Ok now seriously what is the criteria for choosing teams, we had more than enough players for a team. And if we are talking about performance idk why NZ, Mexico, Philippines, Thailand, Greece and Singapore got instead of us.

Spain slightly tied with Greece, but Greece provided better players in the average at the end. (based on who was a valid registree and did not violate the game rules)

EDIT: whoever is concerned, here is an overview of all countries that had more or equal to 6 valid registrations (minimum team size for the OWC is 6, maximum is 8). teams were first evaluated by total average pp, then by amount of top 2000 players, by top 1000 players, then by average pp of top 6 and average pp of top 8 players. This chart is sorted by average pp of top 6 players, however, with every measurement we used, we only got slightly different results, but we decided to be the top 6 of average pp to be the most accurate one for now to decide on tie cases like Greece and Spain.

http://puu.sh/kTxNI/785bc719c4.pdf

EDIT 2: Google Docs fucked up formulas. Fixed version: http://puu.sh/kTy7z/c26bbaf345.pdf

Loctav wrote:

Spain slightly tied with Greece, but Greece provided better players in the average at the end. (based on who was a valid registree and did not violate the game rules)

Apart from some players that actually BROKE the rules, I think none of the players with better rank broke any rule apart from spamming Tillerino...
Edit: I think i wasn't clear enough, I mean the players that were actually going to play OWC and they were registered ( such as waaiiru, xelo ns, KHRiku, adrilolo9, Nazurin...) didnt break ANY since I've been playing this game.

Edit 2: Since when 5+2 = 6????????



This was the first OWC I could play, but I'm quite ashamed now. Looks like there's nothing we can do.

But, afaik, the players who broke the rules (Reifos as a example) didn't even registered so we could join.

So i don't think that I know which rules did waaiiru, xelo ns, KHRiku, Nazurin (who was unfairly restricted and unrestricted without a single word), adrilolo9 and me broke.

Neko Sanae wrote:

But, afaik, the players who broke the rules (Reifos as a example) didn't even registered so we could join.

So i don't think that I know which rules did waaiiru, xelo ns, KHRiku, Nazurin (who was unfairly restricted and unrestricted without a single word), adrilolo9 and me broke.

Contact tournaments@ppy.sh for that

Izen x wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Spain slightly tied with Greece, but Greece provided better players in the average at the end. (based on who was a valid registree and did not violate the game rules)

Apart from some players that actually BROKE the rules, I think none of the players with better rank broke any rule apart from spamming Tillerino...

Greece

Riven-Rank:230
Tofas-Rank:654
ThePainG7-Rank:1101
SutiBu-Rank:1016
I Like Kimas-Rank:1164
JohnyZ-Rank:2126

Average: 1048,5

Spain

Waaiiru-Rank: 265
Xelo ns-Rank:361
KHRiku-Rank:551
Nazurin-Rank:1147
adrilolo9-Rank: 1606
Neko Sanae-Rank: 1927

Average: 804

We don't broke any rule, so this is not fair.

adrilolo9 wrote:

We don't broke any rule, so this is not fair.

That's a tough claim to make.
They either didn't sign up or they DID break the rules and just love to cover it up. The remaining 6 people were unable to match against Greece, so yeah. That's it.

Loctav wrote:

adrilolo9 wrote:

We don't broke any rule, so this is not fair.

That's a tough claim to make.
They either didn't sign up or they DID break the rules and just love to cover it up. The remaining 6 people were unable to match against Greece, so yeah. That's it.

6 players? We were 7, look at my second edit on the post I made before when possible please.

Loctav wrote:

adrilolo9 wrote:

We don't broke any rule, so this is not fair.

They either didn't sign up or they DID break the rules and just love to cover it up.

And that isn't a tough claim to make aswell? We know who signed up because we organised everything in our community.

Even if I would allow one player more from the list, you would still end up below Chile and nowhere outmatch Greece. I just calculated that out, again. We use the data on sign up, by the way.

Loctav wrote:

Even if I would allow one player more from the list, you would still end up below Chile and nowhere outmatch Greece. I just calculated that out, again. We use the data on sign up, by the way.

i don't want to be arrogant or something but are you sure your data was correct?

Izen x wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Even if I would allow one player more from the list, you would still end up below Chile and nowhere outmatch Greece. I just calculated that out, again. We use the data on sign up, by the way.

i don't want to be arrogant or something but are you sure your data was correct?

Spain out of OWC... seems legit

Loctav wrote:

EDIT 2: Google Docs fucked up formulas. Fixed version: http://puu.sh/kTy7z/c26bbaf345.pdf

Still wrong formulas...

Loctav wrote:

Spain slightly tied with Greece, but Greece provided better players in the average at the end. (based on who was a valid registree and did not violate the game rules)

EDIT: whoever is concerned, here is an overview of all countries that had more or equal to 6 valid registrations (minimum team size for the OWC is 6, maximum is 8). teams were first evaluated by total average pp, then by amount of top 2000 players, by top 1000 players, then by average pp of top 6 and average pp of top 8 players. This chart is sorted by average pp of top 6 players, however, with every measurement we used, we only got slightly different results, but we decided to be the top 6 of average pp to be the most accurate one for now to decide on tie cases like Greece and Spain.

http://puu.sh/kTxNI/785bc719c4.pdf

EDIT 2: Google Docs fucked up formulas. Fixed version: http://puu.sh/kTy7z/c26bbaf345.pdf

no way man... at least if youre decided not to let us enter in the tournament dont edit 50 times your post, cause it seems that youre not even sure about it.

Izen x wrote:

Loctav wrote:

EDIT 2: Google Docs fucked up formulas. Fixed version: http://puu.sh/kTy7z/c26bbaf345.pdf

Still wrong formulas...

He didn't even change the first one so...

Formulas are correct now

Loctav wrote:

Formulas are correct now

Formulas are correct now...Not for Spain tho...

Also for Spain.

someone who is in top 1000 is also in top 2000, it's not 2+5

Nwolf wrote:

someone who is in top 1000 is also in top 2000, it's not 2+5

waaiiru, xelo ns and KHRiku were top1000 by the time to register.

I think 2=/=3

Nwolf wrote:

someone who is in top 1000 is also in top 2000, it's not 2+5

You're right, I didnt think about that, I'm sorry. But there's still the highest rank error, waaiiru wasnt 34X when he registered, it's like they didnt count with him.

And now guess why

Izen x wrote:

Nwolf wrote:

someone who is in top 1000 is also in top 2000, it's not 2+5

You're right, I didnt think about that, I'm sorry. nut there's still the lowest rank error, waaiiru wasnt 34X when he registered, it's like they didnt count with him.

They clearly didn't count on him, even if him being the best player on our country.

Loctav wrote:

And now guess why

I can hardly guess something like that with my lack of information, but I haven't seen a single serious fault (100-200h) in his profile this year.

Loctav wrote:

And now guess why

I'm fixing your formulas now.
This are Spain's stats.

There is nothing to fix. Everyone who passed the registration conditions were included into the calculations correctly. They either did not sign up or they violated the rules. In the latter case, make them contact tournaments@ppy.sh and call it a day.

Loctav wrote:

There is nothing to fix. Everyone who passed the registration conditions were included into the calculations correctly. They either did not sign up or they violated the rules. In the latter case, make them contact tournaments@ppy.sh and call it a day.

waaiiru signed up and didn't broke any rules. He isn't counted in.

One of your provided conditions does not apply then. In any case, waaiiru can discuss that with tournaments@ppy.sh

Loctav wrote:

Also for Spain.

I checked the pdf like 10 times and you did change nothing at all.

I am not going to reply to that anymore, as you obviously do not understand what I am saying. I just messed up 3-4 formulas on the top pp on a handful of columns, everything else works perfectly fine and is accurate. The doc does not show any mistakes, no further fixes are required. And I just repeat that to be sure: the doc does now show any mistakes, no further fixes are required.

Make everyone you think was excluded contact the mail address and stop disturbing this thread, please.

Loctav wrote:

One of your provided conditions does not apply then. In any case, waaiiru can discuss that with tournaments@ppy.sh

Just listen to me, I think this is not correct, well you can do a mistake on doing the sheet, cause it's normal. But you are only sending the same link to the sheet again and again, saying that "now formulas are correct" but there's no change on it. We are saying you that Waaiiru is not in the sheet, so it's normal that this "formula" is wrong. And the only thing you are saying is: contact with tournaments@ppy.sh all the time. I enjoy so much osu! but I think people need to be fair doing things. And as I said this is not. I sent you an excel with the correct Spanish stats, with Waaiiru in it, and you just say, this is not correct. I was doing the average of Waaiiru, Xelo ns, KHRiku, Nazurin, adrilolo9 (me) and Neko Sanae, and we have more average than other teams that are accepted. I am just saying the truth, if I told any lies just ban me

Let's be clear.
Stop bringing your issues here.

If you think you have been spoiled and want to know the reason for what a player isn't allowed to play, he is free, as stated again and again, to send a mail to tournaments@ppy.sh

Consider it as a final warning, any try to bring this topic here again will be removed from this thread.

Thanks for all the work put into this. A little bit gutted to see that Switzerland didn't get in, until I saw that we didn't have enough registrees (whoops :p). Will look forward to watching this year though . Anyways, OWC, is a big goal for many of our players and I'm sure we'll all continue to strive for that goal in the coming year. Best of luck to all teams accepted!

Unfortunately Venezuela wasn't able to qualify this year aswell Oh well...

We'll be looking forward for next year's OWC!

Good luck to all participants

I don't like seeing this kind of drama happen like it did last year, since it was blown way out of proportion. I agree with the points Loctav is making (surprisingly as it may seem to some), and it's a bit ignorant to hold grudges from last year's World Cup.
However
I don't agree with :

Loctav wrote:

I am sure there are other people more than happy to join this competition. If you are so salty about everything, better leave the spot for people who actually enjoy these things.

This isn't a random tournament. This is the World Cup. The best a country can bring vs the best a country can bring. What we are seeing (last year as well) is 1 - 3 of a country's best players are being banned from playing. Of course I understand the rules and such, but like any sport or e-sport for that matter, you don't see this kind of reinforcement anywhere. A player who hasn't violated any serious rules, such as hacking and so on, should have some sort of leniency. Why is there such a draconian policy on a minor violation? In sports, you don't see a foul result in them not being able to play in the finals of an event.

I feel like maybe restricting the player who violated a minor rule to be restricted to playing a certain number of maps? Don't know, just throwing a random idea I just thought of out there. I'm sure the tournament staff could figure this out better than I could, and I'm sure that you realize something like multiaccounting or acting like a douchebag is enough to be banned from the World cup is silly. I can list countless dicks in real sports / e-sports that never have such a harsh, (and yes I'm using the word harsh because this is like the one officially sponsored tournament for osu! std that people actually look forward to), punishment for being rude.

However much we like to blame Loctav, he's doing these things for a reason. He's not petty enough to decide these things out of spite. We should trust Loctav's decisions at times because he DID manage OWC 2013 that everyone loved so much...

However the lack of proper communication, let alone respect is astonishing. In no other community, not even the most toxic, have I seen a mod openly call people out and act rudely. Sure you aren't getting respect either, but you're a fucking mod. If you acted a bit, just a bit more understanding and respectful, maybe there wouldn't be so many people hating on the decisions that you've made simply because they don't like you.

Anyways, I hope we have an awesome World Cup like 2013!

USA! USA! (wait Kablaze is banned?)
TAIWAN! TAIWAN!

The conditions of the world cup are known for over 2 years now. I am not bothering to buy anyone any leniency, because they had 1 entire year to adjust since the drama of the last year.

This is our tournament, our time, our money, our dedication. We make the conditions for joining. And if you don't meet this conditions, you can not join. It's simple as that.

MX MX MX MX

Noki wrote:

This isn't a random tournament. This is the World Cup. The best a country can bring vs the best a country can bring. What we are seeing (last year as well) is 1 - 3 of a country's best players are being banned from playing. Of course I understand the rules and such, but like any sport or e-sport for that matter, you don't see this kind of reinforcement anywhere. A player who hasn't violated any serious rules, such as hacking and so on, should have some sort of leniency. Why is there such a draconian policy on a minor violation? In sports, you don't see a foul result in them not being able to play in the finals of an event.

You know why other sports and e-sports give players some leniency to players for "minor" infractions? It's because Sports and e-Sports have stadiums to host audiences and television deals to draw more audiences. And when players are not playing those sports, viewership and attendance counts drop, which costs them millions in revenue and hurts future stadium leases and television deals in the long run. In other words, when a player commits a infraction against the league rules, major sports and e-Sports are forced to sacrifice their integrity for the sake of profiting their business in the long run.

tl;dr, major sports and e-sports can give "leniency" to players with "minor infractions" because the consumers' code of dollar signs is more important than the players' code of conduct.

Look at osu! → We don't have stadiums to hosts big events, and the only place to view the world cup is a random online Twitch channel that doesn't have a subscribe button. We don't make money. Therefore, if a player breaks code of conduct, technically, the tournament staff has nothing to lose in punishing a player for violating the terms of service. From the osu! staff's point of view, the point of the World Cup is to showcase the game, not the players. That's what it all comes down to.

Kreygasm, can't wait to see top 5 players clash each other.
WWW + Rafis , Hvick and index_ woooo
Rip Japan, no-one from their top 5 applied for OWC

Neko Sanae wrote:

Ok now seriously what is the criteria for choosing teams, we had more than enough players for a team. And if we are talking about performance idk why NZ, Mexico, Philippines, Thailand, Greece and Singapore got instead of us.

NZ has played most if not all owc. We don't perform particularly well, but we did and still do qualify in the top 32 which gives us the right to play.

It's offensive that you list "weaker" countries to make yourself look better as a counter-argument. It is an asshole statement to make towards the countries you list and I am glad that you aren't able to participate this year.

And by the way, NZ has better on-paper stats than Spain even if your intended roster were to register.


edit: Reading your reddit posts, I'm even more glad that you're not participating. A country that wants to publicize their issues rather than confront management and also feels that entitled to play without reaching the expectations shouldn't be playing.