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The Mafia Tree - Game Over

posted 2015-08-12T16:20:49+00:00

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Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2015-09-19T12:10:01+00:00

I have extremely limited connection so sorry for slow posts.

I thought I said that poe all were confirmed town except me and NS. I also couldnt see how slaini push made sense ever since d4(?) . Why would scum made sound next to NS who was town read next day after jess lynch? I didnt find his push townlike, especially that he will be alone if slaini is lynched too.

Honestly the worst thing is the fact why im still alive and not MB. Im probably null at best.
While MB can probably read more town or scum than me.

@CB what are your comments about the nightkill?

Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2015-09-19T12:11:18+00:00

@haneii. Why do you think CB can be scum? (Based on other posts, not this day.)

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-19T16:24:13+00:00

Raging Bull wrote:
@haneii. Why do you think CB can be scum? (Based on other posts, not this day.)

I never really did. He's always been just below my radar at null/null scum. However, never placed him as town (hasn't done anything townie), but I decided to consider him town after the Ace lynch (It doesn't make much sense to have Jess with a townie above and below her to perform a night kill, when he could have done it without being heard.)

Probably a really stupid question but:

Do actions/targeting still go through if the person doing the action dies that night?

Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Topic Starter

Sakura 2015-09-19T16:40:34+00:00

Haneii wrote:
Do actions/targeting still go through if the person doing the action dies that night?

This is dependant on NAR, however if the player was roleblocked then the action wont go through regardless.

I bloom in spring

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-19T17:28:18+00:00

Sakura wrote:
Haneii wrote:
Do actions/targeting still go through if the person doing the action dies that night?
This is dependant on NAR, however if the player was roleblocked then the action wont go through regardless.

I think I got it, but just to double check.

Someone (A) got role blocked, but the roleblocker (B) themselves die that same night. Does the initial person (A) still give off a sound/or give off any indication that they were targeted?

Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Topic Starter

Sakura 2015-09-19T17:43:39+00:00

I'll clarify it then.
A person that takes action and is roleblocked still counts as having taken an action.
A person that is roleblocked doesn't visit anyone.
Roleblock takes presedence over kill, so even if the roleblocker dies, their roleblock still goes through.

I bloom in spring

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-19T17:53:26+00:00

Yay! Got it thanks.

Unfortunately, I was headed no where with this (Sorry for wasting your time, Sakura! At least I learned something!). Thought there was a possibility that Amianki could have done the kill instead of Jess (in the case that Jess was role blocked and that's what triggered the sound). I mistakenly thought Pieguy was just a role blocker, not a global compulsive day specific RB. Derp.

I don't really have a reason for thinking Amianki is town. However the fact that (if he were scum) the Jess lynch could have been prevented + the lack of bussing, prevent me from viewing amianki as scum atm.

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-19T23:00:13+00:00

So neither of you plan to post all day? :sadface:

Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2015-09-20T01:23:12+00:00

Not intentionally, bit i said i have limited connection. (All up in mountain.)

Has there been any connection between ace and CB? Im not sure, except for CB voting ace. Did they talk much?

If you guys have that bolded name power, would you guys target town, scum, or self(regardless of alignment)

Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2015-09-20T01:24:25+00:00

Lol self wont make sense as town. Nvm. Would you target yourself as scum?

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-20T01:57:07+00:00

Raging Bull wrote:
Lol self wont make sense as town. Nvm. Would you target yourself as scum?

If I were scum I'd use it for the same purpose for either choice (bold naming someone else or myself) - to scum paint the people surrounding the bolded name.

As town, and if I had a choice, I'd avoid using it completely, considering we lose out on gathering new information (Same to scum, but I feel like the sounds are more valuable to town for scum hunting).

Why do you ask, RB?

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-20T03:53:31+00:00

Amianki, why did you unvote me?

If you think there's a chance RB's scum, tell us how.

If you wanted to keep the game going a bit longer, why aren't you posting?

Amianki

Joined January 2011

Amianki 2015-09-20T04:15:37+00:00

I actually realized the moment after I voted that my logic for RB being conftown was wrong since it's impossible sounds haven't been tampered with and I've been meaning to try to piece together sound claims from the past days. I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

I've been not here today because my brain refuses to function today. It probably won't be much better tomorrow, but should be fine on Monday.

June 1, 1996 - August 13, 2014
Never forget

Amianki ♥

Amianki

Joined January 2011

Amianki 2015-09-20T04:16:07+00:00

The name bolding is 100% a scum action or it would've been claimed or been obvious from flips by now.

June 1, 1996 - August 13, 2014
Never forget

Amianki ♥

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-20T12:54:20+00:00

Amianki wrote:
I've been not here today because my brain refuses to function today. It probably won't be much better tomorrow, but should be fine on Monday.

I can't accept/allow that. I have limited access during the work week, so I'd prefer we use this weekend to the fullest.

Amianki, I want you to role claim right now! In addition, I want you to tell us the two people you've targeted and on what nights (you've posted this one already but I want everything explicitly mentioned in a single post now, please).

Amianki

Joined January 2011

Amianki 2015-09-20T13:11:21+00:00

2-shot doctor.

Protected NS on the night nobody died (3?) and SLaiNi the night after.

June 1, 1996 - August 13, 2014
Never forget

Amianki ♥

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-20T13:25:09+00:00

Thanks.

Another question (something already asked of you earlier but we didn't really get an answer): What did slaini do Day 5 to make you vote for him?

Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2015-09-21T07:05:07+00:00

Sorry. Give me like 2 3 hours. Leaving mountain now

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-21T10:30:36+00:00

*sigh*

Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2015-09-21T11:02:44+00:00

Sorry. It took a lot longer than I thought. You arent the only one who is busy. You might as well as mod to prod me few hours ago if you really need to talk to me.

I wanted to ask to hear about peoples thoughts as see what might be likely.

@haneii i prefer you keep it one choice. As for me if scum, i would prefer to target self. If i target other people, chances are that we have to kill them eventually. If i target self or another scum, we can make full use of noise block.

I suppose it is true why town wont have that power. Idk why i ask that.

I still like to see what CB thinks.

Amianki

Joined January 2011

Amianki 2015-09-21T14:13:56+00:00

Amianki wrote:
Sorry, I can only see two possibilities right now:

1. Notscience was targeted for a kill and survived.
2. Scum no-kill gambited. This actually incriminates sLaiNi, if anyone, because he was the one who was trying so hard to get a massclaim of sounds.

Vote: sLaiNi

I really think we're overthinking this game by a massive amount.

What's ambiguous about this?

June 1, 1996 - August 13, 2014
Never forget

Amianki ♥

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-21T15:02:57+00:00

Amianki wrote:
Amianki wrote:
Sorry, I can only see two possibilities right now:

1. Notscience was targeted for a kill and survived.
2. Scum no-kill gambited. This actually incriminates sLaiNi, if anyone, because he was the one who was trying so hard to get a massclaim of sounds.

Vote: sLaiNi

I really think we're overthinking this game by a massive amount.
What's ambiguous about this?

Nothing at all. But those are things you knew Day 4, yet you still chose to protect him that night. Which means you must have still thought he was town/most likely to be NK.

I'll ask again. What did Slaini do Day 5 that made you vote for him?

Amianki

Joined January 2011

Amianki 2015-09-21T15:43:48+00:00

Amianki wrote:
We were in a situation where NS and sLaiNi both heard each other two nights in a row and claimed actions didn't account for the discrepancy. Occam's razor says that sLaiNi is the scum in that scenario because of who was protected from kills at the time as well as his play after the kill was blocked.

This conclusion could only have been reached after night 4 since Ace Timing's scum flip kind of cleared up the air by itself and sLaiNi looked like the strongest contender for the nightkill at the time.

June 1, 1996 - August 13, 2014
Never forget

Amianki ♥

Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2015-09-21T21:05:12+00:00

Its probably because they both heard noises again and that slaini wasnt targetted for NK.

Haneii, do you know any reason why you were blocked?

CB what would you do if given noise block?

Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2015-09-21T21:54:51+00:00

Seeing as DL is approaching in 3 days, i will state that I will be voting for haneii tomorrow and avoid rushing. I cannot see (yet) CB being scum. States protected NS(?) and slaini. NS and Slaini both flipped town. No one also counter claimed doc. I cant see scum doc in that. Nothing in haneii particularly points him out as scum, but i feel like he became a little more passive lately and i dont see him as town as before.

Amianki

Joined January 2011

Amianki 2015-09-22T00:51:26+00:00

If I had an antitown role as town, I'd only use it to prove I had it. As scum, I'd probably use it either on myself or to someone next to me.

June 1, 1996 - August 13, 2014
Never forget

Amianki ♥

Amianki

Joined January 2011

Amianki 2015-09-22T00:52:01+00:00

Second sentence was to the specific role, if there was confusion.

June 1, 1996 - August 13, 2014
Never forget

Amianki ♥

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-22T01:21:49+00:00

Amianki wrote:
I actually realized the moment after I voted that my logic for RB being conftown was wrong since it's impossible sounds haven't been tampered with and I've been meaning to try to piece together sound claims from the past days. I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

I've been not here today because my brain refuses to function today. It probably won't be much better tomorrow, but should be fine on Monday.

Got time yet?

Amianki

Joined January 2011

Amianki 2015-09-22T04:43:04+00:00

Kinda.

I have a faint memory of RB claiming another power. Did he ever put all that info in one post?

June 1, 1996 - August 13, 2014
Never forget

Amianki ♥

Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2015-09-22T07:35:12+00:00

Not that im aware of. I only hinted using a power, but haneii guess is correct. I toleblocked slaini and drezi.

If you were scum, why would you not use it on someone not near? I feel like you are more capable of defending or talking your way out of a sound claim and affect more people with noise block.

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-22T10:08:17+00:00

Raging Bull wrote:
Not that im aware of. I only hinted using a power, but haneii guess is correct. I toleblocked slaini and drezi.

When have I guessed it? Also, you've never mentioned performing an action on slaini before now. What night did you role block slaini?

Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2015-09-22T13:04:44+00:00

Haneii wrote:
I agree. Do you really think they got 1 goon and 2 DVs? while we get dvs, a cop, a role blocker, a bus driver, and possible doc?

Pg 117. Am I wrong? Well its few days ago so ill give you that. I blocked slaini N1 after his hammer.

Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2015-09-22T20:32:59+00:00

I dont think I ever had a need to say i targetted slaini come to think of it. I blocked him, but a kill went through. The bus noise also didnt help anyone with sound making.

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-23T00:00:48+00:00

I understand why you kept it to yourself early game, but you could have told us the other day when we were asking for role/action claims. Why keep it to yourself?

Also, at the time I wasn't guessing you were roleblocker. I was referring to the already confirmed pieguy.

Now that you role claimed, it's even more less likely. Town has two role blockers? Along with dvs, a cop, and a bus driver? Still feels a bit too much, even if we did have a miller.

Considering all the roles, it'd be more likely to have a scum role blocker...

Also, I still feel uneasy about how you claim to have role blocked drezi on a night where we didn't get a NK and never pressed the possibility that you might have stopped it. You dropped it so easily.

I've had RB as possible scum for a majority of this game and had Ami at null for pretty much the entirety of it. Gut tells me RB...but ahhhhhh

Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Topic Starter

Sakura 2015-09-23T01:48:14+00:00

A vote count probably wont be necessary because people aren't voting.
I do want to inform you that there's about 43 hours left until deadline.

I bloom in spring

Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2015-09-23T02:44:00+00:00

When you asked for action claim, i thought you meant n3 only, so i did. I already hinted at it when i said there was no kill n3. The hell? Yet no one else seemed to care and only focused on slaini and ace, except for MB (i think). Throughout d4, when NS mebtiones possibility of doctor, i stopped as i didnt think about it because it was reasonable to also protect NS after his push on jess. So i shifted my attention to the ace and slaini discussion.

Haneii wrote:
I've had RB as possible scum for a majority of this game and had Ami at null for pretty much the entirety of it. Gut tells me RB...but ahhhhhh

Actually im worried about voting haneii now. I didnt even notice this. I cant see CB doing this to get anyone lynched as scum...

Amianki

Joined January 2011

Amianki 2015-09-23T03:18:04+00:00

RB what's your full action list?

June 1, 1996 - August 13, 2014
Never forget

Amianki ♥

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-23T03:33:13+00:00

so you, a confirmed role blocker, decide that the failed NK didn't result from your role block, because others don't seem to agree with you/catch on to your hints/or care?

You felt that that the more likely scenario involved a speculated doctor, that might have protected NS, who was probably the target for the nightkill?

Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2015-09-23T07:07:12+00:00

Amianki wrote:
RB what's your full action list?

2 shot rb. I used it n1 on slaini who hammered and i didnt like it. Used it on drezi n3 as drezi heavily defended jess, who was scum.

Haneii wrote:
so you, a confirmed role blocker, decide that the failed NK didn't result from your role block, because others don't seem to agree with you/catch on to your hints/or care?

You felt that that the more likely scenario involved a speculated doctor, that might have protected NS, who was probably the target for the nightkill?

Yes. Unless im suppose to know something else. Slaini heard sounds coming from NS. Who else would target NS after he lynched scum? Not RB as I targetted drezi. Not invest since he died. Hider? No one died. BD would be obvious in this game.

Please let me know a scenario where a NS would be targetted by another role thats not a doc.

Inretrospect i should have claimed as I turnes VT the moment i rb drezi since i used my last shot.

Haneii

Joined November 2009

Haneii 2015-09-23T10:34:34+00:00

Raging Bull wrote:
Please let me know a scenario where a NS would be targetted by another role thats not a doc.

Mafia role cop, mafia role blocker, some other scum aligned role etc.

How are you so sure that NS was targeted by town, enough to disregard your role block.

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