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Minhtam
Ok, LoGo, let me help you out.

You are from Latvia. The performance rankings for all players from Latvia can be found here: https://osu.ppy.sh/p/pp?s=3&o=1&c=LV

As of today, only the top eight players from Latvia are ranked in the top 5000 worldwide, with the #9 Latvian player ranked in the 7000s. Clearly, that means that if Latvia were to participate with a full team of eight, there's only one possible combination of eight players that can.

I would suggest that you stop complaining and whining to Loctav and start contacting the other seven players right now to ask them to register. Because if you don't, you have zero chance to participate due to lack of players to form a team.
Korbl
My rank is pretty low. But anyways, please read the words. Do not reply and jump to conclusions. I will ignore all posts that have not been answered by this one.

According to current OWC policy if your rank is under 5000, no matter who you are or what position in Osu! hierarchy you are in, you should have no reason to argue, because you won't even be competing. The only way you will be is by cheating, and we all know that you will be banned eventually.

Of course, many people in every e-sport can agree with me that honestly at such high levels, rank shouldn't matter. However, I think that 5000 is pretty lenient considering the number of countries in the world, we can average about 70 players per country. However, for obscure regions, they should be tied together as competition there is limited, and very few players truly are there.

In fact, other e-sport leagues do this very well by grouping most of the South-East Asia countries into a conglomerate region, and leaving the 3 countries in North America by themselves. Although the numbers are truly large in those competitions, I'm considering that peppy and his team forced Osu! to find players within their own region so that international teams are not made up of rank 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8.

But when a country has less than available player/country population ratio, then there will be major problems for those extremely skilled top tier players that cannot find a team. Though, I am sure that peppy will find a way to resolve this situation. It will certainly be disappointing if some in ranks 500 could not play due to lack of player/country ratios.

Another issue that peppy has dealt with is the carrying we have seen in previous OWC. I watched some of those videos, and I understand how it could be a problem. Adjusting a time limit so that people can't set tournaments is a great way to solve stacked teams. However, many players will also agree that time management or "dedication" cannot define one's skill level.
In many cases with leagues outside of osu, a substitute is always filled in until a suitable player can be found. No matter what group stage or finals, either the entire team or part of the team plays. No team should be disallowed, because availability is decided by fanbase.
SPOILER
And to those who think that the opportunity to play in OWC should be given to the most dedicated or pleasure-seeking "countries."

Minhtam wrote:

Ok, LoGo, let me help you out.


I would suggest that you stop complaining and whining to Loctav and start contacting the other seven players right now to ask them to register. Because if you don't, you have zero chance to participate due to lack of players to form a team.

Loctav wrote:

I am sure there are other people more than happy to join this competition. If you are so salty about everything, better leave the spot for people who actually enjoy these things.
You honestly have no idea what world cup actually means. The first OWC was basically formed by dedicated players. To have the sense to post on such a forum already that you will voice your opinions whether or not the community will approve. Please grow up and understand that almost everyone here enjoys a game. If only 200 people in your country love a game, doesn't mean that 2 people from another country don't love it as much as you the 200 do. Actually understand from another point of view before speaking. Yes, I am defending LoGo, but only because his argument is just. Anyone who opposes his argument that defines skill and love based on a game's fanbase only seek to deface and discriminate against minorities. They should never be allowed to voice their opinions that only allow the majority to have any proper opinions, if the majority were based in a certain area. Honestly, just be mature about it, and quit acting like the status quo should be defended.
Why defend the strong, when the weak are shouting? You not only force yourself to a level lower than the weak, but also permanently destroy any semblance to humanity.
Melt3dCheeze
Please guys calm your tits down, let the fingers do the talking, this tourney is just for fun. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
CXu
I'm going to write inside the quote to make it easier to know what I'm talking about.

Korbl wrote:

My rank is pretty low. But anyways, please read the words. Do not reply and jump to conclusions. I will ignore all posts that have not been answered by this one. - You're going to ignore all posts about things that haven't been answered by this post?

According to current OWC policy if your rank is under 5000, no matter who you are or what position in Osu! hierarchy you are in, you should have no reason to argue, because you won't even be competing. The only way you will be is by cheating, and we all know that you will be banned eventually. - I'm not sure where you got that from. People are testing and giving input on score v2 regardless of their rank as we speak.

Of course, many people in every e-sport can agree with me that honestly at such high levels, rank shouldn't matter. However, I think that 5000 is pretty lenient considering the number of countries in the world, we can average about 70 players per country. However, for obscure regions, they should be tied together as competition there is limited, and very few players truly are there. - Yeah, that sucks. It's still a world cup though, as in country vs country. Some countries might not participate in some games during the olympics simply because they don't have enough people to form a team to compete.

In fact, other e-sport leagues do this very well by grouping most of the South-East Asia countries into a conglomerate region, and leaving the 3 countries in North America by themselves. Although the numbers are truly large in those competitions, I'm considering that peppy and his team forced Osu! to find players within their own region so that international teams are not made up of rank 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8. - Or simply because it's a world cup. A football team might have people from different countries, but during the world cup, they play for their national team. (Probably. I don't football so idk)

But when a country has less than available player/country population ratio, then there will be major problems for those extremely skilled top tier players that cannot find a team. Though, I am sure that peppy will find a way to resolve this situation. It will certainly be disappointing if some in ranks 500 could not play due to lack of player/country ratios. - Yes. It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.

Another issue that peppy has dealt with is the carrying we have seen in previous OWC. I watched some of those videos, and I understand how it could be a problem. Adjusting a time limit so that people can't set tournaments is a great way to solve stacked teams. However, many players will also agree that time management or "dedication" cannot define one's skill level. - I seriously have no idea what you're talking about. How is carrying relevant to dedication or time management?
In many cases with leagues outside of osu, a substitute is always filled in until a suitable player can be found. No matter what group stage or finals, either the entire team or part of the team plays. No team should be disallowed, because availability is decided by fanbase. - Yes. in OWC you play 4 vs 4. This means that you essentially have 4 substitutes. This also means that a team of 4 people can compete with no substitutes. For any competition, substitutes must be registered beforehand. And "availability is decided by fanbase". Uh? Availability is decided by if you're available at the time or not...
SPOILER
And to those who think that the opportunity to play in OWC should be given to the most dedicated or pleasure-seeking "countries."

Minhtam wrote:

Ok, LoGo, let me help you out.


I would suggest that you stop complaining and whining to Loctav and start contacting the other seven players right now to ask them to register. Because if you don't, you have zero chance to participate due to lack of players to form a team.

Loctav wrote:

I am sure there are other people more than happy to join this competition. If you are so salty about everything, better leave the spot for people who actually enjoy these things.
You honestly have no idea what world cup actually means. The first OWC was basically formed by dedicated players. To have the sense to post on such a forum already that you will voice your opinions whether or not the community will approve. Please grow up and understand that almost everyone here enjoys a game. If only 200 people in your country love a game, doesn't mean that 2 people from another country don't love it as much as you the 200 do. Actually understand from another point of view before speaking. Yes, I am defending LoGo, but only because his argument is just. Anyone who opposes his argument that defines skill and love based on a game's fanbase only seek to deface and discriminate against minorities. They should never be allowed to voice their opinions that only allow the majority to have any proper opinions, if the majority were based in a certain area. Honestly, just be mature about it, and quit acting like the status quo should be defended.
Why defend the strong, when the weak are shouting? You not only force yourself to a level lower than the weak, but also permanently destroy any semblance to humanity.
No one is trying to oppress or discriminate against the minority. Where do you get that from? What you're talking about has like nothing to do with what LoGo is complaining about in the first place. They want to know if a registered player is allowed to play or not before registration ends, so they can find substitutes if that's the case. Then the issue is solved by finding potential substitutes right now, before the registration ends, because if someone can't play, pick one of the other people who registered. Who knows, someone you thought could play might suddenly have other things to do, and then you'd be screwed if your registered team was already set in stone. The end result is the same though: if the "best" team registered, all you have to do is to pick those players. Any player knows if they have broken any rules or not in the past year, so if they decided to make the "best" team with said player, then I'd suggest picking someone else regardless, as they're most likely lying about it.
What LoGo is talking about is almost a non-issue, as more than 8 people can register as a potential candidate to play in the owc, so saying you don't have time to find substitutes is not true. You have time right now to do so.
Minhtam
I was going to respond to you Korbl, since you directly addressed me in your post, but CXu said what I was going to say and MUCH more. I'm going to leave it at that for now.
My Aim Zogs
How many players may a team consist of?
LoGo

Zog wrote:

How many players may a team consist of?
There is one person who likes to state pretty obvious information, here is the screenshot from previous page :- )

NyaKame
Awh cmon 18th is not over yet and registration phase is closed, unlucky me my bad i guess
Neta
Idk if there was same question but can i ask if Captain and member list comes out on Oct 19 or more later
buny

NyaKame wrote:

Awh cmon 18th is not over yet and registration phase is closed, unlucky me my bad i guess
it shouldn't be closed,

It may have been bad wording, and meant closing at the start of 18th




Wait until word from staff I guess
Topic Starter
Loctav

NyaKame wrote:

Awh cmon 18th is not over yet and registration phase is closed, unlucky me my bad i guess
Well no. It should be open again. Our fault! You still have around 14h to register!
NyaKame

Loctav wrote:

NyaKame wrote:

Awh cmon 18th is not over yet and registration phase is closed, unlucky me my bad i guess
Well no. It should be open again. Our fault! You still have around 14h to register!
Thanks a lot, managed to register
Nakatoru

Neta wrote:

Idk if there was same question but can i ask if Captain and member list comes out on Oct 19 or more later
Oh, I would like to know about this too please.
Topic Starter
Loctav
We need to process the last wave of registrations first, for sure! This is quite a bunch of work, so give it a bit of time. We try to send out the candidate list as soon as possible. However, the registration is still open for another 2 hours, so we have to sit that out first.
Minhtam
Then why not screen the players you already have? That means less work later on.
juankristal

Minhtam wrote:

Then why not screen the players you already have? That means less work later on.
I think thats because they have to proceess the registrations... Like, check if the registrations are between 1-5000 rank, eetc.
KRZY
Let them work when they want to
Topic Starter
Loctav
We can not send out things before. This is simply because we need to know about everyone who signed up and passed to decide which of the more than 32 countries will stay. No point in releasing everything and giving people a big bummer, because their country won't play due to weaker performance than others.
fabriciorby

juankristal wrote:

I want to see how Brazil does.
BRASIL

we're really excited
juankristal

fabriciorby wrote:

juankristal wrote:

I want to see how Brazil does.
BRASIL

we're really excited
Bring me some reasons to be happy about the hispanic/portuguese level <3
Nakatoru
We would really like to feel the experience of taking part in a high-level tournament like this :D
plaatinum
When are the player lists going to be sent out to captains?
-Ryuujii-
Just wait -___- Geez. So impatient.
Minhtam

-Ryuujii- wrote:

Just wait -___- Geez. So impatient.
Hey, we've been waiting almost a year for this moment lol
Acuiasa
So hyped! Canada's not going to make it past group stage (as always). Still hyped.
MiruHong

Acuiasa wrote:

So hyped! Canada's not going to make it past group stage (as always). Still hyped.


Son, we'll win it all.
My Aim Zogs
Will the people that don't become captain get to know who becomes captain?
MiruHong

Zog wrote:

Will the people that don't become captain get to know who becomes captain?
No, the selected captain has to inform the players. It seems the captains selected were what was already predetermined by the team or at least in Canada's case.
Kazutakee

MiruHong wrote:

Zog wrote:

Will the people that don't become captain get to know who becomes captain?
No, the selected captain has to inform the players. It seems the captains selected were what was already predetermined by the team or at least in Canada's case.
Im pretty sure it was the Tournament Management that had to pick the captain according to the registration ruleset.
Topic Starter
Loctav

MiruHong wrote:

Zog wrote:

Will the people that don't become captain get to know who becomes captain?
No, the selected captain has to inform the players. It seems the captains selected were what was already predetermined by the team or at least in Canada's case.
I was lucky picking the right one, uh? ;D
Kazutakee

Loctav wrote:

I was lucky picking the right one, uh? ;D
Does that mean that the captains are already notified their positions ?
Topic Starter
Loctav
some are, some are not. I will publish a list later
bolt997
How will I know if I get drafted by my team captain?
Bauxe

bolt997 wrote:

How will I know if I get drafted by my team captain?
They will more than likely contact you.
Athrun
And the first 7 countries are up!

This already looks to be a really competitive world cup already! Don't know about you guys, but I'm hyped!
Topic Starter
Loctav
Frc
I bet Spain will do well in this OWC :DDDDDDDD Nice tournament
Frc
Ok now seriously what is the criteria for choosing teams, we had more than enough players for a team. And if we are talking about performance idk why NZ, Mexico, Philippines, Thailand, Greece and Singapore got instead of us.
Topic Starter
Loctav
Spain slightly tied with Greece, but Greece provided better players in the average at the end. (based on who was a valid registree and did not violate the game rules)

EDIT: whoever is concerned, here is an overview of all countries that had more or equal to 6 valid registrations (minimum team size for the OWC is 6, maximum is 8). teams were first evaluated by total average pp, then by amount of top 2000 players, by top 1000 players, then by average pp of top 6 and average pp of top 8 players. This chart is sorted by average pp of top 6 players, however, with every measurement we used, we only got slightly different results, but we decided to be the top 6 of average pp to be the most accurate one for now to decide on tie cases like Greece and Spain.

http://puu.sh/kTxNI/785bc719c4.pdf

EDIT 2: Google Docs fucked up formulas. Fixed version: http://puu.sh/kTy7z/c26bbaf345.pdf
Unforgiven

Loctav wrote:

Spain slightly tied with Greece, but Greece provided better players in the average at the end. (based on who was a valid registree and did not violate the game rules)
Apart from some players that actually BROKE the rules, I think none of the players with better rank broke any rule apart from spamming Tillerino...
Edit: I think i wasn't clear enough, I mean the players that were actually going to play OWC and they were registered ( such as waaiiru, xelo ns, KHRiku, adrilolo9, Nazurin...) didnt break ANY since I've been playing this game.

Edit 2: Since when 5+2 = 6????????



This was the first OWC I could play, but I'm quite ashamed now. Looks like there's nothing we can do.
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