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Eirene
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on lundi 6 décembre 2010 at 19:24:21

Artist: misono
Title: VS
Source: Tales of the Tempest
Tags: scar1410
BPM: 177
Filesize: 8786kb
Play Time: 03:38
Difficulties Available:
  1. Hard (4,78 stars, 402 notes)
  2. Insane (4,99 stars, 567 notes)
  3. Scar's Normal (2,81 stars, 216 notes)
Download: misono - VS
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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this really needs to be remapped

[Insane] : 100% nice enough I hope :3
[Hard] : 100% collab with scar
[Normal] : 100% well ... scar's easy...nothing to say xD

255 kbps AVERAGE ...

ready to be ranked ;p
KLong977
What you have so far seems fine. I'm not an expert at osu yet, but I feel like the notes in hard mode are too spread out. Also, I'm not sure if this was intentional, but the first kia time started after the first slider of the section while the second started near the first slider.

If you want an easy diff, I could try (but I'm still new to beatmapping).
You goy a star!
rEdo

KLong977 wrote:

What you have so far seems fine. I'm not an expert at osu yet, but I feel like the notes in hard mode are too spread out. Also, I'm not sure if this was intentional, but the first kia time started after the first slider of the section while the second started near the first slider.
they are spread out, couse they were putted like that on purpose, creating a 'jump'. kia times are ok~

anyway, wonderful job, finally someone thought about this sexy track <3
make this something even more awesome, i cheer on you. :)
Topic Starter
Eirene
thanks both :3
i'm working on a "normal" and scar is trying to make a "not bad" easy ... so I will only accept diff from very very good mappers
Scar
Here your boring and bad easy ~

Et vires le .osb avant que des couillons viennent te faire chier pour le virer

Download: misono - VS (Eirene) [Easy].osu
Kurai
oi~

[Hard]
00:44:142 (1) - Allonge de 1/2 ?
03:37:362 (5) - Si cette note a pour but de suivre les vocal, 1/4 plus tard sonne mieux, enfin même si sa suit mieux les vocal, sa casse un peu le rythme donc a toi de voir.

[Easy]

01:04:481 (1) - Commence le 1/4 plus tôt ?
02:09:566 (1) - ^
02:21:260 (Break) - Break de 30sec :/ Un break doit être de 10sec max ...
03:11:260 (1) - Fait le commencer 1/2 plus tard ?
03:32:955 (1) - ^

[General]
supprime le .osb~
les mp3 en 320kbps sont très mal vu, donc je te conseille fortement de le modifier par un 256kbps


Sinon la map est awesome donc star o_o
Topic Starter
Eirene

KuraiPettan wrote:

oi~

[Hard]
00:44:142 (1) - Allonge de 1/2 ? o.o...moche
03:37:362 (5) - Si cette note a pour but de suivre les vocal, 1/4 plus tard sonne mieux, enfin même si sa suit mieux les vocal, sa casse un peu le rythme donc a toi de voir. pas de changement ...


[b][General]

supprime le .osb~ pas obligatoire ... j'y peux rien si ce con de fichier revient à chaque fois ...
les mp3 en 320kbps sont très mal vu, donc je te conseille fortement de le modifier par un 256kbps tant qu'on m'a pas donné de raison valable je change pas ... j'ai pas envie d'avoir les oreilles bousillées ... ou alors je peux aussi l'augmenter si c'est juste le 320 qui va pas ...
btw, scar me signal que le mp3 est à 255kbps ... de plus, le .osb a été suppr ya pas mal de temps ... t'es sur d'avoir la bonne version de la map ? -.-


Sinon la map est awesome donc star o_o
Kurai

Eirene wrote:

[General]
supprime le .osb~ pas obligatoire ... j'y peux rien si ce con de fichier revient à chaque fois ... supprime le quand tu voudra la faire mod par un BAT alors~
les mp3 en 320kbps sont très mal vu, donc je te conseille fortement de le modifier par un 256kbps tant qu'on m'a pas donné de raison valable je change pas ... j'ai pas envie d'avoir les oreilles bousillées ... ou alors je peux aussi l'augmenter si c'est juste le 320 qui va pas ...

peppy wrote:

The bitrate of a beatmap's audio file should be no lower than 128kbps and no higher than 256kbps. If you are having trouble acquiring an appropriate audio file, contact one of the more audio-savvy BAT - they will be more than happy to find one for you.
Passer de 320kbps a 256kbps ne s'entend quasi pas et sa évitera que l'on te fasse chier pour que tu le change et d'avoir un mp3 de 7,7Mo

btw, scar me signal que le mp3 est à 255kbps ... de plus, le .osb a été suppr ya pas mal de temps ... t'es sur d'avoir la bonne version de la map ? -.- Bah j'ai dl la map au moment de faire le mod o_o et http://puu.sh/cKT
Après, tu fais ce que tu veux ~
Mais je kiff trop la map o_o

Ah et c'est scar qui a fait la Easy non ? Si oui, met "scar1410" dans les tag :/
Topic Starter
Eirene
Ah et c'est scar qui a fait la Easy non ? Si oui, met "scar1410" dans les tag :/
tu le fais exprès ??? o.o
scar est deja dans les tag depuis hier o.o
Kurai
ohgod ... je suis aveugle ou quoi >.>
Yuji Tokaji
Hi ~

Here my mod ~

[Easy]

- 01:03:633(2) : Spacing.
- 01:20:235(1) : ^
- 02:08:718(2) : ^

[Hard]

Looks good !


That's it.
Star !
Drafura
Love your [hard] <3

Sinon le mp3 est en VBR (taux variable qui s'adapte à la dynamique de la musique) donc parfois il est en 320 et parfois il est en 192 parfois en 256 etc...

Le format VBR optimise l'espace utilisé en gardant une qualité "maxi". Go wiki pour les détails, reste à savoir si la politique de ranking accepte le VBR.
Topic Starter
Eirene

Drafura wrote:

Love your [hard] <3

Sinon le mp3 est en VBR (taux variable qui s'adapte à la dynamique de la musique) donc parfois il est en 320 et parfois il est en 192 parfois en 256 etc...

Le format VBR optimise l'espace utilisé en gardant une qualité "maxi". Go wiki pour les détails, reste à savoir si la politique de ranking accepte le VBR.
les règles de rankage devienne de plus en plus bidon, donc j'y fait plus vraiment gaffe ... le seul truc auquel je fais attention c'est la taille de la map ... le reste franchement je m'en fou completement ....
Ekoro
Awesome o.o

~Star
Serval
Starzed

Really tiny little irc mod :P
omegaflo
Yeaaah Scar Ezayy ! o/

Star~
Magicphoenix
There was not that much I could find since it's my 2nd mod and I'm very bad , sry orz
(suggestions only)
[Easy]
00:59:227 (5) - new combo?
01:58:210 (5) - ^
02:21:260 (Break) - very long break imo = = , but I think it should be ok (I would fill it with sth though =D)

this seems looks like a Normal for me, but i think that's the mappers opinion :D

[Hard]
00:12:447 (5) - new combo
00:16:176 (10) - new combo, remove nc @0:16:515 and nc on 00:17:701?
00:21:938 (1) - remove new combo?
00:22:277 (2) - new combo
00:23:803 (7) - ^
00:36:854 (5) - ^(unnecessary)
00:47:362 (8) - ^
01:40:932 (4) - ^
01:43:803 (6) - ^...
02:21:260 (5) - ^
02:32:277 (6) - ^
02:43:294 (6) - ^

rest is fine :D

Very good map, star~

please don't give me any kudosu if it didn't help, since there are only new combo suggestions... (and probably not very helpful orz)
James2250
Start the second kiai time at 03:14:481 (on the note)

Easy:
I would suggest using the biggest circles for this map to make it easier for beginners, up to you
30 second break? It's too long, map half of it
map itself looks fine

Hard:
Rename this Insane...it has too many large jumps for a Hard
End first kiai on the white tick?
I think some of the jumps are too extreme in this difficulty for no reason
For example
02:51:599 (1,2,3,4,5) (I did it like the 4th time...but I would still reduce the distance)
I guess the rest of the jumps are ok~

*star*
Topic Starter
Eirene

James2250 wrote:

Hard:
Rename this Insane...it has too many large jumps for a Hard
End first kiai on the white tick?
I think some of the jumps are too extreme in this difficulty for no reason
For example
02:51:599 (1,2,3,4,5) (I did it like the 4th time...but I would still reduce the distance)
I guess the rest of the jumps are ok~
all fixed
Scar

Magicphoenix wrote:

[Easy]
00:59:227 (5) - new combo? Nah, better in (7).
01:58:210 (5) - ^ Ok.
02:21:260 (Break) - very long break imo = = , but I think it should be ok (I would fill it with sth though =D)

James2250 wrote:

Easy:
I would suggest using the biggest circles for this map to make it easier for beginners, up to you Ok.
30 second break? It's too long, map half of it 20 seconds now.
map itself looks fine
Thanks you both ~

Download: misono - VS (Eirene) [Easy].osu
Kiddo-Kun
Catch this star ~
Hard is fun. :D
krius_old
fun map,
starz~
Sushi
Yo.

IRC Modding
Derekku

Sushi wrote:

Yo.

IRC Modding
It would be helpful for others if you would at least post a few things you modded. :p

[General]
*Offset could use a +5.
*I really dislike two-difficulty mapsets. They usually don't provide enough of a difficulty spread for everyone to enjoy them. Right now, you have a 1M score normal and a 13M score Insane with no middle-ground between them. :/
*Custom hitsounds are <3, but the soft-sliderslide drumroll noise is kinda annoying for this song. Maybe you could add a blank sound for that?
*And actually, I kinda expected the normal and clap sounds to be reversed. oxo I don't know if it's just me, but I think they sound better like that. *reversed the names of the sounds in the folder* xp
*Second kiai section should start on 03:14:481, not some random tick before it. oxo
*I was confused as to why scar's name was in the tags. If he made the Normal diff, then I suggest naming it "scar's Normal" or something like that.

[Normal]
*Perhaps raise the drain a tick.
00:58:888 (4,5,6) - triplet pattern is a bit unpredictable; perhaps make this a repeating slider? Plus, the stacked notes 00:59:905 (6,1) have a pause between them which is a bit confusing as to when to hit (1).
01:16:176 (6,7) - a bit tricky. How about changing this to how 02:29:566 (5) is. No note on the white tick, but a slider from one red tick to the next.
01:36:345 (1) - move to the next white tick and shorten. (so that the spinner doesn't come up before you hit the note before it)
03:11:260 (1) - move to the next white tick, and then either shorten it or extend it. (There would still be two beats before the next note if you extend, which is fine)
03:32:955 (1) - move to the next white tick, and then you can shorten/extend like I suggested above.
*This is a bit harder than I'd like to see for the easiest diff in a mapset (mildly fast slider velocity and fast-paced beats), but I suppose it'll be fine if you at least make the changes I pointed out.

[Insane]
*I actually think that this would sound a lot better with just tick rate 1.
*Difficulty settings are a bit low for an Insane diff, but since you don't have an actual Hard...
00:22:277 (2) - actually expected this to be only 1/2 after (i.e., a jump), so maybe move it a bit further away?
00:27:023 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I thought it was kinda strange that the first stream is closely-spaced, but the next is wider. o.o
00:32:023 (1,2,3,4) - didn't expect this offbeat pattern at all (and it's the only one in the entire map). I suggest making 1-2 and 3-4 each a slider. A map should be sightreadable and FCable on its first try, and this was just too unexpected.
02:51:260 (11,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - This wouldn't be so bad if the pauses from 11 to 1 and 6 to 1 weren't so confusing.

So yeah. I'd say that this mapset will suffer in its current state, but another difficulty or two (a Hard and maybe a real Easy) would make it so much better.
Scar

Derekku wrote:

[Normal]
*Perhaps raise the drain a tick.
00:58:888 (4,5,6) - triplet pattern is a bit unpredictable; perhaps make this a repeating slider? Plus, the stacked notes 00:59:905 (6,1) have a pause between them which is a bit confusing as to when to hit (1).
01:16:176 (6,7) - a bit tricky. How about changing this to how 02:29:566 (5) is. No note on the white tick, but a slider from one red tick to the next.
01:36:345 (1) - move to the next white tick and shorten. (so that the spinner doesn't come up before you hit the note before it)
03:11:260 (1) - move to the next white tick, and then either shorten it or extend it. (There would still be two beats before the next note if you extend, which is fine)
03:32:955 (1) - move to the next white tick, and then you can shorten/extend like I suggested above.
*This is a bit harder than I'd like to see for the easiest diff in a mapset (mildly fast slider velocity and fast-paced beats), but I suppose it'll be fine if you at least make the changes I pointed out.
All fixed~ thanks~

Download: misono - VS (Eirene) [Normal].osu
Garven
Sorry for the delay. -_-

[Scar's Normal]
00:51:097 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - This was kind of boring since it's just the same repeating slider for a looong time. Maybe try to mix it up a little bit and make it more interesting?
01:36:521 (1) - Kind of expected another note here and the spinner to start at 01:36:859 -
02:30:418 - This is a really long break. Maybe map through some of it?
03:14:486 - Start kiai here
03:33:131 (1) - Expected note here, spinner start one beat later
03:38:555 (1) - ^

[Hard]
This is really hard for a hard. I can only imagine what the Insane is going to be like. :/
That said, the first break feels way too far into the map to me. Might be better having one at 01:39:571 - and mapping through the break at 02:22:960 - .
01:12:113 (1) - This speed up didn't feel natural to me.
02:17:362 (2) - This one felt much better - think yo can emulate that in the previous one?
I'd like to say that you should tone this difficulty down, but that would almost be a remap at this point. The biggest issue is the distance snap and some of the larger jumps. It just pushes the difficulty through the roof and plays like an insane.

[Insane]
Uh, is this a WIP? This is the same thing as hard only with higher difficulty settings. Move this back to WIP forums if so. (Did I get the modding backward? If so, apply the mods to this one except for the difficulty commentary. :P)
Topic Starter
Eirene

Garven wrote:

SPOILER
Sorry for the delay. -_-

[Scar's Normal]
00:51:097 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - This was kind of boring since it's just the same repeating slider for a looong time. Maybe try to mix it up a little bit and make it more interesting?
01:36:521 (1) - Kind of expected another note here and the spinner to start at 01:36:859 -
02:30:418 - This is a really long break. Maybe map through some of it?
03:14:486 - Start kiai here
03:33:131 (1) - Expected note here, spinner start one beat later
03:38:555 (1) - ^

[Hard]
This is really hard for a hard. I can only imagine what the Insane is going to be like. :/
That said, the first break feels way too far into the map to me. Might be better having one at 01:39:571 - and mapping through the break at 02:22:960 - .
01:12:113 (1) - This speed up didn't feel natural to me.
02:17:362 (2) - This one felt much better - think yo can emulate that in the previous one?
I'd like to say that you should tone this difficulty down, but that would almost be a remap at this point. The biggest issue is the distance snap and some of the larger jumps. It just pushes the difficulty through the roof and plays like an insane.

[Insane]
Uh, is this a WIP? This is the same thing as hard only with higher difficulty settings. Move this back to WIP forums if so. (Did I get the modding backward? If so, apply the mods to this one except for the difficulty commentary. :P)
-> normal : fixed
-> hard : completed
-> insane : no change :
for the break, no rhythm = no map. I map when I think it's possible to map ;p
for the speed up, it's really natural for me and the 2 parts don't have the same rhythm. the 2nd is much calmer than the 1st

thanks *.*
Garven
Recheck, lalala

[Hard]
00:27:532 (2,3,4) - This felt kind of unnecessary - especially with the really softish custom hitsounds. Maybe use a repeat slider instead?
00:49:909 (5,6) - Maybe reduce the jump distance on these to 1.5x or so? 1.7x feels a bit far for this difficulty. At least in it's current configuration, it feels a bit far. If you use the same technique used in a lot of the other jumps, they read a lot better.
01:14:825 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
01:54:486 (4,5) - This jump was kind of deceptive; maybe rearrange it so it reads a little better?
01:55:842 (7,2) - Line the 7 up with the end of the 2 slider or visa versa
02:08:554 (4) - Raise this up two grids to reduce overlap.
02:08:554 (4,1) - And this jump feels a tad far for the difficulty.
02:38:384 (5,1) - Not a good spot for a jump. :/
02:42:621 (3) - Maybe make this a curved slider going downwards to reduce overlap?
02:44:486 (2,3) - Kind of a big jump
03:14:486 - Start kiai here

No kds since it's an extension of the previous mod.
Sushi
So I Checked, recheked and checked again.

There was a jump in hard way too difficult at 02:08:554 (4,1) - in Hard. Fixed.

Now I think I can safely bubble this.

Yay for my first bubble.

EDIT : Popped

GO FIX THE SNAPING ON THE INSANE AND THE NORMAL

EDIT 2 : Rebubb

Corrected snaping and nazi cosmetic stuff.
Andrea
Really good map, hitsounds are just awesome!

Ranked~
Kurai
Enfin :33
Derekku
Was going to do a requested remod of this last night, but lo and behold my internet was out for 6 hours. Well.. congrats!
Topic Starter
Eirene
hahaha no problem derekku ... you'll other maps to mod soon ;p
btw, thanks everyone =D
banvi
very nice map~ <3
Topic Starter
Eirene

banvi wrote:

very nice map~ <3
thanks *.*
but I hope I can make better maps =D
Derekku

Eirene wrote:

hahaha no problem derekku ... you'll other maps to mod soon ;p
:S!!
Derekku

Derekku wrote:

Eirene wrote:

hahaha no problem derekku ... you'll other maps to mod soon ;p
:S!!
EDIT:

James2250 wrote:

Start the second kiai time at 03:14:481 (on the note)

Derekku wrote:

kiai section should start on 03:14:481

Garven wrote:

03:14:486 - Start kiai here

Garven wrote:

(Remod) 03:14:486 - Start kiai here
So... why exactly does the kiai start a beat before where everyone said to put it? :V Most of the time, kiai starts on the downbeat (big white tick) of a measure. In this case, you put kiai on the lead-in to the measure, which doesn't make much sense. Please remember this for your future maps.

Also, you have kiai ending in the middle of the spinner on Hard, but that's not as noticeable as the kiai starting early.
Topic Starter
Eirene
it's my choice *.* most of the time I hate how kiai is used so...
I prefer when the kiai start here... it's not a mistake... am I wrong ?
Derekku

Eirene wrote:

it's my choice *.* most of the time I hate how kiai is used so...
I prefer when the kiai start here... it's not a mistake... am I wrong ?
I never saw you respond to anyone about the kiai which is why it looked more like a mistake than your personal choice. There's really not a right or wrong place to put kiai, but take the offset of your map as an example. You place the offset on the downbeat (strongest beat) of the measure. Sometimes a song will have a lead-in beat or two, so you wouldn't put the offset on one of those, but rather the downbeat as explained here. Most of the time, kiai looks/sounds better being on the downbeat. In the case of your map, you put the kiai on the lead-in beat to the measure which looked strange.
Musty
Congratulation salmon *.*
Topic Starter
Eirene

Derekku wrote:

I never saw you respond to anyone about the kiai which is why it looked more like a mistake than your personal choice. There's really not a right or wrong place to put kiai, but take the offset of your map as an example. You place the offset on the downbeat (strongest beat) of the measure. Sometimes a song will have a lead-in beat or two, so you wouldn't put the offset on one of those, but rather the downbeat as explained here. Most of the time, kiai looks/sounds better being on the downbeat. In the case of your map, you put the kiai on the lead-in beat to the measure which looked strange.
I understand what do you mean, but it's really my choice...
I made the kiai start at the begining of the chorus, I feel this is more natural... and it's not illogical I think...
(and before the map was modded, kiai started on the previous blue tick, which was a mistake)

btw, rather than complaining about kiai start time... you should complain about maps full of kiai or kiai that makes a map unplayable =D

well... enough about the kiai now, I'll try to make the kiai ended after the spinner next time ;p
Rost94
Very good beatmap :3
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