Osu!Mania (4k) is like Stepmania with judge 5.5 or maybe 6, and getting an AA on stepmania is like getting 900k (maybe a bit less) on Osu!Mania
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4k Players can't gain PP. So here is my solution for this.
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If you play for accuracy, sure.akuma123 wrote:
Osu!Mania (4k) is like Stepmania with judge 5.5 or maybe 6, and getting an AA on stepmania is like getting 900k (maybe a bit less) on Osu!Mania
Ohh, and the LNs stuff xD
But the judgement between the equivalents for 200, 100, 50 and a miss are MUCH MUCH tighter; the only thing that is easier is the Marvelous count. Getting a SDP in SM is MUCH easier than O!M, but an SDG on SM is much less forgiving than one on O!M, at least from the statistics I've seen.
Playing maps to clear them / get an A on them / Hard clear is much less forgiving on SM than O!M, and that is, I am willing to bet on, a fact. Get some statistical nut to confirm that or something please.
i love it when people think clearing maps is a thing in o!m or sm
feesh-
If only I wanted to get more pp by 4k, I would definitely say "let your dreams be dreams" because of the system, 7k is another way to gain more pp, and not to mention that 5 stars map usually gives 300+ pp which is already good enough for me. Well, I do admit I fight for ranking, nut after reaching top 1500, I felt it's meaningless to continue playing, but I chose to play for fun.
An advice, want to get higher rank? Go practice some 7k and get a fresh new start from 7k and it's like how you start on 4 key.
An advice, want to get higher rank? Go practice some 7k and get a fresh new start from 7k and it's like how you start on 4 key.
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I totally agree with bad apple but i think the dev's are too busy to do a ranking system like that. I want to play for rank/pp, so i think starting to play 7k would be the best solution for now 
- Bad Apple - wrote:
It might sound stupid, but seperated rankings for 4k and 7k would be a great solution.
You would have 3 Tabs in your profile, one with your 4k pp (+rank), one with your 7k pp (+rank) and one with your total pp and rank, which would be the one you currently have.
Should be too much of an issue to code something like this either and would greatly enhance the ranking-experience for 4k only players like me
using that way, you would have a 4k #1 and a 7k #1 (and a combined one, obviously)
example, #1 in 4k would have a total of 7500pp, that way you know, that 7.5k is the maximum amount of pp you can get from 4k, as a result it feels better for 4k players with 6-6.5k pp.
very nice idea i thnk
To be considered the best mania player in the world you need to be proficient at all keymodes. That's what it should be like at least but we lack 5/6/8/9k maps. So until we get more pp maps in those keymodes 7k will be biased. Doing key specific rankings is a good idea, but it should be a secondary ranking (all keymode ranking should still be the main one) and will not happen because that would take too much time imho. Maybe someone could code a third-party site that can calculate those.
-Kamikaze- wrote:
To be considered the best mania player in the world you need to be proficient at all keymodes. That's what it should be like at least but we lack 5/6/8/9k maps. So until we get more pp maps in those keymodes 7k will be biased. Doing key specific rankings is a good idea, but it should be a secondary ranking (all keymode ranking should still be the main one) and will not happen because that would take too much time imho. Maybe someone could code a third-party site that can calculate those.
rank 1 mania player is not best at 4k in the world .... he's best at just 7k. learning 7k is enough to reach rank 1 at mania
bakadam wrote:
-Kamikaze- wrote:
To be considered the best mania player in the world you need to be proficient at all keymodes. That's what it should be like at least but we lack 5/6/8/9k maps. So until we get more pp maps in those keymodes 7k will be biased. Doing key specific rankings is a good idea, but it should be a secondary ranking (all keymode ranking should still be the main one) and will not happen because that would take too much time imho. Maybe someone could code a third-party site that can calculate those.
rank 1 mania player is not best at 4k in the world .... he's best at just 7k. learning 7k is enough to reach rank 1 at mania
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The Star Rating system should look more at density per column as well as the length of the densest part, instead of just plain nps. Then 4k maps would be rated higher and give more pp.
Nuff said.
Nuff said.
ty sir_underjoy wrote:
The Star Rating system should look more at density per column as well as the length of the densest part, instead of just plain nps. Then 4k maps would be rated higher and give more pp.
Nuff said.
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I can't clear half of Fullerene Shift on HP 4....BilliumMoto wrote:
i love it when people think clearing maps is a thing in o!m or sm
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How to mash like pro?
I love when people think there's a right way to judge achievements.BilliumMoto wrote:
i love it when people think clearing maps is a thing in o!m or sm
If you cleared a song you couldn't in the past, that's an achievement, period. Just like beating a personal best is an achievement, or any other goal you might set for yourself.
The star rating system and PP system are never going to be perfect, ever. Even if 95% of the community agrees that it's good enough, someone out there will disagree.
If you play for PP, get used to having to farm songs that are worth more PP. when we finally have a large selection of extremely difficult maps, get used to farming whichever ones are easier to get PP on, because even if the system improves, there will always be maps that are easier for certain players to get good PP from compared to others of the same difficulty level.
here's the ultimate solution : delete osu and play other games
goddamn nigga[-] wrote:
here's the ultimate solution : delete osu and play other games
btw if you want pp,
ppuxtu
60puxtu wrote:
goddamn nigga[-] wrote:
here's the ultimate solution : delete osu and play other games
btw if you want pp,help merank this shit https://osu.ppy.sh/s/342245
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Best solution ever, i will try it later ty.[-] wrote:
here's the ultimate solution : delete osu and play other games
I can't help but feel like this is only natural.
Four keys are naturally easier to keep track of rather than seven.. It requires more skill to begin with. Then you can argue that some 4k insanes are much faster and require more stamina than most 7k insanes that focus on more intricate patterns, but then it comes down to the song and how mappable it is. You can't just overmap a song in 4k and justify your mapping with "Welp, 4k needs harder mapz", that just doesn't work in most song cases.
I can map a beatmania song in both 4k and 7k and the 7k will be harder just for the fact that there are more keys to work with and more possibilites to create crazy patterns with a song that was MADE to be played on a rhythm game. If I try to make a 4k version that's even close to beeing as difficult, I would have many many problems doing so just because there are less keys to work with, leaving me only speed to rely on to higher the difficulty.
tl;dr: It's easier to map really hard 7k map without overmapping and hard to do so in 4k without a really good song, thus 7k giving more PP in general
P.S.: Good song = one that can be mapped in many different ways and has a lot of background melodies, to notice the difference compare a "standard" hip hop /rap hit song to a SDVX song and you'll get what I mean..
Four keys are naturally easier to keep track of rather than seven.. It requires more skill to begin with. Then you can argue that some 4k insanes are much faster and require more stamina than most 7k insanes that focus on more intricate patterns, but then it comes down to the song and how mappable it is. You can't just overmap a song in 4k and justify your mapping with "Welp, 4k needs harder mapz", that just doesn't work in most song cases.
I can map a beatmania song in both 4k and 7k and the 7k will be harder just for the fact that there are more keys to work with and more possibilites to create crazy patterns with a song that was MADE to be played on a rhythm game. If I try to make a 4k version that's even close to beeing as difficult, I would have many many problems doing so just because there are less keys to work with, leaving me only speed to rely on to higher the difficulty.
tl;dr: It's easier to map really hard 7k map without overmapping and hard to do so in 4k without a really good song, thus 7k giving more PP in general
P.S.: Good song = one that can be mapped in many different ways and has a lot of background melodies, to notice the difference compare a "standard" hip hop /rap hit song to a SDVX song and you'll get what I mean..
lol I've COMPLETELY given up on PP and leveling up. I just play for the fun and the competitive spirit (and the streams)akuma123 wrote:
Stop playing for PP, that works too
why pepole are still posting here
Chyo-Kun, you can always create dump charts for hard 4k. It's a shame they're so looked down upon compared to technical charts.
Isn't the entire key # discussion pointless with SR as fucked up as it is?
As long as you can just add bogus notes you can make whatever star diff you like, look through https://osu.ppy.sh/b/770127&m=3 if you need an example.
Best to just ignore ranked completely, 'till SR gets overhauled (sometime next century.. maybe).
As long as you can just add bogus notes you can make whatever star diff you like, look through https://osu.ppy.sh/b/770127&m=3 if you need an example.
Best to just ignore ranked completely, 'till SR gets overhauled (sometime next century.. maybe).
Just deal with the fact that o!m is not a 4K only game
Thisextase wrote:
Just deal with the fact that o!m is not a 4K only game
mr r3trd pls. stfu and gtf get the fooh-Kamikaze- wrote:
why pepole are still posting here
dude I haven't laughed that hard since last week, thanksbakadam wrote:
mr r3trd pls. stfu and gtf get the fooh-Kamikaze- wrote:
why pepole are still posting here
Teach me your language please qAqbakadam wrote:
mr r3trd pls. stfu and gtf get the fooh-Kamikaze- wrote:
why pepole are still posting here
>me irl
4k and 7k are both for bad players play 14k you fucking scrubs
buy a piano
buy a piano
LR2's 7k = osu's 8kTidek wrote:
What? If you are good at 4k here, you will be on the same level at 4k in stepmania, same in 7k here and LR2. Rank here doesnt matter because unfortunately its not seperated by keymodes.Cuppp wrote:
4k? Play stepmania
7k? Play lr2 or o2jam
There you can get a real sense of how shit you really are at rhythm games from playing osu and that rank doesn't matter.
There's no 8k in osu
LR2 > osu confirmed
I want official Dan Courses.
Ranking hard 4k maps won't help much because most 7k players can do an OK job in 4k, whereas 4k players are usually able to play very few, if not none, of the 7k hard maps. Then you add the PP up and 4k players are still disadvantaged.
Not to mention that speaking of quantity, there are far more ranked 4k maps than 7k maps. I remember that there's a time point that out of the 20 or something qualified maps only 3 of them are 7k.
Seriously, learn different key modes and enjoy the game. I sometimes wonder that what does "7k player" even mean. To me there are only players who "only play 4k" and who "play 4k as well as other key modes."
lol
Not to mention that speaking of quantity, there are far more ranked 4k maps than 7k maps. I remember that there's a time point that out of the 20 or something qualified maps only 3 of them are 7k.
Seriously, learn different key modes and enjoy the game. I sometimes wonder that what does "7k player" even mean. To me there are only players who "only play 4k" and who "play 4k as well as other key modes."
lol
jesus christ who cares let this piece of shit thread die
what are you talking about this is the best thread of my life
This isn't true-- There are more ranked 7K maps than 4K. It may be true that recently most of the maps that are getting ranked are 4K though.[Crz]Kemo wrote:
Not to mention that speaking of quantity, there are far more ranked 4k maps than 7k maps. I remember that there's a time point that out of the 20 or something qualified maps only 3 of them are 7k.
And it's rare to have a 7K player who can play 4K at the same level as people who actually specialize in it...
