Yauxo wrote:

Rather (really) short mod. The thing is that this map is basically all streams which makes it really difficult to mod well (since theres either a) "Streams are subjective and okay" or b) "nazinazinazinazi2pixelnazinazi"). Im not the best person to judge endless streams, so I gotta pass on this one.

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■ Pretty damn sure that your offset is wrong. 5835 worked much better for me fixed

■ 01:09:960 (8,1) - I feel like these two stream should be connected, as there's no heavy beat happening (like there is on 01:09:885 (23) - and 01:10:185 (3) - ), as they didnt reach the 16 notes yet (like the previous ones) and as they dont have some sort of Kickslider to indicate an earlier jump (like the ones after this one)ok

no kd, good luck with your map.

Yauxo wrote:

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■ 00:26:160 (2) - Youve got a downbeat on a Sliderend here, which isnt all that good. Replacing this one with something like this (NC it too) would probably be better. You could also remove 00:26:310 (3) - and let the Slider start on its place instread. It didn't affect the rhythm and I really want to keep this pattern so no change. I believe the hitsounding can help me to solve this problem

1. no complain for the clap and whistle hitsound. seems ok for the set now
2. deathstream + spacing changes = RIP
3. 01:22:635 (1) - dat anchor for the slider LOL
4. 01:35:235 (2) - 289|193 to make the spacing more constant like the others
5. 02:01:035 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - well this is kinda confusing in editor mode LOL
6. 02:41:835 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - damn those spacing. consider about those spacing on these sliders
7. 02:44:535 (5) - finish
8. 02:46:635 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - welcome to descension to hell LOL
9. 03:03:435 (1,5) - (1) remove finish, (5) finish
10. 03:22:635 (1) - now this is pretty obvious. why did you set the hitsound into "default", not "custom"?
11. 03:41:835 (1) - ^
12. 04:08:235 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this... idk. it looks REALLY HARD ya know. the other one like this too
13. 04:39:435 - same thing about the default hitsound

-Hakurei- wrote:

[why hell? how about heaven D:?]

1. no complain for the clap and whistle hitsound. seems ok for the set now
2. deathstream + spacing changes = RIP
3. 01:22:635 (1) - dat anchor for the slider LOL Problem? lol
4. 01:35:235 (2) - 289|193 to make the spacing more constant like the others You're right
5. 02:01:035 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - well this is kinda confusing in editor mode LOL I think players can read the pattern in gameplay
6. 04:08:235 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this... idk. it looks REALLY HARD ya know. the other one like this too lol But I don't gonna change it

GL!

-Hakurei- wrote:

here we are. another ascension to heaven map. like really

[why hell? how about heaven D:?] [imo this is heaven, but I think other people don't think this is heaven ]

1. deathstream + spacing changes = RIP yeyyyyyyyyy
2. 02:41:835 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - damn those spacing. consider about those spacing on these sliders I think no problem here
3. 02:44:535 (5) - finish ok
4. 02:46:635 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - welcome to descension to hell LOL
   (∩・▽・∩)
5. 03:03:435 (1,5) - (1) remove finish, (5) finish ok

GL!

Ppuskalin wrote:

nevaeH ot noisnecsA

General

1. Uhmm you need to change combo colors , they dont match in anyway .w. maybe u randomly chose combo colors?
2. you should rename the diff to "Four Dimension" lol ~ maybe not
3. Add to tags : "collaboration"
4. Add uninherited timing points at 04:57:648 - and 04:58:923 -

Descension to Hell

1. For such a Hardcore map like this , the HP should be low , Your HP is way too high . its should be 4 or 5
2. 00:24:285 (4) - nc
3. 00:30:585 (5) - move left to x:190 for better blanket with 00:30:735 (6) -
4. 00:37:260 (2) - move down to y:50
5. 01:22:635 (1) - slider reaches my progress bar , move it down
6. 01:30:135 - use timing point to silent the slider ticks , they produce high and unnecessary sounds
7. 01:32:235 (1) - same for this slider and for the rest of sliders like this
8. 01:56:685 (3) - move it down , its out of screen or atleast out of MY screen
9. 04:08:235 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this is way too much ;w;
10. 04:18:435 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - are u serious

DeRandom Otaku wrote:

General

1. Uhmm you need to change combo colors , they dont match in anyway .w. maybe u randomly chose combo colors? changed
2. you should rename the diff to "Four Dimension" lol ~ maybe not this isn't my dream 4D, so no
3. Add to tags : "collaboration" ok
4. Add uninherited timing points at 04:57:648 - and 04:58:923 - I think it is unnecessary

Descension to Hell

1. For such a Hardcore map like this , the HP should be low , Your HP is way too high . its should be 4 or 5 Let me think about it, actually I use high HP just because it is stream

Sorry for shortish mod , i cant really point out much stuff cuz the map is really really hard for me ~ lol I think it is easy stream map

Good Luck!~

DeRandom Otaku wrote:

Descension to Hell

1. 00:24:285 (4) - nc The NC is not necessary since my nc pattern is that adding NC at every downbeat
2. 00:30:585 (5) - move left to x:190 for better blanket with 00:30:735 (6) - Alright
3. 00:37:260 (2) - move down to y:50 Fixed
4. 01:22:635 (1) - slider reaches my progress bar , move it down Fixed
5. 01:30:135 - use timing point to silent the slider ticks , they produce high and unnecessary sounds Fixed
6. 01:32:235 (1) - same for this slider and for the rest of sliders like this Fixed
7. 01:56:685 (3) - move it down , its out of screen or atleast out of MY screen Fixed
8. 04:08:235 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this is way too much ;w; Just same as before ;w;
9. 04:18:435 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - are u serious what?

estellia- wrote:

2016-06-25 14:54 estellia-: 00:25:035 (1) - to 00:43:110 (1) -
2016-06-25 14:54 estellia-: rhythm is very very hard to tap to
2016-06-25 14:55 -N a n a k o-: i see
2016-06-25 14:56 estellia-: stuff like 00:29:085 (2,3) - 00:30:360 (4,5,6) - 00:36:210 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - '

estellia- wrote:

2016-06-25 15:30 estellia-: 03:51:435 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this part is a bit hard to read because of the reverse sliders

estellia- wrote:

2016-06-25 15:38 estellia-: 04:09:435 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - is less intense than 04:08:835 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - , why is it more spaced?
2016-06-25 15:38 estellia-: 04:08:310 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this intensity i think is pretty nice though
2016-06-25 15:38 estellia-: but the next part doesn't deserve such high intensity
2016-06-25 15:40 -N a n a k o-: 2nd kiai is make by my partner
2016-06-25 15:40 estellia-: hm
2016-06-25 15:40 estellia-: ok then i'll post chatlog and let him recheck
2016-06-25 15:40 -N a n a k o-: ok thanks
2016-06-25 15:41 estellia-: 04:18:510 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - this part has pretty much the same intensity as 04:17:835 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - but its so much more exaggerated
2016-06-25 15:41 estellia-: it plays pretty badly like this imo
2016-06-25 15:41 estellia-: 04:19:110 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the massive change in distance from before is a little jarring, and so is the massive distance right after, suggesting making this more spaced
2016-06-25 15:42 estellia-: 04:27:435 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - similar issues with intensity from before, its pretty bad like this imo
2016-06-25 15:42 estellia-: because the spacing doesnt fit the music i feel like overmapping it just to make it hard is very unnecessary, especially when the map is already loaded with fast spaced streams

estellia- wrote:

2016-06-25 15:43 estellia-: 04:38:235 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - the 1/8th sliders are very very hard to land, because they're basically spaced streams that you have to hold in a very very small hit window (?)

-N a n a k o- wrote:

@Starforyou

04:09:435 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 試下將04:10:035 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 呢個pattern放前面, space stream放後面 Hmm我覺得而家依個pattern比較match個rhythm多d
04:28:635 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ^ 同上
04:17:835 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 同04:18:435 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - same spacing 我想同04:07:710 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 做個consistent既pattern
04:19:035 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 呢個位個Spacing可以大少少, 之後04:19:635 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - 呢到個Spacing可以漸進 我試過用漸進spacing黎map, 但係我都係覺個而家依個睇落最舒服orz

Cellina wrote:

ar9 with 8* map
you really have to increase ar

Kencho wrote:

[Descension to Hell]

1. AR9.5 or higher ok AR9.5
2. 00:53:835 (1) - DS 1.5x Done
3. 01:12:135 (5,3,4) - 避免overlap 執咗少少, 但點都好難唔overlap
4. 02:29:010 (6,16) - stack k
5. 02:42:435 (1,2,3,4) - like this

   274,25,162435,6,0,L|206:35,1,55,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
   240,352,162585,2,0,L|308:340,1,55,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
   452,200,162735,2,0,L|440:132,1,55,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
   62,177,162885,2,0,L|74:245,1,55,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:

   諗咗陣我都係想keep返, 因為我覺得我依家呢個pattern對於玩家嚟講會比較清晰啲同埋冇咁hell.
6. 02:43:035 (1,2) - 然後調整一下
7. 04:59:036 (1) - Should be ends on 05:06:954 - Done

Kencho wrote:

[Descension to Hell]

1. 01:22:635 (1) - 可以靚D https://imgur.com/a/54b1p fixed i guess
2. 01:47:085 (1) - ^ https://imgur.com/a/MPKZM fixed!
3. 04:11:460 (4,6) - ^ fixed
4. 04:28:560 (4,1) - ^ nah呢個應該唔使overlap..
5. 04:08:835 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - nerf a bit, use 1.0xDS, like this https://imgur.com/a/UsrHv 但係我覺得咁樣放會表達唔到個rhythm...
6. 04:28:035 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - ^ https://imgur.com/a/q4roO 呢個都係 ;w;

1. 01:02:535 (5,6,7) - With the amount of streams that occur before this it does seem unreasonable to end these on yellow ticks It makes the snapping really strict when players are going through all their stamina. Ending on the blue ticks would be much more player friendly. Same for other 1/8 sliders in the map too
   
2. 00:50:235 (1) - 00:50:685 (7) - 01:09:885 (7) - 02:11:085 (7) - 02:15:885 (7) - (and some other places). I feel like you could reflect the song more if you changed flow and/or increased spacing in places like these (where the music emphasises a piano note (the places where you put whistles). Like you did at 00:56:235 (1) - 00:57:435 (1) - 00:58:035 (1) - etc
   
3. 03:02:235 (1) - how about this rhythm? https://i.imgur.com/t01Y2pT.png Would be a lot more engaging to a player imo rather than just one slider

Kisses wrote:

1. 01:02:535 (5,6,7) - With the amount of streams that occur before this it does seem unreasonable to end these on yellow ticks It makes the snapping really strict when players are going through all their stamina. Ending on the blue ticks would be much more player friendly. Same for other 1/8 sliders in the map too
   I know your point but it is really weird to me when these kind of pattern don't end on yellow tick since it sounds like something get skipped, so I want to keep it if possible.
   
   
2. 00:50:235 (1) - 00:50:685 (7) - 01:09:885 (7) - 02:11:085 (7) - 02:15:885 (7) - (and some other places). I feel like you could reflect the song more if you changed flow and/or increased spacing in places like these (where the music emphasises a piano note (the places where you put whistles). Like you did at 00:56:235 (1) - 00:57:435 (1) - 00:58:035 (1) - etc
   I will fix it except 00:50:685 (7) - 01:09:885 (7) - because it will become very hard
   
   
3. 03:02:235 (1) - how about this rhythm? https://i.imgur.com/t01Y2pT.png Would be a lot more engaging to a player imo rather than just one slider
   It is a good idea but I would like to reject it since the music make me want to use a 1/8 slider stream to replace the two short 1/8 sliders and I don't want to do this for some reason.

Yuii- wrote:

song gets more intense = same spacing in streams
song gets more quiet = spacing in streams increases

basically the whole map

this is the '2018 illness'

also, missing hitsound 01:49:035 - unrankable (?

StarrStyx wrote:

small addition:
reason why the mod post is kinda short is becuz its modded during a meetup hence most stuff being discussed thru mouth rather than text

just bringing this up, nothing else

1. 00:44:235 - Bouyaaa mentioned that this was overdone, and it is comparing it to lets say the kiai 04:01:035 - . The kiai has loud and dominant piano going fast backed up by louder background orchestral sounds (it's probably the violin). To better represent the large gap in intensity between the sections, you can consider two things about the "overdone" section. Firstly it is major spacing adjustment, preferably a strong difference, rescaling the streams in the section by about 0.5x-0.7x. After that is applied you will have space to emphasize the actual intense piano measures like 00:52:635 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - , to which the current spacing seems reasonable if it were compared to the rest of the section being scaled to my proposal.
2. A second option is to reduce rhythmical density. Reducing both the density and spacing will truly make a difference. Of course there are many ways to do that, but the easiest way would be to keep one measure mapped like streams 00:45:435 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - for example this but then use 1/4 sliders and 1/4 reverse sliders for the subsequent measure which would end up being easier than the streams. https://i.imgur.com/nHn5k8B.jpg (check the rhythm) If you'd like, you can also mix up some 3 stacks or such to spice it up and make it intuitive, there are sounds worth being emphasized like that. By doing this you will avoid monotony.
3. The variation problem could be tied to intensity and could be fixed while adjusting all of these. So the issue is, there is no system of variation, you just simply slap a 1/4 reverse slider measure without a real change in music and no consistency with other measure/phrase choices of that patterning. For example 00:44:235 (1,2,3,4) - if you start like this, there are 3 things to be expected which are musically correct. Either 1 1 2 2 patterning (1 is 1/4 sliders, 2 is streams) 1 2 1 2, or 1 2 2 2. Neither of those variation theories (which follow music theory) are executed, 00:49:035 - if you were to make 1/4 sliders here instead it would be consistent 1 2 2 2 patterning. Or if within the 4 measures you have done it here 00:46:635 - or here 00:45:435 - it will turn out to be consistently varied if you repeated through it the other phrases in the section. 00:51:435 - The biggest offender would be this 1/4 reverse slider patterning put right in the 3rd measure not consistent with anything and not following any change in music.
4. Adding to this issue of variation, you could consider multiple variation choices in terms of rhythm like I suggested https://i.imgur.com/nHn5k8B.jpg. So generally by agreeing with me, what I would find as an ideally represented section scaled properly in relation to the kiais would be: 2 measures in one phrase to be varied as 1/4 sliders / reverse sliders and/or 3stack 5stack usage; the stream measures being majorly rescaled by like .5-.7x; Actually intense piano being represented with bigger spacing or harsher patterning for example these: 00:52:635 - 01:11:835 - in relation to the rescaled streams.
   
   
5. 02:05:835 - This section could also be rescaled in terms of rhythmic density and spacing. You actually started the section with a nice variation of the 3stacks that go through 2 measures, but right after them, without a change in music, you just chose to go yolo 15 seconds of stream? Firstly 15 seconds of stream is about the density of the final kiai, it has the same spacing except it also does more often stream jumps in this relatively calmer section. Personally this section to me sounds a bit more intense than the first one I was talking about, so I could let 0.7-0.8x scaling pass and a bit higher rhythmical density (like only doing 1st measures as 1/4 slider patterning instead of 2). Other than that, you're using stream jumps for really strong piano like 02:13:035 (1) - 02:15:435 (1) - and for 02:09:435 (1) - 02:10:635 (1) - really weaker notes too. You will be able to follow the song more properly by reserving the stream jumps only to those strongest piano notes while in the meanwhile less stream jumps mean less difficulty you will achieve better scaling relative to the harder sections.

Pachiru wrote:

The stream from 02:08:235 (1) - to 02:24:060 - is quite abused and might be painful. There is some matter in the song to make some creative things instead of just doing a 15 second stream. You could've make some spacing variations in the streams spacing depending on the song intensity in this part, but this point is subjective. About this I hate to make creative stream due to it really play sucks, but I can make it with different spacing if it is possible.

Forgot to mention this, but are you sure that this 03:02:235 (1,1) - is even passable? Cause it looks like not. This is extremely easy to play, I have no idea why people complain about it

-N a n a k o- wrote:

thats why I mostly map the stream consistent to make it play & feel good for me.

Sotarks wrote:

-N a n a k o- wrote:

thats why I mostly map the stream consistent to make it play & feel good for me.

According that you actually play this 8* deathstream map while being a 4k player ?_?