Why does everything have to be so big?
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What is your opinion on the new forum design?
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what is that aberration masquerading as the american flag?piruchan wrote:
Overall I think there are too many wasted space.
I agree with everyone who thinks posts are too narrow. White space on the right side of each post needs to be trimmed off a bit.
A separation between the avatar area and post area would be nice. Right now everything is on a white background and it feels like they're just thrown there creating a mess. Something along the line of the current forums with different background colors would be nice.
I personally dislike the avatar box thing. The contrast with the background is way too high and it looks bulky. I suggest removing it entirely. With that box away there are more space for longer usernames and larger display space for avatars. Seriously though, why the smaller avatars?
My only complain about the profile page is how the profile details are displayed. Does everything really need to be represented as characters? I think the current design with images and tooltips are a lot better and faster to read.
Another thing, something should be done to the username on top right of the page tomake it look more important because I like feeling importantget user attention. Right now it feels like it's just a bunch of characters thrown randomly and it doesn't feel much different than being a guest. I think making it bold like on the current design would work just fine.
Kudos for the new editor at the bottom of the page, I really like it.
Edit: ctrl + enter still works
White stings my eyes a lot less nowpeppy wrote:
Have you checked today? There have been some changes to contrast levels.
Another thing I noticed:
It looks a bit weird how pippi's sleeve laps out of the heading-box on the right but her hairs don't. Nonsensical 3d if you ask me
- it uses up too much space. Instead of "simple and modern", it just looks bulky to me. (look at Gumpyyy's picture). This is the only real complaint I have, actually. Next one is minor.
- Using different colors for different sections in the index makes things more confusing instead of being a step towards simplicity and user-friendliness. Unity is an important factor concerning that, and this includes the color scheme. (very minor)
- I'm not a fan of infinite scrolling, but as opposed to the other points I brought up, this might just be because I'm not used to it yet. We are creatures of habit after all, and it's easy for us to blindly oppose new things for the sake of maintaining the status quo. I think in terms of practicability, infinite scrolling might even outperform the current system with pages, so I am open for change in this area (even though I don't like it as of yet).
- Using different colors for different sections in the index makes things more confusing instead of being a step towards simplicity and user-friendliness. Unity is an important factor concerning that, and this includes the color scheme. (very minor)
- I'm not a fan of infinite scrolling, but as opposed to the other points I brought up, this might just be because I'm not used to it yet. We are creatures of habit after all, and it's easy for us to blindly oppose new things for the sake of maintaining the status quo. I think in terms of practicability, infinite scrolling might even outperform the current system with pages, so I am open for change in this area (even though I don't like it as of yet).
Gumpyyy wrote:
Why does everything have to be so big?
Simplicity i guess
Personally, I like the clean look
having that big achieves nothing besides making it more clunky.erikG wrote:
Simplicity i guess
Personally, I like the clean look
It's alright but, imo I am actually a fan of the old form design.
It's simple and easy to look at.
It's simple and easy to look at.
Honestly, I'm in love with it. I always had a sweet spot in my heart for very modern looking pages. Playing osu!, the site actually seem like they can go hand in hand now. The previous site, though entirely functional -- felt like the stale, made in 2005 by someone with poor CSS skills type o' look.
I get that some have problems with how difficult navigation is, which is understandable. But please do understand, most things are a bit rough when they're still in the progress of being worked out. This version isn't mandatory yet, implying that peppy realises their are problems, and will certainly sand them away before the site becomes compulsory.
So, in the end, it only comes down to opinion -- and in mine. I really, really like it.
I get that some have problems with how difficult navigation is, which is understandable. But please do understand, most things are a bit rough when they're still in the progress of being worked out. This version isn't mandatory yet, implying that peppy realises their are problems, and will certainly sand them away before the site becomes compulsory.
So, in the end, it only comes down to opinion -- and in mine. I really, really like it.
I miss spoilers 
Endaris wrote:
[spoiler]I miss spoilers
Spoilers? As in the boxes you can expand? Or spoiling someone about something?
personally, I am not satisfied by the look of the new website, at least yet. the only thing I really liked is the achievement % :\
Concerning the missing features, it's not done, they just give the players the possibility to take a look at their work before it's done.
For the word "Jizz" in the address (Dudes, when I type it in google, the first link is a p**n website -_-), they're not giving an example of maturity...
Oh, and I think they shouldn't have removed this
Concerning the missing features, it's not done, they just give the players the possibility to take a look at their work before it's done.
For the word "Jizz" in the address (Dudes, when I type it in google, the first link is a p**n website -_-), they're not giving an example of maturity...
Oh, and I think they shouldn't have removed this
This exact box you can't see and that doesn't get converted in the new forum.H3X0RZ wrote:
Spoilers? As in the boxes you can expand? Or spoiling someone about something?Endaris wrote:
I miss spoilers
peppy wrote:
Pagination as you know it is gone forever. It makes no sense.
Tell that to a person looking for specific information/a particular post in a massive thread that just so happens to be directly in the center of the thread. With someone who has tens of thousands of forum posts, I find it hard to believe you've never appreciated the concept of going back in chunks rather than having to load everything irrelevant in between.
But... whatever. It is your design and you can do with it what you choose. I very highly doubt that I am alone, in any case.
EDIT: and if you're very deliberately ignoring corner-cases in your development, that's hardly a good precedent.
I tend to focus more on text. A design that can handle large blocks of text and would not have its designs distract me while I read them would be appreciated. The designs look cool and very !next, but the devs might consider giving an option to make things more compact?
The following comparison is not made against the old forum.
Pro:
+ design style
+ design style
+ design style
+ design style
Con:
- pagination (this is a religion)
- width (as other people have pointed out)
- permanent link to each thread (we don't have that right now)
- one-line-per-thread list of each topic (like an abstract in an article, scan tens of posts at a glance)
- option: fixed-width font when editing post (I'm a programmer)
Now, I'm patiently waiting for new functionality to come in.
The following comparison is not made against the old forum.
Pro:
+ design style
+ design style
+ design style
+ design style
Con:
- pagination (this is a religion)
- width (as other people have pointed out)
- permanent link to each thread (we don't have that right now)
- one-line-per-thread list of each topic (like an abstract in an article, scan tens of posts at a glance)
- option: fixed-width font when editing post (I'm a programmer)
Now, I'm patiently waiting for new functionality to come in.
Hmmm...one thing I noticed is that the new one failed to show the < and > character in the profile page.
Taking about the forum design I guess everything takes time to get used with, but the fonts could be smaller like the old one imo
Taking about the forum design I guess everything takes time to get used with, but the fonts could be smaller like the old one imo
Halogen- wrote:
peppy wrote:
Pagination as you know it is gone forever. It makes no sense.
Tell that to a person looking for specific information/a particular post in a massive thread that just so happens to be directly in the center of the thread.
EDIT: and if you're very deliberately ignoring corner-cases in your development, that's hardly a good precedent.
how is remembering a page number different from remembering a post number? you can already jump to a specific post.
Probably he means jumping to a specific page from herepeppy wrote:
how is remembering a page number different from remembering a post number? you can already jump to a specific post.
I also use this feature often and it's pretty convinient
fewer digits with page numberspeppy wrote:
how is remembering a page number different from remembering a post number?
i like forum
It's okay but I favour the current looks, as they are cleaner and better structured (for now). The design itself is not my preference.
Another thing that I've recently notice is that sometimes it will double post by itself.
It's been happening to me quite a bit this morning.
It's been happening to me quite a bit this morning.
I think we need a small tutorial on how to use the new forum.
Infinite scrolling seems to be an unknown/unintuitive concept for most people. Can't say that I would miss pages that much either though @Halogen and I've spent a big amount of my time online in forums for the past years. I think it works just as well and it doesn't even compare to shittyness of redditstyle they used for the LoL-forums
As for the small arrows on the post number it would probably be the easiest if you removed the one pointing to the threadstart and make the one pointing to the end bigger. No clue how you can make this goodlooking while keeping the circle-shape but for usability this would be very good I think.
As for the top-bar, I think it would be best if it grew larger on hovering over it so you have an easier time clicking on the navigation links.
And smileys seem to be a bit too small/misplaced compared to the text as their lower edge is way below the baseline of text but don't get to the topline of it either.
Infinite scrolling seems to be an unknown/unintuitive concept for most people. Can't say that I would miss pages that much either though @Halogen and I've spent a big amount of my time online in forums for the past years. I think it works just as well and it doesn't even compare to shittyness of redditstyle they used for the LoL-forums
As for the small arrows on the post number it would probably be the easiest if you removed the one pointing to the threadstart and make the one pointing to the end bigger. No clue how you can make this goodlooking while keeping the circle-shape but for usability this would be very good I think.
As for the top-bar, I think it would be best if it grew larger on hovering over it so you have an easier time clicking on the navigation links.
And smileys seem to be a bit too small/misplaced compared to the text as their lower edge is way below the baseline of text but don't get to the topline of it either.
The design is great but it'd be better if it was scaled to the size of the browser window
I feel like half the people here are only complaining just to complain. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the design, imo. The only valid issues I've seen so far is with the large amount of white space and how narrow the forums are.
With the former, white space is just plain ugly and that can unanimously be agreed upon. However, proper spacing is still important (which the old design lacks and causes everything to be too bunched up).
With the latter, that's mostly just a matter of opinion. There's nothing wrong with a narrow design in principle, but the thing that bothers me most with it is when posts in a thread get even more narrow after the OP. That doesn't really make much of any sense to me as a design aspect, as there are much better ways of distinguishing an OP.
As far as pagination goes, there's nothing wrong with it. If people know what page to look for, then they should also know the approximate post number to look for. Post # = Page # x Posts-per-Page.
However, I will say that having the current post number be clickable doesn't make much sense. In fact, it might be better to make it so you can use that "current post" number space to type in the number for the search, instead of having to click the search icon to type it in. One less icon to worry about then, and better convenience.
Aside from those things, I find the design itself to be beautiful overall, and I'm sure it will only continue to improve. Functionality will be added later and it's not even worth commenting on yet until it's actually implemented.
And I still don't get why people are complaining over the test domain name. Who even gives a jizz about a temporary name.
With the former, white space is just plain ugly and that can unanimously be agreed upon. However, proper spacing is still important (which the old design lacks and causes everything to be too bunched up).
With the latter, that's mostly just a matter of opinion. There's nothing wrong with a narrow design in principle, but the thing that bothers me most with it is when posts in a thread get even more narrow after the OP. That doesn't really make much of any sense to me as a design aspect, as there are much better ways of distinguishing an OP.
As far as pagination goes, there's nothing wrong with it. If people know what page to look for, then they should also know the approximate post number to look for. Post # = Page # x Posts-per-Page.
However, I will say that having the current post number be clickable doesn't make much sense. In fact, it might be better to make it so you can use that "current post" number space to type in the number for the search, instead of having to click the search icon to type it in. One less icon to worry about then, and better convenience.
Aside from those things, I find the design itself to be beautiful overall, and I'm sure it will only continue to improve. Functionality will be added later and it's not even worth commenting on yet until it's actually implemented.
And I still don't get why people are complaining over the test domain name. Who even gives a jizz about a temporary name.
You kind of have a problem if you think you need a tutorial though. The design should be as intuitive as possible, meaning anyone should be able to figure it out.Endaris wrote:
I think we need a small tutorial on how to use the new forum.
Infinite scrolling seems to be an unknown/unintuitive concept for most people. Can't say that I would miss pages that much either though @Halogen and I've spent a big amount of my time online in forums for the past years. I think it works just as well and it doesn't even compare to shittyness of redditstyle they used for the LoL-forums
As for the small arrows on the post number it would probably be the easiest if you removed the one pointing to the threadstart and make the one pointing to the end bigger. No clue how you can make this goodlooking while keeping the circle-shape but for usability this would be very good I think.
As for the top-bar, I think it would be best if it grew larger on hovering over it so you have an easier time clicking on the navigation links.
And smileys seem to be a bit too small/misplaced compared to the text as their lower edge is way below the baseline of text but don't get to the topline of it either.
It's not so much that autoscrolling is a foreign concept moreso than it just being something I don't enjoy using all the time. In some cases, I find it useful, while in other cases it's just really annoying to not have pages. Autoscrolling has been around for a while now on the internet, so I'm sure most people that don't like it have had enough time to "get used to it", and still don't enjoy using it.
@Top Bunk: Most people will "complain" or give critisism, since that's what's generally helpful and a reason to post in the first place. Saying "Omg this looks great!!!" doesn't really help getting things better. In general, if people don't mention something, you can assume they thought that was fine, and works well as it is.
Actually I never encountered infinitescrolling on a site I'm actually using before so I'm not used to it and since I consider myself to be an experienced internet user I just assumed that a lot of people would feel the same.
The first time I tried to get out of a long thread I scrolled to the top and tried to be faster in clicking the header than the page would load the next posts I scrolled to so you can see where I am coming from.
It took me 2min to figure everything out so you may or may not say that it is intuitive but the stuff I pointed out certainly hinders intuitive use.
Pages are more intuitive in the way that everyone knows how to read a book and has an immediate guess when being in a thread for the first time and seeing pages. Infinite scrolling isn't a thing you know from RL though, mainly from smartphones(and im not a smartphone user) so it is naturally harder to operate when encountering it for the first time - which is why a tutorial might not be a bad thing.
Once you got it, it is very intuitive as everything makes sense in itself but you will inevitably get undesired results if you try to use it like a conventional forum.
Why is pewdiepie not on jizz?
The first time I tried to get out of a long thread I scrolled to the top and tried to be faster in clicking the header than the page would load the next posts I scrolled to so you can see where I am coming from.
It took me 2min to figure everything out so you may or may not say that it is intuitive but the stuff I pointed out certainly hinders intuitive use.
Pages are more intuitive in the way that everyone knows how to read a book and has an immediate guess when being in a thread for the first time and seeing pages. Infinite scrolling isn't a thing you know from RL though, mainly from smartphones(and im not a smartphone user) so it is naturally harder to operate when encountering it for the first time - which is why a tutorial might not be a bad thing.
Once you got it, it is very intuitive as everything makes sense in itself but you will inevitably get undesired results if you try to use it like a conventional forum.
Why is pewdiepie not on jizz?
The problem here is that it's mostly complaining with lack of proper constructive criticism. I'm not saying all the posts are like that, but a majority of them are (even the longer posts which pretend like they go into detail when it's really just pointing more directly at what they're complaining about). At the very least people should say why they dislike something and what can be done to further fix/improve it. Especially considering the new site design will be implemented regardless of the people who dislike it. So instead of those complaining without a basis, they should at least attempt to make reasonable suggestions.CXu wrote:
@Top Bunk: Most people will "complain" or give critisism, since that's what's generally helpful and a reason to post in the first place. Saying "Omg this looks great!!!" doesn't really help getting things better. In general, if people don't mention something, you can assume they thought that was fine, and works well as it is.
Also, let's not forget important things here. 1) Peppy gets the final say in the direction everything goes in. 2) You can't please everybody, so people will be forced to settle on compromises and deal with things they're not satisfied with either way.
The design and layout looks nice but the "Scroll up for the previous 10 posts" thing is just weird and annoying tbh.
Actually we know full well that this thread is a farce that doesn't matter because Peppy will do what he wants to regardless of what anyone and everyone thinks because fuck you that's why.Top Bunk wrote:
The problem here is that it's mostly complaining with lack of proper constructive criticism. I'm not saying all the posts are like that, but a majority of them are (even the longer posts which pretend like they go into detail when it's really just pointing more directly at what they're complaining about). At the very least people should say why they dislike something and what can be done to further fix/improve it. Especially considering the new site design will be implemented regardless of the people who dislike it. So instead of those complaining without a basis, they should at least attempt to make reasonable suggestions.CXu wrote:
@Top Bunk: Most people will "complain" or give critisism, since that's what's generally helpful and a reason to post in the first place. Saying "Omg this looks great!!!" doesn't really help getting things better. In general, if people don't mention something, you can assume they thought that was fine, and works well as it is.
Also, let's not forget important things here. 1) Peppy gets the final say in the direction everything goes in. 2) You can't please everybody, so people will be forced to settle on compromises and deal with things they're not satisfied with either way.
Yeah, pages works way better. Also, where's "View your posts"? :cRaiken- wrote:
The design and layout looks nice but the "Scroll up for the previous 10 posts" thing is just weird and annoying tbh.
Good point :vKhelly wrote:
Actually we know full well that this thread is a farce that doesn't matter because Peppy will do what he wants to regardless of what anyone and everyone thinks because fuck you that's why.
imo the design is beautiful but just need needs more work on the feature
anyway is the forum will be called jizz forever?
anyway is the forum will be called jizz forever?
↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓Jieshengwoo wrote:
imo the design is beautiful but just need needs more work on the feature
anyway is the forum will be called jizz forever?
read previous postpeppy wrote:
It's called jizz because I chose that for the testing subdomain. It's a WIP and will eventually replace the original site (and no longer be fjizz?).
JMC wrote:
Jieshengwoo wrote:
imo the design is beautiful but just need needs more work on the feature
anyway is the forum will be called jizz forever?
↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓peppy wrote:
It's called jizz because I chose that for the testing subdomain. It's a WIP and will eventually replace the original site (and no longer be fjizz?).
read previous post
oops sorry!! my wrong, really sorry o(╥﹏╥)o
It looks pretty nice. I can't exactly put it up for comparison right now (502 MB RAM on a school PC, wha), but whoever did the design has done a great job.