Hello guys. I recently stumbled upon a great quote and was curios to the truth of. The said quote is

" Don't be proud to call yourself a no-mod player. This just means that you failed to specialize in any mods "

My question is it wise to start training for a mod from early on or probably at a later time.

I wanted some opinion on this rather than an argument.

TY all.

Lapoozza wrote:

Is specializing on a mod important?

No it's not. Play your way, the way you like playing.

I can't play any mod properly yet even I'm on ideal rank to learn mod lol.

I started playing mods really early but you can start playing them whenever you feel comfortable with them.

I think you're better off playing HR and DT later on but you can start playing hidden.
I don't think playing DT or HR on maps below insane difficulty helps you as much as just playing nomod at your level.

" Don't be proud to call yourself a no-mod player. This just means that you failed to specialize in any mods "

Pure bullshit. Look at this magical guy: https://osu.ppy.sh/u/1895489 - he is an example of proud nomod player who outclass many others on his rank with amazing plays. If you ask me, whoever say to not be proud of being a high acc nomod player with good top ranks is a fuckin idiot.

In my opinion: up to you, if you feel like it, go for it, pick a mod what you like and play it. If you realy like nomod - stay nomod, you can always be like Xenbo, a damn good player who don't have problems with mods at all despite he plays mainly nomod only. Fanboi alert - Xenbo is <3

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Not really but you could have fun on multiplayer by using the mod you are specialized at for advantage.

Just like using EZ on TAG4 map head-to-head but still just play on what you are comfortable with.

Why not get gud at every mod

There's absolutely no need to play mods. Period. That quote is nonsense. People can specialize in mods if they want to, but nomod is the way osu was intended to be played. Mods exist for the challenge and score bonus.

IMO (and everybody will have different opinions on this), it's best to wait until about 3000+ pp to start learning mods, especially HR and DT. HD you can start whenever, since it doesn't affect AR or OD.

You can't achieve a high ranking without playing od9+ so inevitably you will have to learn hr and/or dt. However, this doesn't really matter until you can achieve 99% on od<9 on difficult maps. Until you are playing nomod above 6* with 99% accuracy you will be able to climb playing purely nomod. For 99.9% of players there are a slew of nomod maps that would give them a significant amount of effective pp.

Your rank and play count are both quite low. Don't worry over it for now, just get some plays down.

You can't achieve a high ranking without playing od9+ and putting shittons of effort and patient into nomod 6*+ so inevitably you will have to learn hr and/or dt.

FTFY

As i linked, you can be 3-digit easiely with nomod only, it just require way more patient and work than learning HR/DT and farming pp with that.

[Taiga] wrote:

You can't achieve a high ranking without playing od9+ and putting shittons of effort and patient into nomod 6*+ so inevitably you will have to learn hr and/or dt.

FTFY

As i linked, you can be 3-digit easiely with nomod only, it just require way more patient and work than learning HR/DT and farming pp with that.

There are like, less than 10 maps that even give over 500pp for any feasible score nomod. I stand by my statement.

[Taiga] wrote:

" Don't be proud to call yourself a no-mod player. This just means that you failed to specialize in any mods "

Pure bullshit. Look at this magical guy: https://osu.ppy.sh/u/1895489 - he is an example of proud nomod player who outclass many others on his rank with amazing plays. If you ask me, whoever say to not be proud of being a high acc nomod player with good top ranks is a fuckin idiot.

In my opinion: up to you, if you feel like it, go for it, pick a mod what you like and play it. If you realy like nomod - stay nomod, you can always be like Xenbo, a damn good player who don't have problems with mods at all despite he plays mainly nomod only. Fanboi alert - Xenbo is <3

i'm proud to be dt player, but you always talk shit about anybody that isn't a nomod player.

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Most mods are pretty lack luster on beginner maps, HR hardly increases the difficulty and HD will want to make you kill yourself due to the slow circles and the fact that easy difficulties are not mapped to every beat.

DT can be used on easier difficulties to "recycle" them, as in they'll play pretty similar to other harder maps.



All this in mind, HR does nearly nothing on easier maps, and HD is absolutely trash on easier maps due to the general slowness of them. Use DT to recycle easy maps to expand your map pool by having more variety of maps to play.

Don't start playing HR until you're confidently playing AR9, and I wouldn't recommend using HD until you're perfectly comfortable without it on. I also wouldn't recommend using HD until the maps you play are at the very least AR8, because then the speed is tolerable.

a loli wrote:

HD is absolutely trash on easier maps due to the general slowness of them.

No, the one absolutely trash at hidden is you.
If you can't read Hidden on AR6 and AR7 then you can't read Hidden at all.

AR7+HD is also a great strategy for rhythm-impaired aimplayers that always hit the notes early to get some more consistency and self-confidence in their rhythmic ability instead of just guessing when they have to hit the note based on when they see the circle.

a loli wrote:

i'm proud to be dt player, but you always talk shit about anybody that isn't a nomod player.

There's always going to be people who talk trash about people who use "no skill" methods to get ahead. It's stupid, but what can you do?

But to be fair, in this specific case, I don't think anything in what you quoted was supposed to be insulting to you.

-JaZe- wrote:

There's always going to be people who talk trash about people who use "no skill" methods to get ahead. It's stupid, but what can you do?

But to be fair, in this specific case, I don't think anything in what you quoted was supposed to be insulting to you.

that's because you haven't read the multiple posts this guy and his friend posts in threads that involves nomod/dt. Nearly every thread involving these subjects involve them arguing dt is pp farm and nomod is the only way to get valid pp

And well, yeah. There are always going to be people that have their head too far up their ass. And I'll admit, I love starting arguments with random people on the internet.


This is his next post in this thread, indirectly demeaning hr/dt scores

[Taiga] wrote:

As i linked, you can be 3-digit easiely with nomod only, it just require way more patient and work than learning HR/DT and farming pp with that.

By the way, I am a dt player with a similar rank to the person linked. Can he set the same scores as me? I sure as can set the same scores as him.

Endaris wrote:

No, the one absolutely trash at hidden is you.
If you can't read Hidden on AR6 and AR7 then you can't read Hidden at all.

First of all, I never called anybody trash at hidden, so I have no idea why you structure your sentence "No, the one xx at xx is you". I said hidden is trash to play at lower difficulties, I never insulted players that played it.
Second, I can read [hard] AR6/7 maps with hidden just fine and you aren't going to find any higher difficulties with those AR. Cute assumption though.

Endaris wrote:

AR7+HD is also a great strategy for rhythm-impaired aimplayers that always hit the notes early to get some more consistency and self-confidence in their rhythmic ability instead of just guessing when they have to hit the note based on when they see the circle.

that doesn't make playing hd on lower AR good, I'm sure many "rhythm-impaired aimplayers" didn't play low AR maps on HD to cure their shitty accuracy or consistency. Players get better accuracy and consistency by playing more of the game, not specific combinations of ebola and cancer

AR8 is the lowest AR (hell, nobody even makes AR8 insanes anymore and the existing ones are from many years ago) you're going to encounter once you reach 5 star maps.

Endaris wrote:

If you can't read Hidden on AR6 and AR7 then you can't read Hidden at all.

this really raises my blood pressure. This is almost as stupid as saying "WELL IF YOU CAN'T READ EZ YOU CAN'T READ LOW AR AT ALL"
Because learning to read AR6/7 is an unnecessary skill set, there are absolutely no high difficulty maps that require you to be able to read those AR, and afaik there are no maps ranked above 5* that are that AR as well.

DT and HR simply alter the diff stats. As soon as you get better you will be able to play them. You simply have to improve in a number of parameters to meet the conditions to be able to play with higher AR, OD, BPM, drain, CS.

HD, FL are a different story. While HD is a lot more natural to learn FL actually needs a lot of practice.

You might want to learn EZ mod. This is something players have to deliberately practice since it reduces parameters what increases the subjective difficulty for most players simply because object density and general readibility is on a completely different level. To many it is a different game.

Lapoozza wrote:

" Don't be proud to call yourself a no-mod player. This just means that you failed to specialize in any mods "

That is not true. An AR9.6 OD9.6 210bpm map is exactly the same as AR8 OD8 140bpm +DT map. Meaning that if a no-mod player can pass that 210bpm no-mod map then he should also be able to pass 140bpm +DT map (same as 210bpm map). These players are all the same and argue for no reason. Playing the game this way only need reaction, accuracy, aim and reading.

There are only 2 specialised mod and that is HD and FL which also require specialised reading/memorisation skill/talent. EZ might also be included here but only if its on high bpm/extreme density map.

I also get called "dirty DT farmer" every now and then but it's fine I know I'm bad.

ehhhh

I really don't like to say that mod specialization is necessarily a GOOD thing. I think it's a great thing to have once you've entered the >10k range of rank (provided that you at least don't avoid getting pp). Though to be honest, transitions to DT and HR are far smoother once you have a good base skill around things (good in my terms meaning that you can consistently make plays at the 200+ pp level whether you submit or not).

PLAYING the game makes you better, and its important in every step you go. MODS serve as MODIFICATIONS (that is, they are not the "whole thing") and they reward you for being able to play well under their harder conditions. Mods... promote different skillsets.

The reason why nomod is SO IMPORTANT is because it provides the most important foundation skills.
HD is musical reading. (and slightly faster effective AR)
HR demands overall better map performance (HP, OD), as well as precision (CS), and reading on speed (AR10).
FL is FL lets not talk about that

I think DT stands as the more debatable mod as it's the only one that actually touches some of the base foundation skill requirements in a map. There's a little discussion in another chat about how DT has things like increased OD or simpler reading complexity etc.

Cherish the fact that you're a nomod player. It means you don't rely on silly 6% score buttons to make your skills worth it.
Cherish the fact that you're a [X] mod player. It means you're able to play and compete with a decent skillset tailored to the difficulty of mods.

Try out a lot of things! It's valuable to get some advice or do some research before settling on any practice commitments though.

I replaced all of my mod icons with DT symbol so that I know where I came from.

But in all honesty,
Just play what you want to play, like to me I feel way more confident/comfortable playing with DT/HD than I am playing with no mod, HR or whatever.
There are songs that I can't pass with no mod, but I can pass with DT.

Just play what you wanna play and ignore the circlejerk.

Instead of blaming mods we should blame the lack of an accurate difficulty calculator.

Hey!

"Cherish the fact that you're a nomod player. It means you don't rely on silly 6% score buttons to make your skills worth it.
Cherish the fact that you're a [X] mod player. It means you're able to play and compete with a decent skillset tailored to the difficulty of mods.

Try out a lot of things! It's valuable to get some advice or do some research before settling on any practice commitments though."

He absolutely nailed it.

I'd say don't worry about specializing in a mod right now, in my opinion you'll get more out of reading new maps nomod than trying to go back and work on old maps using DT/HR. That being said, I think we're all guilty at some point of going back and being like "I wonder if I can get rank top 50 on that easy song from that anime I really like", but that's different from playing mods all the time. Do what fits your play style the best -- but from what I've seen in the forums (and asked myself/done) it's better to not worry about mods until later. But it works for some people earlier. Do what works for YOU. And have fun!

As to the specializing in one mod, it seems like a lot of people start out doing DT, then move on to HR, then somewhere in there HD gets thrown in. Hope this helps!

ITT: People who think that DT = EZ PP

There are nomod pp farm maps too y'no.

Endaris wrote:

If you can't read Hidden on AR6 and AR7 then you can't read Hidden at all.

I can't tell if this is a really bad joke or you've never actually tried hidden on AR6 or AR7 before, please enlighten me

That's not a bad joke and I play Hidden with AR6 and 7.
Not that often cause as mentioned by a loli it's a skill that is not very applicable on maps of higher difficulty but I do.
The time difference between appearance of the circle and perfect time for the click is just way too low on AR9 and above to claim that you "can play Hidden". Maybe you scratched the very surface of it and can even use it for pp combined with HR due to the notedensity shrinking so much that Hidden isn't that big of a challenge anymore(readingwise). But it doesn't suffice to say that you can properly play HD.

@OP

That quote isn't relevant to you right now. (I really hope that doesn't make me sound like a patronizing dick, sorry if it does)

Until you get to a certain point, neither HR nor DT require specialization. Playing Easies, Normals, or Hards on HR/DT won't make you better at HR/DT simply because the values changed aren't significant enough to actually represent the difficulties with HR/DT.

I wouldn't worry about it for the time being.

Later on, for sure specializing in a mod is a good idea. I'm pretty sure the highest ranked mainly nomod player is like ~500. You're going to start having to play mods at some point, but I'd advise focusing on developing solid fundamentals first, since that's a long way off.

Endaris wrote:

That's not a bad joke and I play Hidden with AR6 and 7.
Not that often cause as mentioned by a loli it's a skill that is not very applicable on maps of higher difficulty but I do.
The time difference between appearance of the circle and perfect time for the click is just way too low on AR9 and above to claim that you "can play Hidden". Maybe you scratched the very surface of it and can even use it for pp combined with HR due to the notedensity shrinking so much that Hidden isn't that big of a challenge anymore(readingwise). But it doesn't suffice to say that you can properly play HD.

A lot of people can play the hidden on the appropriate AR of that map, claiming a person can't read HD because they play it on a higher AR is just silly.

Like I said before,

a loli wrote:

Endaris wrote:

If you can't read Hidden on AR6 and AR7 then you can't read Hidden at all.

this really raises my blood pressure. This is almost as stupid as saying "WELL IF YOU CAN'T READ EZ YOU CAN'T READ LOW AR AT ALL"
Because learning to read AR6/7 is an unnecessary skill set, there are absolutely no high difficulty maps that require you to be able to read those AR, and afaik there are no maps ranked above 5* that are that AR as well.

Not being able to play low AR HD doesn't mean you can't play HD. It just means you can't play HD at that AR.

It's also going to depend on what map you're playing HD on. The only hard maps that are below AR8 are the ones you'll have to play on EZ mod or you'll need to edit it in editor, and then after that what categorises as the standard "IF YOU HD THIS U CAN READ HD" map? I'm 100% sure you'll shit yourself on big black AR 6 HD, does that mean you can't play HD?

Being a no-mod player, though probably the hardest for pp farming. Still, with effort you can be a 3-digit player without playing any mods. It's easier now than ever since we have so many high difficulty maps being ranked.

For most people though, the progression goes AR9->AR8+DT->HR->AR9+DT

I've seen a lot of people try take shortcuts to climb ranks faster, like playing HR before they can even read AR9 properly, and it always seems to just set them back.

a loli wrote:

I'm 100% sure you'll shit yourself on big black AR 6 HD, does that mean you can't play HD?

SHHH they can't handle the truth.

a loli wrote:

that's because you haven't read the multiple posts this guy and his friend posts in threads that involves nomod/dt. Nearly every thread involving these subjects involve them arguing dt is pp farm and nomod is the only way to get valid pp

Oh, I know about him. Isn't he the guy who ragequit the "why do people hate on dt" thread because people (read: you) dared to express opinions contrary to his? I was amused that you quoted him on one of the rare posts where he's not being a moronic hater.

You should specialize in enjoying game.

chainpullz wrote:

a loli wrote:

I'm 100% sure you'll shit yourself on big black AR 6 HD, does that mean you can't play HD?

SHHH they can't handle the truth.

That's more because I can't handle Big Black over AR6+HD though xd
On 4 star maps I think I'd be able to pull a decent job.

Not being able to play low AR HD doesn't mean you can't play HD. It just means you can't play HD at that AR.

Reversed argument.
Being able to play high AR with HD doesn't mean you can play HD. It just means you can play HD at that AR.
As I already stated, the higher the AR the easier it is to read with HD and the easier it is to get good accuracy.
Plus I never said that you have to play AR7 HD all the time to prove that you're good at it, I mean that you should be capable of doing it and that the skill to play AR7+HD assures that you will also do decently on AR9+HD(provided the map is in your skillrange) while the opposite is very questionable.

I also want to apologize for being sort of a dick by turning this quote into something too personal.

a loli wrote:

HD is absolutely trash on easier maps due to the general slowness of them.

I still think that playing HD on these maps is a fun challenge

because people (read: you) dared to express opinions contrary to his?

Reason was completly diffrent. I respect his opinion like i respect everyone else opinion, i don't respect his agressive toxic speach and forcebly searching things to just went full retard mode against me. Just saying.

You should specialize in enjoying game.

MVP on this topic.

"Please enjoy game" and play whatever gives you fun.

I wonder why do people take seriously and debate on a game about clicking circles.