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this is going to be a heavy mod so don't be alarmed or overly defensive just because your map was qualified, i'll point out some small nazi things as well as issues I feel are major fundamental problems with the diffs so hopefully it will be helpful
no real complaints about AMETUER/INTERMEDIATE, other than why have 2 seperate difficulties when half of intermediate is litearl copy pasting from ametuer, you don't really need 2 diffs for the spread but hey more diffs more happy so its not really an issue just a note
just going to focus on your diffs in this mod because it is long enough as is
overall, on top of everything i've mentioned in this mod, i still think this mapset needs a lot of work before ranking
things seem unpolished, unclean, the flow is questionable at best and you'll find from anyone who play tests this (as i've asked several of my friends AND can play the map myself) that is feels quite uncomfortable in its current state
trying to help with the mapset before it gets qualified again as not to mod a qualified map, good luck with your set and please take everything i've said into consideration instead of just dismissing it
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this is going to be a heavy mod so don't be alarmed or overly defensive just because your map was qualified, i'll point out some small nazi things as well as issues I feel are major fundamental problems with the diffs so hopefully it will be helpful
BEGINNER
- 01:13:203 (4,1) - blanket, be sure to fix the positioning of 01:16:631 (3) - when you fix this
- 01:29:203 (2,3) - i could see this flow being a bit confusing to the new player because the target audience of this map (seeing as its like -1 stars) has a hard time distinguishing between slider heads/slider ends but there might be so much time in between the beats which might make this misleading flow not really matter: your thoughts? it's easy enough to fix the pattern to be as non confusing as possible, besides: 01:28:060 (1,2,3) - isn't even and you're going for the whole parallel thing so its off anyways, and the flow of the pattern itself really isn't all that great to begin with
BASIC
- 00:19:488 (3,4,1,2,3) - your grid here gets messed up because 00:20:345 (4,1,2) - is not straight
- 00:28:345 (2,3) - blanket
- 00:32:060 (1,2) - blanket (top left side)
- 00:41:203 (1) - DS, it's not for emphasis cause you don't do it anywhere else in the map so please don't say that
- 01:14:345 (1,2) - why are the curve of these two sliders different? ctrl g the first one twice to snap the slider tick to make them the same shaping, that's a good tool for making your sliders even easily
- 01:31:488 (2,3,4) - pretty small complaint but this would look a lot better if the angle of 01:32:060 (3,4) - was the same angle as 01:31:488 (2) - which it currently is not
- 01:56:631 (1,1,2) - wouldn't putting the circle on the other end look a lot better so that it doesn't have the weird not blanket interaction with 01:56:631 (1) - ? like this
NOVICE
- so taking a look at this spread of diffs, there is clickable 1/2 in your Normal at 210 bpm? this spread is so confusing, you go from bare minimum 1/1 rhythm to 1/1 spam to near constant 1/2? how can a spread with this many diffs do such a poor job of actually functioning like a spread is supposed to, this map is an UNDERWEIGHTED 2 stars which is the first time i've ever seen that to be honest
- you can try to tell me this isn't a Normal, but what the hell else is it supposed to be? your spread how i see it is Beginner ---> Easy ---> Normal ----> Advanced ----> Hard -----> Hyper for the first 6 diffs
- however, even if you don't want to get caught up on the specifics of whether this is a normal or advanced or whatever, the issue here is the spread + difficulty of this map relative to its place in the spread and its intended target audience
- other than this glaring issue here are some blankets and other issues
- 00:25:203 (1,3) - blanket
- 00:27:488 (1,2) + 00:29:774 (1,2) - blanket
- 00:37:631 (3) - DS???? breaking DS here makes this rhythm even more confusing for the player
- 00:45:774 (1,3) - blanket
- 01:18:917 (1) - since theres a 2/1 gap here it doesn't matter as much but i'm going to point out the DS anyways becasue you don't have any consistent special emphasis on this same sound when 01:23:488 (1) - comes so it is inconsistent to break DS here even if it is for your pattern
- 01:24:060 (2,3) - blanket
- 01:47:487 (4,1) - ????????????????? same spacing 1/2 as 1/1 in a low diff.... this is NOT a subjective complaint this is literally unreadable for the new player, ESPECIALLY considering that its a stack too which makes these twice as hard
- 01:49:202 (4,1) - ^
- 01:50:916 (4,1) - ^
- 01:52:630 (4,1) - okay so i don't really care if you don't fix the blankets cause of pride, or you don't agree with my distance snap complaints because they're relatively minute, but if you take ONE thing from this mod PLEASE change these just to be distance snapped, this is literally unreadable for the new player and by the time new players would be able to read this, they'd be playing hards, this flow is difficult for even a hard difficulty
- the ds is kind of fucked at the end but it makes sense for the slider art or whatever so doesn't really matter too much
no real complaints about AMETUER/INTERMEDIATE, other than why have 2 seperate difficulties when half of intermediate is litearl copy pasting from ametuer, you don't really need 2 diffs for the spread but hey more diffs more happy so its not really an issue just a note
ADVANCED
- 00:10:345 - okay so this is kind of a general point, but what exactly are you doing with the rhythm varience from here to 00:27:345 - ? its the same rhythm the whole time but every single bar you use a new rhythm for it with seemingly no pattern or logic that i can see: just looking for an explanation to the logic behind it because both the rhythm and the objects used to convey the rhythm change on a bar by bar basis
- 00:50:345 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - isn't this a pretty massive difficulty spike from the last diff, even taking the map on its own this is a huge spike and probably the hardest thing in the whole map, how did we go from triples last diff to an 8 note 1/4 slider rhythm when there wasn't even 1/4 sliders before this point in any of the difficulties, including this one, to me this just isn't fairly introduced in both the spread and this map on its own
- 01:00:917 - there is a bunch of rhythms going on here and it just kind of seems lazy to me that you follow a simple 1/1 clicking rhythm with no complexity for 10 seconds in an uninteresting unchanging pattern: i can understand why but if you're using patterns like 00:50:345 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - and then oversimplifying to this degree it's pretty ridiculous and bores the player to tears
- 01:35:774 - you just don't follow the song here at all and make your own rhythm which i cannot discern, the beat that is the most important isn't clickable 01:36:060 - and the 1/2 spam just doesn't really follow the song, there should be 2 1/3 sliders as there is 6 1/3 notes prominent in the songs melody, here's an example of a better rhythm you could use that fits the song a lot closer
EXHAUST
- 00:23:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - what kind of shape are you trying to make here? 00:24:345 (6) - is uneven with it, as well as it doesn't make a straight line with 00:24:345 (6,7,8) - which kind of breaks your heavily structured aesthetic + consistency
- here the kick slider pattern is fitting because it is well introduced before it happens in the map
i like this diff
INFINITE
- 00:16:917 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - this is where i begin to not understand your intention behind flow: flow like this is both incredibly uncomfortable to play and aesthetically unpleasing: let me explain exactly why through paint because i already know there is a lot of this flow coming up in the top difficulty so it would be best to get this explanation out now
- here is your current pattern and how it flows: the pink line is the cursor movement and the red X's are where the player needs to stop to snap to reach the next note
- now, you may notice that there is a snap from 1 to 2 in the stream: this is because the angle is so uncomfortable that the player needs to physically snap to start the stream, which is super awkward feeling and all around isn't a good feeling unless it is emphasizing something in the music which to my ears, it is not
- as for a solution, here is an example of a much friendlier flow you could use to avoid this disconnect, ESPECIALLY at this bpm the kind of flow you are using is both uncomfortable and seemingly random: here's the kind of flow that is a lot more comfortable and just feels a TON better for the player to play,
with no snap to the first object of the stream needed like in the current flow because it follows the same circular motion as the jump - however, if your intended flow was to have a SHARP transition to the stream, theres another way to do that without uncomfortable flow! if that was your intention, here is a much more suitable option looks + flows a lot better, while still keeping the "punchy" flow you might have been looking for
- 00:32:631 (2,4) - still unrankably overlapped, it is easier to check this if you NC the 4 temporarily to see that it is already faded in while the 2 is ended, just move one of them a pixel for rankability
- 00:52:917 - making this note a 1/2 slider would both improve the flow to the player by removing the awkward gap in the rhythm by having this huge space here, and also fit the song better as there is a faint note at 00:53:060 - that is other wise ignored: the song sounds too busy to just leave this 1/1 gap here and it doesn't really provide you with any special emphasis imo
- 00:54:917 (1,2,3) - blanket, just pointing it out cause it's obvious due to the pattern
- 01:32:203 (5,6,7,8,9,1) - this flow is also quite uncomfortable for the player, the snap from 01:32:488 (9,1) - is such a weird angle and doesn't match either the flow of 1's slider body or the circular flow the map has been following up to this point
- 01:41:203 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - can you buff this spacing so it's not so much like the 1/4 spacing? very very easy to misread for seemingly no reason
- 01:45:203 - it's super weird that you just stop mapping these notes here
just going to focus on your diffs in this mod because it is long enough as is
HAVOC
- usually i'm all for lower AR, but it seems kinda weird that this diff is ar 9.5 at 210 bpm with 1/3 vs 1/4 reading and dense rhythm, just a point
- 00:29:631 (8,1,2) - motions like this are not sharp enough to avoid being too linear like 00:26:917 (1,2,3,4) - does: since this motion is so so linear its very uncomfortable for the player to play, especially at this high of BPM: the patterning is both uncomfortable and lacks any sort of real emphasis to distinguish any of the 3 notes as well, which are all vastly different sounds and should be emphasized as such
- 00:32:060 (1,2,3) - what is this slider flow trying to do? the flow the player is following is the opposite of the direction of the slider, this would be 10000x more comfortable then what is currently there
- 00:36:560 (1) - this note does not exist: i understand what you're trying to do with the "woooosh" sound that comes but it simply just isn't there, maybe this overmapping is okay because of the sound? thats up to you and the BNs but this note clearly is not there and giving it a circle which means it is an acc judged object and is supposed to be tangible seems unfair to the player
- 00:53:916 (1,2,3) - this linear flow is incredibly uncomfortable coming out of two curved streams , making the angles more sharp is the solution, even if you just slightly changed the placement of 3 it would be a nominal improvement, here is an example of how it could look if the angles were just sharper
- 00:55:488 - why simplify the rhythm here? its a 7 star map what is the harm in following the song to its maximum potential when this is an intense segment and is practically begging for interesting rhythms
- 01:19:774 (6,1) - why break circular flow in this awkward way here? it would be better if the slider was more angled, you use this 45 degree aesthetic all over the place so it wouldnt really be unfitting, i rotated it by 40 degrees in this screenshot, something like this strictly flow wise would be a big improvement but i honestly think the pattern itself is kind of inherently flawed so make of that what you will
- 01:22:917 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - the flaw in the flow with this 1/3 stream lies in the transition between 01:23:107 (3,4) - the linear movement makes it super uncomfortable for the player, having some more snap between the 2 parts of the stream would make it flow a TON better then it does rn, right now it just feels poorly handled/executed especially while playing
- 01:24:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this is an example of a much better 1/3 pattern because the snap between 01:24:821 (3,4) - is a lot more defined and clearer
- 01:37:203 - why is the note not a 1/2 slider here like all the other times? if you want this note to have extra emphasis, making it a circle instead of a 1/2 slider does the exact opposite, you could space the last note apart from the stream and make it a slider if you wanted it to have more emphasis?
overall, on top of everything i've mentioned in this mod, i still think this mapset needs a lot of work before ranking
things seem unpolished, unclean, the flow is questionable at best and you'll find from anyone who play tests this (as i've asked several of my friends AND can play the map myself) that is feels quite uncomfortable in its current state
trying to help with the mapset before it gets qualified again as not to mod a qualified map, good luck with your set and please take everything i've said into consideration instead of just dismissing it