@Neo: I think you missed the part where html5 does not replace javascript.
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Sorry but I don't share source code for these kinds of projectsDon't worry about it, I totally understand.
Sounds interesting, I'll be willing to help if you need anything.
ITT people who don't understand one problem.
It is currently impossible to stream audio (without Flash) (1) with reliable offsets (using <audio>/<embed>/etc.) or (2) with a small buffer size (using Mozilla's API).
Currently, Flash is just a much better tool for this job.
But good luck.
It is currently impossible to stream audio (without Flash) (1) with reliable offsets (using <audio>/<embed>/etc.) or (2) with a small buffer size (using Mozilla's API).
Currently, Flash is just a much better tool for this job.
A C# XNA game structure will probably not fit with a JavaScript game structure. JavaScript and C# are fundamentally different languages and deserve very different program models. But I won't bother getting into that. If you can't provide a prototype, there's no point in you even seeing the source code to osu!. And honestly, I doubt you can get a prototype running.Clemaister wrote:
Of course, it'll be easier and faster if we had the source of osu! to have an idea more clear of structuring the program, but we know that a source is not a thing easy to give so...
But good luck.
I could only see the small fragments dealing with timings, scoring, etc. being relevant.
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WebGL seems like a better tool for the job than raster drawing to a canvas.
If you think this is going to be a good choice for low-spec machines, think again.
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WebGL seems like a better tool for the job than raster drawing to a canvas.
If you think this is going to be a good choice for low-spec machines, think again.
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It is currently impossible to stream audio (without Flash) (1) with reliable offsets (using <audio>/<embed>/etc.) or (2) with a small buffer size (using Mozilla's API).But Javascript could call a flash containing the audio.
I can't say I've tried myself, but audio sync seems relatively possible based on http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/
Yes; audio cues could work. That still doesn't let you sync hit sounds, though; they'll sound 100ms off, which would be horrible for streams.peppy wrote:
I can't say I've tried myself, but audio sync seems relatively possible based on http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/
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Please check Balldroppings, you'll see that's possible.strager wrote:
Yes; audio cues could work. That still doesn't let you sync hit sounds, though; they'll sound 100ms off, which would be horrible for streams.peppy wrote:
I can't say I've tried myself, but audio sync seems relatively possible based on http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/
mekadon_old
This, andMetalMario201 wrote:
If you think this is going to be a good choice for low-spec machines, think again.
It might be possible to change the offsets of the music and the hitsounds amirite?strager wrote:
Yes; audio cues could work. That still doesn't let you sync hit sounds, though; they'll sound 100ms off, which would be horrible for streams.
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Yeah I think it's possible, anyway it'll be ok for that.
That uses Flash.Clemaister wrote:
Please check Balldroppings, you'll see that's possible.
Yes it doesstrager wrote:
That uses Flash.Clemaister wrote:
Please check Balldroppings, you'll see that's possible.
Now, I can post on this forum, as Clemaister played a few beatmpa for me so as to "unlock" the forum
I think you can now have a look ther > http://osu.pictuga.tk/
Now it's kindda powerful !
What works right now?
HitCircles
CircleApproach
Combos (color + number)
Clic on HitCircles
What doesn't work ?
Music (that sucks I know)
Sliders
Spinners
Everything else lol
The link for more informations > http://www.pictuga.tk/fiche-311.html
What made you choose JS/canvas over AS3/Flash?
The wish to make something clean, cross-platform, lightweight, use new (open) standards...
And to show that flash isn't always required (except for music)
Btw the code will be open source (GPL3), server side included
And to show that flash isn't always required (except for music)
Btw the code will be open source (GPL3), server side included
I've seen your work, and for a week, I think it's good.
You've done it well at reading .osz files! I've compared with the song, and your work at translating data is excellent! Tip: if you're downloading constantly the latest file, don't do it. You'll be wasting bandwidth. Else, download and upload to your server the file, let's say, every day or week. Just in case...
About the hit circles, why don't you try to use the sprites instead of circle drawing? The same with numbers. I'll search how to make color blend in canvas. If it's not possible, I'll say you. Or, if you can make it server-side, try coloring sprites using plugins (GD or ImageMagick if you're using PHP) and return the colored sprites.
Now only I can add the following: keep it up!
You've done it well at reading .osz files! I've compared with the song, and your work at translating data is excellent! Tip: if you're downloading constantly the latest file, don't do it. You'll be wasting bandwidth. Else, download and upload to your server the file, let's say, every day or week. Just in case...
About the hit circles, why don't you try to use the sprites instead of circle drawing? The same with numbers. I'll search how to make color blend in canvas. If it's not possible, I'll say you. Or, if you can make it server-side, try coloring sprites using plugins (GD or ImageMagick if you're using PHP) and return the colored sprites.
Now only I can add the following: keep it up!
Neo Adonis wrote:
I've seen your work, and for a week, I think it's good.
Right now the latest osu file is downloaded each time (from the "Grab the latest osu" link on osu website). I already coded the part which reads osz files, but it's not in use right now. The problem is that our server is free and is very limited. Thus we can't leave files over 2-4Mb on the server. And osz files are often bigger (mp3 storyboard).Neo Adonis wrote:
You've done it well at reading .osz files! I've compared with the song, and your work at translating data is excellent! Tip: if you're downloading constantly the latest file, don't do it. You'll be wasting bandwidth. Else, download and upload to your server the file, let's say, every day or week. Just in case...
We already thought to put in place a cache system.
Therefor we will have to change to anothdr free server (I know a better one but it is often down).
Drawing circles is much faster than using imagesNeo Adonis wrote:
About the hit circles, why don't you try to use the sprites instead of circle drawing? The same with numbers. I'll search how to make color blend in canvas. If it's not possible, I'll say you. Or, if you can make it server-side, try coloring sprites using plugins (GD or ImageMagick if you're using PHP) and return the colored sprites.
And it's lightweight. For this kind of "secondary" problems, we will see later. Right now we have bigger problems (no sliders, no music, no use of dificulty parameters...)
Neo Adonis wrote:
Now only I can add the following: keep it up!
Your scaling is off; you aren't enforcing aspect ratio at all. Seems like a good start, I guess.
Fo now, we just use the full screen size
We changed to another (free) server. We now are using legtux.org's services. We no longer have that stupid file size limit This will help a lot.
In the meanwhile, we took a real domain name, quicker to remember.
http://www.osu-web.tk/
We changed to another (free) server. We now are using legtux.org's services. We no longer have that stupid file size limit
This will help a lot.In the meanwhile, we took a real domain name, quicker to remember.
http://www.osu-web.tk/
Wow cool project...
I hope you get a nice work there...
And I hope there is taiko T-T
It could have flash for chat, at the Right >>>, like Kongregate
I hope you get a nice work there...
And I hope there is taiko T-T
It could have flash for chat, at the Right >>>, like Kongregate
And i'm saying it's therefore horribly wrong.TheCameleon wrote:
Fo now, we just use the full screen size
There's much things missing.
the song.
sliders.
spinners.
and much more.
and more beatmaps.
but good job!
sry for my bad english.
the song.
sliders.
spinners.
and much more.
and more beatmaps.
but good job!
sry for my bad english.
You need to enforce the aspect ratio or it breaks spacing and patterns. All the squares in the map turn into fat rectangles lol
I also reccomend you make the circle sizes proportionate.
I also reccomend you make the circle sizes proportionate.
Wow... the ratio breaks all my size variables :/ I'll have to fix that !
Now, I will focus on the server side as my new server is much more flexible This might bring music to the game ! Please note that this include that music does require flash.
About beatmaps, right now it just takes the first one in the "ranked", and the first difficulty
Now, I will focus on the server side as my new server is much more flexible
This might bring music to the game ! Please note that this include that music does require flash.About beatmaps, right now it just takes the first one in the "ranked", and the first difficulty
Using flash is a bad direction. If you use flash for the music, you should use flash for everything, as it will handle better.
Flash is the only way to get the playing time If I could I wouldn't use it.
Edit : Now I'm working on the server part. It's the only way to get the music
First, you will only have a limited choice of beatmaps I'm still having issues, like that :
I'll work on JavaScript later. I'll focus on music (quite easy), then sliders (quite hard).
If I could I wouldn't use it.Edit : Now I'm working on the server part. It's the only way to get the music
First, you will only have a limited choice of beatmaps
I'm still having issues, like that :You are downloading too many maps at once. Lay off for a bit.This is what appends when trying to get osz files :/
I'll work on JavaScript later. I'll focus on music (quite easy), then sliders (quite hard).
Your best bet is to write a crawler like Bagno's to slowly copy the beatmaps over to your own server. You'll want to think about re-encoding the mp3s to something super-low-quality for the web.
Or do it by hand for the time being. =P
Or do it by hand for the time being. =P
Crawling is bad m'kay?
Just select a few beatmaps and copy them locally to your server (manually). Don't even attempt to allow any map to be played until you have the game in a working state. We can discuss hosting at that point.
Just select a few beatmaps and copy them locally to your server (manually). Don't even attempt to allow any map to be played until you have the game in a working state. We can discuss hosting at that point.
IppE
I'll download the latest beatmap (osz) through php once a day.
I will leave it as it on the server. And extract the mp3 on the server. I may extract osu files too.
That sounds good but it's just an idea. I still need to code it.
At the beginning I wont compress the mp3 file as one lonely mp3 isnt that big on a server. (but longer to load for the user) This might change later of course.
That part will be done quite soon as it's not very hard
I will leave it as it on the server. And extract the mp3 on the server. I may extract osu files too.
That sounds good but it's just an idea. I still need to code it.
At the beginning I wont compress the mp3 file as one lonely mp3 isnt that big on a server. (but longer to load for the user) This might change later of course.
That part will be done quite soon as it's not very hard
I've been trying to say this all along.peppy wrote:
Using flash is a bad direction. If you use flash for the music, you should use flash for everything, as it will handle better.
<audio> supports timing cues, IIRC, which may fit what you (think you) need.TheCameleon wrote:
Flash is the only way to get the playing time ;) If I could I wouldn't use it.
The main problem is that right now firefox's <audio> doesn't read mp3 (only ogg - which isn't much used in beatmpaps). And firefox is one of the main <canvas>-able browser. That wouldn't be nice to make users use Chrome only for that.strager wrote:
I've been trying to say this all along.peppy wrote:
Using flash is a bad direction. If you use flash for the music, you should use flash for everything, as it will handle better.<audio> supports timing cues, IIRC, which may fit what you (think you) need.TheCameleon wrote:
Flash is the only way to get the playing time
When firefox and the main browsers will be able to play mp3, <audio> will be usable. Btw, now most of the "games" (aka proof of concept) using <canvas> do use flash
So use ogg?
Can't convert from mp3 to ogg with php :/
Sure you can. Also, stop worrying about automatic conversion. Convert a single map and make the game work. Worry about conversion later.
Conversion would use command line tools (and function such as exec() or system()), which aren't available on free servers.
I prefer to use flash and mp3 at the beginning
I prefer to use flash and mp3 at the beginning
You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to listen to advice, not ignore it.
*stops following thread*
*stops following thread*
How about you abstract it enough so you can replace it when needed and so people can stop discussion shit which doesn't matter because this won't be finished anyway?
Well... Thanks a lot for your help !
I won't say anything about any future updates here.
Thanks, those who were interested in this project I may DM you.
I won't say anything about any future updates here.
Thanks, those who were interested in this project
I may DM you.