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Hylian Lemon - Foresight Is for Losers [CatchTheBeat]

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Topic Starter
ZiRoX
Aww, updated with the original BG.
Hunter Howl
Cup diff doesn't have a BG so you need to fix that or is it just me?

ayy, new page
Crystal

raianshimuzu wrote:

Cup diff doesn't have a BG so you need to fix that or is it just me?

ayy, new page
yea, cup diff doesn't have a BG because of wrong (typo?) codes
the code is: 0,0,"bg.pg",0,0, missing a "j" before "pg".. lol
Topic Starter
ZiRoX
I'm an idiot, fixed.
MBomb
Placeholder ;)

Cup
00:28:105 (3) - Not sure about this slider (And the other sliders like this, in the kiai times), because they could lead to very easy drops.
00:31:480 (1) - x:224 feels a lot better on this slider, it felt awkward to hit previously.

Salad
00:23:230 (2) - A dash here would be nice, move this to x:16, I feel it fits quite nicely here.
00:32:980 (1) - Ctrl+H and move to x:457. A very minor change but it bugs me how it is now.
01:09:167 (4) - A dash would be nice here. Maybe x:432?
01:12:167 (2) - x:216, just to make sure the player knows to dash here, it's currently possible (Albeit hard) to get this without dashing.

Platter
00:40:105 (3,4) - A dash to 3 feels nice here, whilst maintaining the HDash to 4, so what I would do is move 3 to x:48 and 4 to x:100.
00:42:730 (6) - Imo the hyper to this doesn't really fit. Move this to x:224 to keep a nice dash but getting rid of the HDash.
01:02:980 (2) - A dash to this feels better. x:256 plays quite nicely.
01:14:042 (3) - Dash please for the change in pitch. x:416, maybe?
02:32:884 (7) - Just a normal dash here feels better than a HDash, in my opinion. I'd move this to x:320.

Rain
00:46:105 (9,10,11) - I think a hyper fits going to 9, so I would stack 9 on top of 11 at x:48, and then maybe move 10 to x:0?
01:21:350 (1) - x:224 please. This HDash feels very strange to play how it is now.
01:37:850 (1,2) - Weaken these HDashes a bit please. I'd say x:472 on 1 and x:40 on 2 feels good.

All these next changes should go together:
02:09:125 (1) - A HDash would fit nicely here for the pitch change. Maybe x:176?
02:10:142 (1,2) - HDash to 1 feels nice here, I'd drag these to x:416.
02:11:044 (1,2) - HDash to 1 here feels nice too, drag these to x:464.
02:11:258 (2) - Tilt this a tiny bit more to the right, flow feels better.
02:11:472 (1) - HDash to this feels nice, I'd move it to x:112.

02:14:884 (5) - HDash to this sounds right, x:416?

Alright done ;) Call me back.
Topic Starter
ZiRoX

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Placeholder ;)

Cup
00:28:105 (3) - Not sure about this slider (And the other sliders like this, in the kiai times), because they could lead to very easy drops. Reduced the distance a bit on this kind of patterns
00:31:480 (1) - x:224 feels a lot better on this slider, it felt awkward to hit previously.Fixed with ^

Salad
00:23:230 (2) - A dash here would be nice, move this to x:16, I feel it fits quite nicely here. I prefer it the current way it is, to introduce the rhythm change
00:32:980 (1) - Ctrl+H and move to x:457. A very minor change but it bugs me how it is now. Sure, fixed.
01:09:167 (4) - A dash would be nice here. Maybe x:432? Moved to x:408, didn't want to increase distance to next circle that much
01:12:167 (2) - x:216, just to make sure the player knows to dash here, it's currently possible (Albeit hard) to get this without dashing.I think the current distance already induces dashing

Platter
00:40:105 (3,4) - A dash to 3 feels nice here, whilst maintaining the HDash to 4, so what I would do is move 3 to x:48 and 4 to x:100.It looks really weird, with distance between (3) and (4) become too short
00:42:730 (6) - Imo the hyper to this doesn't really fit. Move this to x:224 to keep a nice dash but getting rid of the HDash. I think it does fit, the drums are a bit stronger
01:02:980 (2) - A dash to this feels better. x:256 plays quite nicely. I didn't really like the way it played, keeping it.
01:14:042 (3) - Dash please for the change in pitch. x:416, maybe? Added a dash, with different positions
02:32:884 (7) - Just a normal dash here feels better than a HDash, in my opinion. I'd move this to x:320. Ok

Rain
00:46:105 (9,10,11) - I think a hyper fits going to 9, so I would stack 9 on top of 11 at x:48, and then maybe move 10 to x:0? Ok
01:21:350 (1) - x:224 please. This HDash feels very strange to play how it is now. Deif the symmetry freak won't approve, and to me it loses some of it's feeling.
01:37:850 (1,2) - Weaken these HDashes a bit please. I'd say x:472 on 1 and x:40 on 2 feels good. Done

All these next changes should go together: Deif's original pattern had hyperdashes. I decided to take them out to not make this pattern too hard on purpose (in its current state, you need like 1-2 dashes and then it's completely walkable).
02:09:125 (1) - A HDash would fit nicely here for the pitch change. Maybe x:176?
02:10:142 (1,2) - HDash to 1 feels nice here, I'd drag these to x:416.
02:11:044 (1,2) - HDash to 1 here feels nice too, drag these to x:464.
02:11:258 (2) - Tilt this a tiny bit more to the right, flow feels better.
02:11:472 (1) - HDash to this feels nice, I'd move it to x:112.

02:14:884 (5) - HDash to this sounds right, x:416? Done

Alright done ;) Call me back.
CSLM
i'm without internet, i'm lost QAQ
ZiRoX Elite Mapper wtf!
graaatz
yo debi ser el primer latino en ganar ese titulo u.u nvm
Loctav
[General]

Too many diverse usage of hitsounds. I know this Drum sampleset is very tempting. but this Whistle+Clap spam on certain sections is really disturbing. You used too many different hitsounds in my opinion, in a way too inconsistent way. Polish it up and slim it down, reconsider your current concept, because right now, my ears are bleeding.

[Salad]

AR6,1 is pointless. Put AR6. No need to fiddle pointlessly with the comma values.

[Platter]

AR7,2? Oh jeez. I would put at least 7,5. Considering that we speed up at some point, 7,2 is a bit less. 7,5 played WAY better for me.
HP6 or 5 - HP5,5 makes either no sense, as you just put this value without any significant effect, unless you want to proof that you don't understand how the difficulty settings work at all. I would put 6.

[Rain]

srsly AR8,3. Do you have some crush on comma values?

02:03:486 (5,6,7,8) - considering the just small gain of note pacing, I find this section a bit too "dashy"? I think, a normal walk pattern with less spacing would suffice here
02:11:472 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - oh, this plays just fine. I just found this underwhelming, considering the speedup. Whereas in the previous point, you had some dashy stuff on a rather calm section, you rather do not want to use any HDashes here? That seems odd.
02:43:759 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I find the transistion between the sharp angles and the jump to 02:44:332 (1) - a bit harsh, compared to the rest and especially compared to the kiai time, which is by nature supposed to be more intense and harsh, but isn't. Especially since the BPM changes already happen at 02:44:134 (5) -
02:45:344 (5,1) - This is quite harsh, too.
Krah
blabla hs
blabla remade all of them
hs diff
osu file format v14

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272,96,159634,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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Topic Starter
ZiRoX

Loctav wrote:

[General]

Too many diverse usage of hitsounds. I know this Drum sampleset is very tempting. but this Whistle+Clap spam on certain sections is really disturbing. You used too many different hitsounds in my opinion, in a way too inconsistent way. Polish it up and slim it down, reconsider your current concept, because right now, my ears are bleeding. Reworked the hitsounding based on Deif's.

[Salad]

AR6,1 is pointless. Put AR6. No need to fiddle pointlessly with the comma values. Done

[Platter]

AR7,2? Oh jeez. I would put at least 7,5. Considering that we speed up at some point, 7,2 is a bit less. 7,5 played WAY better for me.
HP6 or 5 - HP5,5 makes either no sense, as you just put this value without any significant effect, unless you want to proof that you don't understand how the difficulty settings work at all. I would put 6. Both done

[Rain]

srsly AR8,3. Do you have some crush on comma values? Increased AR to 8.5

02:03:486 (5,6,7,8) - considering the just small gain of note pacing, I find this section a bit too "dashy"? I think, a normal walk pattern with less spacing would suffice here Done
02:11:472 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - oh, this plays just fine. I just found this underwhelming, considering the speedup. Whereas in the previous point, you had some dashy stuff on a rather calm section, you rather do not want to use any HDashes here? That seems odd. Increased the distance a bit so, visually, it fits better with the speedup. I don't want to add hyperdashes here, though.
02:43:759 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I find the transistion between the sharp angles and the jump to 02:44:332 (1) - a bit harsh, compared to the rest and especially compared to the kiai time, which is by nature supposed to be more intense and harsh, but isn't. Especially since the BPM changes already happen at 02:44:134 (5) - Reworked this
02:45:344 (5,1) - This is quite harsh, too. Reduced distance on this.
Loctav
clap clap whistle drum whistle drum clap clap
JBHyperion
I am late D:

General Comments
Did a scrutinous check on the "General"-type things and everything checks out - only thing I would like to comment on is if you could reduce the volume on the spinner ends for 01:52:850 (1) and 02:51:580 (1) - the music is literally silent at these parts (so I don't know why the last spinner has clap and whistle...)

Difficulty-specific Comments
Cup
  1. 00:39:917 (2) - I get that you're following the drums, but the synth sound on the white tick 1/2 later is so much more prominent - I feel this circle would be better here at around x-208
  2. 00:45:917 (3) - ^ and maintain position
  3. 01:10:105 - I assume this is intentionally skipped since it's not a drum sound and gives the player a pause after the denser section at 01:05:230 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5)
  4. 01:40:475 (2,1) - I think there should be more spacing here to emphasise the downbeat - a weaker sound at 01:42:350 (1) has 1.13x DS from the previous note, which I feel you should at least match here - I'd move (1) to x-376 and rotate the tail about 15 degrees
  5. 02:30:259 (1) - I just though you should know that I sneezed whilst testplaying and missed this note - it's annoying to catch and you should remove it :P

Salad
  1. 01:46:850 (1,2) - What sound are these mapping? (2) starts at 01:47:600 where there's no prominent sound, so I would move it back by 1/2 to 01:47:412 for the start of the second synth sound and the snare drum sound, and then add a circle at 01:47:975 (3) where (2) previously ended
  2. 02:13:571 (5,1) - The spacing feels a tiny bit awkward here to me - it's considerably bigger than the spacing for similar notes such as 02:11:472 (2,1) and 02:15:071 (5,1) - I'd move 02:13:384 (4,5) to x-384
  3. 02:17:415 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - Starting the stream on a blue tick feels weird to me considering the blue tick isn't particularly prominent compared to the surrounding notes - I'd either add a circle at 02:17:321 or remove 02:17:415 (4) and start on the white tick at 02:17:509
  4. 02:23:040 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Here it actually fits because (2) is more prominent than both the surrounding 1/4 beats
  5. 02:23:884 (8,9) - Sure (9) is faint, but I'd have included at least a little movement here...
  6. 02:35:696 (3) - I'd replace this with a 1/2 slider, since the synth sound on the white tick is too prominent to leave unmapped in my opinion

Platter
  1. 01:37:850 (1,2) - I don't really feel the hyper is necessary here, but if you want to keep it, could angle it slightly less? Either move to x-172, or rotate tail 15 degrees anticlockwise
  2. 01:52:100 (9) - NC here please, this stream is really long and the fruit stacks up with potential to obscure some fruit in the second half of the stream and spinner

Collab Rain
Just want to doublecheck that this diff name is allowed? The announcement that went out when MBC#10 was announced said:
Difficulty names must only be the name of the respective difficulty, and nothing else. No ztrot’s Hard or anything comparable.
  1. 01:20:007 (1) - Nice slider art ;)
  2. Nothing else to say really, I'm happy with the map as it is \o/

That's literally everything, feel free to call me back.
Topic Starter
ZiRoX

JBHyperion wrote:

I am late D:

General Comments
Did a scrutinous check on the "General"-type things and everything checks out - only thing I would like to comment on is if you could reduce the volume on the spinner ends for 01:52:850 (1) and 02:51:580 (1) - the music is literally silent at these parts (so I don't know why the last spinner has clap and whistle...) Regarding the first one, I added green lines to decrease volume each 1/1, following the fade out a bit. The second one is fine (at least the volume), there's that sound at 02:53:932 -. Removed the whistle + clap for this one, though.

Difficulty-specific Comments
Cup
  1. 00:39:917 (2) - I get that you're following the drums, but the synth sound on the white tick 1/2 later is so much more prominent - I feel this circle would be better here at around x-208 It feels really weird ignoring that drum ;_;
  2. 00:45:917 (3) - ^ and maintain position Yeah, this one is fine, changed.
  3. 01:10:105 - I assume this is intentionally skipped since it's not a drum sound and gives the player a pause after the denser section at 01:05:230 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) Yeah, both 01:10:105 - and 01:13:105 - are intentionally skipped.
  4. 01:40:475 (2,1) - I think there should be more spacing here to emphasise the downbeat - a weaker sound at 01:42:350 (1) has 1.13x DS from the previous note, which I feel you should at least match here - I'd move (1) to x-376 and rotate the tail about 15 degrees Done
  5. 02:30:259 (1) - I just though you should know that I sneezed whilst testplaying and missed this note - it's annoying to catch and you should remove it :PLOL

Salad
  1. 01:46:850 (1,2) - What sound are these mapping? (2) starts at 01:47:600 where there's no prominent sound, so I would move it back by 1/2 to 01:47:412 for the start of the second synth sound and the snare drum sound, and then add a circle at 01:47:975 (3) where (2) previously ended They are mapped to a trumpet (or something like that) that's on the background. I made it like this so each diff could have a different focus on this part, increasing the density (i.e. Cup focus on 3/2 drums, Salad on 1/1 trumpet, Platter on 1/2 sounds and Rain on 1/4 sounds)
  2. 02:13:571 (5,1) - The spacing feels a tiny bit awkward here to me - it's considerably bigger than the spacing for similar notes such as 02:11:472 (2,1) and 02:15:071 (5,1) - I'd move 02:13:384 (4,5) to x-384 Fixed
  3. 02:17:415 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - Starting the stream on a blue tick feels weird to me considering the blue tick isn't particularly prominent compared to the surrounding notes - I'd either add a circle at 02:17:321 or remove 02:17:415 (4) and start on the white tick at 02:17:509 Pending - gonna talk about this on PM
  4. 02:23:040 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Here it actually fits because (2) is more prominent than both the surrounding 1/4 beats
  5. 02:23:884 (8,9) - Sure (9) is faint, but I'd have included at least a little movement here... Ok, ok~
  6. 02:35:696 (3) - I'd replace this with a 1/2 slider, since the synth sound on the white tick is too prominent to leave unmapped in my opinionI prefer to leave it out, both for consistency and for focus on the drums.

Platter
  1. 01:37:850 (1,2) - I don't really feel the hyper is necessary here, but if you want to keep it, could angle it slightly less? Either move to x-172, or rotate tail 15 degrees anticlockwise Rotated
  2. 01:52:100 (9) - NC here please, this stream is really long and the fruit stacks up with potential to obscure some fruit in the second half of the stream and spinner Woops, fixed

Collab Rain
Just want to doublecheck that this diff name is allowed? The announcement that went out when MBC#10 was announced said:
Difficulty names must only be the name of the respective difficulty, and nothing else. No ztrot’s Hard or anything comparable.
Asked ztrot about this, it's fine (I think that applies for judgement stage to avoid bias), here's the log:
2015-08-06 19:02 ZiRoX: yo
2015-08-06 19:02 ZiRoX: idk if Deif asked
2015-08-06 19:03 ZiRoX: but the Rain has contributions from him
2015-08-06 19:05 ZiRoX: so we're wondering if it's possible to name it Collab Rain or something
2015-08-06 19:05 ztrot: yeah
2015-08-06 19:05 ZiRoX: ok, nice!
2015-08-06 19:05 ztrot: do what you need to give proper credit
  1. 01:20:007 (1) - Nice slider art ;) Pro Dief
  2. Nothing else to say really, I'm happy with the map as it is \o/

That's literally everything, feel free to call me back.
Thanks for the check
JBHyperion
Went through a few things in PM with ZiRoX and I'm happy to go forward with this, so here ya go!

Re-Bubbled~
MBomb
foresight is for lemons

Salad
00:20:980 (1,2,3) - Move this to x:80, for a nice fitting dash to 1.
01:09:167 (4) - x:420 (:^)) for a nice fitting dash here.

Platter
00:20:980 (1,2,3) - x:480, a dash to 1 would be nice for the music (I swear I've said this before :^))

Collab Rain
No comments except I REALLY THINK HYPERS WOULD FIT AT 02:08:580 (1) - SECTION ;W;

oh wait nvm more adding hypers
02:48:389 (1) - Move this to x:64, a hyper would fit nicely here.

call me back for qualify i guess
Topic Starter
ZiRoX
Stuff on Salad and Platter applied, on Rain I prefer not to add that HDash, because, if I accepted that, an hyperdash on 02:48:928 (3,1) - and on 02:49:821 (3,1) - would also fit and I don't want that many hyperdashes.
MBomb
b8ed (I don't sleep, loser ;) )
MBomb
Double post whoops

(Meaning behind that post: I pretended to be asleep for the qualify time :^))
Want_old_2

Ar8.3 wat
Topic Starter
ZiRoX

Frostmourne wrote:


Ar8.3 wat
Something went wrong in some part, lol
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