Memories of OWC 2013... Back then, that was amazingly done.Gigo wrote:
Several observations I'd like to make:
1. The Netherlands has as close to an optimal roster as they can get. We can expect a strong performance from them.
2. Argentina's team is (in my opinion) going to be hurt by the absence of players such as Glazbom and Salvage.
3. Taiwan's team should, under no circumstances, be scoffed at. Some people said they won't be able to compete with Poland and the US in this OWC... I'm gonna call bullshit on that one! They have their Holy Trinity (Rucker, SnowWhite and Small K) and their other players are extremely experienced as well.
There are 8 teams, whose rosters have not been revealed yet, but Austria's team should also be really strong (provided we don't see any surprise absence from it).
I still don't think this tournament will be as good as OWC 2013 (of which I have very fond memories), but I am hoping for some tough competition and great matches.
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Hopefully we're gonna have a good one :-)
Poland, Taiwan and USA looks the strongest but there are few other teams who can make TOP 4.
Poland, Taiwan and USA looks the strongest but there are few other teams who can make TOP 4.
To the ones that said that Korea's roster is weak have no knowledge at all. Their roster is scary af which was already proven in other tournaments like All star, ocwt, ohc and many more. Cinia, Chiyo, Reimu, Neta, Meltina they are all consistent af especially Neta, Chiyo and Cinia seems to be underrated by many players since they didnt see their tournament performance yet and are just judging by their ranks. Im pretty sure that South Korea will make it very far, they could even win the whole thing.
The underdogs of the tournament will be Austria. Nobody will expect much of them, but they could even crush the high/top seeded teams
Really looking forward to OWC so many strong teams, I wonder how they will do the seeds since imo USA, Germany, South Korea, China, Poland, Taiwan should all be Top seeded
The underdogs of the tournament will be Austria. Nobody will expect much of them, but they could even crush the high/top seeded teams
Really looking forward to OWC so many strong teams, I wonder how they will do the seeds since imo USA, Germany, South Korea, China, Poland, Taiwan should all be Top seeded
Hi, my opinion here. I may describe why I think each team is there later.
S TIER (strong title contenders): South Korea, United States, Poland, Germany
A TIER (runner-ups for the championship): China, Netherlands, Taiwan, (Austria?)
B TIER (possible surprises): Australia, Brazil, Canada, France, Norway, Japan, Russia, Sweden, Hong Kong, United Kingdom
C TIER (can go far if they overperform): Argentina, Finland, Lithuania, Thailand, Ukraine, Malaysia, (Italy?), (Mexico?)
D TIER (needs to overperform AND other teams to underperform): Greece, Latvia, New Zealand, Portugal, Singapore, (Philippines?)
hope i'm not underrating/overrating anyone, i'll have a well-written post explaining my opinion later :p
S TIER (strong title contenders): South Korea, United States, Poland, Germany
A TIER (runner-ups for the championship): China, Netherlands, Taiwan, (Austria?)
B TIER (possible surprises): Australia, Brazil, Canada, France, Norway, Japan, Russia, Sweden, Hong Kong, United Kingdom
C TIER (can go far if they overperform): Argentina, Finland, Lithuania, Thailand, Ukraine, Malaysia, (Italy?), (Mexico?)
D TIER (needs to overperform AND other teams to underperform): Greece, Latvia, New Zealand, Portugal, Singapore, (Philippines?)
hope i'm not underrating/overrating anyone, i'll have a well-written post explaining my opinion later :p
Yeah, in that next post, try to explain why you put Germany above China and Taiwan, cuz I'm really curious.
Basically: China has a lot of all-around players, but no particular strength. If you have a team that will perfectly play a single mod while being also good at another one, they can overplay them with no issues.Gigo wrote:
Yeah, in that next post, try to explain why you put Germany above China and Taiwan, cuz I'm really curious.
Taiwan should be S-Tier, but the fact that they tilt in almost every OWC to date is really a factor. They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that. Past may not be a factor, but the roster is almost the exact same as the other years. They're great players, but they don't seem to be able to perform as well in tournaments.
Roster is the same as previous years? Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players! You really can't give that match as an example of how they (supposedly) underperform in tournaments.
They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that.Didn't Japan lose to Sweden last year?
Taiwan got Snow White and Rucker back, both are monsters when it comes to tournament setting, they almost carried TW to a victory in 2013 and I think they can very well do the same or take it step further this year.
I think that was his point - they were missing all their key players in the first place.Gigo wrote:
Roster is the same as previous years? Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players! You really can't give that match as an example of how they (supposedly) underperform in tournaments.
People tend to overlook the fact that a team is only as strong as the players that show up on that weekend. A team that is unable to commit to competing each and every single week will not have the consistency to keep up with teams that do. After all, how can you be consistent gameplay wise if you're not consistent attendance wise?
I think that having your key players missing on account of them being banned due to policy infractions is a bit different than your key players missing because they can't be asked to show up. And I'm not sure how accurate of a metric an owc from 2 or 3 years ago would be, considering the rate of improvement that's been occurring.Minhtam wrote:
I think that was his point - they were missing all their key players in the first place.Gigo wrote:
Roster is the same as previous years? Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players! You really can't give that match as an example of how they (supposedly) underperform in tournaments.
People tend to overlook the fact that a team is only as strong as the players that show up on that weekend. A team that is unable to commit to competing each and every single week will not have the consistency to keep up with teams that do. After all, how can you be consistent gameplay wise if you're not consistent attendance wise?
It is pretty relevant if we're talking about the exact same players :pAlpha_00 wrote:
I think that having your key players missing on account of them being banned due to policy infractions is a bit different than your key players missing because they can't be asked to show up. And I'm not sure how accurate of a metric an owc from 2 or 3 years ago would be, considering the rate of improvement that's been occurring.Minhtam wrote:
I think that was his point - they were missing all their key players in the first place.
People tend to overlook the fact that a team is only as strong as the players that show up on that weekend. A team that is unable to commit to competing each and every single week will not have the consistency to keep up with teams that do. After all, how can you be consistent gameplay wise if you're not consistent attendance wise?
we will beat em all this year as well, dw :^)Gigo wrote:
Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players!
that just gave me some motivation, anyway. thank you
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?Blue Dragon wrote:
Basically: China has a lot of all-around players, but no particular strength. If you have a team that will perfectly play a single mod while being also good at another one, they can overplay them with no issues.Gigo wrote:
Yeah, in that next post, try to explain why you put Germany above China and Taiwan, cuz I'm really curious.
Taiwan should be S-Tier, but the fact that they tilt in almost every OWC to date is really a factor. They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that. Past may not be a factor, but the roster is almost the exact same as the other years. They're great players, but they don't seem to be able to perform as well in tournaments.
I wish you luck, but... I'm afraid motivation alone isn't gonna cut it. I'd love to be proved wrong though.Aka wrote:
we will beat em all this year as well, dw :^)
that just gave me some motivation, anyway. thank you
Lets go for the 4th crown South Korea gogogogogo 
I'm really looking forward to Cinia's performance
I'm really looking forward to Cinia's performance
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?
Thats quite a bold statement. I would claim that thier roster this year is at at least as strong as last year. Germany's roster last year was pretty much very strong in NoMod/DT , but kinda weak what it came to HR/HD. The roster this year looks a lot more balanced and I somehow have a feeling that they are even stronger this year, but its all up to the performance/consistency of the new players
if by "less skilled" you mean that Germany is the only team in the entire tournament with their 8 players being in the top 200 worldwide, then yes, they are less skilled.Xayne wrote:
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?Blue Dragon wrote:
Basically: China has a lot of all-around players, but no particular strength. If you have a team that will perfectly play a single mod while being also good at another one, they can overplay them with no issues.
Taiwan should be S-Tier, but the fact that they tilt in almost every OWC to date is really a factor. They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that. Past may not be a factor, but the roster is almost the exact same as the other years. They're great players, but they don't seem to be able to perform as well in tournaments.
1. One of their players is rank 250.Blue Dragon wrote:
if by "less skilled" you mean that Germany is the only team in the entire tournament with their 8 players being in the top 200 worldwide, then yes, they are less skilled.
2. Rank and skill are two different things (which is something we all should know extremely well by now).
Yes but we've seen from last year that players new to OWC can do very well Tom94 blowing my mind last year so while it is hard to give an exact guess they're not to be underestimated especially in context of Score v2.
My point still stands. In theory they are showing to be a much more consistent team than Taiwan, and it's just a prediction.Gigo wrote:
1. One of their players is rank 250.Blue Dragon wrote:
if by "less skilled" you mean that Germany is the only team in the entire tournament with their 8 players being in the top 200 worldwide, then yes, they are less skilled.
2. Rank and skill are two different things (which is something we all should know extremely well by now).
Fair enough. I guess I am a little biased since I like Taiwan's team, but whatever... we'll see what happens.Blue Dragon wrote:
... and it's just a prediction.
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Updated rosters, should be complete now.
Updated ruleset, defining that we use Score V2 now.
Fixed ruleset, where "mode" has been used, while it should be "mod" when referring to HardRock, Hidden etc.
Updated ruleset, defining that we use Score V2 now.
Fixed ruleset, where "mode" has been used, while it should be "mod" when referring to HardRock, Hidden etc.
Get hyped boys! Even if some teams have weaker players and what not, there's no telling what will happen in a tournament! So, let's get hyped for our favourite team!!
P.S. I want my banner to cheer for Hong Kong
P.S. I want my banner to cheer for Hong Kong
Wait... what?! You're not gonna cheer for Australia?Athrun wrote:
P.S. I want my banner to cheer for Hong Kong
Hong Kong is where I was born, so I'll cheer for Hong Kong.Gigo wrote:
Wait... what?! You're not gonna cheer for Australia?Athrun wrote:
P.S. I want my banner to cheer for Hong Kong
If they are out, I'll cheer for Australia next
One of my friends is on the Hong Kong team, so why wouldn't I cheer for them
I also support Hong Kong and my friend -N a n a k o- But Poland is an obvious #1 for me.
About owc wiki page - there is no 'The previous title holder is X (Japan)' sentence this year, did you guys forget about it or it's still under construction and that's why.
But Poland is an obvious #1 for me.About owc wiki page - there is no 'The previous title holder is X (Japan)' sentence this year, did you guys forget about it or it's still under construction and that's why.
Yay! Chaoslitz is in the tournament and also one of my good friends! Let's hope Hong Kong can make it after group stage \:D/sables48 wrote:
I also support Hong Kong and my friend -N a n a k o-
I'd love to commentate this year again! I was the English guy.
That would be awesome
That would be awesome
Oh ok, my bad.Athrun wrote:
Hong Kong is where I was born, so I'll cheer for Hong Kong.
VnSoul wrote:
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?
Thats quite a bold statement. I would claim that thier roster this year is at at least as strong as last year. Germany's roster last year was pretty much very strong in NoMod/DT , but kinda weak what it came to HR/HD. The roster this year looks a lot more balanced and I somehow have a feeling that they are even stronger this year, but its all up to the performance/consistency of the new players
sure tom is a really weak HD player... he only fc'd the tiebreaker with HD against us last year (#2 score back then)
Who are you going for this year, putting aside the differencesGigo wrote:
Oh ok, my bad.Athrun wrote:
Hong Kong is where I was born, so I'll cheer for Hong Kong.
I just want a country to win the osu! World Cup for the first time ever. i.e. anybody but South Korea and Japan.
Fortunately, judging by the makeup of their teams, it looks like most of the top South Korea and Japan players have this "been there, done that" attitude and are allowing some other top players a chance to play. We'll see if that comes back to haunt them.
Fortunately, judging by the makeup of their teams, it looks like most of the top South Korea and Japan players have this "been there, done that" attitude and are allowing some other top players a chance to play. We'll see if that comes back to haunt them.
I think players in this world cup are more skilled than ever, and can only continue improve to make future world cups even more exciting. It seems every team that is competing now all have really strong players who have the potential to perform really well in the tournament - and maybe force some upsets!
As for the viewers, I feel like this is a great tourney to watch, for experienced players, but also those who are newer or are just watching the twitch stream for the first time (wow they click so fast!). I feel like the new score system does promote a much more exciting viewing experience, and the presence of commentators can only add to the hype (https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... ng_system/)
Even though there have been problems in previous world cups I feel like this one has been mostly hassle-free (at least to this point in time), and it's definitely come a long way with increased publicity, player skill and prize pool. Would like to commend tournament management for their efforts in improving the world cup year by year (it seems we're even getting a team video on youtube this year?) and good luck to all teams!
As for the viewers, I feel like this is a great tourney to watch, for experienced players, but also those who are newer or are just watching the twitch stream for the first time (wow they click so fast!). I feel like the new score system does promote a much more exciting viewing experience, and the presence of commentators can only add to the hype (https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... ng_system/)
Even though there have been problems in previous world cups I feel like this one has been mostly hassle-free (at least to this point in time), and it's definitely come a long way with increased publicity, player skill and prize pool. Would like to commend tournament management for their efforts in improving the world cup year by year (it seems we're even getting a team video on youtube this year?) and good luck to all teams!
Actually, sayo and Dungeon are gone for militaryMinhtam wrote:
I just want a country to win the osu! World Cup for the first time ever. i.e. anybody but South Korea and Japan.
Fortunately, judging by the makeup of their teams, it looks like most of the top South Korea and Japan players have this "been there, done that" attitude and are allowing some other top players a chance to play. We'll see if that comes back to haunt them.
HDHR playing DnF
Bikko and ffury busy for work
Idk about Nara
(Military too bad...)