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osu!Skandinavian All Modes Tournament 2015

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Hjeg
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Joined June 2013
Hjeg

Divine Cake wrote:

The point of the tournament as CXu said is not to show prowess in one mode, but rather the most broadly able player. Exceling at all this game has to offer of challenges.
Then why does the Osu!std maps go against your policy? Sure the "average" player in this tournament is highly skilled in Osu!std. But why should they be able to "show off" their skill. While those who play Mania, for example, gets to play easy songs that is not even fun to play. The 1. round is going to get stomped. Same with the 2. and even the finals is eazy. (I could DT all the maps before the finals and get an S. That is not fun)

If you want to see everyone clear every map, then Mania is "ok", the maps are still shitty, but then we need a mappool that is easier for those who do not play standard. Even if that means that the Osu!std players will feel a little butthurt you will get that broad player all the way to the finals, instead of just standard players in the quarter, semi and finals.

If you want "the most broadly able player" to win then we need lower diff on std or higher on the other modes.

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CXu wrote:

I guess I could agree standard might have harder maps overall compared to the other modes, but the main mappool are also maps you can play as converts. I haven't looked into how difficult those are in other game modes, but they might balance it out better.
Noone likes auto-converts. Sorry, but I don't get how that is going to work out anyways
CXu
osu! Alumni
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Joined March 2009
CXu
You don't like autoconverts. Speak for yourself, not for everyone. (Yes I know a lot of people don't like autoconverts, but they're part of the game, and is also a choice if your goal is to "show off your skills")

I don't mind either way if standard gets nerfed or not, but you're mistaken if you think they're just automatically going to win because lolstandard. Unless you're not confident that you can win in your own game mode that is. If a standard and a mania team plays, at most they can pick the equal amount of maps from their gamemode, and then the tiebreaker will be CtB or Taiko. You won't get far at all with only one skillset in a tournament like this.

And it's a team effort. If you know you're bad at standard, you should've teamed with a standard player.
Divine Cake
114 posts
Joined November 2013
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Divine Cake
I will repeat what i said. The difficoulty of each mode is based on the AVRAGE skill level of the player base. If i had all the time in the world i would watch 100 60-70k osu!std players as this is the avrage skill level for standard in this tourney. but i dont have that kind of time. i based my jugment on 20-30 ish players of rank 71-73k rank in osu!std and picked maps according to what they could pass
Azy
4 posts
Joined March 2014
Azy
i found out that the average std rank of the players competing is 85k. i then checked what someone in that rank can play, and that is 4.5 star map with a B.
maybe a 4.2 with an A and rarely a 4.1 with 99% S.

so they might get through the first 3 rounds, but no more after that. so pls make this map pool fit to 85k players and what they are capable of doing (that is not 5 star maps).


PS jeg må selv beklage vist vi kommer fram som litt hostile, men mania tourny's er noe vi mania spillere sjeldent kommer over så dette er noe vi vil spille og ha det artig med. ikke sitte og spille dritt 4 star maps.
og vist det er sånn at vi knuser dere på 3-4 star maps. hvorfor ikke la oss knuse dere på noe vi faktisk syns er artig og spille?
Divine Cake
114 posts
Joined November 2013
Topic Starter
Divine Cake

Natsu Dragion wrote:

i found out that the average std rank of the players competing is 85k. i then checked what someone in that rank can play, and that is 4.5 star map with a B.
maybe a 4.2 with an A and rarely a 4.1 with 99% S.

so they might get through the first 3 rounds, but no more after that. so pls make this map pool fit to 85k players and what they are capable of doing (that is not 5 star maps).
If everybody would play the semi and finals map your argument would be extreamy relevant. However, only those who play in the semi finals those who lose in the semi finals winner and losers bracket and the finals will play the harder maps. since most of the worse player will be knocked out before this stage of the tourney we raised the difficulty of all the maps.

I might have misunderstood the point you gave. correct me if im wrong

Natsu Dragion wrote:

PS jeg må selv beklage vist vi kommer fram som litt hostile, men mania tourny's er noe vi mania spillere sjeldent kommer over så dette er noe vi vil spille og ha det artig med. ikke sitte og spille dritt 4 star maps.
og vist det er sånn at vi knuser dere på 3-4 star maps. hvorfor ikke la oss knuse dere på noe vi faktisk syns er artig og spille?
Ingen skade skjedd, jeg beklager altså for problemene. Men med kun 2 uker unna start turnering kan jeg ikke uten en veldig god grunn forandre mappoolen. til noens fordel. Prøv heller å skape intressange løsninger på problemer med maps dere ikke klarer og gi dere selv ekstra utfordringer på mania. I fjord ga jeg meg selv en regel om å holde inne boost knappen under hele CtB mappoolen fordi laget vårt var overlegent gode i den moden. Bare fordi det var gøy. Det er det som er poenget med denne turneringen også. Sure man kan vise man er den beste allrounderen, men jeg var med på fjorårets og årets turneringer fordi jeg synes det er morsomt.

Angående få mania tureringer så har jeg bare en løsning: lag en selv. Så vidt jeg vet var Kiwi's AMT turnering den første, og siden han ikke lenger hadde tid til det var jeg nødt til å ta over. Ellers hadde nok ikke blitt en ny en på år.
Hjeg
6 posts
Joined June 2013
Hjeg
Den er grei. Får spille med ringe - lillefinger på 4k, da ;^)

PS: Til neste gang dere lager en "all modes" turnering: Få noen som mainer en mode, f.eks mania <3, til å velge noen kule maps. Slik at ingen blir skuffet, slik som skjedde nå.
roufou
966 posts
Joined September 2011
roufou
gidder ikke lese alt men hvis det ikke ble sagt tidligere så gir det litt mening at andre modes sine maps er lettere siden de fleste spiller standard og standard har mere gode spillere, på den måten blir standard lettere enn de andre.

har ingen mening om hva som ville vært bedre though
Hjeg
6 posts
Joined June 2013
Hjeg
Hvis "average" forsatt er argumentet burde mania få høyere diff, ettersom at det er mange i turneringa som maina mania. Ihvertfall flere enn de som mainer taiko og CtB.

EDIT: Skal vi ha "warm-up"?
Azy
4 posts
Joined March 2014
Azy
er det finally time for putin's boner? ;)
1794766
93 posts
Joined July 2012
1794766
Om det blir warm up vet jeg ikke, men vil gjette på to warmup maps per kamp.
Hjeg
6 posts
Joined June 2013
Hjeg

Kiwi Stick wrote:

Om det blir warm up vet jeg ikke, men vil gjette på to warmup maps per kamp.
Valgfri mode?
Lanki
52 posts
Joined April 2013
Lanki
Den som er kapteinen på sitt lag for nok velge hvilken som helst mode de vill spille som warmup tenker jeg nok
1794766
93 posts
Joined July 2012
1794766

Hjeg wrote:

Valgfri mode?

lanki33 wrote:

Den som er kapteinen på sitt lag får nok velge hvilken som helst mode de vill spille som warmup tenker jeg nok
Iallfall slik jeg arrangerte det i fjor.
Divine Cake
114 posts
Joined November 2013
Topic Starter
Divine Cake
Warm ups goes like this. Each team can choose a maximum of 2 warm up maps. No fail is obligatory from both sides, as skill difference can be huge between each team. NF is to prevent one team to either sabotage on purpose or to not be good enough at the game mode, and therefore fail before the map is finished.
Cuppp
113 posts
Joined February 2013
Cuppp
Lykke til med turneringen
Wulfzz
312 posts
Joined November 2012
Wulfzz
Takk takk. :3
Taboki
50 posts
Joined November 2012
Taboki
Humm. Lykke til!
Wulfzz
312 posts
Joined November 2012
Wulfzz
Her er det en link til alle som vil følge kanalen vår før vi begynner å streame!
http://www.twitch.tv/osuskandiamt
1794766
93 posts
Joined July 2012
1794766
24 timer til Launch! Håper hypet er der hos deltakere og ellers andre interesserte!
Gumpy
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Joined June 2014
Gumpy
Hype!
1794766
93 posts
Joined July 2012
1794766
The Schedule has been updated, since we can't stream any matches this upcoming saturday. Please check the schedule for your next match.

The rules have also been updated and everyone in the staff know them by heart now so no more blunders like last weekend. You can have a new read at them yourself in the OP.
Octagon
94 posts
Joined August 2014
Octagon
Divine Cake is quite smart
Divine Cake
114 posts
Joined November 2013
Topic Starter
Divine Cake

Ketchup wrote:

Divine Cake is quite smart
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