Even if they have the same mechanics, the game is WAY more complicated than that bro. Skill difference isn't only because of mechanic difference. It isn't only about making stupid mistakes and stuff like that.SiFly wrote:
Isn't that hard to reach gold, basically involves not randomly blindly running towards something.
This said about mechanics, i've seens bronze IV with equal mechanics as me as plat player. What they did wrong? stupid mistakes, using an ability and afterwards staying in range and that kind of stuff.
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I agree with u on that its also about reaction time , decision making and manny morepsKirika wrote:
Even if they have the same mechanics, the game is WAY more complicated than that bro. Skill difference isn't only because of mechanic difference. It isn't only about making stupid mistakes and stuff like that.SiFly wrote:
Isn't that hard to reach gold, basically involves not randomly blindly running towards something.
This said about mechanics, i've seens bronze IV with equal mechanics as me as plat player. What they did wrong? stupid mistakes, using an ability and afterwards staying in range and that kind of stuff.
u don't need any item toJordan wrote:
Is it a good item on him? idk i dont think of him as an assassin type
you can burst with w and e now so yeah dfg could work well. also dfg doesn't mean assassin, it's just a burst item (ofc most of the char who can burst are assassin...)
Playing normals over ranked doesn't matter, because I only have 80 total ranked games with season 2 and 3 combined and I still got gold very easily in season 3. Normals are supposed to prepare you for ranked by the way. Not sure why some people act like it's some sort of troll queue half the time even though I have encountered way more trolls in the 80ish ranked games than I have in the last 300 or so normal games.SoG Tava wrote:
Yeah i know what u mean i am Bronze myself i play this Game for like 3 years now And yes i am still Bronze the reason for that is i like to play normals more its just more fun people enjoy the game more cause they are not Raging if we are losing cause u have nothing to lose but yeah i guess this season i will try hard i think i can atleast reach Gold that will be my goal
As already mentioned people in bronze lack mechanics and have poor decision making. Another big thing is they don't know a lot of champion match ups at all. I've seen some of my friends that are bronze all in against stuff like Riven as Singed or Yi at level 2 and feed horribly and they don't understand why they died and lost that lane. There is also stuff like proper itemization (when to build this or that) that causes them to not do well, but that's not only limited to bronze because I see diamond players itemize terribly all the time. It's just more extreme in bronze. lol
If you really want to climb ranked it's probably best to just play one or two champions for each role. I really don't get why people try to be so diverse with their champion pool if they are under diamond. I only play one champion in ranked and it very rarely put me at a disadvantage. Even pros like Dyrus and a few others have said it's best to just spam 1 or 2 champions to get to diamond and then branch out from there.
Vulf wrote:
Playing normals over ranked doesn't matter, because I only have 80 total ranked games with season 2 and 3 combined and I still got gold very easily in season 3. Normals are supposed to prepare you for ranked by the way. Not sure why some people act like it's some sort of troll queue half the time even though I have encountered way more trolls in the 80ish ranked games than I have in the last 300 or so normal games.SoG Tava wrote:
Yeah i know what u mean i am Bronze myself i play this Game for like 3 years now And yes i am still Bronze the reason for that is i like to play normals more its just more fun people enjoy the game more cause they are not Raging if we are losing cause u have nothing to lose but yeah i guess this season i will try hard i think i can atleast reach Gold that will be my goal
As already mentioned people in bronze lack mechanics and have poor decision making. Another big thing is they don't know a lot of champion match ups at all. I've seen some of my friends that are bronze all in against stuff like Riven as Singed or Yi at level 2 and feed horribly and they don't understand why they died and lost that lane. There is also stuff like proper itemization (when to build this or that) that causes them to not do well, but that's not only limited to bronze because I see diamond players itemize terribly all the time. It's just more extreme in bronze. lol
If you really want to climb ranked it's probably best to just play one or two champions for each role. I really don't get why people try to be so diverse with their champion pool if they are under diamond. I only play one champion in ranked and it very rarely put me at a disadvantage. Even pros like Dyrus and a few others have said it's best to just spam 1 or 2 champions to get to diamond and then branch out from there.
Mhh i see its better to go with 1 champ he well i guess ill go main riven she is fun to play and when is see pro players streaming and they play riven they just stomp other people they also say that riven is one of the best solo Q champs i guess i will go like this:
Top: Riven/jax
Mid:Kassadin/gragas
Jungle: lee sin /elise
Adc:Vayne/cait
Supp:Sona/thresh
I actually haven't played anything but ranked lately, lol.SoG Tava wrote:
Yeah i know what u mean i am Bronze myself i play this Game for like 3 years now And yes i am still Bronze the reason for that is i like to play normals more its just more fun people enjoy the game more cause they are not Raging if we are losing cause u have nothing to lose but yeah i guess this season i will try hard i think i can atleast reach Gold that will be my goal
Yeah, my reaction time needs serious work. D=SoG Tava wrote:
I agree with u on that its also about reaction time , decision making and manny more
I don't get why either - people treat normals like they mean zero.Vulf wrote:
Not sure why some people act like it's some sort of troll queue half the time even though I have encountered way more trolls in the 80ish ranked games than I have in the last 300 or so normal games.
I was actually told that matchups don't really matter at such a low level.Vulf wrote:
Another big thing is they don't know a lot of champion match ups at all.
Yeah, I then was told that. lol.Vulf wrote:
If you really want to climb ranked it's probably best to just play one or two champions for each role.
Top: Gangplank (apparently people REALLY don't like me playing him for whatever reason...), Garen
Jungle: Maokai, Xin Zhao
Mid: Talon, Galio
ADC: Sivir
Support: Nami
I need a backup ADC and support... D=
Justykanna wrote:
I actually haven't played anything but ranked lately, lol.SoG Tava wrote:
Yeah i know what u mean i am Bronze myself i play this Game for like 3 years now And yes i am still Bronze the reason for that is i like to play normals more its just more fun people enjoy the game more cause they are not Raging if we are losing cause u have nothing to lose but yeah i guess this season i will try hard i think i can atleast reach Gold that will be my goalYeah, my reaction time needs serious work. D=SoG Tava wrote:
I agree with u on that its also about reaction time , decision making and manny moreI don't get why either - people treat normals like they mean zero.Vulf wrote:
Not sure why some people act like it's some sort of troll queue half the time even though I have encountered way more trolls in the 80ish ranked games than I have in the last 300 or so normal games.I was actually told that matchups don't really matter at such a low level.Vulf wrote:
Another big thing is they don't know a lot of champion match ups at all.Yeah, I then was told that. lol.Vulf wrote:
If you really want to climb ranked it's probably best to just play one or two champions for each role.
Top: Gangplank (apparently people REALLY don't like me playing him for whatever reason...), Garen
Jungle: Maokai, Xin Zhao
Mid: Talon, Galio
ADC: Sivir
Support: Nami
I need a backup ADC and support... D=
play cait and sona they are realy good and not hard to play
i find people are a lot more concerned with lane counters at lower elo, and then as you get higher people gradually start to give 0 fucks and play whatever
matchups aren't exactly the same thing iirc? it's more the dynamic of how one champion works against another and it's just something you learn through playing vs everyone
matchups aren't exactly the same thing iirc? it's more the dynamic of how one champion works against another and it's just something you learn through playing vs everyone
Soarezi
Matchup is the instance of one or more champion(s) versus another. You can have good, equal, or bad matchups.
At every level of play, people will try to counter pick. Only at the higher levels will it actually matter; in order to outmatch the enemy by counterpicking it is assumed skill is already high enough from both sides.
At every level of play, people will try to counter pick. Only at the higher levels will it actually matter; in order to outmatch the enemy by counterpicking it is assumed skill is already high enough from both sides.
maal
idk that's your opinion really. sona is faceroll on keyboard sure, but can you time the proper power chord for your adc and you to win the trade? do you know when to ult so you actually secure a kill for your adc?SoG Tava wrote:
play cait and sona they are realy good and not hard to play
cait surely has the longest range in the whole game, but saying she's "not hard to play" is an underestatement. i honestly think she's hard to play, i have no clue why. call me bad or whatever, but i think cait is pretty hard.
Well if u look it that way every champ is hard to play , u still need to practice of coursemaal wrote:
idk that's your opinion really. sona is faceroll on keyboard sure, but can you time the proper power chord for your adc and you to win the trade? do you know when to ult so you actually secure a kill for your adc?SoG Tava wrote:
play cait and sona they are realy good and not hard to play
cait surely has the longest range in the whole game, but saying she's "not hard to play" is an underestatement. i honestly think she's hard to play, i have no clue why. call me bad or whatever, but i think cait is pretty hard.
If you do main adc caitlyn is not hard, but if you main something else and you don't know how to make Caitlyn worth (like me) then don't pick her.
tyrael6192 wrote:
i find people are a lot more concerned with lane counters at lower elo, and then as you get higher people gradually start to give 0 fucks and play whatever
matchups aren't exactly the same thing iirc? it's more the dynamic of how one champion works against another and it's just something you learn through playing vs everyone
This is so true and so wrong at the same time. Picking the right/wrong champions can win/lose the lane straight. I ALWAYS chose an adc by our teamcomp / their bot lane. While others might not and get crushed in lane by first picking and insta-locking Vayne.
I step away from my computer for half an hour and there's like... five more posts here... D=
Didn't like Caitlyn's kit at all. Her ultimate's easily blocked by someone else, her Q keeps her in one spot for a short time. I like Sivir because she's mobile, she has a defensive option (her spell shield) and her Q takes zero time to launch and people can't dodge it (which makes it super fun). I loved her before the rework.
Sona... ehhh... I don't feel like she has enough to protect her ADC. Nami has a stun, slow, heal, poke and wide-range, long-range ultimate slow. Then her passive.
Support, I need someone who can poke and protect the ADC really well and I just find Nami's best for that.
I mean, if I see a Pantheon, I'm not gonna pick my main (Gangplank).
That reminds me, why do people hate Gangplank so much? o_O
I've seen a lot of Vayne banning lately. I guess she's popular?
I've actually tried both and didn't like either. =/SoG Tava wrote:
play cait and sona they are realy good and not hard to play
Didn't like Caitlyn's kit at all. Her ultimate's easily blocked by someone else, her Q keeps her in one spot for a short time. I like Sivir because she's mobile, she has a defensive option (her spell shield) and her Q takes zero time to launch and people can't dodge it (which makes it super fun). I loved her before the rework.
Sona... ehhh... I don't feel like she has enough to protect her ADC. Nami has a stun, slow, heal, poke and wide-range, long-range ultimate slow. Then her passive.
At least for ADC, I need someone mobile. I considered Lucian but I heard he's underpowered.SoG Tava wrote:
Well if u look it that way every champ is hard to play , u still need to practice of course
Support, I need someone who can poke and protect the ADC really well and I just find Nami's best for that.
tyrael6192 wrote:
i find people are a lot more concerned with lane counters at lower elo, and then as you get higher people gradually start to give 0 fucks and play whatever
I thought that you were suppose to counter-pick all the time (I have friends who watch pros while I do not) but wasn't told until late that matchups matter less at Bronze level. I'll worry about matchups when I start to rank up, but at Bronze, I don't care... yet.psKirika wrote:
This is so true and so wrong at the same time. Picking the right/wrong champions can win/lose the lane straight. I ALWAYS chose an adc by our teamcomp / their bot lane. While others might not and get crushed in lane by first picking and insta-locking Vayne.
I mean, if I see a Pantheon, I'm not gonna pick my main (Gangplank).
That reminds me, why do people hate Gangplank so much? o_O
I've seen a lot of Vayne banning lately. I guess she's popular?
Vayne is banned because she's basically the strongest adc duelist late game and can carry hard alone. For example, 1 item Vayne = 2 item Cait etc.Justykanna wrote:
I step away from my computer for half an hour and there's like... five more posts here... D=I've actually tried both and didn't like either. =/SoG Tava wrote:
play cait and sona they are realy good and not hard to play
Didn't like Caitlyn's kit at all. Her ultimate's easily blocked by someone else, her Q keeps her in one spot for a short time. I like Sivir because she's mobile and her Q takes zero time to launch and people can't dodge it (which makes it super fun). I loved her before the rework.
Sona... ehhh... I don't feel like she has enough to protect her ADC. Nami has a stun, slow, heal, poke and wide-range, long-range ultimate slow. Then her passive.At least for ADC, I need someone mobile. I considered Lucian but I heard he's underpowered.SoG Tava wrote:
Well if u look it that way every champ is hard to play , u still need to practice of course
Support, I need someone who can poke and protect the ADC really well and I just find Nami's best for that.tyrael6192 wrote:
i find people are a lot more concerned with lane counters at lower elo, and then as you get higher people gradually start to give 0 fucks and play whateverI thought that you were suppose to counter-pick all the time (I have friends who watch pros while I do not) but wasn't told until late that matchups matter less at Bronze level. I'll worry about matchups when I start to rank up, but at Bronze, I don't care... yet.psKirika wrote:
This is so true and so wrong at the same time. Picking the right/wrong champions can win/lose the lane straight. I ALWAYS chose an adc by our teamcomp / their bot lane. While others might not and get crushed in lane by first picking and insta-locking Vayne.
I mean, if I see a Pantheon, I'm not gonna pick my main (Gangplank).
That reminds me, why do people hate Gangplank so much? o_O
I've seen a lot of Vayne banning lately. I guess she's popular?
The thing is though, she usually has a horrible laning phrase versus most adc's, and when I see a enemy first pick vayne, I can feel the LP just cash in as I know I'm usually able to crush bot lane.
Pff...not with a halfway decent support. Any vayne I support is absolutely huge coming out of laning phase...and proceeds to throw by trying and failing to 1v4. Why does every vayne player think they're doublelift lol
hi im gosu
I don't play adc, but when I do, I'm Doublelift
I always play adc, but I'm never like Doublelift
#vayne dying 1v4
#vayne dying 1v4
The first 2 games I played Caitlyn in ranked I stole a dragon with my Q without having it warded. Felt so good 
At the same time those were the first dragon steals I've ever done. Still lost the game :/
At the same time those were the first dragon steals I've ever done. Still lost the game :/
a skilled and practiced vayne destroys a championselect.net hero who plays a mediocre caitlynpsKirika wrote:
tyrael6192 wrote:
i find people are a lot more concerned with lane counters at lower elo, and then as you get higher people gradually start to give 0 fucks and play whatever
matchups aren't exactly the same thing iirc? it's more the dynamic of how one champion works against another and it's just something you learn through playing vs everyone
This is so true and so wrong at the same time. Picking the right/wrong champions can win/lose the lane straight. I ALWAYS chose an adc by our teamcomp / their bot lane. While others might not and get crushed in lane by first picking and insta-locking Vayne.
but the point is if you're climbing and playing one champion you're good at you will inadvertently come up against your counters and 50%+ of the time you will beat them anyway because they prioritize "lol counter them easy gg" over knowing a champion
this applies less to bot lane because of weird synergies and shit but solo lanes? always
maal
no ur the #vayne killing 1v4Nofool wrote:
I always play adc, but I'm never like Doublelift
#vayne dying 1v4
anyway what tyrael says is somewhat true
thing is championselect.net and all these websites only take LANING phase into account
caitlyn vayne's hardest counter? ask them when they both have full items at 40 min mark
a bad vayne can even kill a mediocre caitlyn
maal wrote:
no ur the #vayne killing 1v4Nofool wrote:
I always play adc, but I'm never like Doublelift
#vayne dying 1v4
anyway what tyrael says is somewhat true
thing is championselect.net and all these websites only take LANING phase into account
caitlyn vayne's hardest counter? ask them when they both have full items at 40 min mark
a bad vayne can even kill a mediocre caitlyn
But see, by your logic, Nasus counters every toplaner. Vayne obviously scales harder than Cait, but that's not what we're discussing.
I wouldn't say Cait is Vayne's hardest counter but in a Cait and Vayne matchup of equal skill and equally competent supports, the Cait should have a pretty sizable CS lead coming out of laning phase.
The hardest counter to Vayne is team coordination, gapclosers, CC, AS reduction, and oracles/pink wards. Same as any AD Carry actually. The reason Vayne is so strong in solo queue is that nobody has any coordination so you can skirmish your way to win. Whereas, in competitive play, when Vayne is picked, there needs to be a team comp built around her.
maal
Veigar with infinite stacks
My point being, we were talking about the laning phase and you were talking about lategame scaling.
Lategame scaling is irrelevant if you can never get there.
Lategame scaling is irrelevant if you can never get there.
@tyrael
Yeyeye i get your point.
Just saying, I'm not a medicore caitlyn. Plus, If both are equally skilled, caitlyn will have a noticeably large cs lead. As Kayne said.
On phone, to lazy to argument
Yeyeye i get your point.
Just saying, I'm not a medicore caitlyn. Plus, If both are equally skilled, caitlyn will have a noticeably large cs lead. As Kayne said.
On phone, to lazy to argument
i'm not arguing for anything i know nothing about this game
i think the general point i wanna make to justykanna is don't force yourself to play a champion you're not familiar with just to counter someone in a solo lane because the majority of the time you'll contribute more to the game by playing someone you know and understand
obviously if we take this to "i know every champion in the game because i am diamond" level then yeah counter away because you're more or less equally reliable no matter what champ you play and you're not sacrificing anything by picking a counter
i think the general point i wanna make to justykanna is don't force yourself to play a champion you're not familiar with just to counter someone in a solo lane because the majority of the time you'll contribute more to the game by playing someone you know and understand
obviously if we take this to "i know every champion in the game because i am diamond" level then yeah counter away because you're more or less equally reliable no matter what champ you play and you're not sacrificing anything by picking a counter
Doublelift the name of a player I'm guessing?Kanye West wrote:
Why does every vayne player think they're doublelift lol
I'm actually really excited to see that one. I've never been overly excited for a new champion, but this one sounds cool. =)Otonashi07 wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/c ... out-sheath
any thoughts?
I actually didn't see Nasus get any (litterally) banned votes in ranked until two weeks ago, and then EVERY game had a him banned. Anyone know why? =/ I don't get it! lol.Kanye West wrote:
But see, by your logic, Nasus counters every toplaner.
Thank you for clarifying! =)tyrael6192 wrote:
i think the general point i wanna make to justykanna is don't force yourself to play a champion you're not familiar with just to counter someone in a solo lane because the majority of the time you'll contribute more to the game by playing someone you know and understand
I don't know why but every time I see an Ezreal player, I like to assume they're all dicks. Don't know why, but Ezreal seems like a real huge dick.
Like his champion picture.. his smug, prick face. too good.
Like his champion picture.. his smug, prick face. too good.
justykanna plsJustykanna wrote:
Doublelift the name of a player I'm guessing?Kanye West wrote:
Why does every vayne player think they're doublelift lol
If you don't know how to play the champion that counters something and you pick it expecting to have an auto win in lane you are going to have a bad time. I've picked Warwick into horrible things before and still won my lane because I was simply better than the other person and vice-versa.
There was a hidden nasus nerf on pbe. Life Steal is now 10% instead of 14% early game. Keep em coming. probably won't be nerfed more until after they make money from his new skin though.
There was a hidden nasus nerf on pbe. Life Steal is now 10% instead of 14% early game. Keep em coming. probably won't be nerfed more until after they make money from his new skin though.
Please what?Kanye West wrote:
justykanna pls
How does that explain why he's been getting banned left and right, now?Vulf wrote:
There was a hidden nasus nerf on pbe. Life Steal is now 10% instead of 14% early game. Keep em coming. probably won't be nerfed more until after they make money from his new skin though.
Nasus will get nerfed for the same reason Warwick got nerfed (actually gutted) in season 2. He is immovable in lane and that is stupid and not fun to play against. He is a very strong late game champion that has probably the easiest early game to get there and that is a problem. Everything that used to straight up destroy him in lane has been nerfed. Also the new dorans shield made a lot of stuff with built in sustain really strong.
Nerfing his early game sustain is a step in the right direction, but he needs to be nerfed a little more.
Nerfing his early game sustain is a step in the right direction, but he needs to be nerfed a little more.
@ Vulf can u post me ure lolking ? i want to see how u build ure Warwick
maal
forget the shieldVulf wrote:
Nasus will get nerfed for the same reason Warwick got nerfed (actually gutted) in season 2. He is immovable in lane and that is stupid and not fun to play against. He is a very strong late game champion that has probably the easiest early game to get there and that is a problem. Everything that used to straight up destroy him in lane has been nerfed. Also the new dorans shield made a lot of stuff with built in sustain really strong.
Nerfing his early game sustain is a step in the right direction, but he needs to be nerfed a little more.
double dorans ring is way stronger on him
9 mana after each kill + 6 mana regen and his q only costs 20 mana
thats a nasus thatll never feel the need to come out of lane
Wow actually thats a pretty good idea , i wonder why i never see pro players do that :/maal wrote:
forget the shieldVulf wrote:
Nasus will get nerfed for the same reason Warwick got nerfed (actually gutted) in season 2. He is immovable in lane and that is stupid and not fun to play against. He is a very strong late game champion that has probably the easiest early game to get there and that is a problem. Everything that used to straight up destroy him in lane has been nerfed. Also the new dorans shield made a lot of stuff with built in sustain really strong.
Nerfing his early game sustain is a step in the right direction, but he needs to be nerfed a little more.
double dorans ring is way stronger on him
9 mana after each kill + 6 mana regen and his q only costs 20 mana
thats a nasus thatll never feel the need to come out of lane