osu! World Cup 2015 - Discussion Thread

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Minhtam

Noki wrote:

This isn't a random tournament. This is the World Cup. The best a country can bring vs the best a country can bring. What we are seeing (last year as well) is 1 - 3 of a country's best players are being banned from playing. Of course I understand the rules and such, but like any sport or e-sport for that matter, you don't see this kind of reinforcement anywhere. A player who hasn't violated any serious rules, such as hacking and so on, should have some sort of leniency. Why is there such a draconian policy on a minor violation? In sports, you don't see a foul result in them not being able to play in the finals of an event.
You know why other sports and e-sports give players some leniency to players for "minor" infractions? It's because Sports and e-Sports have stadiums to host audiences and television deals to draw more audiences. And when players are not playing those sports, viewership and attendance counts drop, which costs them millions in revenue and hurts future stadium leases and television deals in the long run. In other words, when a player commits a infraction against the league rules, major sports and e-Sports are forced to sacrifice their integrity for the sake of profiting their business in the long run.

tl;dr, major sports and e-sports can give "leniency" to players with "minor infractions" because the consumers' code of dollar signs is more important than the players' code of conduct.

Look at osu! → We don't have stadiums to hosts big events, and the only place to view the world cup is a random online Twitch channel that doesn't have a subscribe button. We don't make money. Therefore, if a player breaks code of conduct, technically, the tournament staff has nothing to lose in punishing a player for violating the terms of service. From the osu! staff's point of view, the point of the World Cup is to showcase the game, not the players. That's what it all comes down to.
tryaway
Kreygasm, can't wait to see top 5 players clash each other.
WWW + Rafis , Hvick and index_ woooo
Rip Japan, no-one from their top 5 applied for OWC
buny

Neko Sanae wrote:

Ok now seriously what is the criteria for choosing teams, we had more than enough players for a team. And if we are talking about performance idk why NZ, Mexico, Philippines, Thailand, Greece and Singapore got instead of us.
NZ has played most if not all owc. We don't perform particularly well, but we did and still do qualify in the top 32 which gives us the right to play.

It's offensive that you list "weaker" countries to make yourself look better as a counter-argument. It is an asshole statement to make towards the countries you list and I am glad that you aren't able to participate this year.

And by the way, NZ has better on-paper stats than Spain even if your intended roster were to register.


edit: Reading your reddit posts, I'm even more glad that you're not participating. A country that wants to publicize their issues rather than confront management and also feels that entitled to play without reaching the expectations shouldn't be playing.
Electoz
Maybe should we have something like 'Qualifier round' next year?
I mean, if your country is far from the first 32 then it will be unlikely that you will ever get in.
In my opinion, I think every country should have a chance to prove themselves that they're strong and good enough for the world cup

Just in my opinion though.
bolt997
Based on the spread sheet, Indonesia is not going to participate in the world cup?
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Loctav

Electoz wrote:

Maybe should we have something like 'Qualifier round' next year?
I mean, if your country is far from the first 32 then it will be unlikely that you will ever get in.
In my opinion, I think every country should have a chance to prove themselves that they're strong and good enough for the world cup

Just in my opinion though.
.. but the group stage are the qualifier rounds? :C

bolt997 wrote:

Based on the spread sheet, Indonesia is not going to participate in the world cup?
that is correct by now.
tryaway
Next year for the last 8 spots, do a qualification round.
Like the best 24 countries auto-qualified, but the remaining 8 spots can be taken by any countries.
Bauxe

tryaway wrote:

Next year for the last 8 spots, do a qualification round.
Like the best 24 countries auto-qualified, but the remaining 8 spots can be taken by any countries.
Why? The OWC is meant to be the best, so they get the top 32 (statistically) best teams.
buny

tryaway wrote:

Next year for the last 8 spots, do a qualification round.
Like the best 24 countries auto-qualified, but the remaining 8 spots can be taken by any countries.
How about the other countries just put in more effort to get a higher rank, so they can qualify? Any country that has better statistics should have priority over the ones below it.

It's really not that hard to comprehend. You have a whole year to dedicate yourself into getting a better rank to qualify for owc. And if a superb player is being held back by the rest of the players in their country, well tough luck. OWC is a team-comp tournament. If your team lacks the skill or effort to be statistically better in a whole year, then let other teams that did put in the effort go through.
Cyclohexane
A qualifier round sounds pretty good, actually. Many sports and e-sports do this. Of course, this means more matches to organize, but it also ensures a fairer outcome in the end. Rank only says so much compared to performing with OWC rules. There's a bit of a trough towards August-October in world cup action, so this could be an idea to hold signups sooner and gather, say, 8 countries fighting for 4 spots and have them do a round robin.
MiruHong

Mr Color wrote:

A qualifier round sounds pretty good, actually. Many sports and e-sports do this. Of course, this means more matches to organize, but it also ensures a fairer outcome in the end. Rank only says so much compared to performing with OWC rules. There's a bit of a trough towards August-October in world cup action, so this could be an idea to hold signups sooner and gather, say, 8 countries fighting for 4 spots and have them do a round robin.
I think players are misunderstanding their positions (not trying to offend anyone), if you aren't in the top 8 (or even 16) you should be privileged to even play in OWC. Group stages are meant to weed out the weak teams and having a qualifier is redundant since 32 countries is already spreading the player base thin. Nobody has time to organize something that is pointless and the end result (Bo16) would be the same regardless the amount of gauntlets.

This is just my 2 cents and from a perspective of a player who spent since OWC 2014 to qualify for this year's OWC.
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Loctav
Consider the single player mode as a one year lasting qualification stage then...
Electoz
Well, I don't mind that much if more qualification rounds will exist or not.
But I think I should clarify my point here.

- If we really held more qualification rounds, I think more problems will come up tbh, but I think the problem is every country deserve at least a chance, let's say there's a country that has 1 strong player and 7 weaker players. In real game, that 1 person may fc and led his team to victory. I think to be judged statistically is pretty fair, but for those who are far from the first 32 will never have a chance to prove themselves. Also, I think everyone want to see the best player in their country competing.

- [Just my own preference] If we judged statistically every year, I think the teams will be not much different. To see almost the same teams every year, it could be a little bit more exciting if we could see some new faces in the world cup.

I didn't say that we should or should not make more qualifier rounds. I just point out something in my opinion as a suggestion that there are something that shouldn't be overlooked.

Well, I don't mind if you guys opposed to this but at least take this as a single suggestion, just an another perspective
buny

Mr Color wrote:

A qualifier round sounds pretty good, actually. Many sports and e-sports do this. Of course, this means more matches to organize, but it also ensures a fairer outcome in the end. Rank only says so much compared to performing with OWC rules. There's a bit of a trough towards August-October in world cup action, so this could be an idea to hold signups sooner and gather, say, 8 countries fighting for 4 spots and have them do a round robin.
Thing is that the e-sports that do this is because there are probably no ladders or leagues they are basing their teams seeding on.

A lot of the smaller tournaments in csgo are based on the teams positions on a ladder. It's easier to think of the pp rankings as a sort of ladder qualifying system, I guess.
Poofie
If we judged statistically every year, I think the teams will be not much different. To see almost the same teams every year, it could be a little bit more exciting if we could see some new faces in the world cup.
look at e-sports, there are allmost all the time the same teams competing and we still watch it, i don't see the point in this..

And like it is stated many times, you have a year inbetween OWC's to practice and rank up for qualification to OWC.. I worked my butt off since OWC'14, and so did few others, and we got to OWC. Just stop this mindless nag, and start practicing / ranking for OWC'16. Loctav has better things to do i think.
Tebz188

Poofie wrote:

Loctav has better things to do i think.
I'm proud for finns getting in on such a high placing, even tho we are fairly small country. And im sure spaniards are dissapointed bc they arent in, but if they truly are better than some top 32 teams they should prove it for next year by getting the PP needed.
Enon
Why tournament managements don't tell me about that what is my fault?
They just say "It's your fault" don't tell what that is.

I want see the reason of my ban!
Endaris

Enon wrote:

Why tournament managements don't tell me about that what is my fault?
They just say "It's your fault" don't tell what that is.

I want see the reason of my ban!

Loctav wrote:

Contact tournaments@ppy.sh for that
bolt997

bolt997 wrote:

Based on the spread sheet, Indonesia is not going to participate in the world cup?
that is correct by now.[/quote]

I thought registration was over? Is there any other way to get one more member to join?
nya10

bolt997 wrote:

bolt997 wrote:

Based on the spread sheet, Indonesia is not going to participate in the world cup?

Loctav wrote:

that is correct by now.
I thought registration was over? Is there any other way to get one more member to join?
Registration is over, it's time for the selected country to pick their possible member.
It's impossible to get any more member to register right now.

And yeah, currently Indonesia won't be in osu! World Cup 2015 for now.
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