22:50 *firedigger is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/827123 ICE - Precipitation]
22:51 Nitronic Techno: is it?
22:51 firedigger: .
22:53 firedigger: .
22:55 Nitronic Techno: ok i fixed it you can talk noww
22:55 firedigger: .
22:56 Nitronic Techno: now
22:57 firedigger: .
22:57 firedigger: much better
22:57 Nitronic Techno: yep
22:57 firedigger: have you actually shown your [Expert] to a appropriate rank player?
22:57 Nitronic Techno: yes
22:58 firedigger: did they consider it playable?
22:58 Nitronic Techno: yep
22:58 Nitronic Techno: manage to get an A
22:58 firedigger: well, those are different thing
23:00 firedigger: 00:26:002 (1) - why not make it a reversed slider?
23:01 Nitronic Techno: is that expert diff
23:01 firedigger: 00:26:810 (5) - you missed a note here
23:01 firedigger: yes
23:02 Nitronic Techno: so fo 00:26:002 like this? http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4020575
23:03 Nitronic Techno: or one silder
23:03 firedigger: hm
23:03 firedigger: it sounds like reversed slider
23:03 firedigger: but 2 sliders is also a way to put it
23:04 firedigger: 00:31:032 (2,3,4) - that doesn't look right
23:04 Nitronic Techno: yep
23:04 Nitronic Techno: why is it not acceptable?
23:05 firedigger: not only zero-stacks are highly arguable
23:05 firedigger: the piano sound gets quicker
23:05 firedigger: and doesn't actually map into the sliders you provide
23:07 Nitronic Techno: i can change that into a stream?
23:07 Nitronic Techno: would that be more prefered
23:09 Nitronic Techno: so it be more like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4020599
23:09 firedigger: I think the first slider should stay
23:09 firedigger: 00:30:852 (1) -
23:11 Nitronic Techno: but remove the second
23:11 Nitronic Techno: and make it longer
23:11 firedigger: ha?
23:12 firedigger: 00:31:032 (2) - just the streaming starting here sounds good
23:12 firedigger: and first slider left as it
23:12 firedigger: is*
23:12 Nitronic Techno: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4020619 like this then
23:13 firedigger: looks good
23:13 firedigger: 00:33:008 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - are you sure a raw stream here is a good idea?
23:13 firedigger: it's realisticly inaudible
23:13 Nitronic Techno: drum effect
23:13 firedigger: but there are clear drums 1/1, then 1/2
23:13 firedigger: they could be mapped
23:14 Nitronic Techno: no there 1/4 drum coming in at that time
23:14 firedigger: well, there is some background 1/4 thing
23:14 firedigger: but it is inaudible
23:14 firedigger: the first part of the stream is deaf
23:15 firedigger: 00:45:942 (1) - I don't hear anything in this note
23:15 firedigger: ha, actually there are sounds
23:15 Nitronic Techno: it the sound change on the 1/4 music that there
23:16 Nitronic Techno: it suppose to be a rest rom the piano
23:16 Nitronic Techno: until it comes back
23:16 firedigger: yeah, okay
23:16 firedigger: but
23:16 firedigger: 00:48:098 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the piano here is still low volume
23:16 firedigger: the spacing should be consistent with it
23:17 firedigger: should be reduced
23:17 firedigger: 01:01:930 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - here it is done correctly for example
23:22 Nitronic Techno: fix that
23:22 Nitronic Techno: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4020669
23:23 firedigger: 00:36:241 (1) - are you sure that placing slider here is a good idea?
23:25 Nitronic Techno: no i though i moved that now that i look over it
23:25 firedigger: 01:01:391 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - are you sure it's 1/4, not 1/6?
23:26 Nitronic Techno: for 00:36:241 (1) - http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4020679 that what it is now
23:27 firedigger: yeah, looks better, although I'd move it a bit higher
23:27 firedigger: so the slider start is literally on the stream flow
23:28 Nitronic Techno: and for 01:01:391 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - i place it at 1/4 so that the transition from 1/4 to 1/6 and then back to 1/4 could affect players
23:29 firedigger: place it at 1/4?
23:29 firedigger: I am saying the stream is 1/3
23:29 firedigger: while in your map it's 1/4
23:29 Nitronic Techno: 00:36:241 (1) - http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4020696
23:29 firedigger: 1/6*
23:31 Nitronic Techno: so you want it this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4020704 for 01:01:391 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
23:31 firedigger: 01:24:744 (1) - I don't like that in this sections the strong sound is always on slider end, that's doesn't feel good
23:31 firedigger: well, I do not insisnt on sliders, but I like the fact that it's 1/6 now
23:33 firedigger: brb
23:33 Nitronic Techno: and 01:24:744 (1) - wut?
23:35 firedigger: take the end of this slider
23:35 firedigger: for example
23:35 firedigger: it has strong sound
23:35 firedigger: just like 01:25:553 (2) -
23:36 Nitronic Techno: so you want make that quiter?
23:36 Nitronic Techno: quieter*
23:36 firedigger: nope, I think that slider should end earlier
23:36 firedigger: for there to be a note at the strong sound
23:37 firedigger: ending on the red tick for example
23:37 firedigger: looong slider are generally not preferable
23:38 Nitronic Techno: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4020734 more likr this?
23:40 firedigger: 01:25:553 (4) - why is a note here anyway?
23:41 firedigger: 01:25:283 (2,3,4) - I would prefer this all being note themselves (no slider ends)
23:41 firedigger: for exmaple just 3 notes
23:43 firedigger: 01:09:385 (6,7,8,1) - I think this spacing is slightly too much, easy to miss, even for top players
23:44 Nitronic Techno: so you wnat 01:24:744 (1,2,3,4,5) - http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4020753
23:44 firedigger: looks like a good idea
23:44 firedigger: kinda jumps
23:45 firedigger: and it the next similar places
23:45 Nitronic Techno: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4020758 01:09:385 (6,7,8,1) -
23:45 firedigger: also, I would recommend polishing stream shapes
23:45 firedigger: to make them rounder where possible
23:46 firedigger: 00:49:175 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this piece for exmaple
23:46 firedigger: 00:52:140 (10,11,12) - and these 3 notes should be ascending (complementing the circle)
23:47 Nitronic Techno: ik but i need some hard turns
23:47 firedigger: do you?
23:47 firedigger: a circle look hard enough
23:47 firedigger: 00:55:912 (4) - this note is a bit off the line
23:48 Nitronic Techno: no no that i change
23:48 Nitronic Techno: but the rest would need somewhat of a hard turn even it appears 2 times
23:49 firedigger: 01:18:637 (1,2,3,4) - fix those too
23:51 Nitronic Techno: 01:18:277 (1,1,2,3,4) - fix it's starts from where it left off
23:51 firedigger: I mean fixing the shape
23:51 firedigger: to be round
23:52 firedigger: 01:11:092 (5) - here I would make a 1/2 slider
23:52 firedigger: you can use it to reverse direction for the next stream
23:53 Nitronic Techno: 01:11:092 (1) - that shouldn't
23:54 Nitronic Techno: it should be 1/4 following the piano
23:54 Nitronic Techno: unless your talking another diff.
23:54 firedigger: just the piano gets really low volume there while 1/2 drums are heard
23:54 firedigger: and let's be honest
23:54 firedigger: everything that is not a 1/4 stream
23:54 firedigger: would complement map's variety
21:04 firedigger: the map looks better now, but what happened to 01:22:589 (1,2,3,4,5) - for example?
21:08 Nitronic Techno: it just to calm down after the stream bonanza in the middle i show you it and you agreed
21:08 firedigger: why is the strong sound missing?
21:09 firedigger: 01:21:511 (3) -
21:10 Nitronic Techno: wut?
21:10 Nitronic Techno: this 01:29:056 (1) -
21:12 firedigger: m?
21:12 *firedigger is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/827123 ICE - Precipitation [Expert]]
21:12 Nitronic Techno: yea ik your doing that
21:12 firedigger: there is a strong sound at the point I linked
21:12 firedigger: which had a note in the prev. version
21:13 firedigger: and it has nothing to do with the note you linked me
21:13 Nitronic Techno: link it again
21:13 firedigger: 01:21:511 (3) - note here is missing
21:14 Nitronic Techno: before or after the note of where it at
21:14 Nitronic Techno: saying note here is missing but there is a note is very confusing
21:14 firedigger: check the time
21:14 firedigger: it can't link to a note that's missing
21:15 firedigger: not sure where you editor points then
21:15 firedigger: but you can determine what time point I am talking about
21:15 Nitronic Techno: no when you link me it want to the note what the number did
21:15 Nitronic Techno: so your saying at the time which you link there should be a note
21:16 firedigger: it has a strong sound, like on (2)
21:16 firedigger: on the white tick
21:16 Nitronic Techno: what do ou mean it has a strong sound? it all the same
21:17 firedigger: a sound that needs a note
21:17 firedigger: while there's no note
21:19 Nitronic Techno: ok so i change it so that the strong sound in that section has a note
21:19 firedigger: I'll show you a pic of what I would make myself in that part
21:20 Nitronic Techno: here what i did http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4030892
21:23 firedigger: ha
21:23 firedigger: I don't even have to make a screenshot
21:24 firedigger: you see this? 00:00:673 (1,2,3,4) -
21:24 firedigger: here are 3 notes on the strong sounds
21:24 Nitronic Techno: like that?
21:24 Nitronic Techno: well yea
21:25 Nitronic Techno: it the START
21:25 Nitronic Techno: if you showed that example i would have fix it
21:26 firedigger: I just didn't notice that it is the same part as in the start of the song
21:26 firedigger: but do give you another example
21:26 Nitronic Techno: yep
21:26 firedigger: http://puu.sh/lAKnd/ab153a27ee.jpg
21:27 firedigger: here I emphasize 4 strong sounds
21:27 firedigger: instead of 3
21:27 firedigger: because I don't really like a strong sound being on the end of the slider
21:27 firedigger: but it's up to you
21:27 firedigger: just a matter of variety
21:29 Nitronic Techno: so can i do it like this
21:29 Nitronic Techno: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4030940
21:30 Nitronic Techno: and the next one be different
21:30 Nitronic Techno: and the next
21:30 Nitronic Techno: and the nex
21:30 firedigger: seems good
21:30 firedigger: after I noticed that it's you first map, I was surprised at how good it actually is for the level of complexity that an [Extra] should have
21:32 firedigger: 00:17:828 (1,2,3) - here I feel that a jump is needed before the piano starts. So maybe make slider shorter and place the stream farther
21:33 Nitronic Techno: it not my first map
21:33 Nitronic Techno: IT IS however the first map that someone has modded
21:34 firedigger: have you thought of ranking a map before?
21:35 Nitronic Techno: idk t/386267 in here someone posted on that part as well and said " ?00:17:738 (2); Remove this and extend 00:17:559 (1) to fill up the gap; it felt fairly awkward to play "
21:36 firedigger: I do not suggest removing the slider
21:37 Nitronic Techno: can you picture how you would like to see it
21:37 firedigger: yep
21:37 firedigger: http://puu.sh/lAKYX/a4c3410a59.jpg
21:37 firedigger: that's my opinion
21:37 Nitronic Techno: because alot of people who test before that post and after suggest to keep that
21:38 Nitronic Techno: oh you widen the spacing
21:38 firedigger: the slider sound is kind of pause before the drop
21:39 Nitronic Techno: is this good? tell me if you want it longer or shorter. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4031009
21:39 Nitronic Techno: the jump ofc
21:39 firedigger: looks good
21:40 firedigger: it's not like I know what is best
21:40 Nitronic Techno: ok
21:40 firedigger: I just have a feeling
21:40 Nitronic Techno: ik i get that as well
21:41 Nitronic Techno: because i though about ranking a map however I felt like i should wait until i done some good mapping experience and then help
21:43 Nitronic Techno: ok it updated now
21:43 Nitronic Techno: also stop missing word in the sentence you will confus-
21:44 firedigger: 00:11:631 (2,3,4) - I am not really a fan of such "quiet" triples which are barely heard, I would space them in as the corresponding sound is quite and background