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[Archived] Wacom Intuos Draw (CTL-490) Input lag

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Muzyy

oamaok wrote:

Just received this one yesterday, there's definitely still some input lag. However, most of it seems to disappear while draggin instead of hovering the pen. This confirms it's a driver issue, not a hardware one.
yea the problem is the driver , but how much time we need to wait for repair the problem
oam
I'm currently working on an open source driver, I've already reversed the USB packets. Let's hope I can get it working.
PamlaNL
oam
That only disables some Window's services, the issue is within the wacom driver.
Muzyy

PamlaNL wrote:

Try Download this and install this:
https://github.com/saveenr/Fix_My_Pen/releases/download/v1/ViziblrFixMyPen-.2011.08.15.zip
I tried before and nothing. :(
PamlaNL
Drivers for current Intuos
Compatible products:
Intuos Art Black Medium
Intuos Comic
Intuos Draw
Intuos Photo

Windows Windows - Driver 6.3.14-1 (XP, Vista, Win 7, 8 and 10) 08/28/2015 78.2 MB
http://cdn.wacom.com/u/productsupport/drivers/win/professional/WacomTablet_6.3.14-1.exe

Windows Windows - Driver 6.3.15-1 (XP, Vista, Win 7, 8 and 10) 10/08/2015 78.3 MB DOWNLOAD
http://cdn.wacom.com/u/productsupport/drivers/win/professional/WacomTablet_6.3.15-1.exe
PamlaNL
Drivers for Intuos
Compatible products:
Intuos Manga
Intuos Pen & Touch medium
Intuos Pen & Touch small
Intuos Pen small

Windows Windows - Driver 6.3.15-1 (XP, Vista, Win 7, 8 and 10) 10/08/2015 78.3 MB
http://cdn.wacom.com/u/productsupport/drivers/win/professional/WacomTablet_6.3.15-1.exe

Windows Driver 6.3.11-4a (XP, Vista, Win 7 and Win 8) 03/02/2015 143 MB
http://cdn.wacom.com/u/productsupport/drivers/win/professional/WacomTablet_6.3.11-4a.exe

Windows Driver 6.3.6-3 Windows 8, Windows 7 or Vista 09/03/2013 Sorry for no Space
http://cdn.wacom.com/U/drivers/IBMPC/pro/WacomTablet_636-3.exe

Windows Wacom Brushes ver 1.0 - PC 10/22/2003 I dont know what this is but i find this xD
http://cdn.wacom.com/U/drivers/Brushes/PCWacomBrushes.zip
PamlaNL
I hope that this works! this all the driver that i found for Intuos Tablet :)
oam
The only drivers that the Intuos Draw works with are 6.3.14-1 and 6.3.15-1. Both have the latency issue.
Quanteck
oamaok do you think that with those open source drivers it would be possible to overclock the report rate of other tablets like the cth-470?
Muzyy
I have report the problem at wacom's support . They asking me to tell the version or drivers and the tablet . i wait the reply.

I informed you yours :D
yreV
Same here with CTH 490, dragging feels ok, when i hover it feels like im playing with a drunk cursor.
VoltedZ
I've got that tablet yesterday. Switched from mouse at rank 61k ;p I've got some practice to do. At first i did not know if that's how a tablet works, it felt slightly off, now I know it. I'm waiting for some info on that, hope they fix that soon :/
Excuse
Well, have you tried rebooting it? XD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSgejNKvJ-U
My tablet used to lag like a bitch and this fixed it.
VoltedZ

Rawrgasm wrote:

Well, have you tried rebooting it? XD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSgejNKvJ-U
My tablet used to lag like a bitch and this fixed it.
That basically destroys your drivers, you cannot change any settings whatsoever, your pen does not recognize clicking properly etc.

//edit: They do not lag, just the way the cursor behaves when hovering does not feel right, it's slower than when you drag the pen, like it's on ice. - Do you use a 490 as well?
samotoda
Well i'm a dragger and im debating whether to get the 480 or the 490. Is the lag noticeable while dragging on the 490? I don't want to buy the 480 to drag because I heard it will tear through your nibs. Please someone help me (Me big noob #OnlyCanStreamWithAMouse
yreV
You won't have any problems dragging, installed the new drivers today and it seems it did solve the lag i was having when i was hovering for me.
Scottish Goose

yreV wrote:

You won't have any problems dragging, installed the new drivers today and it seems it did solve the lag i was having when i was hovering for me.
The new drivers is 6.3.15-2 right?
NOOBTRON1337

Soap755 wrote:

yreV wrote:

You won't have any problems dragging, installed the new drivers today and it seems it did solve the lag i was having when i was hovering for me.
The new drivers is 6.3.15-2 right?
I still have input lag while hovering with those though. Either that or I got so used to dragging that hovering feels naturally drunk to me at this point :P
Tbh
I've had this tablet for about a month and I haven't seen any input lag whatsoever. I use the latest drivers for the pen tablet and I'm on windows 10. I prefer to hover, but even if I drag there is still no lag :/ Is it only in osu that you get said "lag" or just in general?
Minami Hasaki
I think this issue applies to Windows 8.1 users that hover. (Me) I have a friend with a Mac that says his is just fine. Stating environments and conditions with problems like this help keeps things organized and creates faster solutions.
yreV

Soap755 wrote:

yreV wrote:

You won't have any problems dragging, installed the new drivers today and it seems it did solve the lag i was having when i was hovering for me.
The new drivers is 6.3.15-2 right?
Yes the 6.3.15-2 fixed the problem.

jub wrote:

I still have input lag while hovering with those though. Either that or I got so used to dragging that hovering feels naturally drunk to me at this point :P
I was dragging too before the new drivers, now i hover and not noticing the lag at all, other peoples confirmed the new drivers worked, maybe in your case the problem is something else.
NOOBTRON1337

yreV wrote:

I was dragging too before the new drivers, now i hover and not noticing the lag at all, other peoples confirmed the new drivers worked, maybe in your case the problem is something else.
I'm not sure what causes the input lag if the latest drivers work for others, but not for me. I might try reinstalling them and see if everything will be fine this time.
Scottish Goose

Minami Hasaki wrote:

I think this issue applies to Windows 8.1 users that hover. (Me) I have a friend with a Mac that says his is just fine. Stating environments and conditions with problems like this help keeps things organized and creates faster solutions.
I changed to windows 10 today and there is still hover lag. So I don't think it is anything to do with the OS.

EDIT: So I have some how reduced the input lag, I am not sure how I did it. All I remember is deleting the drivers completely and then installing a backdated one and updating through the Wacom Desktop Center on the Updates tab. I don't know if this will help at all but I hope it does.
Benpoi
I recently changed to one of these from a CTL-480 and the increase in input lag is noticeable, even with the new drivers. This is because the tablet is designed for graphics design and drawing, so Wacom added a feature called "cursor smoothing" which reduces the 'snappiness' of the cursor and allows it to drift better (this is ideal for drawing and such, but not so much for Osu!), which is what we feel as the input lag. The newest drivers haven't changed this feature so the input lag will still be there, and hopefully Wacom will add a toggle to said feature if Osu! ever becomes more popular. I can post a comparison between the 2 tablets if anyone is interested.
MintyYumi

Benpoi wrote:

I recently changed to one of these from a CTL-480 and the increase in input lag is noticeable, even with the new drivers. This is because the tablet is designed for graphics design and drawing, so Wacom added a feature called "cursor smoothing" which reduces the 'snappiness' of the cursor and allows it to drift better (this is ideal for drawing and such, but not so much for Osu!), which is what we feel as the input lag. The newest drivers haven't changed this feature so the input lag will still be there, and hopefully Wacom will add a toggle to said feature if Osu! ever becomes more popular. I can post a comparison between the 2 tablets if anyone is interested.
I've noticed that input lag only occurs in certain patterns (particularly when the position change is at a sharp angle. Hopefully Wacom will fix this?
Benpoi

MintyYumi wrote:

Benpoi wrote:

I recently changed to one of these from a CTL-480 and the increase in input lag is noticeable, even with the new drivers. This is because the tablet is designed for graphics design and drawing, so Wacom added a feature called "cursor smoothing" which reduces the 'snappiness' of the cursor and allows it to drift better (this is ideal for drawing and such, but not so much for Osu!), which is what we feel as the input lag. The newest drivers haven't changed this feature so the input lag will still be there, and hopefully Wacom will add a toggle to said feature if Osu! ever becomes more popular. I can post a comparison between the 2 tablets if anyone is interested.
I've noticed that input lag only occurs in certain patterns (particularly when the position change is at a sharp angle. Hopefully Wacom will fix this?
There isn't anything to 'fix' per say, however an option to enable/disable cursor smoothing would be nice
yreV
New drivers 15-3 have been released today, try it out and see if it solve the problems, i will play for a while and see if i notice any difference.
AdamJames
Could someone please confirm it no longer has delay issues? Specially, @yreV
yreV

AdamJames wrote:

Could someone please confirm it no longer has delay issues? Specially, @yreV
I just can't notice any lag, it is the same like before for me, maybe experienced players can tell better if there is still lag or not.
shiyuri
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yreV
You have delay in both dragging and hovering and your tablet stops working, mine while dragging is smooth like the mouse even with the 15-1 drivers was like that and never stopped working, so in dragging there was no problems before or now, if you have delay while dragging then your problem must be something else, the real problem was only when hovering, you could notice the delay with the driver 15-1 by a lot, with the 15-2 the delay for me was gone and 15-3 didn't notice anything same like the 15-2, with the hover distance i never had a problem, but i have seen people complain about this, it must be because they were used to the 480, unless someone can prove the delay in a decent way i don't think there is a real answer.
Mak0s_
E: I had a problem with it that when I went to OSU! so the cursor jumping around the edges and liable to click, but when I put the raw imput on so it ended but I was not pleased so I continued playing with the setting and I noticed that when you take out of the ingame sensivity (between 0.4 or 1.6) so it works without the raw imput, i have it like 4,5 so it's just flip out. (the first tablet so I do not know much about these, I hope this had any help :roll: )
khanjui

Mak0s_ wrote:

E: I had a problem with it that when I went to OSU! so the cursor jumping around the edges and liable to click, but when I put the raw imput on so it ended but I was not pleased so I continued playing with the setting and I noticed that when you take out of the ingame sensivity (between 0.4 or 1.6) so it works without the raw imput, i have it like 4,5 so it's just flip out. (the first tablet so I do not know much about these, I hope this had any help :roll: )
First, its "input". Second, when you play with sensitivity raw input turns on by itself. (If you are Windows 8 or above). And there is no point with changing sensitivity. Keep raw input on @1.0x, set frame limiter to unlimited, turn off compability mode - reduce dropped frames - detect performance issues. Tick fullscreen. Turn off OS TabletPC support, Joystick support and Wiimote/TaTaCon Drum support under OTHER settings.

I'm searching on the web about this tablet since 2 month. Many people complainant about input lag, but somebody not. If there is a future named "cursor smoothing" as @Benpoi mentioned, i hope Wacom will make drivers which can able to close it. If it's another issue, i think it can be fixed. I can wait for that. I will buy my CTL 490 Draw in 3 days.

Also

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/YewJoeChai
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8mmSmRAgwZOAz9cuIoyibw

Look at this guy, he is playing well enough with it.
DykkyLieS
This is actually a driver issue because dragging would not introduce any lags, and there's a temporary fix til the next driver comes out: LINK
It worked for me so... hope it'll help. :)
lol
anyone know a rough estimate for new drivers?
Dinostache
I hope this can help you :)
-------- Things that can cause you input lags --------
1- Wrong version of your drivers
2- Windows Aero
-------------------------------------------------------------

Wacom drivers with no input lag http://www.mediafire.com/download/s5o6b ... .3.9w5.exe

If none of that work use this tool
FixMyPen: https://github.com/saveenr/Fix_My_Pen/releases/download/v1/ViziblrFixMyPen-.2011.08.15.zip
Be sure to run this as admin
-------- Sources --------
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWFIbap_h4s
Have a nice day :P
Reolution
the 6.3.9w5 driver doesn't work for wacom ctl490
Reolution
You can solve this issue by blocking the pen tip with some tape, and it will work fine
Cosmic Elf
Does anyone have a problem with wavy lines when drawing slowly? I've been searching all over the web and trying to install older drivers, disabling windows features and I just can't get rid of the damn waves..
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