GodOfPythons wrote:

Oh God, another Undertale map. That's the 7000th I've seen (today...). Anyhow, just some thoughts.

Things

This mapset doesn't have enough maps to be ranked, but I saw you revived it, so I assume you're working on that.
Other than that, just some suggestions to better this map.
Mapping things
00:22:296 (3) - consider removing this, if a 4 star difficulty feel is what you're going for, this is just unnecessary
beginning in general - also consider just not mapping the beginning to give players a chance to get tempo before they play. Also, spaced notes like this can be difficult to hit 300s, unless the player is good at listening (which newer players who pick up this map probably haven't developed yet) players who will be able to perform consistently on this difficulty should have no problem with this pattern in the beginning imo, but I'll consider reducing the spacing a little. Also I like having the beginning mapped

00:47:039 (3,4,5) - and 00:48:445 (2,3,4) - and the ones like it - are you sure triples are appropriate here? Nothing in the music I hear suggests they should be here (but feel free to use creativity) there are triplets in the music with the guitar if you set it to 25% speed

every pattern like 01:15:688 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - these don't fit with how the music is flowing. Consider changing them to match with something like 01:17:094 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - in which also that should not be a new combo (the whole phrase is one moment in the song)
01:21:312 (1,2) - this doesn't make sense, it deviates from the rhythm you've set, ie, this isn't consistent with what you've been doing. flow doesn't have to be consistent in the sense that everything follows a linear path, there will always be flow/patterns that break this 'rule'
01:23:421 (4,5,1,2,3,4) - same this plays fine
01:35:372 (1,2,3) - you could probably make this into one long hold slider for more effect. not a bad idea, but I feel that mapping the beats in the music with three objects feels nicer than having one long slider skip all those beats
01:53:651 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - same deal as above with the flow, it doesn't fit. The example I provided in context works better in my opinion.
02:15:797 (1,2,3,4) - consider simplifying this, a stream just doesn't fit here (ex: removing notes 2 and 4 in that combo) I think a stream fits nicely here due to there being one in the music, and it feels nice as an ending pattern to transition into the quieter part
02:21:079 (1,2,3) - this doesn't feel necessary, consider removing it, especially since it can catch people off-guard. perhaps this may be true for easier diffs, although it still wouldn't be a problem as osu has indicators for the end of a break approaching, and in addition players will also see the approach circles
the break that begins at 02:49:903 - consider mapping out this break, if you don't remove the above. It's the same pattern, so mapping a part of one but none of the other doesn't make sense. you're right in that mapping out the break could work, but I chose not to in order to place more emphasis on the next part where I started mapping again, since the current section is relatively calm and quiet
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That's just my opinions on this, you don't have to take them if you don't want to. I saw this map got revived and wanted to help a bit (if I was of any).
Have a nice day

CitrineYellow wrote:

Amazing map, giving it a star.

Zero__wind wrote:

just wondering why's there no red combo color
you know you need red to make up a rainbow~

Kibbleru wrote:

general
02:26:001 - i don't see the purpose of this red line fixed ms by +5
did i not dl the storyboard? or is something bugging out for me, i dont see ur 2 background sprites used at all ignore those two files; deleted

highest diff
01:46:972 (2) - this might be off screen nudged it left
02:03:669 (2,3,4) - dont make the spacing so similar fixed
00:46:160 (1,2) - at least make this stuff 1/4 lol 1/8 fits a lot better here imo since the strumming sound is very brief. 1/4 would make it seem too long imo
boring :X ur boring :X

hard
00:22:954 (3,4) - ? nice suggestion, changed

SPOILER

easy
01:26:936 (2) - might also be off screen
01:46:621 (3) - ^
02:14:742 (2) - ^
didnt actually check these, just might be offscreen in standard res.



also give me metadata :ok_hand:

HaibokuShounen wrote:

insane diff

insane diff
01:20:257 - 01:20:433 - the flow on this seems a bit iffy to me. try revisiting this section. fixed
00:50:381 - 00:51:433 - i see no reasons for these sliders to overlap like this, but to each his/her/their own.
01:36:779 - 01:37:306 - same problem as the first one i pointed out this one is fine since the angle is sharper
01:38:185 - 01:38:712 - flow seems iffy same as above
02:08:942 - 02:09:645 - maybe make the first slider and the second hit circle a bit farther apart I think this is fine since the other 1/4 rhythms I have in this section are also spaced the same

1. A few users complained about the BG being spoilerish. Consider searching for a different one, if you have a chance to.

1. 00:22:961 (1,1,1,1) - new combos are overused for no reason in the music. Please, avoid spamming them as it breaks the gameplay and HP Drain mechanics.
2. 00:46:162 (1,2) - neither 1/6 nor 00:47:568 (1,2) - 1/8 work for this part as the sliders feel forced and unnatural with the music. Things get even more confusing when you map the same musical pattern in another way (00:57:411 (1,2) ). Please, consider avoiding short kick sliders and try keeping the rhythm more consistent.

Bakari wrote:

Greetings. We have a few things to discuss before we continue with the set.

[General]

1. A few users complained about the BG being spoilerish. Consider searching for a different one, if you have a chance to.
   I understand their concern, however the background reveals literally nothing about the plot of the game. If I were to show this to someone who knows nothing about Undertale, they wouldn't give it a second thought. The background is literally just a character from the game; I don't see how it's any different if I make the background any other character. There isn't even any mention or clue hinting at what role the character plays (hell, it could even be the main character, but you wouldn't know unless I told you or if you already knew who it was then it's not a spoiler). I chose this background because out of all the ones I looked through this one looked the coolest to me when taking into account art quality and content. To conclude, a picture of a character from the game reveals nothing about the plot of the game (if I put a picture of Dumbledore as a background for my cool new Harry Potter OST, is that considered a spoiler too?)

[DREAMER]

1. 00:22:961 (1,1,1,1) - new combos are overused for no reason in the music. Please, avoid spamming them as it breaks the gameplay and HP Drain mechanics.
   yea you're right, I shouldn't spam NC just to map to the background lol
   also wouldn't want to break the game either
2. 00:46:162 (1,2) - [b]neither 1/6 nor 00:47:568 (1,2) - 1/8 work for this part as the sliders feel forced and unnatural with the music. Things get even more confusing when you map the same musical pattern in another way (00:57:411 (1,2) ). Please, consider avoiding short kick sliders and try keeping the rhythm more consistent.
   the 1/8 here is really cool in my opinion because I wanted to capture the guitar strumming effect with the first two 1/8s in each section. I know there isn't a sound at the end of the 1/8 slider but there is a very brief sound after each note and I determined that a 1/8 was the best way to map it (1/4 and 1/6 both being too long and wouldn't create the strumming effect I desired).
   
   You could argue that if I used circles it would've been literally the same thing since you click and release circles, but there is 0 movement and using circles just makes it feel 'flat' or one-dimensional (or just boring).nIf there was no strumming sound or anything that hinted towards it I wouldn't be using 1/8 here, in other words I'm not using 1/8 just because I can or 'just for fun'
   
   As for changing the rhythm, the music is clearly starting to change with the addition of the string/synth sounds so I used longer sliders to map those. You say my rhythm is inconsistent when in fact it is very consistent; in each of the two parts it's the same rhythm repeated each measure in the music, so I'm essentially only using two different types of rhythms. It's not like in each individual section I toss in a completely new rhythm (because I don't, there is a clear transition)

Bakari wrote:

Let's shift towards more lenient approach, I will actually agree with those 1/8 sliders as long as they're consistent since the reasoning seems to be fairly reasonable and there are people who can support you on that.

I remember a set where the same technique used to work fairly well but we couldn't get it ranked back then.

If we manage to let the kicksliders stay, 00:46:162 (1,2) - these should be 1/8, not 1/6, I assume.