monstrata wrote:

Rule: The minimum draining (play) time for a map must be 30 seconds.
Guideline: If the potential drain time for a song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining (play) time for the map must be 1 minute.

Wafu wrote:

monstrata wrote:

Rule: The minimum draining (play) time for a map must be 30 seconds.
Guideline: If the potential drain time for a song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining (play) time for the map must be 1 minute.

But, why do we need to make 2 things, just make a rule that is providing an exception, potential also is not the right word imo, that would cause people asking whether they can have song less than minute or not. Potential could mean remix, lowered BPM or loop.

The minimum draining time for a map must be 30 seconds. If original version of the song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining time for the map must be 1 minute with an exception of official cuts.

Official cuts = i.e. TV Size. Short Ver. provided by artist

Wafu wrote:

It applies only to cuts made by mapper. "with an exception of official cuts"

Mercurial wrote:

Wafu wrote:

It applies only to cuts made by mapper. "with an exception of official cuts"

Finally someone gets it.

Wafu wrote:

It applies only to cuts made by mapper. "with an exception of official cuts"

Snaggletooth wrote:

How about:

The minimum draining (play) time for a map must be 30 seconds. If the song was custom cut by the mapper, the minimum draining (play) time must exceed 1 minute. This is to prevent mappers from excessively and unreasonably cut songs and preventing a full experience, while
still allowing the option to shorten songs that have an overly repetitive beat/tune to prevent boredom while playing and mapping.

tuddster wrote:

I don't get how someone can look at that poll and conclude that 60s or less maps are everyone's least favorite and they should be unranked.

Snaggletooth wrote:

The minimum draining (play) time for a map must be 30 seconds. If the song was custom cut by the mapper, the minimum draining (play) time must exceed 1 minute. This is to prevent mappers from excessively and unreasonably cut songs and preventing a full experience, while
still allowing the option to shorten songs that have an overly repetitive beat/tune to prevent boredom while playing and mapping.

Mercurial wrote:

Snaggletooth wrote:

How about:

The minimum draining (play) time for a map must be 30 seconds. If the song was custom cut by the mapper, the minimum draining (play) time must exceed 1 minute. This is to prevent mappers from excessively and unreasonably cut songs and preventing a full experience, while
still allowing the option to shorten songs that have an overly repetitive beat/tune to prevent boredom while playing and mapping.

Yes and no.

Yes for what you said.

No for "Yeah, I've got this sweet song I do want to map but I don't to spend much time on it. Uhm, great idea! What about cutting off this 2:15 song to 1 minute or so? It's perfect!"

I'm okay with the "85% of the song mapped" option.

tuddster wrote:

I don't get how someone can look at that poll and conclude that 60s or less maps are everyone's least favorite and they should be unranked.

"Hur dur, I hate short maps because they bring nothing to the game because Muh opinions > your opinions".

That kind of people.

Wafu wrote:

This is almost the same thing I said, just longer and more complicated because it allows another exception.

If the cut was officially used somewhere, you are allowed to use it under 1 minute - That means any cut which were done by mapper or other person (this only talks about mapper, which is pretty questionable and there would soon be people making soundcloud, cutting it and uploading it as some another artist with "no, I did not cut it, it is some other person's cut".

The minimum draining time for a map must be 30 seconds. If original version of the song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining time for the map must be 1 minute with an exception of official cuts.

Was covering this as well. Official cut = exactly the same song you are mapping, but shortened by artist or someone else to use it in official source. This still allows you to cut maps on yourself if it will be longer than 1 minute. If there is a problem for someone to understand that it is equal to your wording, just simpler, the problem is on the other side, this is as obvious as it just could be.

Nevertheless mapping TV Size versions and so on is a bit lazy, but might have reasons - Including video, thus presenting the anime a little, but cutting them manually is just lazy and I did never see a reason to cut it unless there were really unmappable parts.

Snaggletooth wrote:

Wafu wrote:

This is almost the same thing I said, just longer and more complicated because it allows another exception.

If the cut was officially used somewhere, you are allowed to use it under 1 minute - That means any cut which were done by mapper or other person (this only talks about mapper, which is pretty questionable and there would soon be people making soundcloud, cutting it and uploading it as some another artist with "no, I did not cut it, it is some other person's cut".

The minimum draining time for a map must be 30 seconds. If original version of the song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining time for the map must be 1 minute with an exception of official cuts.

Was covering this as well. Official cut = exactly the same song you are mapping, but shortened by artist or someone else to use it in official source. This still allows you to cut maps on yourself if it will be longer than 1 minute. If there is a problem for someone to understand that it is equal to your wording, just simpler, the problem is on the other side, this is as obvious as it just could be.

Nevertheless mapping TV Size versions and so on is a bit lazy, but might have reasons - Including video, thus presenting the anime a little, but cutting them manually is just lazy and I did never see a reason to cut it unless there were really unmappable parts.

Then I really think the word 'cut' is what strikes me odd here. I don't disagree with you, I think I misunderstood or
perhaps we misunderstood eachother.
When you say 'officially cut' songs, I think about TV sizes. I think about intros, I wanted to adress
short songs that have an intro, a vers, chourse and an outro in just above one minute. I thought that these
exceptionally short and full songs would be banned with this rule.

Makoa wrote:

has there been a single comment anywhere yet in support of this exact rule?

Lanturn wrote:

Maps don't even get abused enough to need this "1 minute cut" rule thing. It's pretty pointless. Just let mappers map what they want. A guideline at best, but still pointless.

Also, back on topic. No to the 1 minute rule that was originally proposed, and definitely no to this new one that you guys kinda took over the thread with.

Wafu wrote:

Snaggletooth wrote:

The minimum draining (play) time for a map must be 30 seconds. If the song was custom cut by the mapper, the minimum draining (play) time must exceed 1 minute. This is to prevent mappers from excessively and unreasonably cut songs and preventing a full experience, while
still allowing the option to shorten songs that have an overly repetitive beat/tune to prevent boredom while playing and mapping.

This is almost the same thing I said, ...

The minimum draining time for a map must be 30 seconds. If original version of the song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining time for the map must be 1 minute with an exception of official cuts.

Was covering this as well. Official cut = exactly the same song you are mapping, but shortened by artist or someone else to use it in official source. This still allows you to cut maps on yourself if it will be longer than 1 minute. If there is a problem for someone to understand that it is equal to your wording, just simpler, the problem is on the other side, this is as obvious as it just could be.

Wafu wrote:

... it allows another exception.

If the cut was officially used somewhere, you are allowed to use it under 1 minute - That means any cut which were done by mapper or other person (this only talks about mapper, which is pretty questionable and there would soon be people making soundcloud, cutting it and uploading it as some another artist with "no, I did not cut it, it is some other person's cut".

Wafu wrote:

Official non-cuts are covered in my wording. There is said that the 1-minute applies only if official version is longer than 1 minute. That means if opening is 40 second long as a full version, it is excluded from 1 minute rule, ...

Wafu wrote:

Your wording actually conflicts with other rule. That is if less than 80% of mp3 is unused, you have to cut it. If original was shorter than one minute, you couldn't fulfill both rules. ...

DakeDekaane wrote:

I'd say we better keep the rule add it is, and let modders, Nominators and QAT to encourage mapping songs with a proper length, in case of the ridiculous cuts.

DakeDekaane wrote:

You guys are overthinking a lot about this with ambiguous wordings.

I'd say we better keep the rule add it is, and let modders, Nominators and QAT to encourage mapping songs with a proper length, in case of the ridiculous cuts.

Regraz wrote:

Avoiding ridiculous cuts is really a great idea. It shows the respect of the composer and the responsibility as a mapper or a member of the community.
There're maps I saw in my playing osu! that, some mappers simply cut the chorus part of a song and map it. This is not good imo. It's showing you are too lazy (maybe). At least you should map the first verse and chorus together ;w;

Crimmi wrote:

With a recently ranked map at an disappointing length of :45 seconds, and the excuse of "being to tired to map the whole thing" I think this should be a rule to avoid the flood, next thing you know, there might be a cut version of Dopamine to 0:40 seconds for shits and giggles (I will commit hara-kiri if I see that) because "Hurr durr, BN'z don't check long maps because BN "x" doesn't check 4 min, 8 diff mapsets." But if you can't can't map a long 4 minute song, at least cut to a game wise length like what I did with SOUND HOLIC feat. Mayumi Morinaga - Yukihana -SEKKA- for example (which an incredible 5:18 cut to 1:55). Sorry if I get anything wrong, it's my first time speaking out seriously on the forums and I don't want to see the shit fly with drama with people using This as an excuse. Case in point: "If you're going to make a cut, make it a reasonable cut"

Mercurial wrote:

You're totally right, people do cut songs because they're lazy as fuck and they just don't care about the song, they just want a ranked map going for them.

As I said before, such practices should be avoided and punished if needed.

XinCrin wrote:

I agree with this but if the full song is around 40 seconds?.

XinCrin wrote:

I agree with this but if the full song is around 40 seconds?.

PyaKura wrote:

I thought it was agreed that songs such as Granat which are shorter than 1 minute are fine.

XinCrin wrote:

I agree with this but if the full song is around 40 seconds?.

Bonsai wrote:

XinCrin wrote:

I agree with this but if the full song is around 40 seconds?.

I'd like to point out that the proposal has been changed many posts ago, and the exact wording of this new proposal has already been discussed on the last page too (without any response from staff's side yet?), so I'd advise to read through all of that before reposting opinions here that have already been posted many times.
As a side note, I wonder why this thread hasn't been locked yet, since there is no real discussion going on anymore

B1rd wrote:

There shouldn't be a rule that disallows cuts as it would prevent some good maps from being ranked

PyaKura wrote:

B1rd wrote:

There shouldn't be a rule that disallows cuts as it would prevent some good maps from being ranked

I'm really not sure about that. Well I know I'd hate it if a song was cut exclusively because a certain part of the song is cool and the rest is not.

ZiRoX wrote:

Nwolf wrote:

Maybe add a rule that disallows cutting songs too much, like cutting a song should not result it being shorter than 90 seconds. I think that's a bigger problem than 30-60 sec maps in general

Agree with this. If the song is <1 min, let it be, that's the way it is. But if the song is longer, then cut versions should be 1 min or longer. I've seen cases where mappers cut the kiai time from a song and make an entire mapset out of it and it's sickening.

DakeDekaane wrote:

As much as I hate ridiculously short maps, if that's how the song is, then yes, they're free to go ahead. If it's a blatant lazy ass cut, please don't even try, you're consuming time that could be used on maps that truly deserve it.

PS: If you're going to map short songs, please map stuff worth of it.