newyams99 wrote:

Sorry about being late and delaying the process. Also wanted to apologize for leaving suddenly today.

Recheck - Inner Oni

01:21:247 - I'd like to re-mention this one. You're definitely correct when you say the sound is fainter than the others, but I don't think that's worth the awkward gap that breaks the whole pattern (imo) that you've created by omitting this hit, even more so at 03:35:201. Please take this into serious consideration. I have considered it and well, added k to two places

02:26:131 (27,28,29) - Change for consistency with 04:40:084 (27,28,29). If not, I think you should at least Ctrl + G 02:26:305 (28,29). oops, changed to k kdd like fourth kiai

04:18:631 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - If you could somehow end this pattern with a k, it would sound better imo to match the high pitched melody. It'll also help contrast the pitch change between 04:19:154 (10,11). Doesn't really matter tho. Something like this would sound better imo: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4709903 kept this, i think 04:19:154 (10) - is continuously to (11)

04:35:375 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - Also personally think something like this would match the melody better. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4710631 i think pattern like above is better for me

That's all Call me back~

newyams99 wrote:

Cool.

Bubbled!

Bubble #1

newyams99 wrote:

Cool.

Bubbled!

Bubble #1

1. 00:44:706 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21) -
2. 02:36:334 (39,40,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,1) -
3. 05:01:451 (17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,1) -
   Consider about these patterns again. these parts are so quiet relatively than other parts in this song, but these patterns are the HARDEST and MOST COMPLICATED in this diff. It's really dangerous. You should keep the simpler patterns than other parts 1/6s.
   I'd strongly recommend changing to simpler patters like d-d-kkkd-d-kkkd-d-kkkd-d-kkkd... . It works to solve this issue and fit to the sounds well.
   You love pp? don't worry, it gives higher SR!
   
   
   
4. 02:03:369 (37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49) - , 04:38:427 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19) -
   These patterns are also complicated, but fine because song is liven up. Don't have to change to the simpler pattern!

tasuke912 wrote:

Hi. No kds.

[ Inner Oni]

1. 00:44:706 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21) -
2. 02:36:334 (39,40,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,1) -
3. 05:01:451 (17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,1) -
   Consider about these patterns again. these parts are so quiet relatively than other parts in this song, but these patterns are the HARDEST and MOST COMPLICATED in this diff. It's really dangerous. You should keep the simpler patterns than other parts 1/6s.
   I'd strongly recommend changing to simpler patters like d-d-kkkd-d-kkkd-d-kkkd-d-kkkd... . It works to solve this issue and fit to the sounds well.
   You love pp? don't worry, it gives higher SR! demn u tasuke =.=
   
   
   oh i intentionally do make harder and some variety with 1/6. because i think if 1/6 patterns are only kkkd it will be bored :c
   
4. 02:03:369 (37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49) - , 04:38:427 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19) -
   These patterns are also complicated, but fine because song is liven up. Don't have to change to the simpler pattern! same as above. sorry i won't change 1/6 to repetitive or slightly simpler pattern because i don't like a lot of repetitive pattern :c

Nwolf wrote:

this should not be ranked yet as can be seen in taisuke's post, might as well pop the bubble since big changes should happen

tasuke912 wrote:

Don't have to make forcibly various pattern in such quiet parts. Did you understand why I said "you should keep the simple pattern" ?

Read my post again. I can't bubble it without solving a 1/6s issue.

Nwolf wrote:

good luck~ hi

Since you did not apply anything tasuke posted in the recheck I doubt you would care about some stuff but

00:11:392 - 00:11:741 - 00:12:090 - 00:12:439 - are all the same sound at a different pitch. Disturbing is that the 2nd and 3rd ones are 1/6 while the first one is 1/4 and the 4th is 1/2. Why is that? Seeing the rest of the map I doubt you really care about mapping 00:12:613 (1) - as a big don, so why is there no 1/6 for example? I don't think you should have 1/6 here at all anyway, seeing as later in the map you don't map 1/6 to this sound but rather to the drums. since i think 00:11:392 is not as strong as 00:11:741 sound so i doubt to put 1/6 here
also the reason for 00:12:613 (1) why i put 1/2 on there. it's too early to make it harder. so i suddenly focusing drum on 00:12:613

00:44:881 (3,4,5,6) - 00:45:230 (8,9,10,11) - as noted by tasuke these are questionable, though I wouldn't simplify their pattern - I would rather suggest 1/4 on these. Simply because the sound here is 1/8 starting on 00:44:968 - so it's wrongly snapped anyway (and yes mapping this as 1/8 is not an option). Louder streams such as 00:21:857 (11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19) - are FAR more simple as well so you might wanna consider that. i accepted tasuke's mod :/ but not entirely

01:24:561 (23) - 01:30:142 (48) - Remove these notes. They are both the only one 1/4 mapped in this spot even though there are way more similar sounds - 01:22:468 - 01:24:387 - to name a few examples. This will also make it possible to have a bigger difference to the next part i just want to tuck a bit of 1/4 pattern to remove boredom when play on this part (i guess) since only 1/2 is kinda bored

02:03:369 (37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49) - Here I would also suggest to restructure this. 02:03:369 (37,38,39) - There is no 1/6 OR 1/8 on this, neither is on 02:03:718 (42,43,44) - . The 1/6 sounds here are on 02:03:544 - 02:03:892 - and really, it should not be too hard to map the 1/6 to the correct sounds and still having it play... "well" (we know that's subjective). but i think they (02:03:369 - 02:03:718 - and 02:04:067 - are same like 00:44:881 - and other sound like this

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Above image shows following: 02:27:264 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - changing this to follow snare rhythm (d d k k d d k k d d k kdk) and starting the kddkddkdk rhythm 02:29:357 - here. Why is that? This song is build up in blocks of 8 bars, so it is possible to have changes every two bars! What you have is that 02:30:753 - only 1 bar before going to k ddd k ddd which feels weird. Having two bars of kddkddkdk prepares you better and sounds nicer! If you want more convincing: The kddkddkdk sound starts 02:29:357 - here anyway ah changed, i really confused with this part

02:36:509 (1,2,3,4) - 02:36:857 (6,7,8,9) - same as 00:44:881 (3,4,5,6) - 00:45:230 (8,9,10,11) - same

02:58:834 (32,33,34,35) - 02:59:183 (37,38,39,40) - ^

03:33:544 - 03:44:619 - maybe remove the 1/4 in this part like in the last calm part. It's not a must, it's fine. same as i mentioned. but in this part, it's slightly harder

04:12:613 - I know you are starting to follow the kick sound here, but you really should not, the kick sound does NOT change enough, it only adds 04:13:834 - a note here and some /later/. The melody you have followed stays more prominent so going from fast and rhythmically complex 1/4 to simple 1/1 is very anti-climatic and should be avoided. changed to 1/4

04:37:730 - is it necessary for the SV to go up this much here 0.0 I generally think the kiai could be generally 0.1 slower.i don't know, but these are looks really fit for the sound go up

05:01:625 (19,20,21,22) - 05:01:974 (24,25,26,27) - same as several spots before

05:03:195 - 05:14:009 - Another anti-climatic section. It starts dense and then goes into the 1/1 kat which - I admit - are quite loud. But then again the kicks are loud too! So maybe you could trade their densities - start off with 1/1 dons and add 1/2 in the kat section. i think it's the best choice, also its influence with the next part

05:24:474 (22) - my poor ears xDDD

hi thank you so much


wait don't you say hi at the beginning and good luck at the end

Nwolf wrote:

this should not be ranked yet as can be seen in taisuke's post, might as well pop the bubble since big changes should happen

tasuke912 wrote:

I can't bubble it without solving a 1/6s issue.

newyams99 wrote:

Nwolf wrote:

this should not be ranked yet as can be seen in taisuke's post, might as well pop the bubble since big changes should happen

tasuke912 wrote:

I can't bubble it without solving a 1/6s issue.

Sorry if I was being irresponsible by bubbling this. When I first saw the map, I definitely thought that the 1/6 is quite difficult and that it should be changed to something simpler, as tasuke suggested. However, I found that the stream patterns were appropriate and didn't need to be changed forcibly. I also partially felt that even if I did mention it I doubt Nishizumi would've changed it since looking at his replies, he denies quite a bit of things (not a bad thing ^-^); I suppose I should've said it anyways, so that's mb. As for the fact that the streams are overly difficult with how the 1/6 are used and are much more difficult than the first and third kiais, I had Nishizumi do tons of work on them. Before I modded this, I had him make those kiais way more difficult since it was so easy (mainly made up of triplets, a 1/1 break every three seconds or something) which was almost as easy as the easy non-kiai parts. After he put in the effort to make those two kiais more suitable, I thought that I could be more lenient with the 1/6 streams' difficulty level.
As I've gained experience in modding, I've noticed that flexibility is pretty important so I kinda applied it here too. Perhaps I pushed it by not saying anything to the 1/6, but that's also part of the learning process for me, as I'm quite new to seriously mapping in general (~8 months, if you can consider that "new") and to the role of being a BN.
Anyways, I'd like to apologize if my bubbling seemed hasty or unreasonable, but hopefully I've provided sufficient reasoning for it. *blame me* i'm sorry too, but i think that 1/6 with is (probably) slightly harder than you think guys. however, i've changed it all.

Also, Nishizumi:
01:21:509 (9,10) - Just thought that you could change one of these (or both) to a d since there's a pitch change and you've used quite a bit of ks in a row. (No kds plz xD) both are changed to d

tasuke912 wrote:

looks fine. 1/6s are still hard, but seems allowable.

Bubbled! #1

newyams99 wrote:

Thanks to Nwolf and tasuke for fixing this up further. That SR tho xD

The rest looks good to go, so I'll bubble it once again.

Bubbled!

#2

Good luck~

JUDYDANNY wrote:

Finally I come. If I suggested to same places, That sounded not the best. Plz reconsider.

Symbol meaning

　

1. >> Normal suggestion.
   Big text >> Strong suggestion.
   >> Questionable imo.
   >>> Needs to improve some. (Rhythm is not good , plays or sounds weird)
   No comment >>simple (you can notice easily: just hits on drums or simple beats) , or already explained on the other place.

[Oni]

1. Some Intentional variation needs more making a lower of frequency. Maybe 1/2 colors are too much variation. yea
   
   
   
2. 00:29:183 (25,26) - d ? going on before kdd’s seems more kind as flow. same as 00:34:416 (51,52,53) - . kay
   
3. 00:30:404 - d? Instrumental still need to keep tensinon. but i follow the vocals and it goes up
   
4. 00:40:171 - k? the ½ rhythm d-d-d seems not the best as usual flow. but the pitch on triplet is same at all
   
5. 02:54:125 - ^
   
   00:56:044 (14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - again, plz change more kat. Try to remove them{(14)~(20)} and listen again. Don sounds too over. e.g. ddk-d-kkd or kkk-d -kkd.
   03:09:997 (14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - ^ when i playback 50% they does same pitch on instrument
   
6. 01:11:392 - 　k? a little variated (same as 01:12:962 - )sounds better and plays too imo. now is better for me. also the music sounds faint
   
7. 03:25:433 (27,28) - dk? ^ ^
   
8. 02:10:782 - k? comparing with 02:04:939 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - , there’re too unbalanced the kat sound. Consider again to follow it more. that note sounds emphasis to low pitch
9. 02:10:346 - ^? ^
   
10. 02:13:137 - k seems better to build up.yap
    
11. 02:07:555 - ^ ^
    
12. 02:18:718 - ^ , similer as 02:10:782 - suggestion. ^
    
    02:21:160 (2,3,4) - , 02:22:555 (2,3,4) - kdk? for expression the gap what to follow. sorry i forgot to remap this part =.= remapped
    
13. 02:50:113 - change to d,02:51:334 (14,15) - dk , 02:53:078 (22,23) - dk?
    
    • Intentional kkkd (02:50:113 (8,9,10,11) - ) weird to me. too much k’s.
      (14,15) dk is avoiding to perfect matching before dkkd.
      (22,23) , ½ dk rhythm sounded….. better my opinion. kay :/
14. 02:57:439 (19,20) - dk? If you really hope to follow the Main part. now is better for me
    
    
    
    03:00:055 - again, more kkd plz, please compare with 1st( same as 00:47:671 (8,9,10) - ) . It seems not good intention. Making a consistent is the best to use ¼ colors for stability.
    e.g. 03:01:624 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - k-d-ddk-k-d>>> kkd-d-k-d-k ? added a bit
    
    
15. 03:53:079 (6,7,8) - ddk seems better for synthesizer and bass drum kick. the synth sounds high on first stream :/ so impossible to change to d i guess
    
16. 03:59:881 - k? synthesizer sounded little up. i know, but the pitch little up doesn't reinforce to put k for me :/
    
17. 04:05:462 - ^? ^
    
18. 04:11:044 - ^? ^
    
19. 04:22:206 - , 04:24:299 - , 04:32:671 - ^ ? ^
    
20. 04:07:555 - ,04:10:433 - , How about more 5-plots variation? plays better to me. yea, done

Nishizumi wrote:

[notice][Oni][list] 00:56:044 (14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - again, plz change more kat. Try to remove them{(14)~(20)} and listen again. Don sounds too over. e.g. ddk-d-kkd or kkk-d -kkd.
03:09:997 (14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - ^ when i playback 50% they does same pitch on instrument

Nishizumi wrote:

00:56:044 (14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - again, plz change more kat. Try to remove them{(14)~(20)} and listen again. Don sounds too over. e.g. ddk-d-kkd or kkk-d -kkd.
03:09:997 (14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - ^ when i playback 50% they does same pitch on instrument

JUDYDANNY wrote:

Nishizumi wrote:

[notice][Oni][list] 00:56:044 (14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - again, plz change more kat. Try to remove them{(14)~(20)} and listen again. Don sounds too over. e.g. ddk-d-kkd or kkk-d -kkd.
03:09:997 (14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - ^ when i playback 50% they does same pitch on instrument

Where do you compare with??? Dont look at short phrase.
03:05:636 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - intentional focus to follow the bass drums, and 03:09:997 (14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - d-ddd-d-ddd~~ seems Backsounds hits on tam purely , But sounds off there. from here to 03:10:869 - i follow the drums at all, i playback rate it to 50% they are sounds faint, even though on 03:10:171 is a little bit high but it doesnt dominant to change to k. also, they're same like the first before kiai time. so i'm sure to keeping this.

Why these are not simple on Instrumental...

If you follow the electronic, suggest to change kkd-k-ddd.

SKSalt wrote:

Help request from JUDY.

Nishizumi wrote:

00:56:044 (14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - again, plz change more kat. Try to remove them{(14)~(20)} and listen again. Don sounds too over. e.g. ddk-d-kkd or kkk-d -kkd.
03:09:997 (14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - ^ when i playback 50% they does same pitch on instrument

"playback" mean volume in game? aaa I mean this https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/bPnFxqm.png. If it's true, I think it's not good. It is your setting to the last and is different from the general setting. Various people play the Ranked map. So please think in general setting. Playback should be 100% when you consider pattern. I listened music in this part. I heard to the difference in sound definitely. you're wrong, pls open this url http://puu.sh/o0EU6/a7086057d3.jpg and see on corner right bottom, that's what i mean.

Anyway, If I make this part, it will be kkd k ddd. Same as JUDY. 1st, 00:56:044 (14,15) - is same electronic sounds in 00:55:520 (9,10,11,12) - . 2nd, 00:56:392 (17) - has a beginning vocal sound. 3rd, 00:56:567 (18,19,20) - keep ddd because it should put gap with 00:56:916 (21) - (kicksound) Also about 03:09:997 (14,15,16,17,18,19,20) - same as above. i don't want to follow as you said like *1st : follow the electronics. 2nd because of vocal sound, and 3rd because gap with (21) *< but i agree with 3rd x_x* it's not my mapping style to combine any sound to other sound like that. i follow the drums at all *only in the part* and (14 to 20) sounds faint, looks weird for me to put a k.

This map is fun. Good luck with the rank Nishizumi

Eiuh wrote:

fun fact: removing the 1/6 parts makes the star rating drop by 2 stars lol

not that that makes the map any less fun or well-made, grats

PatZar wrote:

cacad awkkaw