvana's passive but three times betterFrostei wrote:
Most of the games I spectated had people building him like a god damn ADC. He's just going to get melted once he transforms since he's so squishy.
But then again he has the lowest base health at level 18 so that makes up for it a little bit
Furthermore he has an attack speed steroid in his small form paired with a stronger version of Vayne's W (except that it doesn't deal true damage) along with 7 cc abilities and a gapcloser
From those stats alone he looks like the most OP champion ever created but I haven't played against a good Gnar so I can't judge it yet :/
I've found that although hes the new word for OP Gnar's actually quite easy to kite. As long as you can dodge his initial jump or ulti...BrokenArrow wrote:
He actually gains 1260 health + 36 MR and Armor just from his passive alone at level 18 which is quite ridiculous when you think about it, it's like Shyvana's passive but three times betterFrostei wrote:
Most of the games I spectated had people building him like a god damn ADC. He's just going to get melted once he transforms since he's so squishy.
But then again he has the lowest base health at level 18 so that makes up for it a little bit
Furthermore he has an attack speed steroid in his small form paired with a stronger version of Vayne's W (except that it doesn't deal true damage) along with 7 cc abilities and a gapcloser
From those stats alone he looks like the most OP champion ever created but I haven't played against a good Gnar so I can't judge it yet :/
And well, without much AOE on his team, he actually doesn't prevail that well in open teamfights (like in mid)
But all i've ever done with him is just rush Trinity Force and Botrk then go off-tank... Actually works pretty well
So, not really a good option for sustained fights (since theres a limited amount of time to poke till his passive reaches 100)
Onces it reaches 100 either engage or just step the fudge back, i see alot of players not being able to control Gnar's fury/rage whatever the fudge it is
So yeah, Gnar's a really good champion, mechanically quite challenging but nobody knows how to use him...
Once they know how, hes gonna replace teemo as the new satan (or maybe be like a heir to teemo's title)
What is that image trying to imply? Literally every champion has been nerfed at some point via indirect or direct.Jazz wrote:
Gnar is indeed adorable, although I haven't seen people use him nor have I played as him so I can't tell anything about his gameplay
From a design point of view Gnar is NO WHERE near as disgusting as Rengar is. Rengar shouldn't even exist and has deserved every nerf thrown in his direction. Horrible champion.
But it's so fun to jump on someone out of nowhere and kill them!
As a douchebag i build AP rengar and lich bane proc the shid out of everyone... Then of course zhonya's for the extra style points lolGraciee wrote:
But it's so fun to jump on someone out of nowhere and kill them!
Everytime i top lane against a rengar i fear for my life... Like hysterically thinking where he could be at this exact moment....Vulf wrote:
What is that image trying to imply? Literally every champion has been nerfed at some point via indirect or direct.Jazz wrote:
Gnar is indeed adorable, although I haven't seen people use him nor have I played as him so I can't tell anything about his gameplay
From a design point of view Gnar is NO WHERE near as disgusting as Rengar is. Rengar shouldn't even exist and has deserved every nerf thrown in his direction. Horrible champion.
I end up spamming MIA eveytime he backs or caution on mid lane, cus yeah...
Dat Q steriod though.... Not even funny
why you hating on RengarVulf wrote:
From a design point of view Gnar is NO WHERE near as disgusting as Rengar is. Rengar shouldn't even exist and has deserved every nerf thrown in his direction. Horrible champion.
Terribly designed champion.Jazz wrote:
why you hating on Rengar
Soon Jax will start to be hated again
Inb4 worlds = buff jax, corki and trinity
Inb4 worlds = buff jax, corki and trinity
if you're talking about aesthetics I don't think it matters because you barely see any of the champion's details in gameVulf wrote:
Terribly designed champion.
but if you're talking about something else, well then carry on
Why would I be talking about aesthetics? Rengars theme is cool, but his kit is completely obnoxious and disgusting. It's so stupid that it's essentially been reworked about 4 times now. As long as Riot keeps trying to retain his "Identity" with the reworks he will continue to be retarded and keep getting nerfed.
there a tons of terribly desgined champs who cant be balanced since they would be either too weak or too strong. e.g. yasuo,kassadin,rengar,kaz, lots of assassins
This is where I disagree with you.Sugoi-_-Desu wrote:
kaz
But everything else I agree with.
TBH i can't really see find Kaz's spot in the current meta (Where jungle tanks and adc off tanks are kind of the thing)
Well in medium-high elo at least... Either that or assasin's are kinda lossing their thing now.---.
Well in medium-high elo at least... Either that or assasin's are kinda lossing their thing now.---.
There is a big difference when you compare kits like Yasuo and Kha'Zix to Kassadin and Rengar. You can balance Yasuo and Kha'Zix with their current kits. I think Kha'Zix is actually in a decent spot now in terms of healthy gameplay. Never really had a problem with that champion until they randomly decided to give him super tankyness in stealth for some reason (which was later removed).Sugoi-_-Desu wrote:
there a tons of terribly desgined champs who cant be balanced since they would be either too weak or too strong. e.g. yasuo,kassadin,rengar,kaz, lots of assassins
Kits like Rengar and Kassadin will never be healthy for the game and they should be remade from scratch. Been saying this since the first mini rework Kassadin got back in 2010. As long as they try to keep their identity with the reworks those two champions will always be bad for the game or unplayable.
I didnt compare them, i listed them as terribly designed champs.
Yasuo and K6 aren't terribly designed though. Is the point of my post.
Their problems are too many free stats in an already overloaded kit which is fixable without a rework unlike Kass and Rengar.
Their problems are too many free stats in an already overloaded kit which is fixable without a rework unlike Kass and Rengar.
i striked k6 because of that but yasuo actually is teribly designed and unbalancable without him being completely useless or completely overpowered
Care to explain why? I'm interested in why you think this.
I agree that he is annoying and frustrating to play against, but he is definitely a champion that can be tweaked some without making him useless.
I agree that he is annoying and frustrating to play against, but he is definitely a champion that can be tweaked some without making him useless.
Kha'zix is so fun omg.
I should just play eve and him from now!
I should just play eve and him from now!
I wonder what it would do to Yasuo to nerf his crit-building identity. Would annihilate some DPS but where would they compensate if that were to happen?
tell me some of these tweaks that can be applied to yasuo without drastically changing his place in the game
If I was going to do some tweaks to Yasuo the first thing I would start with would be his ulti.
Lets take a look at this ability
See how ridiculously overloaded that ability is? Does he really need all of that? No
Does this ability need 1200 range to be used effectively? No
Would nerfing the range affect his gameplay significantly? Not enough to make him unplayable.
Does this ability need to work with other knock ups? No
Would increasing the CD at later levels nerf him enough to hurt his place in the game? No
Another thing would be to remove the maximum flow upon arrival because a big problem with Yasuo is that he is too tanky for what he does.
None of these changes alone would make him unplayable but would hurt him enough to where he is less excruciating to play against. Yasuo isn't binary enough to where changes like this would make him unviable.
If he is still problematic after that I would look at his passive shield.
Most people seem to think wind wall is the problem with that champion when it really is his overloaded passives and ulti.
Lets take a look at this ability
See how ridiculously overloaded that ability is? Does he really need all of that? No
Does this ability need 1200 range to be used effectively? No
Would nerfing the range affect his gameplay significantly? Not enough to make him unplayable.
Does this ability need to work with other knock ups? No
Would increasing the CD at later levels nerf him enough to hurt his place in the game? No
Another thing would be to remove the maximum flow upon arrival because a big problem with Yasuo is that he is too tanky for what he does.
None of these changes alone would make him unplayable but would hurt him enough to where he is less excruciating to play against. Yasuo isn't binary enough to where changes like this would make him unviable.
If he is still problematic after that I would look at his passive shield.
Most people seem to think wind wall is the problem with that champion when it really is his overloaded passives and ulti.
the ult only working on his own airborne would make yasuo so fucking bad
Nerfs his late game which is his problematic area aside from the random tankyness, but yeah I agree it's probably too much since that would make that ability way too unreliable.
Could make it only effect one target not sure why it hits multiple.
You still haven't explained to me why you think he is a terribly designed champion?
Could make it only effect one target not sure why it hits multiple.
You still haven't explained to me why you think he is a terribly designed champion?
Your tweaks wouldn't make yasuo a balanced champ. He can still just crit the shit out of ad carrys no matter how far behind he is
So you are just going to ignore my question then? Okay
His crit passive isn't anywhere near his problem which is why I said remove some of his tankyness. With supports like braum and morg being dominate there is absolutely no reason a Yasuo should be sticking to a carry to crit the shit out of them unless you got caught in his ult in which case you deserve to die.
He loses some of his tankyness means he is bursted down in fights if he tries to dive an adc.
His crit passive isn't anywhere near his problem which is why I said remove some of his tankyness. With supports like braum and morg being dominate there is absolutely no reason a Yasuo should be sticking to a carry to crit the shit out of them unless you got caught in his ult in which case you deserve to die.
He loses some of his tankyness means he is bursted down in fights if he tries to dive an adc.
yasuo is not okay, let's just leave it at that.
not sure how people let him catch up after he feeds enough to stop starvation in africa
not sure how people let him catch up after he feeds enough to stop starvation in africa
Except that Akali is balanced
Talon? Why Talon?
what
what
I said until then. Not that he needs it.
If I had the choice between playing Talon or Akali I would play Talon. Easier laning phase against more matchups.
I see Talon quite often in high Diamond it's freakin annoying but you can deal with him.
If I had the choice between playing Talon or Akali I would play Talon. Easier laning phase against more matchups.
I see Talon quite often in high Diamond it's freakin annoying but you can deal with him.
i said hes terribly designed because hes unbalancable
stop being stubborn and give reasons
why did talon suddenly get popular again
also when I play him I feel like I do no dmg LOL
also when I play him I feel like I do no dmg LOL
me every single time lolGraciee wrote:
also when I play him I feel like I do no dmg LOL
try armor pen reds + armor pen items