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Stjpa

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Joined July 2013

Stjpa 2016-09-07T15:15:34+00:00

I highly suggest you to change the last diffname + the lemur background, else I'll bubble pop the set later.

Kawashiro

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Joined April 2012

Kawashiro 2016-09-07T15:17:32+00:00

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

너구리 사냥이 또....

Enon

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Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Enon 2016-09-07T15:29:38+00:00

Stjpa wrote:
I highly suggest you to change the last diffname + the lemur background, else I'll bubble pop the set later.

Would you give bubble if I delete those lemur things?

+

lemur things may not related to the song though, Its harmonize with the song and expressing feeling of the song through awesome sb.

I think its kinda concept like nico nico douga mad movies.

so, it will be fine. I hope so.

I just hope people understand this concept.

Stjpa

886 posts

Joined July 2013

Stjpa 2016-09-07T18:05:28+00:00

First of all, I have no interests at all to give this map a nomination. This map got posted on a discord server, else I wouldn't have noticed it until the qualification.

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How does it harmonize with the song? Stop trying to find excuses to keep it, that's just a meme and you proved this by sending me that lemur .gif ingame. It's not really a concept after all, and I don't care about nico nico douga, this is osu where only serious things should be in the ranked section. Just face the fact that there are some nominators who care about the ranked section now, and there are enough nominators who agree that memes aren't supposed to be there.

Just change it, you can put everything with an external .osz in the maps description. You will definitely not go through with this.

Len

2,812 posts

Joined June 2012

Len 2016-09-07T18:20:23+00:00

~~for me its fine tho cuz why not~~
talk'd with enon

Last edited by Len 2016-09-08T17:48:09+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Yuii-

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Joined July 2013

Yuii- 2016-09-07T18:23:45+00:00

Civil War

Beige

Elite Mapper

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Beige 2016-09-07T18:27:26+00:00

Len wrote:
for me its fine tho cuz why not

and don't blame lemurs.

Nozhomi

Global Moderator

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Joined May 2013

Nozhomi 2016-09-07T18:50:35+00:00

Len wrote:
cuz why not

Best reason ever lo

Len

2,812 posts

Joined June 2012

Len 2016-09-07T18:59:25+00:00

change lemur to other 2d girl is more fit imo!

Irreversible

osu! Alumni

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Joined December 2011

Irreversible 2016-09-07T19:00:04+00:00

Let's bring this to an end before everything escalates again.

You stated yourself that this song doesn't really have anything in common with lemurs - so it would be easier for everyone to simply change it and find a background / topic that actually fits. I suggest understanding the lyrics and find a topic in them, I'm sure you will be able to find something.

Len - "cuz why not" is probably something of the most stupid things I've ever heard from a BN. I'm highly advising you not to behave like that, the reason should be pretty obvious.

tl;dr: Change the background and find a suitable topic, otherwise this won't get ranked.

Len

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Joined June 2012

Len 2016-09-07T19:13:48+00:00

yes you are right.

the problem is he or they want to keep lemur in sb. imo, change to other img which is fit on this music is better than now.
i will talk with enon and jieusieu about storyboard before it got bubble or mods

change lemur to other 2d girl is more fit imo!

Enon

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Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Enon 2016-09-08T04:24:17+00:00

Then what about other maps? Like GFRIEND song recently ranked. It's using anime background image even it doesn't have any relation with it

Bonsai

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Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-09-08T11:31:11+00:00

Enon wrote:
Then what about other maps?

Don't use other maps to justify your own. It is impossible to ensure the exact same standard in every aspect for all maps as nobody can be expected to look at all maps themselves, and especially when there are no thoroughly regulated rules about something, treatment of particular cases might differ. If you stumble upon more cases like GFRIEND's, feel free to start discussion on it. In this case, several BNs have criticized this issue and a QAT has confirmed it to be unrankable. Deal with it and take your memes elsewhere.

Doyak

osu! Alumni

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Joined November 2012

Doyak 2016-09-08T12:19:31+00:00

개인적인 소견을 말씀드리자면 저는 랭크맵은 좀 더 진지해야져야 된다고 생각합니다. 말씀하신 것처럼 기존 랭크맵 중에도 노래와 일절 무관한 배경이나 난이도명을 사용하는 것들이 많은데 그런 것들이 존재한다고 해서 그렇게 해도 된다는 뜻이 아니고 그게 더 좋다는 이야기도 아닙니다. 가능하면 하지 말아야 할 것은 하지 않는 게 맞습니다. 그렇게 하고도 랭크에 성공한 다른 맵들이 마치 '하나 해낸' 승리자인 것처럼 생각하지 마세요. 큰 그림으로 봤을 때 커뮤니티에 해가 될 일을 한 것이 일시적으로 주목을 좀 더 끈다고 해서 잘한 게 아닙니다.

Kawashiro

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Joined April 2012

Kawashiro 2016-09-08T12:29:59+00:00

그냥 배경이랑 스토리보드 갈아엎자....^^

HelloSCV

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Joined April 2011

HelloSCV 2016-09-08T13:21:17+00:00

모든 상황에 대해 공평해야하는 법조차도 판례를 따져서 재판 결과가 바뀌는데 해당 맵 SB가 NSFW를 아슬아슬하게 위반하지 않는 것도 아니고 단순히 어울리지 않는다해서랭크를 막는다구요? 저는 그거는 좀 아니라고 생각하는데요, 모든 맵은 랭킹 크리테리아를 벗어나지 않는 이상 랭크 가능성을 내포하고있고 또한 룰을 벗어나지 않는선에서의 창의성은 용인되는 편입니다. 배경이나 SB등 이미지 파일들이 아무래도 맵이나 노래의 첫인상또는 느낌을 결정해준다고는 하지만 그 이미지를 뭐로 쓸지는 순수히 매퍼 본인에게 맡겨야하는 것이 아닌가요? 현재 일부 BN이나 QAT들의 처사는 부당하다고 밖에 볼수가 없네요. 이전에 지난 맵들은 어쩔수 없다는식으로 말씀하셨는데 그건 해당 팀이 언급하시고있는 이러한 문제가 발생할수 있는 가능성을 별로 중요치 않게 여기셔 넘기신건 아닌가요?

배경이나 SB에 관한 것은 랭킹 크리테리아를 벗어나지 않는 이상 매퍼의 자유의지로 수정이 돼야한다고 생각합니다. 이러한 강압적인 분위기 말구요. 특정 배경이나 SB, 스킨을 썼을때 발생하는 불이익(평점 테러같은 경우가 있겠군요)같은 경우에는 매퍼 본인의 책임으로 돌아가니 충분히 부여 가능한 자유라고 생각합니다. 아니면 애초에 이러한 논란이 없도록 이전 맵들도 관리가 들어가는 것이 모두에게 공평하다고 생각되네요

제 의견의 결론은 모딩으로 충분히 제안가능한 사안이되 고칠지 말지는 다른 "모딩"들 처럼 매퍼 자유라는 것입니다

Last edited by HelloSCV 2016-09-08T14:03:34+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

K i A i

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K i A i 2016-09-08T13:31:02+00:00

여기서 우리가 한 가지 생각해봐야 할 점은, 과연 각기 요소들과 곡이 서로 연관성이 맞지 않는 맵들이 랭크된 것이 단지 옛날 일인지, 아니면 지금도 계속 일어나고 있는 일인지에 대해 생각해볼 필요가 있지 않을까 합니다.
직설적으로 표현하자면, 오스는 오타쿠 게임이기 때문에 오히려 주목을 더 받으려면 이런 bg보다 오덕들 기준으로 귀엽고 예쁘게 나온 애니메이션 일러스트를 사용하는 것이 훨씬 더 좋을것입니다.
지금도 곡과 관련 없는 애니메이션 일러스트들이 수없이 많은 애니메이션 비트맵 사이에서 자연스럽게 랭크가 되고 있습니다만.. 그런것에 대한 제대로 된 규제는 이루어지지 않는 지금 이 시점에서 이런 맵만 가지고 문제거리를 삼는 것은 여러가지로 꽤나 모순적인 부분이 아니라고 할 수는 없다고 생각이 되네요 ㅎ.ㅎ

Beomsan

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Joined November 2013

Beomsan 2016-09-08T13:34:40+00:00

yu sud chaNge lemoor to ather bLg head grils.

Reol

998 posts

Joined September 2012

Reol 2016-09-08T13:34:42+00:00

Doyak wrote:
그렇게 하고도 랭크에 성공한 다른 맵들이 마치 '하나 해낸' 승리자인 것처럼 생각하지 마세요. 큰 그림으로 봤을 때 커뮤니티에 해가 될 일을 한 것이 일시적으로 주목을 좀 더 끈다고 해서 잘한 게 아닙니다.

이 문장은 지우는게 나을 것 같은데요.
앞은 분명 충고로 받아들일수 있고, 그런 의도로 볼 수 있지만 이 뒤는 누구도 그렇게 생각한다고 말한 적도 없을 뿐더러 도약님의 지나친 비약인 것 같네요.
실제로 에논님이 '내가 이 sb를 유지한다면 모두가 날 승리자로 봐줄거야' 라는 의견을 표출 한 것도 아니고, 그런 의향도 없어보이며, 단순히 정말로 궁금해서 '다른 맵들은 어떠냐?' 라고 물은걸로 밖에 보이지 않습니다.

이 문장 하나로 상당히 맵셋 주인분의 혹은 sb제작자분의 기분이 상할수도 있다는걸 알아주셨으면 좋겠네요.

Akiyama Mizuki

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Joined March 2009

Akiyama Mizuki 2016-09-08T13:35:12+00:00

UnLock- wrote:
[bb]
00:04:977 - 명백히 소리가 들어있는데 공백으로 두는것도 이상하게 느껴지네요. 앞의 00:03:977 (5,6,7,8,9) - 이 패턴들의 템포를 생각해보면 채우는 편이 더 자연스러울 것 같습니다 - 드럼강조
00:13:102 - ^ - ^
01:02:602 (1) - 조금 더 늘려서 01:03:102 - 여기서 끝내는게 어떤가요? 기타음도 여기서 끝납니다 - ㅇㅋ
01:03:102 - 여기 inherited point는 불필요하지 않은가요? - 지움

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K i A i

662 posts

Joined March 2011

K i A i 2016-09-08T13:57:42+00:00

영어는 못하지만 쓰레기같은 문장을 써서라도 외국 븡들한테 말해본다

There is too many ranked maps, which has separate backgrounds.
And these maps are being ranked even now. This is not an old tale.
If you wanna insist about correlation bg to song, YOU JUST FOCUS ON OTHER MAP WHICH BEING RANKED AT THIS VERY MOMENT INSTEAD OF THIS MAP.

Don't display your persistence to no purpose on anywhere

And from the first time this map was pointed out, drama would be not happend if this map were observed, and the mapper was reasoned wholeheartedly instead of notice.
Plz, don't make drama you troublemakers

Last edited by K i A i 2016-09-08T14:02:19+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Doyak

osu! Alumni

2,621 posts

Joined November 2012

Doyak 2016-09-08T14:00:32+00:00

일단 표현을 좀 과격하게 한 것은 사과드리겠습니다. '승리자'라는 표현을 쓴 것은 노래에 어울리지 않는 BG를 쓴 것을 논란을 뚫고 랭크시키는 것이 마치 뭔가 해낸 것처럼 취급되어서는 안 된다는 뜻에서 한 말이었는데, 확실히 매퍼와 스토리보더 분께 실례가 되는 의미로 받아들여질 수 있었겠네요. 죄송합니다.

다른 의견들도 감사드립니다. BG를 어디까지 허용해야 하는가는 좀 논란거리이기는 한데, 어울리지 않아도 매퍼의 자유의지로 랭크시킬 수 있어야 한다는 건 조금 지나친 생각이라고 봅니다. RC에 적혀있지 않다고 해서 무조건 괜찮은 것이다라는 의미도 아니며, 경우에 맞춰서 생각을 해야 할 부분입니다. 아무리 오스에서 매퍼의 취향을 우선적으로 존중해준다고 하더라도, 랭크를 시킨다는 것은 오스의 공식 비트맵이 되는 일입니다. 공식이기 때문에 RC라는 기준도 있는 거고, 매퍼가 따라줘야 할 것들도 있는 거죠. 저는 BG가 노래와 연관성이 있어야 한다-라는 것은 꽤 중요한 부분이라고 생각합니다.

그리고 다들 아시다시피 지금 랭크되고 있는 맵들은 관리가 매우 허술합니다. 그건 맞습니다. 그런데 제가 아까 글에서 이야기하고 싶었던 게 그런 이야기입니다. 다른 것들에 대한 제제가 허술하다고 해서 이 맵도 허용해주는 게 "형평성에 어긋나는 일"인 것이 아니라 "제대로 지켜야 할 것을 지키게 하는" 의도라는 거죠. 기본적으로 허용하지 말아야 할 것이 허용되고 있는데 그러니 이 맵에서도 허용하자고 하는 건 문제점을 알고서도 그대로 이용하자는 게 됩니다. 물론 이건 "어울리지 않는 BG는 랭크되지 말아야 한다"는 걸 전제로 한 이야기입니다.

저는 매퍼에게 강압적으로 지금 BG를 가져다 버리자고 이야기하는 것이 아닌, 보다 랭크맵에 어울리는 '좋은 랭크맵'이 되도록 수정을 요구하는 것입니다. 이 점은 이해를 해주셨으면 합니다.

Enon

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Enon 2016-09-08T14:27:51+00:00

ㅋㅋ 오신 김에 모딩들이나 해주셈~~

Spaghetti

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Spaghetti 2016-09-08T14:29:38+00:00

just so u guys know monstrata got flamed by loctav for qualifying no title with lemur bg

take that as u will

Kawashiro

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Kawashiro 2016-09-08T14:32:40+00:00

Doyak wrote:
저는 BG가 노래와 연관성이 있어야 한다-라는 것은 꽤 중요한 부분이라고 생각합니다.

저는 매퍼에게 강압적으로 지금 BG를 가져다 버리자고 이야기하는 것이 아닌, 보다 랭크맵에 어울리는 '좋은 랭크맵'이 되도록 수정을 요구하는 것입니다. 이 점은 이해를 해주셨으면 합니다.

그럼 어떤 BG로 바꾸면 적절하다고 생각하십니까??

이 점에 대해서 제대로 설명하지도 않으시고 "이 배경은 어울리지 않다"라고 말하는 것은 억지라고 생각합니다.

제 생각이지만 애초에 "어울린다"는 개념 자체는 매우 주관적인 것입니다. 그나마 따지자면 연관성은 없다고 할 수 있죠.

그럼 이 보컬로이드 오리지널 곡에서 "연관성"을 지닌 배경이라 함은 어떤게 있을까요?? 저는 그냥 하츠네 미쿠만 들어가있으면 뭐든 문제 없을거라고 봅니다.

저는 비트맵의 배경이 이렇게 큰 걸림돌이 된다는것 자체가 문제라고 봅니다. 물론 너무 퀄리티가 낮은 배경이미지는 문제가 될 수 있지만 지금의 너구리는 나름대로 귀엽고 수준높은 그림이라고 생각됩니다. 그리고 저는 애초에 배경 선정도 좋은 비트맵을 만드는 하나의 요소라고 봅니다.

지금의 SB와 BG는 너구리를 활용하긴 했지만 나름대로 퀄리티도 높고 노래와 어울린다고 생각되네요.

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Doyak

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Doyak 2016-09-08T14:47:58+00:00

제가 노래를 들어보거나 소스가 뭔지는 잘 모르기 때문에 어떤 걸 써야 된다라고까지는 말씀드리지 못하겠습니다. 저는 지금의 케이스 하나를 이야기하는 게 아니라 랭크시킬 BG들에 대해 우리가 가져야 될 보다 일반적인 시각이 무엇인가를 이야기한 거고요. 여기서 이 노래와 연관이 있을 만한 소재의 BG가 전혀 없다고 한다면 지금의 배경을 쓰는 것도 고려해볼 수 있겠지만, 지금까지 오간 토론을 보면 그런 이유는 없이 "다른 랭크맵들도 연관 없는 BG를 쓰는데 이건 왜 안 되느냐"는 방향으로 흘러가고 있어서 적어본 겁니다. 다시 이야기하지만 보컬로이드 오리지널곡 같은 건 엇비슷한 걸로 허용해줄 수 있는 범위가 많다고 해서 "형평성이 없는" 게 아닙니다. 그 노래와 연관이 되는 한에서 가능한 좋은 배경을 찾는 것이 중요할 뿐이지, 다른 맵들이 이렇다 저렇다 하고 비교를 하는 건 절대 합리화의 이유가 될 수는 없습니다.

다른 대체할 만한 BG가 전혀 없다면 그 사용에 대해 나름의 이유를 대고 의논해볼 수 있겠지만, 지금은 그걸 못해서 그러는 것이 아닌 이 Lemur이라는 일종의 밈을 이용한 것 이외엔 이 BG를 쓸 이유가 없어 보입니다. 정말 다른 BG는 쓸만한 게 없는 경우인 건가요?

UnLock- wrote:
물론 너무 퀄리티가 낮은 배경이미지는 문제가 될 수 있지만 지금의 너구리는 나름대로 귀엽고 수준높은 그림이라고 생각됩니다. 그리고 저는 애초에 배경 선정도 좋은 비트맵을 만드는 하나의 요소라고 봅니다.

그 '배경 선정'이 좋은 비트맵을 만드는 하나의 요소이기 때문에 노래랑 연관이 있을수록 좋다는 겁니다. 따로따로 좋은 게 아니라요.

Enon

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Enon 2016-09-08T14:56:57+00:00

Enon wrote:
Then what about other maps?

I was just wonder about that mentioned at above. I didn't expect it would be a drama as much as it.

I'm so sorry to people who came here for helping this mapset, and I'll consider changing bg after some discussion.

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-09-08T14:58:33+00:00

에논님께는 다시 한번 죄송하다는 말씀 드립니다. 과도한 표현을 쓰려는 의도도 없었고, 스레드를 어지럽힐 생각도 없었는데 좀 자기 주장을 강하게 펴다보니 심각해진 것 같네요.

잘 고민해보시고 랭크 응원합니다.

Yuii-

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Yuii- 2016-09-08T15:09:38+00:00

ftfy enon

gotcha covered, don't worry!!!

Cellina

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Cellina 2016-09-08T15:15:29+00:00

said lemur life

Beomsan

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Beomsan 2016-09-08T15:18:25+00:00

Yuii- wrote:
ftfy enon

gotcha covered, don't worry!!!

lol

Beige

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Beige 2016-09-08T15:32:42+00:00

cheer up, it is not ur fault

Sotarks

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Sotarks 2016-09-08T15:33:37+00:00

*popcorns*

Akiyama Mizuki

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Akiyama Mizuki 2016-09-08T15:49:09+00:00

Sotarks wrote:
*popcorns*

u late fam

Enon

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Enon 2016-09-14T11:58:18+00:00

Fixed BG and SB

Anze

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Anze 2016-09-14T12:05:31+00:00

good bg
ㅇㅂ ㄴㄴ

Stjpa

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Stjpa 2016-09-14T15:43:54+00:00

Good luck getting through qualified with this.

Enon

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Enon 2016-09-14T18:28:26+00:00

Stjpa wrote:
Good luck getting through qualified with this.

Thanks!

by the way, Could you help me to go ranked this mapset?
It's really necessary.

+

I forgot to change the name of the last diff.
It will be changed as soon as possible

2016-09-17 Changed the name of the last diff

rui

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rui 2016-09-26T14:45:08+00:00

|ω・｀)ﾉ

[Curi's Easy]

00:20:102 (3) - remove the last whistle of the slider
00:27:102 (1) - use two 1/2 slider better imo
00:40:852 (3) - remove slider and add note. same as 00:12:102 (3,4,1) -

00:53:852 (2) - bad flow in Easy diff.
amendment

152,64,54102,2,0,P|217:34|280:69,2,120,2|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
214,115,55102,6,0,P|261:158|355:126,1,160,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
405,81,55852,1,8,0:0:0:0:
388,4,56102,2,0,P|444:12|484:64,2,120,2|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:

[Collab Normal]

00:08:102 (3,4,5) - this rhythm a little funny. How about this? http://puu.sh/romr1.jpg
00:23:602 (1) - remove NC
00:26:102 (1) - remove NC
00:27:852 (1) - remove NC
00:34:102 (1) - remove NC
00:54:727 (1,2) - swap NC
00:46:477 (2,3,1) - (2,3) add whistle (1) the start whistle of the slider
00:50:477 (4) - remove the last whistle of the slider and add the start whistle of the slider
00:54:477 (4) - add whistle
00:58:477 (3) - the start whistle of the slider

[Sz's Hard]

00:08:102 (4,5,6) - try this rhythm. sane as 00:16:102 (4,5,6) - http://puu.sh/ronvZ.jpg
00:30:852 (6,7,1) - Why do you change rhythm pattern? keeping the before of the rhythm is better imo http://puu.sh/roo5Z.jpg
00:32:352 (5,6) - How about this? http://puu.sh/roo7W.jpg

[Habi's Insane]

fine :3

[Dailycare's Insane]

00:19:977 (1) - the slider start 00:20:102 better imo. For example http://puu.sh/ropuO.jpg
00:21:602 (3) - I don't like this overlap. How about (490,242) ?

[bbExpert]

00:12:977 (6) - stuck in 00:13:352 (1) - ?

[Reol's XtrA]

00:26:602 (3) - stop before blue line and add note 00:26:852
00:51:727 (4) - It seems like a little too close. How about (267,143)?

[W]

00:03:977 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - interesting :3
00:12:852 (5,6) - I want to stuck in 00:13:102 (1). How about this placement? http://puu.sh/roswL.jpg
01:01:602 (4,5) - I want to follow 01:01:727 and 01:01:977 sounds. How about this placement? http://puu.sh/rosGR.jpg

That's all Good luck.

Enon

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Enon 2016-09-27T00:58:06+00:00

I will reply when I got home, thanks rui |ω・｀)ﾉ

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