Hr or actually learn the game ?

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meteor22
he should play HR, then he can do nomod easily
i think
-Makishima S-
HR accurate circle clicking is opposite of nomod (lucky) mash passes. There is no place for mistakes in HR, you play it good or gtfo to home, no pass for you / no pp cause shit acc.

@OP - Learn how this game works, if you have problem with acc stuff, go back to easier maps and fix them. Acc is not what comes in flashlight speed, you actualy need a lot of practice to be better.
Mahogany

meteor22 wrote:

he should play HR, then he can do nomod easily
i think
I disagree.

It's easier to learn AR9 and then learn AR10 than it is to learn AR10 and then AR9, imho. It's always easier to learn to go faster than it is to learn to go slower.
meteor22
You don't need to pass you can use nofail
and don't tell me nofail is bad lol
Mahogany
Why the fuck would you ever play HR+NF???
meteor22

Mahogany wrote:

meteor22 wrote:

he should play HR, then he can do nomod easily
i think
I disagree.

It's easier to learn AR9 and then learn AR10 than it is to learn AR10 and then AR9, imho. It's always easier to learn to go faster than it is to learn to go slower.
What? No reading ar10 is harder than ar9, everyone knows dat...
Mahogany
That's very much untrue.

It depends on circle density. Haven't you heard people complaining about AR9 on Rainbow Dash Likes Girls or Kokou no Sousei?
meteor22

Mahogany wrote:

That's very much untrue.

It depends on circle density. Haven't you heard people complaining about AR9 on Rainbow Dash Likes Girls or Kokou no Sousei?
There aren't enough maps like that to make your argument relevant.
Also people who have the actual level to play those maps are already very experienced player who need no advice.
Mahogany
The fact remains that AR9 adds difficulty to those maps while AR10 would make them easier. It's a perfectly relevant argument as the same applies to all approach rates: It's all relevant to circle density.
meteor22
I only talked about the quantity of such maps being too low for your argument to be relevant, when comparing what's harder between ar9 and ar10 for most players (that is low rank).

Please don't answer unrelated things. We all know a few maps could use higher AR, but that's not the point at all here.
Mahogany
It's an entirely relevant point, though, that higher circle density can make AR9 more difficult than AR10 in a map. The quantity of such maps existing is irrelevant, because they do exist, and that's proof enough.

And as I've said earlier, it's a lot harder to learn to go slower than it is to learn to go faster. You'll find plenty of people who play so much HR and DT that they've forgotten to read AR9. You won't find anyone who has forgotten to read AR10.
-Makishima S-
Low rank should not learn ar10 until he knows how to play ar9.

There is diffrence betwin 160 bpm ar9 and 200 bpm ar9. Knowladge about one doesn't mean you will be able to play second.

AR10 will NOT HELP you at all in low rank, i know this by myself. Constant spamming hr made my acc horrible and it takes work to regain it right now.

NF is awfull. You are not supposed to spam and mash shit, you are supposed to play it as good as possible, achieve higest possible acc and combo. You can NF stuff when you are #10-5k and above becouse you have way less chance to get bad habits than now.

Annoying bs... why the fuck #7,5k guy (yes, this meteor...) intentionaly trying to make newb player worse than he is in actual situation, think sometimes wtf are you trying to do.
meteor22
@Taiga : I am not sure what you are trying to say.

Mahogany wrote:

You'll find plenty of people who play so much HR and DT that they've forgotten to read AR9.
They did not forget. They never knew how to read properly in the first place.

Mahogany wrote:

You won't find anyone who has forgotten to read AR10.
I'd like to know what studies you have conducted to reach that conclusion.
Mahogany

meteor22 wrote:

They did not forget. They never knew how to read properly in the first place.
And yet you're recommending HR to OP, despite the fact that he can't even play AR9 yet. What's wrong with you?

meteor22 wrote:

I'd like to know what studies you have conducted to reach that conclusion.
Ok, I'll rephrase that.

I've met plenty of people who have forgotten how to read AR9 due to DT/HR abuse.
I've yet to find a single person who has forgotten how to read AR10.
-Makishima S-
@Taiga : I am not sure what you are trying to say.
Basicaly tl;dr - make some research before posting bs.
You don't have scores to back up your theory like AR10 HR could help newbs.
You don't take point that often HR incerase also OD to 10 which means - way harder to reach any reasonable acc. It will not help at all. Newbs should progress with OD in linear way, from down to up. Jumping instantly into OD10 will just screw you up, one more time - i know this by myself.
You are first one to post this kind of literaly pure bullshit.
Just stop.
Endaris

Mahogany wrote:

Why the fuck would you ever play HR+NF???
Cause HP10 OD10 kills me even if I don't miss xD
meteor22

Mahogany wrote:

meteor22 wrote:

I'd like to know what studies you have conducted to reach that conclusion.
Ok, I'll rephrase that.

I've met plenty of people who have forgotten how to read AR9 due to DT/HR abuse.
I've yet to find a single person who has forgotten how to read AR10.
thx better

[Taiga] wrote:

@Taiga : I am not sure what you are trying to say.
Basicaly tl;dr - make some research before posting bs.
You don't have scores to back up your theory like HR could help newbs.
You are first one to post this kind of literaly pure bullshit.
Just stop.
dude chill. This is a game ok? We're not talking about saving his life.

Anyways we all know the OP won't use any advice we give, and tbh I don't think this sub forum has ever helped someone improve (but that's my opinion lol). He should only keep playing whatever the heck he wants
-Makishima S-
I don't think this sub forum has ever helped someone improve (but that's my opinion lol)
Then add me as first person to the list. This sub forum - people here and sticky topics helped me alot and saved from being garbage unable to progress, dead at farming fullmod easy and normals for pp.
AIice

Mahogany wrote:

Why the fuck would you ever play HR+NF???
If u like to go tryhard and never give up u can get some cool scores that most people cant get http://puu.sh/jwhCg/61f223a97f.jpg

And no NF is not awful. It's my fav mod.

Back to main issue :
HR is hard especially when starting out. But in most maps so long as u dont miss 3 notes in a row u wont die unless its the slow part.
Also reading AR10 actually kinda strains my eyes when i wasnt used to it so the burden on your eyes isnt going to help u if ur fundies are not strong enough.

So my suggestion is : play nomod / DT first. The earliest i recommend is about 2500pp. The higher the bpm that u are comfy at the better. Im not too sure how to explain but its that way for me. It's as if it takes less effort to react to AR10 when u are starting out with HR.

EDIT : and of course master AR9 first and make sure to always be comfy at AR9 because when AR9 feels slow this game is hell. It happened to me before but luckily i recovered from it
Mahogany

meteor22 wrote:

dude chill. This is a game ok? We're not talking about saving his life.
He came here to ask for the advice and the best we could do is give him some proper advice.

meteor22 wrote:

Anyways we all know the OP won't use any advice we give
There's no way to know that. While you might be discouraged by the OP's name and posting mannerisms, that's no excuse not to try and help, since he still put forward legitimate questions.

meteor22 wrote:

I don't think this sub forum has ever helped someone improve (but that's my opinion lol)
I disagree

meteor22 wrote:

He should only keep playing whatever the heck he wants
For fun? Do whatever the fuck you want. But this forum is for helping people improve.

Reset- wrote:

play nomod / DT
I recommend not playing DT lest you become dependent on it for PP.
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