kradness&Reol - Okochama Sensou

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alacat
Misuzuさんこんにちは!すこしだけ気になった点を・・・

Artistの"kradness&れをる"ですが、公式の動画だと&が全角になってるみたいなので"kradness&れをる"を使ったほうがいいと思いました。
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22349109

あと、wMw's Advancedの難易度の02:22:375 (4) - のスライダーの折り返しの部分が2msほどずれているので修正したほうがいいかと・・・

もし修正する場合はsmallboatさんかKagetsuさんにRebubble貰ってください :) 頑張って~!
Topic Starter
Kamio Misuzu
こんにちはalacatさん
わかりました、あとで直します :)
最近ちょっと忙しいので、次のBNが見たあとあらためてrebubbleします
チェックありがとうね :)
smallboat
Rebubble >_< /
Zero__wind
各位朋友(rbq)们大家好 这是个惊喜

General
关掉所有diff的宽屏支持

Mei's Normal
00:26:147 (1,2) - blanket? 弧度大一点类似00:25:462 (4) -
00:53:576 (1) - 头上whistle+finish吧 和01:48:433 (1) - 保持一致 后面02:58:376 (1) - 这个也是加finish
01:12:776 (1) - finish
02:50:147 (1) - soft finish?

wMw's Advanced
00:04:890 (2) - 尾巴上也clap 和前面是一样的鼓
00:15:862 (2,1,2,3) - 这间距简直太难读了 1/1的那么小1/2的又大 至少把00:15:862 (2,1) - 间距调大到1.2x
00:36:262 (4) - 音乐里有鼓的地方反而不whistle吗
00:43:633 (3) - 头上clap
01:31:119 (2,3,1) - 间距1.4x
01:34:719 (1,1) - 最好避免这个overlap 很难看 可以考虑01:35:404 (2,3,1) - 一起往左下一些
01:39:862 (2,1) - 间距1.4x
01:42:090 (2,3) - ^
01:55:290 (1,2) - 想画blanket又不画好的感觉
02:07:633 (5) - finish?
02:21:347 (1,2,3,4) - 这里哪里有四分拍 低难度也要overmap的吗 都换成1/2滑条
02:26:833 (1,2,3) - 这是什么节奏 就从保持从白线上起滑条跟vocal不好吗
02:37:804 (1,3) - 要blanket就包好点吧
02:46:376 (2) - 尾巴上的clap去掉
02:49:119 (2) - 02:50:490 (2) - ^
03:12:090 (1,2,3) - 这flow感觉好差能不能把往右上一些比如挪到(168,100)然后相应地调整一下3的位置比如顺时针转一点

Frey's Hard
01:39:862 (4) - 感觉这个换成1/2比较好 红线上有音 而且现在这样听起来好难受……
02:45:347 (3,4) - 我觉得这里没必要间距搞这么大 02:46:033 (1) - 上面又没有重音什么的 一定要跳一下的话最多1.4x吧
02:56:833 (1,2,3) - 三连叠在尾巴上?前面两段kiai都是叠着的

JJburst's Insane
00:10:890 (1,2) - NC挪到2? 感觉00:10:890 (1) - 和前面的放在一组比较连贯
00:43:119 (3,4) - 尾巴叠起来呗现在这看着好乱
00:49:633 (1) - 建议去掉这个NC不然感觉还是之前00:48:090 (1,1,1,1,1) - 的1/1节奏一样
00:56:319 (1) - 头上需要finish
01:10:719 (5,6) - 我感觉这个1/4的间距很难读 前面01:10:033 (1) - 这里sv都已经慢成这样了然后突然搞个1/4跳 完全意料之外 你可以比较一下 比你高速部分的01:05:747 (1,2) - 01:07:290 (1,2) - 的1/4间距都要大。我是觉得最好不要这样跳
01:41:919 (2,4) - 感觉这两个clap好吵可以去掉吗 这里根本就没有地鼓的音啊 这段慢速段里面加点whistle倒是可以
01:46:204 (3,4,5,6,7) - 感觉这里三连放太多导致flow很拖沓 kiai一开始的地方一直在原地三连打得很难受 建议把01:46:290 (4) - 去掉把01:46:204 (3,5) - 分开摆
02:07:119 (4) - 这里可以考虑NC一下提示节奏变化 或者你就不要再在这个地方叠着 跳到别的地方去比较好
02:15:347 (4,5) - 感觉这里的节奏先circle后slider 让02:15:004 (3) - 和02:15:347 - 这里的一个circle和02:14:490 (1,2) - 配对会好得多,和键盘音的规律比较相符而且这样你就可以在02:15:519 - 这个鼓点上起滑条
02:38:490 (3,4,1,2,3,4) - 感觉这里用这么小间距很奇怪……
02:40:890 (2) - clap换成whistle
03:13:804 (3,4,5) - 这白线三连是什么鬼?我们好好做图不要几把好不好

Extra
00:38:490 (1) - 这个换成1/2滑条吧不管是跟vocal还是从伴奏来看在红线结束都比现在这个蓝线好
00:49:804 (1) - 这里也是用1/2比较好吧 毕竟键盘音还有鼓音都是在红线00:49:976 - 这里
01:10:547 (2,3,4,5,6) - 感觉这节奏挺难读的 我会建议把01:10:976 (4,5) - 一起往前挪四分拍然后在01:11:147 - 再叠一个circle到6头上 这样你的鼓音全都在滑条头上我觉得玩家还比较好把握 不过那样大概需要调整一下间距不然突然跳得有点大
01:26:490 (1,2,3,4,5) - 这里我觉得你直接把01:27:176 (1,2,3) - 复制CTRL+H挪过去表现力会更强一些
01:38:661 (3,1) - 这里间距太小了 感觉很容易被和01:39:004 (1,2) - 一起读成三连 最好拉远一点
01:58:719 (5) - clap
02:05:833 (4,5,6) - 03:15:776 (4,5,1) - 同01:10:976 (4,5,6) -
02:40:547 (1,1,1) - 这里哪里有鼓啊= = 换成S:C1的whistle好不好
03:02:147 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - 这里NC太多了啊 看着前面两段的用法删掉两个吧

就这些吧改好了叫我
Topic Starter
Kamio Misuzu

Zero__wind wrote:

Extra
00:38:490 (1) - 这个换成1/2滑条吧不管是跟vocal还是从伴奏来看在红线结束都比现在这个蓝线好 好,改了
00:49:804 (1) - 这里也是用1/2比较好吧 毕竟键盘音还有鼓音都是在红线00:49:976 - 这里 这里不太想改。。很多modder都说过这里,我也知道那里有鼓音,但我想表现的是背景那个嘟~的音以及和后面四个咚咚咚咚配合起来的节奏- -。。
01:10:547 (2,3,4,5,6) - 感觉这节奏挺难读的 我会建议把01:10:976 (4,5) - 一起往前挪四分拍然后在01:11:147 - 再叠一个circle到6头上 这样你的鼓音全都在滑条头上我觉得玩家还比较好把握 不过那样大概需要调整一下间距不然突然跳得有点大 这里我照你这样改了一下发现确实这样也行,但还是不太想改。之前找很多人test过,难度是没问题的,毕竟也是这图的最高难度了。而且最主要01:11:062 (5,6) - 我是想把这俩音划分为一组的,突出表现了一下
01:26:490 (1,2,3,4,5) - 这里我觉得你直接把01:27:176 (1,2,3) - 复制CTRL+H挪过去表现力会更强一些 啊。。我跟的是vocal,前面へたれじゃない偏向四个音,后面ひよってない促音偏向两个音 0.0
01:38:661 (3,1) - 这里间距太小了 感觉很容易被和01:39:004 (1,2) - 一起读成三连 最好拉远一点 是有点近了。。改了
01:58:719 (5) - clap OK
02:05:833 (4,5,6) - 03:15:776 (4,5,1) - 同01:10:976 (4,5,6) -
02:40:547 (1,1,1) - 这里哪里有鼓啊= = 换成S:C1的whistle好不好 好。你别说,我还真对音效一窍不通。。
03:02:147 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - 这里NC太多了啊 看着前面两段的用法删掉两个吧 ok,改了
谢谢! :)
Frey

Zero__wind wrote:

Frey's Hard
01:39:862 (4) - 感觉这个换成1/2比较好 红线上有音 而且现在这样听起来好难受…… 我把这一段里所有3/4的滑条尾消音了
02:45:347 (3,4) - 我觉得这里没必要间距搞这么大 02:46:033 (1) - 上面又没有重音什么的 一定要跳一下的话最多1.4x吧 Hard里面1.6x应该都不算影响难度评定的大间距吧...我觉得没问题,也不会影响gap
02:56:833 (1,2,3) - 三连叠在尾巴上?前面两段kiai都是叠着的 嘛..最后一段可以稍微增加点难度是吧?
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268,339,192090,6,0,P|270:300|276:262,1,77.5,4|0,0:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
384,236,192433,2,0,P|381:274|375:312,1,77.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
276,262,192776,1,0,0:0:0:0:
316,184,192947,1,2,0:0:0:0:
384,236,193119,1,8,0:0:0:0:
424,158,193290,6,0,L|256:132,1,155,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
244,28,193804,1,8,0:0:0:0:
244,28,193976,1,0,0:0:0:0:
160,48,194147,2,0,P|150:89|148:128,1,77.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
164,208,194490,2,0,P|160:246|152:284,1,77.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
68,304,194833,5,4,0:2:0:0:
0,252,195004,1,0,0:0:0:0:
92,192,195176,1,8,0:0:0:0:
151,284,195347,1,0,0:0:0:0:
151,284,195519,2,0,P|211:280|247:280,1,77.5,4|0,0:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
284,216,195862,2,0,P|322:217|361:220,1,77.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
372,136,196204,5,2,0:0:0:0:
288,132,196376,1,0,0:0:0:0:
204,128,196547,2,0,L|92:120,1,77.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
72,217,196890,5,2,0:0:0:0:
164,204,197062,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,191,197233,2,0,L|348:179,1,77.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
126,122,197576,1,2,0:0:0:0:
126,122,197747,1,2,0:0:0:0:
216,98,197919,5,0,0:0:0:0:
216,98,198004,1,0,0:0:0:0:
216,98,198090,1,0,0:0:0:0:
216,98,198176,1,0,0:0:0:0:
216,98,198262,2,0,B|228:70|256:58|292:62|320:98|308:134|288:154|256:164|256:164|256:192,1,216.999993377686,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,276,198947,1,4,0:2:0:0:

Thanks for modding! :)
Topic Starter
Kamio Misuzu
wmw比较忙我就帮他改摸了
all fixed :)

EDIT: Mei 和 唧唧爆炸也全改了
Zero__wind
嗯还有一点之前没太注意到的问题想确认一下

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01:33:176 (10) - 为什么这里是3/8 slider?全图只有这一个的样子而且我也搞不懂这是跟的什么 感觉还是1/4会比较好
03:05:747 (3) - 为什么只有这个circle是叠在折返那一头的感觉好坑啊= = 前面kiai里面好几处节奏相同的地方全都是叠在头上而不是在折返那边的 就这一个不一样

没别的了
Topic Starter
Kamio Misuzu

Zero__wind wrote:

嗯还有一点之前没太注意到的问题想确认一下

Extra
01:33:176 (10) - 为什么这里是3/8 slider?全图只有这一个的样子而且我也搞不懂这是跟的什么 感觉还是1/4会比较好 改了
03:05:747 (3) - 为什么只有这个circle是叠在折返那一头的感觉好坑啊= = 前面kiai里面好几处节奏相同的地方全都是叠在头上而不是在折返那边的 就这一个不一样 摆的时候没想这么多,随意下的- -。。好,改了

没别的了
3q~
Zero__wind
没毛病
Ranked.

为什么这图我打着打着房间灯泡炸了
Topic Starter
Kamio Misuzu
非常感谢! :)
_Meep_
banzai !
Namki
yay, congrats!
Topic Starter
Kamio Misuzu
thanks :)
Lobelia
Wow~~
Myxo
Good mapping, however the mp3 is really badly cropped during the choruses and especially the sections like 00:06:947 -. If you don't know what I mean refer to this waveform (the red parts show where it's way too loud):


This issue also leads to the hitnormals being inaudible (though this might depend on the headphones used) in those sections. 00:06:947 - For example, in this section, all I can hear is the custom clap hitsound.

The best solution would be to use a program like Audacity to turn down the volume until it looks somehow like this:

If you want to use that mp3 I created, here you go: http://puu.sh/vDALT/05fb4ddf68.mp3 Note that the timing might have changed slightly, though.

I hope this problem can be resolved before this map goes to ranked. Good luck! :)
Topic Starter
Kamio Misuzu
ok i'll check it later


EDIT: @Desperate-kun umh..sorry, I try to changed the mp3, but i can't found any differences by my headphone...as you said the 00:06:947 - , the hitsound can be heard clearly imo, i think it won't be a trouble to players :(

Anyway, thank you for your checking!
Myxo
Really, you can't hear how clipped your mp3 sounds? It is very noisy and that's not just my headphones (which is obvious from the pictures too, if you understand a bit how waveforms work).
Topic Starter
Kamio Misuzu
I can't read the waveform, i can only judge it by my ears. it's really not a trouble to me, and i think most of players wont notice it when they play this beatmap.
Myxo
Okay, I talked to some people about it and reducing the volume of the mp3 would only fix the issue partially (it would reduce the noise but wouldn't fix the clipping), so it would require searching for an alltogether better mp3, but my inaudible hitsounding issue still stands. I'd like to get some more opinions on this topic.

EDIT: Well, now it's ranked. Congratz I guess :D
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