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Is specializing on a mod important?

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Originality
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Originality
Hey!

"Cherish the fact that you're a nomod player. It means you don't rely on silly 6% score buttons to make your skills worth it.
Cherish the fact that you're a [X] mod player. It means you're able to play and compete with a decent skillset tailored to the difficulty of mods.

Try out a lot of things! It's valuable to get some advice or do some research before settling on any practice commitments though."

He absolutely nailed it.

I'd say don't worry about specializing in a mod right now, in my opinion you'll get more out of reading new maps nomod than trying to go back and work on old maps using DT/HR. That being said, I think we're all guilty at some point of going back and being like "I wonder if I can get rank top 50 on that easy song from that anime I really like", but that's different from playing mods all the time. Do what fits your play style the best -- but from what I've seen in the forums (and asked myself/done) it's better to not worry about mods until later. But it works for some people earlier. Do what works for YOU. And have fun!

As to the specializing in one mod, it seems like a lot of people start out doing DT, then move on to HR, then somewhere in there HD gets thrown in. Hope this helps! :D
otoed1
639 posts
Joined May 2014
otoed1
ITT: People who think that DT = EZ PP

There are nomod pp farm maps too y'no.
blahpy
297 posts
Joined November 2013
blahpy

Endaris wrote:

If you can't read Hidden on AR6 and AR7 then you can't read Hidden at all.
I can't tell if this is a really bad joke or you've never actually tried hidden on AR6 or AR7 before, please enlighten me
Endaris
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Endaris
That's not a bad joke and I play Hidden with AR6 and 7.
Not that often cause as mentioned by a loli it's a skill that is not very applicable on maps of higher difficulty but I do.
The time difference between appearance of the circle and perfect time for the click is just way too low on AR9 and above to claim that you "can play Hidden". Maybe you scratched the very surface of it and can even use it for pp combined with HR due to the notedensity shrinking so much that Hidden isn't that big of a challenge anymore(readingwise). But it doesn't suffice to say that you can properly play HD.
Mahogany
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Joined August 2014
Mahogany
@OP

That quote isn't relevant to you right now. (I really hope that doesn't make me sound like a patronizing dick, sorry if it does)

Until you get to a certain point, neither HR nor DT require specialization. Playing Easies, Normals, or Hards on HR/DT won't make you better at HR/DT simply because the values changed aren't significant enough to actually represent the difficulties with HR/DT.

I wouldn't worry about it for the time being.

Later on, for sure specializing in a mod is a good idea. I'm pretty sure the highest ranked mainly nomod player is like ~500. You're going to start having to play mods at some point, but I'd advise focusing on developing solid fundamentals first, since that's a long way off.
buny
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Joined March 2012
buny

Endaris wrote:

That's not a bad joke and I play Hidden with AR6 and 7.
Not that often cause as mentioned by a loli it's a skill that is not very applicable on maps of higher difficulty but I do.
The time difference between appearance of the circle and perfect time for the click is just way too low on AR9 and above to claim that you "can play Hidden". Maybe you scratched the very surface of it and can even use it for pp combined with HR due to the notedensity shrinking so much that Hidden isn't that big of a challenge anymore(readingwise). But it doesn't suffice to say that you can properly play HD.
A lot of people can play the hidden on the appropriate AR of that map, claiming a person can't read HD because they play it on a higher AR is just silly.

Like I said before,

a loli wrote:

Endaris wrote:

If you can't read Hidden on AR6 and AR7 then you can't read Hidden at all.
this really raises my blood pressure. This is almost as stupid as saying "WELL IF YOU CAN'T READ EZ YOU CAN'T READ LOW AR AT ALL"
Because learning to read AR6/7 is an unnecessary skill set, there are absolutely no high difficulty maps that require you to be able to read those AR, and afaik there are no maps ranked above 5* that are that AR as well.
Not being able to play low AR HD doesn't mean you can't play HD. It just means you can't play HD at that AR.

It's also going to depend on what map you're playing HD on. The only hard maps that are below AR8 are the ones you'll have to play on EZ mod or you'll need to edit it in editor, and then after that what categorises as the standard "IF YOU HD THIS U CAN READ HD" map? I'm 100% sure you'll shit yourself on big black AR 6 HD, does that mean you can't play HD?
Demilak
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Joined February 2013
Demilak
Being a no-mod player, though probably the hardest for pp farming. Still, with effort you can be a 3-digit player without playing any mods. It's easier now than ever since we have so many high difficulty maps being ranked.

For most people though, the progression goes AR9->AR8+DT->HR->AR9+DT

I've seen a lot of people try take shortcuts to climb ranks faster, like playing HR before they can even read AR9 properly, and it always seems to just set them back.
chainpullz
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Joined June 2013
chainpullz

a loli wrote:

I'm 100% sure you'll shit yourself on big black AR 6 HD, does that mean you can't play HD?
SHHH they can't handle the truth.
-JaZe-
93 posts
Joined April 2013
-JaZe-

a loli wrote:

that's because you haven't read the multiple posts this guy and his friend posts in threads that involves nomod/dt. Nearly every thread involving these subjects involve them arguing dt is pp farm and nomod is the only way to get valid pp
Oh, I know about him. Isn't he the guy who ragequit the "why do people hate on dt" thread because people (read: you) dared to express opinions contrary to his? I was amused that you quoted him on one of the rare posts where he's not being a moronic hater.
Barusamikosu
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Barusamikosu
You should specialize in enjoying game.
Endaris
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Endaris

chainpullz wrote:

a loli wrote:

I'm 100% sure you'll shit yourself on big black AR 6 HD, does that mean you can't play HD?
SHHH they can't handle the truth.
That's more because I can't handle Big Black over AR6+HD though xd
On 4 star maps I think I'd be able to pull a decent job.

Not being able to play low AR HD doesn't mean you can't play HD. It just means you can't play HD at that AR.
Reversed argument.
Being able to play high AR with HD doesn't mean you can play HD. It just means you can play HD at that AR.
As I already stated, the higher the AR the easier it is to read with HD and the easier it is to get good accuracy.
Plus I never said that you have to play AR7 HD all the time to prove that you're good at it, I mean that you should be capable of doing it and that the skill to play AR7+HD assures that you will also do decently on AR9+HD(provided the map is in your skillrange) while the opposite is very questionable.

I also want to apologize for being sort of a dick by turning this quote into something too personal.

a loli wrote:

HD is absolutely trash on easier maps due to the general slowness of them.
I still think that playing HD on these maps is a fun challenge :P
-Makishima S-
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-Makishima S-
because people (read: you) dared to express opinions contrary to his?
Reason was completly diffrent. I respect his opinion like i respect everyone else opinion, i don't respect his agressive toxic speach and forcebly searching things to just went full retard mode against me. Just saying.

You should specialize in enjoying game.
MVP on this topic.

"Please enjoy game" and play whatever gives you fun.
Rilene
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Rilene
I wonder why do people take seriously and debate on a game about clicking circles.
Lapoozza
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Topic Starter
Lapoozza

Rilene wrote:

I wonder why do people take seriously and debate on a game about clicking circles.
To take a break from clicking circles :P .
buny
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Joined March 2012
buny

Rilene wrote:

I wonder why do people take seriously and debate on a game about clicking circles.
You can generalise anything like that, why take anything seriously or debate about anything?

Why take life seriously if we end up dead anyway? Why not just neck yourself now?
ithgyu
468 posts
Joined October 2014
ithgyu
No its not important, at your rank you shouldnt focus on any mods, later on playing both dt and hr is helpful both for getting better at the game and for getting ranks
Rilene
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Rilene

a loli wrote:

Rilene wrote:

I wonder why do people take seriously and debate on a game about clicking circles.
You can generalise anything like that, why take anything seriously or debate about anything?

Why take life seriously if we end up dead anyway? Why not just neck yourself now?
That's not my point.
buny
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buny
You did a terrible job portraying it, then.
ithgyu
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Joined October 2014
ithgyu

Rilene wrote:

I wonder why do people take seriously and debate on a game about clicking circles.
Why do you think people take it seriously, its really not hard to figure out, when you invest a lot of time into something, and you enjoy playing to be good, and you enjoy taking it seriously, of course you are going to take it seriously. Some people just prefer not to be filthy casuals.
Rilene
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Rilene

II Jelli II wrote:

Rilene wrote:

I wonder why do people take seriously and debate on a game about clicking circles.
Why do you think people take it seriously, its really not hard to figure out, when you invest a lot of time into something, and you enjoy playing to be good, and you enjoy taking it seriously, of course you are going to take it seriously. Some people just prefer not to be filthy casuals.
Well, that's a legit point and reason.

a loli wrote:

You did a terrible job portraying it, then.
Oh man, games are for fun, not a serious business.
"serious fun" is ok but "serious" is not since that is not a point of the game.

It is getting bit out of topic now.
Roxy Lalonde
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Joined June 2014
Roxy Lalonde
I'm serious about my practice and how I practice. But i mean, there are priorities and I make sure I enjoy the game. :)

As an umbrella statement I'd say that you should only start specializing in a mod when you can consistently 97% FC 4.9-5.1 star maps (and of various kinds, not just stream maps or jump maps).
chainpullz
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Joined June 2013
chainpullz

Proph Nobster wrote:

I'm serious about my practice and how I practice. But i mean, there are priorities and I make sure I enjoy the game. :)

As an umbrella statement I'd say that you should only start specializing in a mod when you can consistently 97% FC 4.9-5.1 star maps (and of various kinds, not just stream maps or jump maps).
97% on od7 is a joke. If you have that same unstable rate on od9 or od10 your acc will be like 90%. Even od8 is easy in comparison. You should shoot for 99% otherwise your acc with DT/HR is going to be garbage.
Endaris
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Joined June 2010
Endaris

chainpullz wrote:

Proph Nobster wrote:

I'm serious about my practice and how I practice. But i mean, there are priorities and I make sure I enjoy the game. :)

As an umbrella statement I'd say that you should only start specializing in a mod when you can consistently 97% FC 4.9-5.1 star maps (and of various kinds, not just stream maps or jump maps).
97% on od7 is a joke. If you have that same unstable rate on od9 or od10 your acc will be like 90%.
No, worse :x
99%+ on OD7 turns into 90-94% on OD9.8 for me. Can easily get such acc with 110 UR. Sad life.
gh0st-
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Joined December 2013
gh0st-

Barusamikosu wrote:

You should specialize in enjoying game.
Try all the mods. If you like one, then play it, if you don't, then don't play it.

And to whoever said "if you can't read HD at lower AR's, you can't read HD at all"
You gave me an aneurysm.
ZenithPhantasm
ZenithPhantasm
pls enjoy game or uninstall
Yuudachi-kun
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Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
Get all the pp you can in your skillset and enjoy doing it


wee woow eewooweewoowoeeewooo pp police
Yakuyan
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Joined November 2011
Yakuyan
Unless you want to play in tourneys and all that then its kind of a requirement for all mods. Seriously though, why does it matter whether or not you are good at HD or HR or nothing? People who criticize really have nothing else better to do. Play whatever.
Minhtam
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Joined September 2014
Minhtam
I find this topic considerably asinine. Of course you don't need to specialize on a mod. You only "need to specialize on a mod" if you want to. People who say that kind of stuff are the people who think the PP rankings determine how good a player is without realizing that the ranking system can change at any time.
ithgyu
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Joined October 2014
ithgyu

gh0st- wrote:

And to whoever said "if you can't read HD at lower AR's, you can't read HD at all"
You gave me an aneurysm.
He makes my head hurt on a threadly basis
buny
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buny

chainpullz wrote:

Proph Nobster wrote:

I'm serious about my practice and how I practice. But i mean, there are priorities and I make sure I enjoy the game. :)

As an umbrella statement I'd say that you should only start specializing in a mod when you can consistently 97% FC 4.9-5.1 star maps (and of various kinds, not just stream maps or jump maps).
97% on od7 is a joke. If you have that same unstable rate on od9 or od10 your acc will be like 90%. Even od8 is easy in comparison. You should shoot for 99% otherwise your acc with DT/HR is going to be garbage.
you could have 30 unstable rate and be 80% acc on OD5...
ithgyu
468 posts
Joined October 2014
ithgyu
you can have 16% acc od1 with 0 unstable rate
chainpullz
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Joined June 2013
chainpullz

a loli wrote:

chainpullz wrote:

97% on od7 is a joke. If you have that same unstable rate on od9 or od10 your acc will be like 90%. Even od8 is easy in comparison. You should shoot for 99% otherwise your acc with DT/HR is going to be garbage.
you could have 30 unstable rate and be 80% acc on OD5...
You can't have 99% acc 30ur on od7 and then, going to od5 suddenly have 80% acc with the same hits. But thanks for stating the obvious and taking my words out of context.
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun
When I say UR I always assume the + and - interval in your hit error is about the same, that way a lower ur is always better acc.


I can never beat +8 -8 no matter how hard I try.
-JaZe-
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Joined April 2013
-JaZe-

Khelly wrote:

When I say UR I always assume the + and - interval in your hit error is about the same, that way a lower ur is always better acc.


I can never beat +8 -8 no matter how hard I try.
I have a play that's -8.5 +6.5, so technically, with perfect offset, it would've been within -8 +8 :D

The minus number always seems a bit higher than the plus number for me...
Endaris
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Endaris

II Jelli II wrote:

you can have 16% acc od1 with 0 unstable rate

II Jelli II wrote:

He makes my head hurt on a threadly basis
-JaZe-
93 posts
Joined April 2013
-JaZe-

Endaris wrote:

II Jelli II wrote:

you can have 16% acc od1 with 0 unstable rate

II Jelli II wrote:

He makes my head hurt on a threadly basis
Based on my understanding of UR, which is that it is a function of standard deviation, he is *technically* correct. (I will agree that his point is kind of silly, though)
buny
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Joined March 2012
buny

chainpullz wrote:

You can't have 99% acc 30ur on od7 and then, going to od5 suddenly have 80% acc with the same hits. But thanks for stating the obvious and taking my words out of context.
How am I taking it out of context? If anything, you're taking my post out of context as I never said anything about having the same hits, only the same unstable rate.
Low or high unstable rate does not translate directly to accuracy, you must be an idiot if you think otherwise.


Read this again, because you clearly have some sort of disability:

a loli wrote:

chainpullz wrote:

97% on od7 is a joke. If you have that same unstable rate on od9 or od10 your acc will be like 90%. Even od8 is easy in comparison. You should shoot for 99% otherwise your acc with DT/HR is going to be garbage.
you could have 30 unstable rate and be 80% acc on OD5...
Sure you could get 97% on OD7, that doesn't automatically mean that you'll get a lower acc on higher OD. Unstable rate is the consistency in the beats hit, a 150 unstable rate 99% play on OD7 can be a 99% play on OD10 as well, even if the notes hit were exactly the same times as the OD7 play.

And for all you know, that 97% play could be 5 unstable rate.

Since you're too stupid to comprehend the point of my previous post, I'll have to explain to you the argument: UNSTABLE RATE DOES NOT TRANSLATE DIRECTLY TO ACCURACY, YOU MUST BE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE
chainpullz
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Joined June 2013
chainpullz

a loli wrote:

Since you're too stupid to comprehend the point of my previous post, I'll have to explain to you the argument: UNSTABLE RATE DOES NOT TRANSLATE DIRECTLY TO ACCURACY, YOU MUST BE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE
Ah, but you seem to misunderstand. I am not arguing over what is possible, I'm arguing over what is plausible. As has been stated, you can have a 16% acc fc with 0 ur on od0. Possible? Yes. Plausible? No. Please take your degenerate arguments elsewhere.
buny
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buny
It actually is plausible though, just hyperbole


Back to the main point, unstable rate doesn't determine your accuracy, and I really want to know why you think lower acc means higher unstable rate or the other way around, because unless you're going to refute my point then I'll freely call you whatever the fuck I want.
Roxy Lalonde
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Joined June 2014
Roxy Lalonde

a loli wrote:

It actually is plausible though, just hyperbole


Back to the main point, unstable rate doesn't determine your accuracy, and I really want to know why you think lower acc means higher unstable rate or the other way around, because unless you're going to refute my point then I'll freely call you whatever the fuck I want.
fite

anyways, if you can comfortably play the map, yeah, UR would determine. but in the case where you struggle on a map even on just a jump or a stream that you started improperly it can take a 99% down really fast.

i mean

reallly fast

why do you think i have 97 acc
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